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[jasondefaoite]

I know. What's your point?

By the way, in case you haven't noticed that $499 digital edition comes with 1.6 gigabytes of SSD.

Are you saying the optical drive version has a 1.6 TB drive also? Because the point is the DE and FE have the same capacity.
Any theory which starts out saying there is a difference in the drive size between the models at launch isn't something worth considering.

 

[Delpij]

Anyone remember them using that 3rd code name?

Series Z?

 

[DaGwaphics]

Are you saying the optical drive version has a 1.6 TB drive also? Because the point is the DE and FE have the same capacity.
Any theory which starts out saying there is a difference in the drive size between the models at launch isn't something worth considering.

Would be kind of a slap in the face to buyers of the PS5 (Disk Edition), tbh. Games have to be installed regardless of being on disk or not, so it's not like having the drive reduces the need for disk space.

 

[3liteDragon]

Sony was probably hoping to hit that 599 price point. Now let's see how they shift. They may have bit themselves in the foot a little with the DE, as the perception will be that is the lower end model, yet being virtually the same cost, they can't sell it for much less.

Sony Is Struggling With PlayStation 5 Price Due to Costly Parts

Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.

www.bloomberg.com

Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.

You would have to be crazy if you actually think Sony was really aiming for a $599 price point lol. What that quote from the article tells me is that they were aiming for a $399 price point in the beginning but DRAM and NAND prices went up due to high demand from other companies, pushing PS5’s BOM cost to $450.

My prediction:
PS5 Standard Edition - $499 or $450 (most likely $499 imo)
PS5 Digital Edition - $399 (I don’t think they’re hitting $350 with DE, that’s just fucking crazy)

 

[sandkiller]

Series H

*H is for Handheld

 

[megreotsugua]

Are you saying the optical drive version has a 1.6 TB drive also? Because the point is the DE and FE have the same capacity.
Any theory which starts out saying there is a difference in the drive size between the models at launch isn't something worth considering.

No my theory is that the blu-ray has only 825GB of SSD while the DE has double that.

It's a matter of putting double density NAND chips in there. It's trivial. Same motherboard, same lay-out same apu, same everything except the casing and the NAND chips density.

 

[Neo Blaster]

No expansion? They'd be losing expansion sales that way.

Isn't the expansion port on the back? Have they showed the back?

 

[jasondefaoite]

Series Z?

Series E. For obvious reasons.

 

[jasondefaoite]

No my theory is that the blu-ray has only 825GB of SSD while the DE has double that.

It's a matter of putting double density NAND chips in there. It's trivial. Same motherboard, same lay-out same apu, same everything except the casing and the NAND chips density.

Repeat. Sony has already said the only difference between the models is the optical drive. So, your theory is wrong. That was my point.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Series E. For obvious reasons.

I guess it would need to be $399 to find a fitting spot in the lineup. Not sure what that would bring to the table.

 

[Sethbacca]

Anyone remember them using that 3rd code name?

Sounds familiar from a couple thousand pages ago. I'm going to assume it's a streaming only xcloud stick.

Im dubbing it Series C for Cloud

 

[kyliethicc]

Since last year I was already calling a disc-less version that is cheaper and I totally get why.

But today I offer an alternative theory on pricing.

Blu-ray edition - $399
Digital 1.6GB - $499

• Sony must be aware that those who are budget-conscious will still want to have the physical disc option.
• Mom and pop buying their kids a next-gen console will not find the xbox series s or digital edition PS5 at the local game retailers because they will refuse to carry them.
• The blu-ray will have more retail exposure which is not too important for now (due to Covid-19) but will be in the future.
• Yes PSN and digital consumption of games is growing but it doesn't mean that the majority of gamers are abandoning physical discs. It's just that more gamers have been buying through the digital store in addition to physical discs.
• Blu-ray edition will still allow borrowing of games between friends, cousins, and classmates. Think about the children!

No chance, and both PS5s have 825 GB SSDs.

You're crazy if you think Sony would ever sell a digital only model for more than the regular PS5.

 

[megreotsugua]

Repeat. Sony has already said the only difference between the models is the optical drive. So, your theory is wrong. That was my point.

Can you provide the link where they said that?

 

[Vae_Victis]

24k Gold Playstation 5 | Truly Exquisite | London, UK

The brand new, long awaited Sony Playstation 5 just got even more better. Truly Exquisite bring you a special version now available in 24K Gold, Platinum & 18K Rose Gold. Contact us to find out more.

www.trulyexquisite.co.uk

Uh... £100 difference between all disk and digital editions... interesting.

 

[Hendrick's]

24k Gold Playstation 5 | Truly Exquisite | London, UK

The brand new, long awaited Sony Playstation 5 just got even more better. Truly Exquisite bring you a special version now available in 24K Gold, Platinum & 18K Rose Gold. Contact us to find out more.

www.trulyexquisite.co.uk

That's one way to make a garish console look even more garish. I can't imaging anyone would want that.

Sony Is Struggling With PlayStation 5 Price Due to Costly Parts

Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.

www.bloomberg.com

You would have to be crazy if you actually think Sony was really aiming for a $599 price point lol. What that quote from the article tells me is that they were aiming for a $399 price point in the beginning but DRAM and NAND prices went up due to high demand from other companies, pushing PS5’s BOM cost to $450.

My prediction:
PS5 Standard Edition - $499 or $450
PS5 Digital Edition - $399 (I don’t think they’re hitting $350 with DE, that’s just fucking crazy)

BOM cost isn't total cost though. There is still packaging, logistics, marketing, and a bunch of other items involved. If Sony hope to make a profit from console sales, and they surely do, they are going to have to sell at more than 499.

 

[jasondefaoite]

Can you provide the link where they said that?

No need. You already know.

 

[Finem Orientis]

Can you provide the link where they said that?

So this is the answer to that need. It’s a discless version [of PS5]. It’s important to note that, it’s essentially the same product. You’re not talking about any change to features, or any change to power. It’s the same product, with slight cosmetic differences, and no disc drive. So it’s all digital.

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/0...ing-deeper-into-yesterdays-ps5-announcements/

 

[MasterCornholio]

That's one way to make a garish console look even more garish. I can't imaging anyone would want that.

BOM cost isn't total cost though. There is still packaging, logistics, marketing, and a bunch of other items involved. If Sony hope to make a profit from console sales, and they surely do, they are going to have to sell at more than 499.

Or they can sell it at a slight loss and price match the XSX since both BOMs are almost the same. They can easily make up the loss with software sales which Sony is good at selling.

 

[XO_o]

 

[megreotsugua]

No need. You already know.

PS5 DE and PS5 PE are the same product. As opposed to the xbox strategy, the only difference between two PS5 version is the fact that one has disc drive and the other does not.

That doesn't mean that Sony can't or won't offer different SSD sizes. Because that is trivial.

 

[Bojanglez]

Anyone remember them using that 3rd code name?

What would it be, a streaming only box or dongle?

 

[Arkam]

Good chuckle. I look forward to the Series S memes...cuz thats just what we do. I can see two of them as turntables with a DJ and I can see one being carried as a boombox on someone's shoulder in the 1980s.

 

[LiquidRex]

Just think if you could customise the PS5 with something like this

 

[jasondefaoite]

Sony Is Struggling With PlayStation 5 Price Due to Costly Parts

Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.

www.bloomberg.com

You would have to be crazy if you actually think Sony was really aiming for a $599 price point lol. What that quote from the article tells me is that they were aiming for a $399 price point in the beginning but DRAM and NAND prices went up due to high demand from other companies, pushing PS5’s BOM cost to $450.

My prediction:
PS5 Standard Edition - $499 or $450 (most likely $499 imo)
PS5 Digital Edition - $399 (I don’t think they’re hitting $350 with DE, that’s just fucking crazy)

That Bloomberg story was back in Feb. NAND Flash and DRAM were predicted to have supply issues. While the story was written about the PS5, it would also apply to Xbox.

But now in August ...

https://www.techspot.com/news/86413-ram-ssd-prices-soon-plummet-due-oversupply-weak.html

 

[Thirty7ven]

"very little waves"

I know you type from another dimension but the most it’s driving is speculation around the PS5 price.

 

[megreotsugua]

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/0...ing-deeper-into-yesterdays-ps5-announcements/

Thanks. Btw for the record, I have been calling $399 DE and $499 PE since last year. That was my pricing prior to to any reveal made by Sony.

With that said, that quote from PS blog does not state in absolute terms that both versions will have the same amount of SSD. It was making an argument in comparison to xbox strategy where the the two versions differ in power and features.

 

[3liteDragon]

That's one way to make a garish console look even more garish. I can't imaging anyone would want that.

BOM cost isn't total cost though. There is still packaging, logistics, marketing, and a bunch of other items involved. If Sony hope to make a profit from console sales, and they surely do, they are going to have to sell at more than 499.

They’re in a much better position than they were in 2013 to take a slight loss on every unit they sold. PS4’s BOM was $381 and it was sold with a RRP of US$399, meaning they 100% took a hit/loss on packaging, logistics and retailer cuts. Now they have services like PS Plus and PSNow which have been making shit tons of money for them. I’m pretty sure they can afford to take a slight hit on price here by going with a $499 price tag. Plus, you’ll make that money back much faster if your product has very high demand and you’re also confident that it’s gonna sell out within a short amount of time.

Oh wait...

Sony Boosting Output of PlayStation 5 to Meet Surge in Demand

Sony Corp. is roughly doubling its PlayStation 5 production to 10 million units this year as it sees the prolonged effects of the Covid-19 pandemic boosting demand for gaming, according to people familiar with its plans.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[jasondefaoite]

PS5 DE and PS5 PE are the same product. As opposed to the xbox strategy, the only difference between two PS5 version is the fact that one has disc drive and the other does not.

That doesn't mean that Sony can't or won't offer different SSD sizes. Because that is trivial.

That's exactly what it means.

 

[Ramz87]

PS5 w/disk drive £449
PS5 DE £349

 

[sinnergy]

Series X at 399 would melt the internet . Only I wish I could witness this !

 

[Codexer]

 

[roops67]

This joke is only funny for those that don’t understand the difference between RDNA2 and Xbox one X TFLOPS

Which makes it even the more FuNnY!!!

So, please explain what IS the difference?!

Hint, it will be for the same reason why you can't compare XSX against PS5 TFLOPS!

Big hint, it's all got to do with scheduling and efficiency

 

[Kagero]

Wait! What's this about?

 

[LiquidRex]

So the PS5 can be wall mounted

 

[xacto]

I can't believe how ugly that thing is, OMG.

MS got it right with the XB One S and the X but then they come up with THAT? WTF

Aside from the huge industrial ash tray, enter the THE SPEAKER.

 

[megreotsugua]

Series X at 399 would melt the internet . Only I wish I could witness this !

Do it Microsoft! Sony's hand will be forced to make PS5 standard edition at $399.

 

[3liteDragon]

Twitter header change...

 

[xacto]

Also funny how Microsoft have revealed the specs of XSS but not the TF....

They've been trying for a while now to extricate themselves from the TF narrative. Go figure, how all changes...

 

[kyliethicc]

PS5 DE and PS5 PE are the same product. As opposed to the xbox strategy, the only difference between two PS5 version is the fact that one has disc drive and the other does not.

That doesn't mean that Sony can't or won't offer different SSD sizes. Because that is trivial.

They have said they will not. You're wrong.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Sony Is Struggling With PlayStation 5 Price Due to Costly Parts

Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.

www.bloomberg.com

You would have to be crazy if you actually think Sony was really aiming for a $599 price point lol. What that quote from the article tells me is that they were aiming for a $399 price point in the beginning but DRAM and NAND prices went up due to high demand from other companies, pushing PS5’s BOM cost to $450.

My prediction:
PS5 Standard Edition - $499 or $450 (most likely $499 imo)
PS5 Digital Edition - $399 (I don’t think they’re hitting $350 with DE, that’s just fucking crazy)

It's funny, if it pushed the BoM to $450 it means the BoM was less than that, probably aiming at $399 with a small loss just like the PS4. Then a bigger loss (not so much bigger because they'd ditch the BR drive) on the DE, but with a bigger return on digital sales...

I'm still betting $499 PS5 and $399 PS5 DE, but it would be funny to see $399/$299.

 

[jasondefaoite]

<snip>

 

[MasterCornholio]

Twitter header change...

Did he just sneak in the character model for Kratos in the next GoW game?

 

[megreotsugua]

They have said they will not. You're wrong.

Where did they say that?

 

[3liteDragon]

Did he just sneak in the character model for Kratos in the next GoW game?

Can’t really tell from the back, but probably just the PS4 model.

 

[kyliethicc]

Where did they say that?

"What's the difference between the all-digital PS5 and the standard one? Obviously there's a disc, but are you focusing on more storage?"

"As you saw, there is a small difference in the form factor of the two consoles. I'm sure you also observed, the basic design aesthetic is consistent between them. So there is that and the fact that the digital edition does not have a disk drive. That is it. Other than that, they are identical products."

- Jim Ryan on PS5, via Cnet

Sony's PS5 design is 'bold, daring and future facing," PlayStation CEO says

The PlayStation head, in an interview with CNET, discusses the new PS5 design, launch games like Spider-Man, and pre-orders.

www.cnet.com

"You’re not talking about any change to features, or any change to power. It’s the same product, with slight cosmetic differences, and no disc drive. So it’s all digital."

- Eric Lempel on PS5, via PS Blog

Play Has No Limits: Digging deeper into yesterday’s PS5 announcements

Get more insight into yesterday's PS5 announcements from Eric Lempel, PlayStation's Head of Global Marketing and Consumer Experience.

blog.playstation.com

SAME consoles. Just a disc drive or not. That's it. This has been covered for months.

 

[T-Cake]

I thought Edinburgh was the codename for the XSS devkit, like Dante is the codename for the XSX devkit?

 

[FunkMiller]

Twitter header change...

If Sony's plan is to counter every Microsoft announcement about hardware with one about games, this is going to turn into a bloodbath.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Did he just sneak in the character model for Kratos in the next GoW game?

No. I guess he just put Kratos because people were speculating he wasn't going to direct the next GoW.

 

[SSfox]

My thoughts on XSS, design wise it looks ugly AF but i think would look better in black color. The console could be interesting in 2 years once MS will release their exclusives *without the Craig Effect*, looking to Initiative game, Fable and Ovwed, games that has most potential imo.

 

[sinnergy]

My thoughts on XSX, design wise it looks ugly AF but i think would look better in black color. The console could be interesting in 2 years once MS will release their exclusives *without the Craig Effect*, looking to Initiative game, Fable and Ovwed, games that has most potential imo.

It has always been a long term plan