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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Not gonna lie. I’m more hyped about the U.I. more than anything.

It's going to be fast as hell with that I/O.

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chonga

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are you guys even for real?


so one dude throws out "41mil" and I correct him, saying its 50m, and you try to prove that I am wrong? By showing what? over 50milion? FFS get a grip!

And for what little its worth, YOU are wrong also, and for the hundredth time too!
Not only Niko Part. publicly referenced the 50+ million at least a month earlier than what you show here, but I already said there were investor meetings before Christmas 2019 where this number was discussed as achieved.

you guys are something else!!
Investor estimates are not always the best. Either way if we can now conclude that AMD's numbers weren't the best measure and the Xbox numbers are indeed a lot higher all it does it make it even more concerning because it would boost the current market share and vs. the poll would end up representing a fall instead of a rise.
 

Alex Scott

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And companies prefer not to use $50 price points, like $350 450 550 etc. They always prefer ending on 99 than 49.
The absolute best case for PLAYSTATION IS 350$ for DE and 500$ for Physical.
Sony should do whatever they possible can to reach this number either by making the controllers 80$ and selling other accessories. This will also make XBOX DOA. And publishers and other gaming companies can guarantee their sales on PS5 will be great with high profit margin. And it will also help SONY to make exclusive deals easier.
 

kyliethicc

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The absolute best case for PLAYSTATION IS 350$ for DE and 500$ for Physical.
Sony should do whatever they possible can to reach this number either by making the controllers 80$ and selling other accessories. This will also make XBOX DOA. And publishers and other gaming companies can guarantee their sales on PS5 will be great with high profit margin. And it will also help SONY to make exclusive deals easier.
PS5 DE at $400 and the Series S is a terrible value.
 

Lysandros

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I don't necessarily disagree that the Series S will "hold back development", as at the very least the CPU and SSD are the same specs. CPU and storage speeds was really the biggest major bottleneck in the last gen consoles.

HOWEVER.

The Series S will undoubtedly offer its users a massively gimped experience. The idea that the Series S will offer the same visuals as a Series X, but at 1440p or 1080p instead of the XSX's 4K, is pure bullshit. As I've mentioned before, the smaller GPU and the reduced VRAM will massively neuter texture throughput and geometry throughput, not just the render resolution. Environments will be less complex, with reduced poly counts and more obvious LOD. Texture resolutions will be worse and so on. The kind of gameplay on offer will broadly be the same, but the visuals will be massively neutered and there's no two ways about that.

Both the Series X and PS5 are dramatically faster than the Series S. There will be a noticeable uplift in visual fidelity when moving from the S to the X or PS5. No two ways about it. To some, that might not matter. Its just another thing to think about when putting your games on Xbox.

Also, I think removing the blu-ray drive from the Series S was a mistake. Would have been an amazing cheap 4K blu-ray player with what an extra $20 added to the BOM? It would have made for an amazing cheap all-in-one Backwards Compatability machine to play people's old 360 games. Alas.
I agree for the most part but polygon count is tied to clock speed, 1565 to 1825 Mhz is around 15% of difference, so i don't see a large deficit there.
 
Investor estimates are not always the best. Either way if we can now conclude that AMD's numbers weren't the best measure and the Xbox numbers are indeed a lot higher all it does it make it even more concerning because it would boost the current market share and vs. the poll would end up representing a fall instead of a rise.
Yes, I know, KEEP BEING CONCERNED :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Problem is I can't relate to other countries, here I've seen more Ferraris than xboxes, extremely serious. They are available if you wanna buy any, and much cheaper than PS4 as X1X was sold for like $260 at some point, cheaper than PS4 Slim and Switch Lite. My brother bought a PS4 Pro for his sons and like 2-3 games and they don't have PS Plus so they play fortnite online all the time for free. Also the new COD will have free multiplayer on PS4/PS5 up to 20 players mode. This is a VERY major advantage for PS over xbox that has everything locked behind a paywall.
Problem is when we each stick to our fishbowl -all of us- usually we don't have a clue what's going on in the entire ocean.
I mean, I believe that in your country xbox is the devil, but...
what if I told you that some of your favorite first party sony devs are using and enjoying the GAME PASS VALUE? :messenger_beaming:
 

Bo_Hazem

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Problem is when we each stick to our fishbowl -all of us- usually we don't have a clue what's going on in the entire ocean.
I mean, I believe that in your country xbox is the devil, but...
what if I told you that some of your favorite first party sony devs are using and enjoying the GAME PASS VALUE? :messenger_beaming:

I'm serious though, If you give me Gamepass today for free, I won't even play a game there. It's either I've already played them all day one, or the overwhelming majority are crap games. Cloud gaming in general is shit, but PS Now has much better games on it, and still won't even bother to play any of them. Some people like it? Good for them.
 
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I'm serious though, If you give me Gamepass today for free, I won't even play a game there. It's either I've already played them all day one, or the overwhelming majority are crap games. Cloud gaming in general is shit, but PS Now has much better games on it, and still won't even bother to play any of them. Some people like it? Good for them.
You cant have "played them all", firstly because you are a ps-only guy, and second because maybe you don't know it, but new games actually debut on the service too.
I think its more reasonable to stick to "xbox is the devil" thingy :messenger_beaming:
oh, and again you forgot the ™ in "but PS Now has much better games ™ "
you are getting sloppy my friend ;]
 
I'm serious though, If you give me Gamepass today for free, I won't even play a game there. It's either I've already played them all day one, or the overwhelming majority are crap games. Cloud gaming in general is shit, but PS Now has much better games on it, and still won't even bother to play any of them. Some people like it? Good for them.

Same for stuff like Gold and PS+ games

All they've done is give me a bigger library of games I won't bother to install lol
 
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J_Gamer.exe

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My god if those madmen actually show HFW gameplay our jaws will be on the floor.
That pristine next-gen moment we need.

They already have in snippets I believe and hopefully this puts it to bed.

The likes of VFX Veteran were adamant its was not gameplay but I think its obvious that some shots are just that with the camera zoomed out for cinematic effect and maybe.

BG's already said it was too, a mix of in engine cutscene with gameplay bits, or something like that.

VfX said back in early August... 'HZ2 is definitely a cutscene and so running in the game code @ whatever res and 30FPS. There were no gameplay shots in their demo either.'


Lets see who was on the money here....
 
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Bo_Hazem

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You cant have "played them all", firstly because you are a ps-only guy, and second because maybe you don't know it, but new games actually debut on the service too.
I think its more reasonable to stick to "xbox is the devil" thingy :messenger_beaming:
oh, and again you forgot the ™ in "but PS Now has much better games ™ "
you are getting sloppy my friend ;]

I mean what's there to play and didn't find on PS4? I don't play old games, after buying PS5 I'll wash my hands off the PS4 games. I usually giveaway all my games and console once going to the next one, but can't giveaway digital games, sadly. PS Now you can download games and play them natively, not sure about GamePass.

In general, I would buy whatever game that interests me, don't need a leech like gamepass that sucks my money without me playing any game.

Same for stuff like Gold and PS+ games

All they've done is give me a bigger library of games I won't bother to install lol

Yup, only had very few games on PS Plus that I didn't buy before like Detroit, Rocket League, Shadow of Colossus (Played it on PS2 anyway). The rest are usually already bought or not interested in.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Shambala

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Who the hell preorders a digital title? It's not like they'll run out of downloads. The only reason to preorder a digital game is if there's a discount for doing so, and even then, there'll always be a better sale later. Are people this reckless with their money?
Pre load. The game is already download and ready to play as it releases. It’s the best thing actually.
 

Zzpaff

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right now I'm thinking that sony WISH they had a twin solution like microsoft's.
if you can't see it yet, what microsoft did is going to cost sony some money.
imo they will have to model the price of at least one console between the two xboxes.
in that same business article it was described that there are two opposing forces inside sony: those who want to sell many pieces, and those who want to sell for a profit...
I will probably end up buying both consoles, as I have always done, but I have my predilection in Japan, I would not be exactly excited about a movement like this by Sony, even if it benefited him, give me the good one and later the best one, I no longer conditions the exit to think that in 3 years I will have a machine of almost 20 teraflops that will have to share a catalog with one of 4 ... I think there are many xbox users unhappy right now, biting the bullet .. . And it is that here you do not have to reinvent the wheel, put great games on the table and they will come to you, look at how ps3 started practically dead and how it ended, tying and even exceeding in sales, how did it do it? with subscriptions to one euro? no, with games ..
 
I agree for the most part but polygon count is tied to clock speed, 1565 to 1825 Mhz is around 15% of difference, so i don't see a large deficit there.
Strongly suspect the Series S has only one Shader Engine, verses the 2 on the Series X. Which means its geometry throughput per clock cycle would be half of the Series X. With 15% lower clocks, its less than half than the Series X.

Of course this won't be confirmed until they show us a die shot. But I doubt they'd run with a 2 shader engine approach with only 5WGP (10CU) per shader engine. Would be a very odd configuration.
 

kyliethicc

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I mean what's there to play and didn't find on PS4? I don't play old games, after buying PS5 I'll wash my hands off the PS4 games. I usually giveaway all my games and console once going to the next one, but can't giveaway digital games, sadly. PS Now you can download games and play them natively, not sure about GamePass.

In general, I would buy whatever game that interests me, don't need a leech like gamepass that sucks my money without me playing any game.



Yup, only had very few games on GOLD that I didn't buy before like Detroit, Rocket League, Shadow of Colossus (Played it on PS2 anyway). The rest are usually already bought or not interested in.
Don't forget Fall Guys
 
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Three Jackdaws

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More cryptic tweets from Cory Barlog, this time related to "revenge". My hunch is it will be a storng theme in the God of War sequel, Thor wanted revenege for Kratos murdering his sons and Freya wanting reveng for Kratos killing Baldur.

I definitely see something God of War related happening on the event.

I don't think thats a reach either but dam it if Cory is just trolling lol
 

kyliethicc

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More cryptic tweets from Cory Barlog, this time related to "revenge". My hunch is it will be a storng theme in the God of War sequel, Thor wanted revenege for Kratos murdering his sons and Freya wanting reveng for Kratos killing Baldur.

I definitely see something God of War related happening on the event.

I don't think thats a reach either but dam it if Cory is just trolling lol

Considering its on his twitter, its most likely about politics.
 

ZehDon

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More cryptic tweets from Cory Barlog, this time related to "revenge". My hunch is it will be a storng theme in the God of War sequel, Thor wanted revenege for Kratos murdering his sons and Freya wanting reveng for Kratos killing Baldur.

I definitely see something God of War related happening on the event.

I don't think thats a reach either but dam it if Cory is just trolling lol

If Sony bring a God of War: Ragnarok reveal to their price and release announcement, and drop a USD$399.00 PS5 DE... well, at least Microsoft won't have to worry about being able to manufacture enough stock to meet demand :messenger_fearful:

On the other hand, if they bring a USD$499.00 PS5 DE, a CGI Silent Hill trailer, and a Bugsnax update... riots.
 
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