kyliethicc
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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Personally I don't know any unhappy xbox user with what microsoft has proposed. Instead, I've spoken to few friends that usually dont jump in day1, and S makes it possible for them to do so. And all those getting the X, none was unhappy nor concerned. the contrary.
What happens in this thread is a twisted virtual reality I have to say.
I mean, even for "the games", like you mention.
I see the whole bunch here pissing together on xbox because "oh no, not another forza, fuck this shit! halo has to die! craig crucified! gears of shit, who plays that dumb-ass fuckshit anymore?"
and at the same time, the same people gather in a big circle, and jerk off to what? rachet no.15, the next gran turismo, spiderman expansion, the next horizon, god of war, and even beg and cheer for last generation games to be brought back.
I mean, it really doesnt take a doctorate on psychology to see the craziness going on.
Lastly, about the specific subscription that is gamepass, you are dead wrong here my friend.
its a terrific thing to have, and great value for money.
Having bought waaay more than 400 games on xbone myself, at first I laughed with the concept and though "meh, good for casuals, maybe"
Well its not. it is really a fantastic deal, receiving all first party day1 free of charge, always something drops out of nowhere to test every week, etc etc.
When sony finally copies it -because they will- , then and only then most of the people in this thread will understand. including you ;]
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Jtibh
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BrotherNot yet, should consider it.I usually buy AAA games and rarely touch AA and indies.
I am very picky when it comes to games.
I dont play run of the mill online call of duty destiny erc games.
I like fine dining.
And this game can easely be considered AAA.
The story the graphics the soundtrack...its a gorgeous game .
I want you to trust me on this one.
iamvin22
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You think no one has fucked up so far?
TheGreatWhiteShark
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I agree. not much action going on, so it feels like a sony first party cinematic game, you will like it a lot Βο :ΡρρΡ
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Mr Moose
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kyliethicc
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I have to agree Tom.Now I’m 100% sure PS5 will be not be $399
MasterCornholio
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Now I’m 100% sure PS5 will be not be $399
Because he knows something?
Lunatic_Gamer
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Video just went up on PlayStation’s YouTube channel. I’m fucking hyped as fuck!
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Entroyp
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I’m sure he does.
Lysandros
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Rx 5500 xt which is very similar to XSS (22 CU, minus RT engines) seems to have only one Shader Engine but how does this translate to half polygon throughput exactly, is it because having less rasterizer blocks?
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MasterCornholio
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So 600$-700$ then?
Doesn't make sense why it would be priced so much higher than the XSX.
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Jtibh
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Lots of hide and seek plus puzzles plus some action.
But its the production valeu the story and how it all works well together.
Its a shame to miss out on this. Like you said it fits in perfect with sony first party titles.
Its a solid 14 hour game and also an easy platinum.
I really hope for a sequel it will be an insta buy from me
TheGreatWhiteShark
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to combine this with what I wrote above, this is one game I'd never have thought of buying. buuuut, it dropped on gamepass.
I already agreed with you, it is good.
as for the sequel.... as long as microsoft doesnt pick up asobo soon, you are golden
Entroyp
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Oh no way... more like $449 - $499 or $499 -$549.. any combination of those prices. No more than $549.
MasterCornholio
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They have to hit 499$ with one of the SKUs. There's no way the PS5s BOM is alot higher than the XSXs. I could be wrong about that but I'm not seeing what would inflate the cost so much.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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c'mon guys, don't be cheap! support your favorite company. all this secret sauce we are getting, cant really have it at ps4 2013 price levels, can we? let alone inflation, that price was with a joke cpu and magnetic I/O
ps5 BOM was about four-fitty
xbox about 80 buckos more
BOM is not the total cost though, remember that.
microsoft is eatin' up a lot of loss, for BOTH machines. probably even more on the junior box.
and they have to, if they want to get back anywhere close to where they were.
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Entroyp
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Exactly, that why I lean more to $449-$499. Take a small loss on the BD and a not so big loss on the DE. I would even say sell the BD version for $549 to steer people to buy the DE at $449 to make the big bucks on the PSN store.
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HeisenbergFX4
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MasterCornholio
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That still isn't doom worthy though. I think they will be fine at those price points.
MasterCornholio
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Games Dean
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He doesn't know shit about the PS5 price or preorder/launch date. Virtually no one does.
Edit: Outside of a small group at Sony of course.
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THE:MILKMAN
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I'm not even sure Sony will massively push the DE. They have only talked about it is an option and have otherwise been very low-key about it.
What sort of launch ratios do you guys think they'll do?
What sort of launch ratios do you guys think they'll do?
Kaiserstark
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He know nothing about Sony and i don't see how he will know the price .
Sinthor
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Yeah....what you said is basic sales philosophy...sell a whole mess for LITTLE profit or sell fewer units for MORE profit. Not rocket science. LOL.
If you think MS has somehow forced Sony, the overwhelming market leader in this space, over a barrel, you go ahead, bruh.
But it's pretty obvious Sony had this dual machine setup for as long as MS did. Sony just decided not to try and make a Nintendo competitor box and is doing their own thing. Make no mistake, Microsoft has a serious danger here of having the low end cannibalize their high end market. And GamePass is not strong enough yet on it's own to let them be healthy if that happens.We'll see how it all pans out, of course. Should be interesting. Maybe the market WILL go all in for the low end and forget about 4k graphics and all of that. That would definitely be a major tectonic shift in the market if that happens and if it does, MS should be well positioned.
As things stand right now though...MS is the one in a worse position and that's because of the games. MS has already HAD the lower priced console AND the higher powered one as well and it didn't help them in sales. But markets are funny about having the right COMBINATION of products and goods...who knows...maybe things will change! Should be some good times ahead for gamers even if that DOES happen as it will take at least several years to pan out.
MasterCornholio
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At least we don't have long to find out.
Snowdonhoffen
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Here's what I think we can realistically expect from Wednesday's showcase:
- UI and some of the new features like Activities and the new Create button options.
- Spider-Man Miles Morales gameplay trailer and/or gameplay demo.
- Another Godfall trailer.
- Maybe something COD related,maybe some exclusive content.
- GTA Online on PS5.
- Given how Game Informer got some exclusive coverage for Kena on PS5 this week, maybe they'll show some gameplay of it.
- Demon's Souls, Returnal, Sackboy, Horizon FW, Destruction All Stars and GT7 release dates and/or release windows.
- Surprise big game reveal (God of War? Silent Hill? FFXVI?).
- Console price, release date and pre orders.
Any other ideas?
- UI and some of the new features like Activities and the new Create button options.
- Spider-Man Miles Morales gameplay trailer and/or gameplay demo.
- Another Godfall trailer.
- Maybe something COD related,maybe some exclusive content.
- GTA Online on PS5.
- Given how Game Informer got some exclusive coverage for Kena on PS5 this week, maybe they'll show some gameplay of it.
- Demon's Souls, Returnal, Sackboy, Horizon FW, Destruction All Stars and GT7 release dates and/or release windows.
- Surprise big game reveal (God of War? Silent Hill? FFXVI?).
- Console price, release date and pre orders.
Any other ideas?
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MasterCornholio
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In going to go out on a limb and say something new from Japan Studios. There were rumors that they were working on something.
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kyliethicc
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He knows nothing about PS5.
sircaw
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shut the hell up Bo you're getting that Dolphin game on Game pass and your bloody playing it.
120 fps remember, end of STORY
Audiophile
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I'll copy-paste this in here too seeing as I spent a while jotting it down. And this is a more frequented thread:
XSX is $499 and has 52CUs with a 320-bit bus on the APU, PS5 has an APU with 36CUs and a 256-Bit bus. Smaller wafers will be much cheaper, higher peak clock requirements will reduce relative yield, but based on what we know of RDNA2, I expect this to fare very well still (and don't forget Sony will be forecast to purchase far more silicon, further reducing per unit cost).
Both systems have the same mount of RAM (albeit with a slightly different density/layout, but ~same mem chip clocks). Sony have more chips in their on-board SSD (albeit with lower overall capacity), but the individual chips should actually be clocked a good bit slower than the ones in the XSX, negating a little of the cost. The real special sauce is in the I/O, layout and presumably, software stack.
The APU, RAM & to some degree, SSD, will be by far the most expensive components in each box and primary indicators of the bom. Sony are also the market leaders with a very high attach rate and enormous revenues in network services. They can take a loss on their consoles, in fact I'd argue that they're in a better position than they've ever been to do so. I wouldn't expect PS2 levels of up front hardware losses (>$150) or god forbid, PS3 levels (~$250)...
But, I'd guess something like this:
PS5 Standard Edition / End to End Cost = ~$550 / RRP = $449 / Loss per Unit = ~$100
PS5 Digital Edition / End to End Cost = ~$530 (no optical drive) / RRP = $399 / Loss per Unit = ~$130 (additional small loss due to eco system lock in; and to hit magic "$399")
People often say "in this financial climate": Sony can't afford to take losses like this [upfront]. Evidently, they can, they have enormous revenue from this sector and people are still throwing plenty of money at them, albeit in smaller, more frequent chunks. What people are actually resistant too is large singular purchases (such as a new flagship console) because they see the giant chunk of money leaving their hands in one go. Subsequently, releasing a cheaper console is more conducive to this fact; and Sony wouldn't do it because they being charitable but because it improves sentiment around the brand, will increase sales, brings more people into the eco system and further increases that stream of smaller but more reliable income that people are all too happy to hand over.
Now the bom / end to end cost may very well be higher and/or Sony may just price it higher and take the money and run because they feel they can. But the idea that because stuff and things, they're no longer in a position to make losses on hardware upfront just seems so ill thought it. Even if they chose not to, they're absolutely in a better position to do so than ever.
Edit: As mentioned before, I also think $399 / $449 is the Goldilocks zone between the XSS and XSX. An extra 33% vs MS' digital console for 150% more power, 60% more ram, 60% more storage etc. While also undercutting MS' big boy by $50 negating the 20% raw compute advantage, offering faster I/O and arguably a far stronger lineup.
In addition, you get one console in at that magic $399 price point, while also having another at $449 which offers more value and acts to gently get people used to the idea of PlayStations in the $400-$500 range in the future (Pro variations, PS6 etc.); as it is arguably getting more and more expensive to achieve this sort of performace with tech limitations and inflation; and price increases will ultimately be inevitable over time.
XSX is $499 and has 52CUs with a 320-bit bus on the APU, PS5 has an APU with 36CUs and a 256-Bit bus. Smaller wafers will be much cheaper, higher peak clock requirements will reduce relative yield, but based on what we know of RDNA2, I expect this to fare very well still (and don't forget Sony will be forecast to purchase far more silicon, further reducing per unit cost).
Both systems have the same mount of RAM (albeit with a slightly different density/layout, but ~same mem chip clocks). Sony have more chips in their on-board SSD (albeit with lower overall capacity), but the individual chips should actually be clocked a good bit slower than the ones in the XSX, negating a little of the cost. The real special sauce is in the I/O, layout and presumably, software stack.
The APU, RAM & to some degree, SSD, will be by far the most expensive components in each box and primary indicators of the bom. Sony are also the market leaders with a very high attach rate and enormous revenues in network services. They can take a loss on their consoles, in fact I'd argue that they're in a better position than they've ever been to do so. I wouldn't expect PS2 levels of up front hardware losses (>$150) or god forbid, PS3 levels (~$250)...
But, I'd guess something like this:
PS5 Standard Edition / End to End Cost = ~$550 / RRP = $449 / Loss per Unit = ~$100
PS5 Digital Edition / End to End Cost = ~$530 (no optical drive) / RRP = $399 / Loss per Unit = ~$130 (additional small loss due to eco system lock in; and to hit magic "$399")
People often say "in this financial climate": Sony can't afford to take losses like this [upfront]. Evidently, they can, they have enormous revenue from this sector and people are still throwing plenty of money at them, albeit in smaller, more frequent chunks. What people are actually resistant too is large singular purchases (such as a new flagship console) because they see the giant chunk of money leaving their hands in one go. Subsequently, releasing a cheaper console is more conducive to this fact; and Sony wouldn't do it because they being charitable but because it improves sentiment around the brand, will increase sales, brings more people into the eco system and further increases that stream of smaller but more reliable income that people are all too happy to hand over.
Now the bom / end to end cost may very well be higher and/or Sony may just price it higher and take the money and run because they feel they can. But the idea that because stuff and things, they're no longer in a position to make losses on hardware upfront just seems so ill thought it. Even if they chose not to, they're absolutely in a better position to do so than ever.
Edit: As mentioned before, I also think $399 / $449 is the Goldilocks zone between the XSS and XSX. An extra 33% vs MS' digital console for 150% more power, 60% more ram, 60% more storage etc. While also undercutting MS' big boy by $50 negating the 20% raw compute advantage, offering faster I/O and arguably a far stronger lineup.
In addition, you get one console in at that magic $399 price point, while also having another at $449 which offers more value and acts to gently get people used to the idea of PlayStations in the $400-$500 range in the future (Pro variations, PS6 etc.); as it is arguably getting more and more expensive to achieve this sort of performace with tech limitations and inflation; and price increases will ultimately be inevitable over time.
Sinthor
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I think it's way more about the ecosystem rather than just the hardware. Like you say, for some people, GamePass is THE SHIT, and they get good value from it. Not a surprise. Bottom line, Microsoft's "Xbox as a platform" strategy has some serious wins in it for those gameers. Playing the game you buy ONCE on your new Xbox, the old one you give to the kids (or something) as well as your mobile phone has some really cool points to it. Just remains to see how much developers adopt it and what Microsoft can start producing now that they've decided not to exit the game development market. People who have the new Series X will start seeing things to really show it off here about 2022-23 and I don't think they'll be disappointed.
Edit- What you said about Xbox people not disappointed is what i'm pointing to here, actually. I knew people with the XBO when the Ps4 came out. Yeah, yeah, some Xbox games were only 900p or whatever instead of 1080p. Nobody could even see the difference without DF and my Xbox owning friends were just fine. IT's ABOUT THE GAMES AND THE ECOSYSTEM, mostly.
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kyliethicc
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Basic logic says why bother offering the Digital PS5 for just $50 less?
Would that really get people to buy the digital model? (The one Sony want you to buy.)
If the Digital PS5 is even worth making from Sony's perspective, they need it to sell tens of millions.
Same reason why the Series S is $200 less. They want you to buy that one.
Would that really get people to buy the digital model? (The one Sony want you to buy.)
If the Digital PS5 is even worth making from Sony's perspective, they need it to sell tens of millions.
Same reason why the Series S is $200 less. They want you to buy that one.
ethomaz
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Classicrockfan
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any chance rockstar will make a showing at Sony show,hoping for a nextgen update for red dead redemption 2,or a remake of redemption 1?
TheGreatWhiteShark
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Nice of you to stand up for your fellow creatures of the sea
Here's what nextgen enhanced games gamepass gets you for free on day one:
Destiny, the full package including Beyond Light
Forza Horizon 4
Gears of War 5
Ori 2
Gears Tactics
Sea of thieves
Outer Wordls
Tetris connected
on top add whatever nextgen enhanced EA PLAY has, and whatever more will microsoft announce the following months.
and for when you are bored, around 200 other games to browse, with a serious amount of them already being dynamic 4k on the xbone x machine
INC
Member
Wait! so it wasn't a hoax?.............
kyliethicc
Member
No chance we see anything about Red Dead for years. Might see more GTA 5 shit.
sircaw
Banned
Nice of you to stand up for your fellow creatures of the sea
Here's what nextgen enhanced games gamepass gets you for free on day one:
Destiny, the full package including Beyond Light
Forza Horizon 4
Gears of War 5
Ori 2
Gears Tactics
Sea of thieves
Outer Wordls
Tetris connected
on top add whatever nextgen enhanced EA PLAY has, and whatever more will microsoft announce the following months.
and for when you are bored, around 200 other games to browse, with a serious amount of them already being dynamic 4k on the xbone x machine
But why would i choose those games, the only ones that i think are decent on that list are ori 2 and gears tactics, the rest just don't get anywhere near to Sonys selection of games.
i want to play the best games on the best console with the best controller listening to it all on the best sound system available while getting it to all load in a blink of an eye. That's Sonys System.
I am sorry there is nothing Microsoft can do, Horizon zero dawn is going to shit all over Microsoft's new games, from a graphical and technical viewpoint, you saw Halo right, it was a disgrace. You have seen all the CRAIG MEMES?
You trying to convince me to get game pass when Sony has God of WAR 2, dark souls, Spiderman, Rachet and Clank, a new uncharted on the way
ARE YOU INSANE, ARE ON FUCKING DRUGS.
I can only afford to get one console, £400 pounds is not cheap to me, i am not going to waste that on a company that has no idea what they are fucking doing. Sorry.
Your getting both consoles, cost is not a worry to you that why you throw around bad advice.
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Matsuchezz
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Dave_at_Home
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Pretty much this. Anyone building up large differences between these systems on third-party games is wasting their time. I think we've all read how expected differences between next-gen visual quality in multi-platform games is smaller than current so who gives a fuck. Well, I guess Digital Foundry will pound their meat over the slightest difference after zooming in 200%. Of course, after that, all the rabid fanboys will either rejoice in grand victory, or drink themselves under the table in defeat. Meanwhile, I'm just hyped to get my hands on the DualSense.I think it's way more about the ecosystem rather than just the hardware. Like you say, for some people, GamePass is THE SHIT, and they get good value from it. Not a surprise. Bottom line, Microsoft's "Xbox as a platform" strategy has some serious wins in it for those gameers. Playing the game you buy ONCE on your new Xbox, the old one you give to the kids (or something) as well as your mobile phone has some really cool points to it. Just remains to see how much developers adopt it and what Microsoft can start producing now that they've decided not to exit the game development market. People who have the new Series X will start seeing things to really show it off here about 2022-23 and I don't think they'll be disappointed.
Edit- What you said about Xbox people not disappointed is what i'm pointing to here, actually. I knew people with the XBO when the Ps4 came out. Yeah, yeah, some Xbox games were only 900p or whatever instead of 1080p. Nobody could even see the difference without DF and my Xbox owning friends were just fine. IT's ABOUT THE GAMES AND THE ECOSYSTEM, mostly.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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nah, you are wrong on the bolded. it was a very blind and stupid strategy of microsoft to bring a machine that wasn't the strongest.I think it's way more about the ecosystem rather than just the hardware. Like you say, for some people, GamePass is THE SHIT, and they get good value from it. Not a surprise. Bottom line, Microsoft's "Xbox as a platform" strategy has some serious wins in it for those gameers. Playing the game you buy ONCE on your new Xbox, the old one you give to the kids (or something) as well as your mobile phone has some really cool points to it. Just remains to see how much developers adopt it and what Microsoft can start producing now that they've decided not to exit the game development market. People who have the new Series X will start seeing things to really show it off here about 2022-23 and I don't think they'll be disappointed.
Edit- What you said about Xbox people not disappointed is what i'm pointing to here, actually. I knew people with the XBO when the Ps4 came out. Yeah, yeah, some Xbox games were only 900p or whatever instead of 1080p. Nobody could even see the difference without DF and my Xbox owning friends were just fine. IT's ABOUT THE GAMES AND THE ECOSYSTEM, mostly.
sure, they had a plan for it, I mean, it launched with very good games, and anybody can tell you that titanfall 1 was THE nextgen shit to play for many many months. also that insomniac game I dont remember the name now, honesty, probably is their best game ever. spiderman doesnt even hold a candle to that. pure fun open world shenanigans.
BUT, the dirt was out, so no sales, therefore no more funding games, and replanning instead. they were stupid to envy nintendo's success with wii, plain and simple.
market has a lot of space for everyone to do their own thing, not copy. microsoft had an impeccable record of bringing out the strongest machine. they fucked it up with xbone. they quickly (ie with the same gen) made up with scorpio though, which still is a fantastic piece of toy, and from what I understand they are keeping high on that stride with the new X
my 2c's
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MasterCornholio
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Drives me crazy that demo stations will probably not be a thing.
Mahavastu
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While I never played the game, it is from the same dev who did the "Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020", so the dev is on a certain quality levelNot yet, should consider it.
splattered
Member
Nah don't worry man it's gotta be $399 and $499
There is no other way forward at this point because of where Microsoft priced their boxes.
They have to at least match the high end unit's price.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
of course I've seen them. most of them are created by you and your friends my little lovely fishy
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