JustP_Gaming
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Not to mention their stock took a hit. Not smart marketing at all.
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Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units
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So that their stocks would also take a hit? #notbuyingit
Panajev2001a
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So, shipping more PS5’s than PS4’s at launch still... not seeing the doom and gloom here. Thread title curiously short to amplify a perceived bad news... F.U.D. much?
ZywyPL
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From what I was able to find AMD was getting 70% yields on 7nm Ryzens back in 2019, it's most likely higher now at the end of 2020 obviously, but as oppose to consoles, AMD can always sell the leftovers as lower clocked/lower core count CPUs, so the actual yields can be higher than 90%, whereas console chips have to hit a certain specs or else they are useless. If the 50% yields are true I guess it all has to do with that 2.2GHz GPU clock which not every chip can reach.
Panajev2001a
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Oh no, you dancing on what you suspect are bad PS5 news... you are super predictable
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Jon Neu
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Oh no, you dancing on what you suspect are bad PS5 news... you are super predictable
You on the other hand going all crazy with the damage control and calling FUD to anything that resembles a negative thing against Sony wasn't super predictable, though.
And that’s the way the cookie crumbles, anyway now that github leak seems not to far fetched huh, it was tested at a TF count that was feasible but after having a look at the MS numbers Sony got in a tight spot and started overclocking , with bad yields as a result, but people wouldn’t listen or wanted to hear this a year ago.
But it’s only logical what it did for the yields.
Not to say it’s not powerful with a 9 -10’TF count, Sony developers probably outclass MS efforts.
Smoke/fire
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Mr. PlayStation
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So many months ago it was reported PS5 production has been ramped up to 11 mil from possible 5-6mil. Now it's reported production dropped from 15mil to 11mil (difference of 4mil). But people enjoy seeing some sort of negative news against PS thus they try to run a story saying cut short by 4 mil units. So what? It's still 11 mil units produced for launch window, not that hard to comprehend!
We have yield figures for MS?
And this is immediately what jumped to my mind - what is MS getting, I'm no expert in this field but but in broad principle terms if these things are quite similar, produced by the same people - you'd expect one to mimic the other to some degree and if MS has the much bigger SoC...
In MS's the Hot Chips presentation there was a slide that mentioned lower yields vs. previous processes.
It isn't so much that as the cause of that reduction. You don't want dodgy parts. That said, you would have thought that before boosting production they'd have already been aware of yield levels.
Mr. PlayStation
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But tell me isn't 11mil a great number for the launch window? didn't sony struggle even further with PS4 and PS3 gen with yield issues? I think 11 mil PS5's at launch window is a staggering number and many are still going to be left out
the console is going to be a total sell out in seconds!Panajev2001a
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Sure, news “PS5 shipments cut from 15 million to 11 million and still above PS4 levels at the same timeframe” being cut into “PS5 shipments cut by 5 million, production issues” is the same exact message. Do you write for The Sun or The Daily Telegraph by any chance
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It is still a larger number I believe yes. But that neither guarantees their stability nor their sell-out status.But tell me isn't 11mil a great number for the launch window? didn't sony struggle even further with PS4 and PS3 gen with yield issues? I think 11 mil PS5's at launch window is a staggering number and many are still going to be left out
I could produce a load of tables and be super-confident about my product but if I price it too highly or it turns out the legs fall off, people aren't going to buy it.
At this stage it just hints that it will be nicely priced, we'll find out tomorrow.
Benefit of not clocking well above 2 GHz. No joke .
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Jon Neu
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The Series X doesn't have a frequency that high, so I'm sure they are more steady.
Seems that Sony panicked when they discovered that MS was 12 teraflops and boosted from 9 to 10 teraflops in a desperate last effort. And the yields are suffering from it.
It certainly is weird that so many yields are falling and it was certainly weird that the most reliable leaks where claiming a 9 teraflop PS5.
jimbojim
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It's still a lot of units. Much more than PS4s. Maybe production rate causing yield issues. 15 mil. till end of March 2020 is very a lot
Bloomberg said 10 mil. till March 2021. Maybe Sony upped the production after Bloomberg report
No one said 10 mil. at launch. 10 mil. It was planned till March 2021, end of their fiscal year.
Anyway, somehow they upped production to 15 mil. between. 11 mil. is still alot. 5 million more than PS4 in same time-frame
kuncol02
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That's not true. MS can sell their leftover chips too. They go straight into XSS.
jimbojim
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Again "last minute" crap. So, you calling other a fanboys, what the hell are you then? Didn't you called out members here calling them fanboys because huge possibility that XSS will hold back next-gen??
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They also contradict themselves in the article, so until December they produce 10 million and from December until March they produce 1 million, so where is that 50% fail rate? That is, you manage to bring 10 million consoles to the shelf by December, knowing that production began somewhere in June-July, and then to have problems with chips and in 3-4 months to produce only 1 million?! Sounds like an invented news, just in time with the conference.
Yup and in blades.
geordiemp
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Yeah it is sad, oh look apple also cant make Iphones and .....
Was expecting some poor FUD today, journalists are no better.
SatansReverence
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Not really, the XSS die is entirely different.
turtlepowa
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Enjoy your ban, 9 is the number of the devil on GAF.
Jon Neu
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And you know is crap because... ?
The facts are:
-Reliable leaks claim the PS5 is 9TF. Even DF makes a comparison between a 9TF vs 12 TF hardware.
-Later on, the PS5 is announced to have 10TF with some weird boosting system.
-And now we have this news about the PS5 yields being so unreliable.
Maybe you don't want to see the correlation because it hurts your Sony fan feelings, but I think it's something worth pointing out.
No, I called out other members for believing just the devs they want and ignore the ones who don't support their narrative.
Also I wanted to know how are they going to know if a game has been held back or not. And I'm still waiting for an answer.
The fact that some of them are huge Sony fanboys precedes the Xbox Series S discussion.
What are you talking about. No where in the article does it say any of that.
All they talk about is the overall output until the end of March being 11 million. They don't say x million will be in this period and y million will be in another period.
I take it you are bringing in the previous figure from the old article of 10 million by December.
It doesn't take a genius to understand that that 10 million by December is now a figure that isn't going to happen. Instead it'd be something like 7 million and 3 million or 6 and 4.
Jon Neu
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I know you can't say that the PS5 is 9TF on GAF.
But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's 10TF because they boosted the frequency to shorten the disadvantage against MS 12TF. And that boosts seems to have come back to bite them in the ass with the yields falling at an espectacular rate.
prinz_valium
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bUt gItHuB Is WrONg
36CUs at 1.8GHz was always what I thought and yeah that would've been a normal console.
Cerny even said they had issues with 2 GHZ with fixed frequencies.
The PS5 is a 8TF console if you compare with a traditional console design.
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PleaseWaitStation4
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kuncol02
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Source? I would like to read about that.
PleaseWaitStation4
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jimbojim
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SatansReverence
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It's a smaller die with significantly cut down CU counts.
It's not just an XSX die with disabled CUs.
XSX die is 197mm² where as the XSX is something like 360mm².
FranXico
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The github leaks were correct, but representative of very early tests.
They were old info even at the time they leaked.
To be honest and if mods are honest , all this bad yield stuff in relation to that leak is starting to look like a possibility... but I am very interested what went on ..
No console warrioring at all , and if you have open discussions, my opinion is that this also a topic for a discussion.
But that’s me .
It also baffles me how MS seems to have the hardware stable as supposed to Sony a hardware company, but that MS dropped the ball on Software, a software company.
Interesting start of a new gen. Would make great book material for sure .
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vdopey
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Maybe they did, maybe they didn't its all speculation on your part right now, you have no idea what their plans are / were 11 million units in launch window is no slouch and to be honest if they already have 10 million to ship, they have time to produce more.
We have no idea what the xbox yields are right now, they probably have pretty high yield rate failures but possibly are re-purposing for the xss most likely, ultimately what it will come down to is sales, we will know how either have fared this time next year, that is when the dust will have settled in all of this.
Also can I add its custom silicon in both cases, very heavily modified APU's, in sonys case with a complex i/o units embedded, so the initlal build outs will be problematic I am sure - give it another 6 months to a year and it will all stabilise out
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jimbojim
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Regarding PS5, Github was wrong about frequency clocks ( 2 Ghz ) TFLOPS ( 9.2 ), GPU architecture ( RDNA 1 ) and about half wrong bandwidth speed ( 530 GB/s and 448 GB/s was in github )
BlueXImpulse
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This is actually good news.
FranXico
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Like I said, very old test data. There probably was no such thing as RDNA 2 back then.
SatansReverence
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Cerny himself stated they were targeting and struggling to hit 2ghz.
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