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Take Two CEO on VR: "Thankfully, we didn't waste any money on it. "

When 3D screens without glasses become the norm, VR will have almost no reason to exist ... Many people will never appreciate VR because it is too clostrophobic. There are also the vertigo problems to be solved ... Impossible today to play more than 2-3 hours in vr without problems ... It is very inadvisable.
 

CuNi

Member
2 <VR fails to take off because of a million obvious reasons>

Yet you failed to prove your Number 2.
So far you are only sitting in a VR thread, saying "VR is dead!" and not bringing up any arguments to even remotely prove your point.
 
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RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
When they can get it down to the size of wrap around glasses, with total field of view and wireless.. then it'll kick off, id love to play my PSVR more often but can i fuck be arsed with the amount of hassle and wires getting it set up only for the missus to laugh at the state of me and for the kids to play let's throw shit at daddys balls
 
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DavidGzz

Member
It's a genre in and of itself. Not everyone is going to like it. I may have to get the Quest 2 to finally get into it.
 

Kev Kev

Member
oh fuck off with this

why does every other thread on gaming side have to be picking at someone, or attacking a brand, or dunking on one another with sales figures that are entirely inconsequential to their own personal lives? jfc how many children do we have over here. you guys are a fucking embarrassment sometimes. OP and everyone else that constantly wars with each other on here is the only bad thing about this forum. we need a "Console Wars/Arguing" side dedicated to people who love doing this kind of shit. that actually could be a lot of fun and i might even join in, but when the fighting bleeds into every single fucking thread, where its really not welcome, it gets exhausting. it's literally like i have to go on a marathon of ignoring threads every time i visit gaming side, just so that i can keep the actual good threads close to the top.

as for the topic itself, VR is fucking amazing. but i dont think "everyone" was saying it was "the future of all gaming forever and ever" lol. sure, some people were saying bc they were spinning out of control with excitement and got ahead of themselves, ok yeah sure. but most of us are just enjoying the shit out of VR and were not on here screaming about how its the future for everyone. for me personally, its the future, i find it difficult to go back to flat screen gaming. but of course i know its not the future for everyone. again, most of us never ever fucking said that.

this thread feels a bit trolly, but i just had to bite bc i just got off work and im stressed lol... ok maybe the console wars side idea isnt the best idea ive ever had, but i feel like we can do something...
 
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CuNi

Member
oh fuck off with this

why does every other thread on gaming side have to be picking at someone, or attacking a brand, or dunking on one another with sales figures that are entirely inconsequential to their own personal lives? jfc how many children do we have over here. you guys are a fucking embarrassment sometimes. OP and everyone else that constantly wars with each other on here is the only bad thing about this forum. we need a "Console Wars/Arguing" side dedicated to people who love doing this kind of shit. that actually could be a lot of fun and i might even join in, but when the fighting bleeds into every single fucking thread, where its really not welcome, it gets exhausting. it's literally like i have to go on a marathon of ignoring threads every time i visit gaming side, just so that i can keep the actual good threads close to the top.

as for the topic itself, VR is fucking amazing. but i dont think "everyone" was saying it was "the future of all gaming forever and ever" lol. sure, some people were saying bc they were spinning out of control with excitement and got ahead of themselves, ok yeah sure. but most of us are just enjoying the shit out of VR and were not on here screaming about how its the future for everyone. for me personally, its the future, i find it difficult to go back to flat screen gaming. but of course i know its not the future for everyone. again, most of us never ever fucking said that.

this thread feels a bit trolly, but i just had to bite bc i just got off work and im stressed lol... ok maybe the console wars side idea isnt the best ida ive ever had, but i feel like we can do something...

Didn't you get the memo? Gaming is not supposed to be fun anymore! Everything is a fail, dying genre and bad investment, period.
Since games started to ban toxic players, it feels like they just moved their meta to forums.
 

Keihart

Member
Take who?
VR is great, not our fault that you are a greedy broke ass publisher without Rockstar...even indie developers can afford to do games for it and thrive, you just need to do something good for a change.
 

Romulus

Member
Take who?
VR is great, not our fault that you are a greedy broke ass publisher without Rockstar...even indie developers can afford to do games for it and thrive, you just need to do something good for a change.

The guy doesn't even know what's going on in his own front yard. Rockstar themselves are developing AAA VR games. That's already been confirmed. Clueless CEO.
 

BlackM1st

Banned
Technology is just not there yet to produce cheap, reliable and compact peripherals.

Imagine a VR screens hidden inside of the classic aviators and a single 3d positioning camera that can track your whole body.
 

Lanrutcon

Member
Yet you failed to prove your Number 2.
So far you are only sitting in a VR thread, saying "VR is dead!" and not bringing up any arguments to even remotely prove your point.

Actually, I'm in a "Head of billion dollar development/publishing company says VR is dead" thread saying "the same old arguments will be used to defend VR as it fails to take off for the nth year in a row".

I'll see everyone in 2021's version of this thread, where we'll rehash the same argument. I'm sure things will be different then, right?

Right.
 
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Ah, another VR thread.

1 "You're wrong, VR is fine. It's just still in it's early stages! One day it'll be great! It's getting bigger every day!"
2 <VR fails to take off because of a million obvious reasons>
3 Someone notices and tells it like it is
4 Goto 1
The issues are consistently getting fixed. There is no continuous cycle, because it has an end.
 

lukilladog

Member
Wow, correct twice in one day, must be a record, have a cookie. I have edited my original post to reflect this.

Not officially announced no, but here is what we do know.



That is the official line, of course they are not going to announce PSVR 2 until its ready but the bolded part tells you everything you want to know.

There is also this.





Not to mention the numerous patents Sony has filed on VR tech over the past year or two.


Here's some links if you care to educate yourself.


PlayStation’s Dominic Mallinson on next-gen VR, wireless, gaze tracking, foveated rendering, and AR
Sony nuked PlayStation VR’s biggest problem by promising PS5 support
PSVR 2 – Everything We Know About Next Generation PSVR
PSVR 2: Everything We Know About Sony’s Unannounced Headset

I don´t need any education to notice that VR is not invited to the PS5 show lol.
 
Actually, I'm in a "Head of billion dollar development/publishing company says VR is dead" thread saying "the same old arguments will be used to defend VR as it fails to take off for the nth year in a row".

I'll see everyone in 2021's version of this thread, where we'll rehash the same argument. I'm sure things will be different then, right?

Right.
One year is not going to make a difference, not unless that year contains a breakthrough product. It will be bigger, cheaper, and with more AAAs next year however yes, it's issues stopping mass adoption will remain.

This will likely happen in 2022, 2023, and 2024 as well. 2025? I expect that's when we'll see this breakthrough product launch that solves all the issues and then it will take a few more years for that product and competitor products to go mainstream since obviously it doesn't happen overnight.
 

Resenge

Member
Actually, I'm in a "Head of billion dollar development/publishing company says VR is dead" thread saying "the same old arguments will be used to defend VR as it fails to take off for the nth year in a row".

I'll see everyone in 2021's version of this thread, where we'll rehash the same argument. I'm sure things will be different then, right?

Right.
“Having finished the critically well received L.A. Noire: The V.R. Case Files we are now gearing up for a new project, a AAA open world title in VR for Rockstar. 2020 marks our 7th year of working exclusively for Rockstar in Sydney and we are excited to taking on this ground breaking project,”



I don´t need any education to notice that VR is not invited to the PS5 show lol.

Exactly what I expected from you, nothing but troll bait and ignorance.
 
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The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
It will always be a niche gimmick, and it will never replace gaming as we know today, thankfully.
 
Lmao cloud gaming. It's amazing technology, but most applications of it are to stream applications to lower end devices.
So rather than improving existing gaming experiences, it's a way to make multiplatform with mobile/consoles/pc.
Regardless of how well the infrastructure is, you'd be held back from the shitty control scheme of phones and tablets.

When I see an AAA game render graphics/CPU processing in the cloud to stream to devices, then I'll be impressed.
 
I don´t need any education to notice that VR is not invited to the PS5 show lol.
Cool. So explain the existence of DualSense and Tempest audio.

And these, too:


 

nani17

are in a big trouble
Motion control - the future of gaming

3D gaming with your 3d monitor - the future of gaming

VR - the future of gaming

Head it all before
 
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Romulus

Member
Thread attracts a few VR trolls because CEO says "vr bad, no money."

Yet same ceo doesn't even know his biggest developer is working on AAA VR. Meme worthy.
 
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The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Thankfully, you're consistently wrong. Like a certain dog in this thread.

Yeah I know. Vr has really taken off and replaced the traditional gaming as we know it.

2sre1p.jpg

The majority of gamers still plays traditional, and will be. Why do you even want to force this to be the,"standard" when the majority of players don't care about it? Should people to force what you enjoy?

Theres plenty of room for traditional play and niche gimmicks.
 
Motion control - the future of gaming

3D gaming with your 3d monitor - the future of gaming

VR - the future of gaming

Head it all before
The past has no relation to future technologies. VR is it's own thing and isn't going to fail just because other gaming shifts failed.
 
Motion control - the future of gaming

3D gaming with your 3d monitor - the future of gaming

VR - the future of gaming

Head it all before
All of this technologies(motion controls, stereoscopic 3D) are existing now through VR and companies investing more than ever. Facebook etc.

What you heard was right.

expect to see this grow more and more every 5 years.
 
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lukilladog

Member
Cool. So explain the existence of DualSense and Tempest audio.

And these, too:



You can´t use that in normal gaming?.
 
Yeah I know. Vr has really taken off and replaced the traditional gaming as we know it.

2sre1p.jpg

The majority of gamers still plays traditional, and will be. Why do you even want to force this to be the,"standard" when the majority of players don't care about it? Should people to force what you enjoy?

Theres plenty of room for traditional play and niche gimmicks.
And yet it's been 4-5 years since headsets launched. Not even smartphones could go mainstream that fast, and they were the fastest technology shift we've ever seen. Everything takes 10-20 years, and there are no exceptions.

So no, you can't say you've 'won' yet considering your standards of winning are impossible to meet in the first place.
 

CuNi

Member
Actually, I'm in a "Head of billion dollar development/publishing company says VR is dead" thread saying "the same old arguments will be used to defend VR as it fails to take off for the nth year in a row".

I'll see everyone in 2021's version of this thread, where we'll rehash the same argument. I'm sure things will be different then, right?

Right.

Okay, so let me just lay out the facts here.

VR is dead faction:
Head of ~4,5 billion dollar company says VR is dead, whom you instantly believe, because obviously he is the CEO of a wealthy company so he must have some knowledge!

VR is not dead faction:
Valve, 10 billion dollar company heavily invests in VR, helped make the HTC Vive, made its own VR headset the Index that is so high in demand that it's constantly out of stock, creates one if not the best VR game to date, helps other companies like HP with lenses so their VR headsets are even better.
HP, 33 billion dollar company creates the Reverb G2 that also has private customers in mind because they did not expect the interest outside of business partners with the G1.
Facebook, 750+ billion dollar company heavily invests into VR because it can use this to get even more data to sell out of its users but heavily pushes entry level devices that benefit low-budget gamers to get a very good experience.

Yeah, you're right. Those 3 very profitable and noteworthy companies must be all wrong here.

I think I can fix your 4-Step plan.

1. Post "VR is dead LOL" in a VR thread.
2. Get confronted that you talk bullshit.
3. Say "it's obvious lol!"
4. Add nothing to the narrative and make a fool out of yourself.

So congratulations! You successfully reached Stage 4 of your master plan! Hooray! :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Resenge

Member
Yeah I know. Vr has really taken off and replaced the traditional gaming as we know it.

2sre1p.jpg

The majority of gamers still plays traditional, and will be. Why do you even want to force this to be the,"standard" when the majority of players don't care about it? Should people to force what you enjoy?

Theres plenty of room for traditional play and niche gimmicks.
Why is this even an argument? VR is an addition to gaming not a replacement. Just as the Switch is an addition to my PS4, Xbox, PC etc.
 
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Yeah I know. Vr has really taken off and replaced the traditional gaming as we know it.

2sre1p.jpg

The majority of gamers still plays traditional, and will be. Why do you even want to force this to be the,"standard" when the majority of players don't care about it? Should people to force what you enjoy?

Theres plenty of room for traditional play and niche gimmicks.
Yes, by the way. Gamers should be forced. Every advancement there has ever been was forced by developers because gamers do not ask for these things. 3D graphics, online multiplayer - developers thought of these long before gamers and it was the forcing of these that made gamers actually adopt them. Before they were forced, 3D graphics were laughed at for being ugly and limiting for gameplay.

I'm not saying VR should forcefully replace all traditional games - I'm saying that VR should be forced as an investment in gaming because it will be better for everyone including all the people who claim it's not.
 
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Droxcy

Member
It is not for everyone. It has its cool features and such but I'd rather see AR implemented into our lives rather then VR.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
And yet it's been 4-5 years since headsets launched. Not even smartphones could go mainstream that fast, and they were the fastest technology shift we've ever seen. Everything takes 10-20 years, and there are no exceptions.

So no, you can't say you've 'won' yet considering your standards of winning are impossible to meet in the first place.

VR headsets were available to the people since the 90'ies, yet here we are.


It's not a bad thing its a gimmick. Also, you ignored everything else I said in my post.

Why is this even an argument? VR is an addition to gaming not a replacement. Just as the Switch is an addition to my PS4, Xbox, PC etc.

I keep saying vr is a gimmick, but some are saying it will replace the traditional gaming we know today. Which I say won't ever happen. Just look at this guy:

Yes, by the way. Gamers should be forced. Every advancement there has ever been was forced by developers because gamers do not ask for these things. 3D graphics, online multiplayer - developers thought of these long before gamers and it was the forcing of these that made gamers actually adopt them. Before they were forced, 3D graphics were laughed at for being ugly and limiting for gameplay.

I'm not saying VR should forcefully replace all traditional games - I'm saying that VR should be forced as an investment in gaming because it will be better for everyone including all the people who claim it's not.
Thankfully you are not in charge of decisions like this. Don't you dare to destroy my hobby.
I can't understand alt leftist way of thinking that everyone should be forced to like what they like.
 
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Well, one of the biggest publishers said that is a "waste of money". Go tell Zelnick that.
Yeah?

I remember the head of EA and Phil Spencer both saying there is no future for single player games and that it's multiplayer only.

Then GoW and spiderman happened and they changed their tune over night.

Zelnick is only pissed off because he can't think of a way to monitize it
 

avalonzero

Member
VR is as big a leap for gaming as 3D, it's a shame that people were and continue to be too close minded to see it.

It's not so much that people are being closed minded, it's that the tech isn't there yet. Not very many people want to clear furniture and deal with cables and cumbersome headsets after a full day's work all the time. It has it's place but it's not going to overtake traditional gaming any time soon.
 

Resenge

Member
VR headsets were available to the people since the 90'ies, yet here we are.


It's not a bad thing its a gimmick. Also, you ignored everything else I said in my post.



I keep saying vr is a gimmick, but some are saying it will replace the traditional gaming we know today. Which I say won't ever happen.
Well your right and wrong, VR is an addition like any other peripheral but VR isn't a gimmck. How would you know, If I remember from another anti VR thread you are anti VR due to someone laughing at you becuase you couldn't afford VR.
 
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Convicsik

Member
I love my PSVR and the feeling of being in an environment never gets old or stale for me. For me the biggest issue is being tethered to the console. I think once wireless VR in general can be affordable and powerful a lot more people will get into it.
 

CuNi

Member
Uh hu. Next year will definitely be the year of VR.

How could it not be with all those factual facts?

See you in 2021, neighbor.

AH okay, my bad.
I take the blame for not noticing your blatend trolling.
I always fall back into the same scheme of thinking people are actually interested in a argument and not just sitting in a echo chamber, shouting their chants while keeping their ears covered as to not hear anything that might contradict their belief :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
VR headsets were available to the people since the 90'ies, yet here we are.


It's not a bad thing its a gimmick. Also, you ignored everything else I said in my post.



I keep saying vr is a gimmick, but some are saying it will replace the traditional gaming we know today. Which I say won't ever happen.
90s was a false start. No serious company released a consumer headset. There was no such thing as a Sony, Nintendo, Facebook, HTC, or Valve doing consumer VR in the 90s.

There were no serious VR R&D teams for consumer VR either; it was all just startups and small businesses releasing headsets that supported a few dozen titles.

After VR died in the 90s, there was no advancement going on in the space, no development in software or hardware, and certainly not developer tools. Therefore it's accurate to say it was cryogenically freezed for 15+ years, and only then did advancaements start to happen again.
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
I can't stand that sleeze ball cunt of a CEO but I do agree with him...don't waste yo money on it. Needs another 10-20 years and maybe it will be worth it. Just a gimmick still atm
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Well your right and wrong, VR is an addition like any other periferal but VR isn't a gimmck. How would you know, If i remember from another anti VR thread you are anti VR due to someone laughing at you becuase you couldn't afford VR.

... Are you argumenting with me, saying the reason I don't like vr is because some random dude on a forum that doesn't know me in real life and are pro vr, says I hate it simply because I can't afford it? Yet doesn't know shit about if I even had a headset and just didn't enjoy it?

That's a new low on discussion boards Holy shit. Let me just say the majority of Neogaf can't afford an Xbox Series X apparently with that logic.
 
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Romulus

Member
I keep saying vr is a gimmick, but some are saying it will replace the traditional gaming we know today. Which I say won't ever happen.


I take the argument that it won't replace traditional but be a sidekick. To me it's like top tier PC, vastly superior to everything else. But VR takes that even further than regular PC gaming ever has in terms of immersion.

I just don't associate hardcore VR flight and racing sims with "gimmick." In actual practice, it doesn't make sense because it literally transforms the game to the point there is no going back.

I compare VR to things like kinect, eye toy? Really its like that? I'm literally blown away that I feel like I'm inside these hyper powerful machines, but somehow that's in the same field as, kinect? It's just not even close.
 
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