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[ethomaz]

Can you show me? I watched the Cerny thing and definitely did not come away with a definitive impression that everything will just work? Didn’t he mention a number like 100?

He mention the 100 top titles were already tested (in March) to use the P55 BC boost mode.

Sony is testing the games released before July 8 (or June) but after that the devs are required to do their tests before ship a PS4 game.

Almost all games (so 99%) works in the native PS4 BC or PS4 Pro modes.

I believe the PS5 BC boost mode is a option like PS4 Pro boost mode... you can turn it on at own risk but only games tested by Sony and/or devs are guaranteed to works.

 

[leo-j]

they confirmed you get ps4 pro boost mode improvements with ps4 games that have it already.

 

[scalman]

but will ps5 will get boost mode of its own then ? like boosting even more allready boosted pro game ...so then its like 2x boosted .

 

[Elcid]

I was able to get a pre-order for the PS5 but other than Miles Morales UE, not much else interests me. What had me excited about getting a PS5 at launch was that I expected at least Sony to come out with some patches for PS4 games to boost resolution/framerate. It would be fun to replay some of these games at 60fps. At the very least I was expecting announcements for TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima since they were launching just a few months before the PS5. I guess there's always games that have unlocked framerate options, like FFXV or God of War which should boost to a stable 60fps on PS5 without a patch, though they will be limited to 1080p.

I just think it's shitty of Sony not to tell us if and when patches are coming.

Depends on the game. Certain games are giving you free upgrades to PS5, some are giving you $10 upgrades to PS5, and others are trying to get you to pay another 60+ dollars.
As for them going to really old games and patching them? I don't know what you would expect there. They already said some PS4 games, assuming those that already run with a boost mode, will benefit from the PS5 power.

 

[ethomaz]

but will ps5 will get boost mode of its own then ? like boosting even more allready boosted pro game ...so then its like 2x boosted .

There are 3 modes.

1) PS4 BC native mode: all PS4 games that doesn’t have a Pro patch or profile will use this mode.
2) PS4 Pro BC native mode: all PS4 games that have a Pro patch or profile will use that mode.

These two modes works with basically all modes except the ones that require some accessory that is not compatible with PS5.

3) PS5 BC boost mode: games that are tested by Sony are guaranteed to run better in this mode without any issue... games released after July 8 are mandatory to be tested and working fine in that mode.

Not all games will run in that third mode l because it needs to be tested to assure it won’t have any issue (and if it has needs some patch to fix the issues).
That mode in March Sony said to have tested 100 games and all of them were working fine.

Mode 1 and 2 the games will run exactly like PS4 and PS4 Pro... Mode 1 will offer enhancements.

PS. Of course if a game get a PS5 patch then it not run as BC anymore but as a native PS5 game... if you take that in kind is the 4h mode (games running as PS5 native) and the enhancements depends of what the dev wants that go over what the PS5 BC boost mode offer.

 

[Boss Mog]

From the top of my head these are the games that will get free upgrades if you have the PS4 version.

1. Watchdogs Legion
2. FarCry 6
3. Assassin's Creed Valhalla
4. Sackboys Big Adventure
5. The Witcher 3
6. Doom Eternal
7. Kena
8. Horizon Forbidden West
9. Cyberpunk 2077

Also this article contains alot more.

PS4 to PS5: All Games with Confirmed Free Upgrades

Every game that lets you transfer from PS4 to PS5

www.pushsquare.com

Just to be clear for everyone these are not the patches I'm talking about in the OP. These are upgrades that will let you download digital versions of PS5 games you already own on PS4. These are all upcoming games that haven't released yet. When the PS4 Pro came out a bunch of old games got Pro patches as part of a title update. And that's basically what I'm talking about now with the PS5. Will older games like Uncharted 4 get an update that boosts resolution/framerate if the game detects you're playing it on a PS5.

 

[Bonfires Down]

So people in this thread actually think it’s unreasonable or ”entitled” to hope for higher resolutions and frame rates without being charged.

You’re brainwashed.

 

[Andodalf]

The amount of people in this thread who seem to believe that anyone who dares to question Sony doesn’t deserve to get to play video games in so weird

 

[ethomaz]

but will ps5 will get boost mode of its own then ? like boosting even more allready boosted pro game ...so then its like 2x boosted .

For tested games yes in PS5 BC boost mode.

 

[TheMan]

can we expect for ps4 games to run like they’re on a ps4pro at least?

 

[T-Cake]

can we expect for ps4 games to run like they’re on a ps4pro at least?

No, otherwise there wouldn't be any point in having the PS4 mode. They would have just had the two, PS4 Pro and PS5 modes.

 

[FeiRR]

How so bigger resolution and more FPS, is always better. Many games which was X1X enhanced looked really good just with res bump.

You don't have any over 1080p console, do you? It's not like on PC.

 

[M1chl]

You don't have any over 1080p console, do you? It's not like on PC.

I do, I have X1X with many of enhanced X360 games with 4k TV...

 

[Psajdak]

Don't preorder.

 

[Hostile_18]

By far the most exciting thing about next gen is how it will improve my game collection and they have said basically nothing.

Sure 99% backwards compatability and that's great and all but my PS4 has 100% (lol). Its the enhancements that are exciting. Some of my favorite games this gen may finally be worthy of the PC master race gracing them with their eyeballs at last!

I really hope we get a list of day 1 enhanced games soon. Hopefully ALL first party at the very least.

 

[cireza]

Not talking about it because it is probably not going to be a thing.

Let's just wait and see what is actually BC at launch, if it is free, and how does it run. First buyers will be the one to actually give the information. Isn't it awesome ?

 

[Agent X]

Enough time for more info around the whole launch line-up, teardown, UI/features, maybe another deep dive into the PS5 hardware (DF or some other media).

I agree with this. I expect that Sony will designate another event to reveal and explore the system's feature set, likely through a PlayStation.Blog post.

From the top of my head these are the games that will get free upgrades if you have the PS4 version.

1. Watchdogs Legion
2. FarCry 6
3. Assassin's Creed Valhalla
4. Sackboys Big Adventure
5. The Witcher 3
6. Doom Eternal
7. Kena
8. Horizon Forbidden West
9. Cyberpunk 2077

Also this article contains alot more.

PS4 to PS5: All Games with Confirmed Free Upgrades

Every game that lets you transfer from PS4 to PS5

www.pushsquare.com

That's very useful information.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

I want to know what upgrades are available at launch.

 

[mikefrails]

I’m not rewarding them with a launch window purchase. We’ll see if they self correct after all this day 1 hype has died down.

 

[HarryKS]

Just to be clear for everyone these are not the patches I'm talking about in the OP. These are upgrades that will let you download digital versions of PS5 games you already own on PS4. These are all upcoming games that haven't released yet. When the PS4 Pro came out a bunch of old games got Pro patches as part of a title update. And that's basically what I'm talking about now with the PS5. Will older games like Uncharted 4 get an update that boosts resolution/framerate if the game detects you're playing it on a PS5.

Why would they do that?

Use some logic. It's dead money.

 

[TonyK]

There are 3 modes.

1) PS4 BC native mode: all PS4 games that doesn’t have a Pro patch or profile will use this mode.
2) PS4 Pro BC native mode: all PS4 games that have a Pro patch or profile will use that mode.

These two modes works with basically all modes except the ones that require some accessory that is not compatible with PS5.

3) PS5 BC boost mode: games that are tested by Sony are guaranteed to run better in this mode without any issue... games released after July 8 are mandatory to be tested and working fine in that mode.

Not all games will run in that third mode l because it needs to be tested to assure it won’t have any issue (and if it has needs some patch to fix the issues).
That mode in March Sony said to have tested 100 games and all of them were working fine.

Mode 1 and 2 the games will run exactly like PS4 and PS4 Pro... Mode 1 will offer enhancements.

PS. Of course if a game get a PS5 patch then it not run as BC anymore but as a native PS5 game... if you take that in kind is the 4h mode (games running as PS5 native) and the enhancements depends of what the dev wants that go over what the PS5 BC boost mode offer.

It's weird for me when people here speak with such confidence, as if you were a developer of Sony or something. But in reality you have the same info as everyone but you express your speculations as facts, right?

 

[TonyK]

Why would they do that?

Use some logic. It's dead money.

Because they did it for PS4 pro?

 

[HarryKS]

Because they did it for PS4 pro?

Because the games had been released within 2-3 financial quarters and were still getting DLC.

Gotta be logical sometimes.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Sony knows they can take a dump in a box and slap a Playstation logo on it and a certain segment of people would pay full price for it. Especially Europeans. That's why Sony's boning them dry.

Face it, Boost Mode on PS5 is a microtransaction.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Only way I can see a patch coming is if it will help the game Dev/ pub make more money. So games as a service will all get it.

I think I'll have to pay again for Skyrim though. It being excluded from ps+ collection means it's come at some point, probably for $60 more.

 

[jakinov]

What's with the sudden expectation that businesses are going to throw hundreds of thousands of dollars to give free updates to old games? Just being allowed to deliver the update is probably going to cost them at least 10k per platform. This is the first real internet enabled generation with real backwards compatibility at launch and both companies put money up to do it already to make this happen and now you want them to take it to another level and spend a bunch of money giving you free upgrades to their games?

 

[BattleScar]

Again, I'm gonna be flippant here and say you shouldn't be pre-ordering anything.

No console or gaming PC any of that consumer shit is so necessary to your continued existence that you must have it immediately.
This kind of brainless consumerism is precisely what leads to shit like Arrogant Sony, or Arrogant Microsoft or Arrogant Nintendo. If companies weren't certain that there would be a bunch of people lining up outside stores or writing bots to snap up pre-orders they might consider employing the better business practices everyone here seems to be clamouring for to entice you to buy.

 

[Phrixotrichus]

Aside from a few people on internet boards no one cares...

 

[THE DUCK]

Microsoft has an incentive. Only 10 people bought their consoles in the last generation and when a new generation starts everything resets to zero. And because Microsoft only sold 5 copies of their games they have a chance to bring in new people to their ecosystem and they can do that with upgrades to their old games. Especially when they don't even have any new games to offer them.

Sony on the other hand knows that they don't have to do shit and spending time and money on patching their old games isn't going to net a return. So what's the point.

And honestly, what is the fucking point. You don't go buy something that works to a given level and then return it to the store to get an performance upgrade when a new version of that product arrives, so why the fuck do people think they are entitled to that for a game?

50 million consoles and billions of profit reduced to 10 eh? Well done.

 

[Night.Ninja]

It's looking like first party games will just get remasters

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I was able to get a pre-order for the PS5 but other than Miles Morales UE, not much else interests me. What had me excited about getting a PS5 at launch was that I expected at least Sony to come out with some patches for PS4 games to boost resolution/framerate. It would be fun to replay some of these games at 60fps. At the very least I was expecting announcements for TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima since they were launching just a few months before the PS5. I guess there's always games that have unlocked framerate options, like FFXV or God of War which should boost to a stable 60fps on PS5 without a patch, though they will be limited to 1080p.

I just think it's shitty of Sony not to tell us if and when patches are coming.

I think you already answered your concern.

MS had been blabbing about Xbox One X boosts for old ass 360 games right from day one... res boost, better or more stable frame rates, here's some videos comparing a One X BC game vs. the game on 360 etc....

If Sony has been really mum about this aside from Jim Ryan saying "99%" of games are BC, but nothing more and the system comes out in 2 months, I think the general answer is boosting PS4 games will be lean. You'll get them working, but enhancements will be thin. If enhancements were done very well and automatic by PS5 brute forcing some improvements, you'd already be hearing about it.

So if your total package enjoyment hinges on getting old PS4 games getting some performance/res boosts, I think you'll be disappointed.

 

[ethomaz]

It's weird for me when people here speak with such confidence, as if you were a developer of Sony or something. But in reality you have the same info as everyone but you express your speculations as facts, right?

?

Cerny explained that.

 

[FeiRR]

I do, I have X1X with many of enhanced X360 games with 4k TV...

Okay, but those games were patched by devs so they were tested before release. If you think it's just a config file, you have no idea how game development, QA and certification work.

 

[M1chl]

Okay, but those games were patched by devs so they were tested before release. If you think it's just a config file, you have no idea how game development, QA and certification work.

No those games were "patched" by MS and their BC team. Well I do have a very good idea, about that because I spend some time QAing at Warhorse with their game of Kingdom Come: Deliverance.

 

[evanft]

I mean, pre-ordering a video game console is not the smartest move, anyways. Doesn't really make any sense.

 

[FeiRR]

No those games were "patched" by MS and their BC team. Well I do have a very good idea, about that because I spend some time QAing at Warhorse with their game of Kingdom Come: Deliverance.

Then you should know that a patched game has to go through QA too. And it's not a one day job.

 

[M1chl]

Then you should know that a patched game has to go through QA too. And it's not a one day job.

Totally, I did say anything about that, but if you have dedicated QA team (which goes for MS, Sony, Nintendo), then you should not bother OG devs, if the publisher greenlights your effort.

 

[geordiemp]

I mean, pre-ordering a video game console is not the smartest move, anyways. Doesn't really make any sense.

Tell that to the 35,000 people in front of me to get a ps5 online from UK Currys yesterday. Its a frenzy Chaos out there.

 

[FeiRR]

Totally, I did say anything about that, but if you have dedicated QA team (which goes for MS, Sony, Nintendo), then you should not bother OG devs, if the publisher greenlights your effort.

They need source code so it's both a technical and legal problem. That's why less than 1/3 of X360 games got a BC patch. With HW BC between current and next gen, that ratio will be much, much higher, near 100%

 

[Business]

It's hard to understand what's going on at Sony. The way there are communicating the most basic things is utter shit.

Since they haven't said anything about patching at least their 1st party games to PS5 you'd assume they are doing nothing. Then again they had an event Wednesday and they didn't say anything about the extent of PS4 compatibility with PS5 even when they were showing this PS+ Collection thing, or they didn't even mention that Demon Soul's or Spiderman were launch games just after they showed them. They confirmed both things the next day iirc, I guess after they found out people were asking. I mean these are two basic pieces of 'good news' that you'd expect they'd be happy to share, but apparently not.

 

[M1chl]

They need source code so it's both a technical and legal problem. That's why less than 1/3 of X360 games got a BC patch. With HW BC between current and next gen, that ratio will be much, much higher, near 100%

They actually do not need any sort of source code, every X1X enhanced BC is just cheat by the emulator, that's why many of the Nintendo games could be ran at higher res or/and FPS on PC with Dolphin. DF talked about that in the past and there are probably more articles on this. It's the same principe how DarkSouls PC port, Durante Fix came into fruition. OG version ran at 720p and neogaf/ree user was able to bump that up within hours of release.

 

[FranXico]

What I DO want from Sony is a list of games that will be able to utilise the boost feature to improve framerates, if every game won't be able to take advantage of it. If this is a system level feature (similar to the Pro's boost mode) that automatically enhances games and requires little to no extra work from devs, then I hope this is something Sony implements on a system level to improve the performance of as many games as possible.

Pretty much every game that had an unlocked framerate option, I would assume.

 

[FranXico]

Face it, Boost Mode on PS5 is a microtransaction.

Boost mode is just letting the better CPU cope with unlocked framerates better. Nothing to do with upgrades, paid or not.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It's hard to understand what's going on at Sony. The way there are communicating the most basic things is utter shit.

Since they haven't said anything about patching at least their 1st party games to PS5 you'd assume they are doing nothing. Then again they had an event Wednesday and they didn't say anything about the extent of PS4 compatibility with PS5 even when they were showing this PS+ Collection thing, or they didn't even mention that Demon Soul's or Spiderman were launch games just after they showed them. They confirmed both things the next day iirc, I guess after they found out people were asking. I mean these are two basic pieces of 'good news' that you'd expect they'd be happy to share, but apparently not.

It’s not Sony employees not knowing what to do.

it’s Sony employees knowing exactly what they are doing.

in the past half year, some criticisms are:

1. Where’s the console? Where’s the hands on tear down or game site doing testing.

Still don’t have it except for official dimensions.

Why? Too chicken to show it’s giant.

2. Where’s the info on BC and what happens to old games? Like MS detailing for One X or Series X old games can get res or FPS boosts or whatever where this video shows a 360 game doubling from 30 to 60 etc...

Why? It’s probably going to be all boring legacy BC.

3. These games are PS5. No wait, a Sony blog article done the same day as the show in paragraph 5 says they are PS4. Horizon 2, Miles, Sackboy game. Insomniac comes out of nowhere on Twitter to say Miles is PS4 the same day too.

Why? Kills their BS narrative about generations and would piss down PS5 hype if gamers knew Horizon 2 and Miles were cross gen at their June show.

don’t be surprised if GT7 and Ragnarok are too.

the only game so far they seem confident as PS5 only is R&C as they explained the time warp transition thing.

 

[mejin]

Sometimes I think you guys do not want BC, but a remaster for free.

Let's be honest...this is not something MS offers either. There is no level of reworking as Spider-Man will get. Bloodborne will probably be another one to get a remaster too.

Anyway, It's pretty clear Sony will offer some free patches for some games, but it is not their focus.

They are not trying to convince you "Hey, buy this new console to play the best versions of your old games!"

Did they ever say it? Then, who did? Now you know your answer...different approaches.

Meanwhile, Nintendo is selling Mario poor emulation for $60....

 

[FeiRR]

They actually do not need any sort of source code, every X1X enhanced BC is just cheat by the emulator, that's why many of the Nintendo games could be ran at higher res or/and FPS on PC with Dolphin. DF talked about that in the past and there are probably more articles on this. It's the same principe how DarkSouls PC port, Durante Fix came into fruition. OG version ran at 720p and neogaf/ree user was able to bump that up within hours of release.

You put those solutions in the same bag but they are very much different. DSFix, for example, is a DX wrapper and it's on PC so there's no need to sign executables like on consoles. Emulators have various techniques to upres too.

Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious that for people interested in old games, Xbox offers a lot more than Playstation and vice versa.

 

[TonyK]

What's with the sudden expectation that businesses are going to throw hundreds of thousands of dollars to give free updates to old games? Just being allowed to deliver the update is probably going to cost them at least 10k per platform. This is the first real internet enabled generation with real backwards compatibility at launch and both companies put money up to do it already to make this happen and now you want them to take it to another level and spend a bunch of money giving you free upgrades to their games?

Yes, it's what I expect because It's how PC has worked during 20 years. You change your graphic card you upgrade graphics for your old games. I think we've arrived a point this must be done also on consoles.

 

[M1chl]

You put those solutions in the same bag but they are very much different. DSFix, for example, is a DX wrapper and it's on PC so there's no need to sign executables like on consoles. Emulators have various techniques to upres too.

Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious that for people interested in old games, Xbox offers a lot more than Playstation and vice versa.

I did not wanted to be in any case disrespectful with our chat in here. It's obvious, that Xbo are using Direct X to smooth out the hardship of doing such things and so on. You know you have to have resources to do this kind of thing.

 

[yurinka]

Yeah they need to start talking about boost mode and what it will offer.
I think they said they have tested 100s of games in boost mode (which would likely mean you don't need a patch for increased fps) but it would be good to get some actual examples and concrete information.

I was able to get a pre-order for the PS5 but other than Miles Morales UE, not much else interests me. What had me excited about getting a PS5 at launch was that I expected at least Sony to come out with some patches for PS4 games to boost resolution/framerate. It would be fun to replay some of these games at 60fps. At the very least I was expecting announcements for TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima since they were launching just a few months before the PS5. I guess there's always games that have unlocked framerate options, like FFXV or God of War which should boost to a stable 60fps on PS5 without a patch, though they will be limited to 1080p

I just think it's shitty of Sony not to tell us if and when patches are coming.

Jim Ryan said that 99% of the thousands of PS4 games (PS4+PSVR have 4000+ games) they tested work on the PS5 BC.

The PS5 website says PS5BC features a boost mode, as PS4 Pro did, that will give games higher or more stable framerates. : 'Enjoy faster and smoother frame rates in select PS4 and PS VR games.'

So I assume day 1 basically all PS4 games will run on BC with a higher framerate if they have unlocked framerate or more stable if they have a capped framerate. And this without needing a patch.

As I know they still didn't mention if that boost mode also speeds up loading times for BC games, or if they have something for PS5 similar to DLSS 2.0 or some other next gen evolution of the checkerboard upscaling, but it would be nice to apply it to BC games if possible too from a OS level without requiring a patch from devs. It would be great.

 

[KaiserBecks]

I don't expect anything to be free. If the publishers do give away a free patch, it's a nice bonus, but I will never demand it or be faux outraged over it on the internet. Game development is a business, not a fucking charity.

Free Upgrade patches attract people who haven‘t tried the game before. So even if it may seem to be a nice bonus to you, it‘s actually a smart business decision.