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[BabyfaceRe]

I've never seen hellblade 2 as a series X exclusive, you have a source. Again as recent as 4 days ago it was confirmed that this is not the case, unless u dont expect to see that game for atleast 2 years as well ? Yeah I skipped the medium sorry, I showed is as much attention as the community has so far , zero.
Well that is certainly your opinion and not one I have seen repeated anywhere else , infact I'd argue a lot of ppl were a little dissatisfied with halo infinite.
It's fine to make comparisons here, 1st party studios should be compared to other first party studios. You seem to generally just not like comparing things which is cool, for you.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I hope its not perfect dark.

Just curious, why don't you want it to be Perfect Dark?

The Bombcast from a few weeks back had all the hosts scoff at the idea of a new Perfect Dark, but no one gave a reason why.

 

[Bernkastel]

I've never seen hellblade 2 as a series X exclusive, you have a source. Again as recent as 4 days ago it was confirmed that this is not the case, unless u dont expect to see that game for atleast 2 years as well ? Yeah I skipped the medium sorry, I showed is as much attention as the community has so far , zero.
Well that is certainly your opinion and not one I have seen repeated anywhere else , infact I'd argue a lot of ppl were a little dissatisfied with halo infinite.
It's fine to make comparisons here, 1st party studios should be compared to other first party studios. You seem to generally just not like comparing things which is cool, for you.

They mention Xbox One in the official page if it is coming to Xbox One. Even the trailer for Hellblade II only showed Series X.
Not coming to Xbox One

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Senua's Saga: Hellblade II - Coming Soon to Console & Game Pass | Xbox

Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2, coming to Xbox and Game Pass on May 21st.

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Scorn is set in a nightmarish universe of odd forms and somber tapestry.

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Coming to Xbox One

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Yeah I skipped the medium sorry, I showed is as much attention as the community has so far , zero.

I still dont know why I should take the opinion of your community ?

Well that is certainly your opinion and not one I have seen repeated anywhere else , infact I'd argue a lot of ppl were a little dissatisfied with halo infinite.

Most of the so called people also say its a 2015 game built for 2015 hardware. If you take away the fact that its coming to Xbox One, graphically the E3 2019 looks one most gorgeous next gen games. But "Its coming to Xbox One, so its bad by default" is not an argument.

 

[BabyfaceRe]

We are talking first party btw.

From that page you linked in fairness it hellblade seems X exclusive but if u match that with Phil's comments of NO first party exclusives coming to series X then we wont see that game for atleast 18 months after launch. Which is something I think most ppl were hoping to see at launch, so another title we can erase from the potential launch window of series X which sucks.

I want xbox to win out but I'm extremely skeptical at this point.

 

[Dory16]

We are talking first party btw.

From that page you linked in fairness it hellblade seems X exclusive but if u match that with Phil's comments of NO first party exclusives coming to series X then we wont see that game for atleast 18 months after launch. Which is something I think most ppl were hoping to see at launch, so another title we can erase from the potential launch window of series X which sucks.

I want xbox to win out but I'm extremely skeptical at this point.

They just need to succeed and they have done all what's required for that. Them winning (or losing for that matter) won't change your life.

 

[R3claimer117]

They confirmed it as recent as 4 days ago "Microsoft will not release any first-party games exclusively on the Series X for the "next couple of years." And it's been stated multiple times.


Why ? Because xbox exclusive are very thin and they need everything they can get, forza is a great franchise for bringing in fans of driving sims whereas halo n gears will only bring in fans of those franchises ( I'm a big gears fan and even I'm a bit fatigued with that franchise now). Also bright memory is not exclusive, so irrelevant.

What's wrong with that narrative? Comparing this console and its line up with its closest competitor seems like THE narrative. Comparing apples with apples mate.

Phil Spencer all so said a few days ago that it’s up to the individual studios and if they want to make a series x exclusive they can.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I still dont know where they got that. Its a speculation made on hype(ERA hype to be exact). I always said it would be Coalition, and Initiative is doing that Mark Lawrence game.

Three sources.

"The Initiatives unannounced game features weapons, gadgets and a camera surveillance system". This sounds pretty sci fi and perhaps Perfect Darkish.

Then we had this Tweet from Phil Spencer...



And Jeff Grubb Tweeted this...



I think there's legitimate smoke here.

 

[Bernkastel]

Three sources.

"The Initiatives unannounced game features weapons, gadgets and a camera surveillance system". This sounds pretty sci fi and perhaps Perfect Darkish.

Then we had this Tweet from Phil Spencer...



And Jeff Grubb Tweeted this...



I think there's legitimate smoke here.

Both Phil and Matt Booty have also hinted that Initiative is working on a new IP. So your only source is Jeff Grub responding to Era hype. I will give you something better.

Drew Murray liked this tweet.

Now we are getting somewhere

Perfect Dark rumors predate The Initiative studio. I have a feeling that Rare and Coalition are working on it, like Rare and Double Helix worked on Killer Instinct.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Both Phil and Matt Booty have also hinted that Initiative is working on a new IP. So your only source is Jeff Grub responding to Era hype. I will give you something better.

Perfect Dark rumors predate The Initiative studio. I have a feeling that Rare and Coalition are working on it, like Rare and Double Helix worked on Killer Instinct.

We have this too. I'm pretty sure Jeff Grubb said essentially the same thing on his podcast from a week or two back. Spiritual successor to Perfect Dark / New game set in the Perfect Dark universe.

 

[Bernkastel]

We have this too. I'm pretty sure Jeff Grubb said essentially the same thing on his podcast from a week or two back. Spiritual successor to Perfect Dark / New game set in the Perfect Dark universe.

And you responded with a XboxEra podcast.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

And you responded with a XboxEra podcast.

No, Jeff Grubb says pretty explicitly in his "Bakugen" podcast from two weeks ago. He says definitively that it's a 3rd person stealth action game set in the Perfect Dark universe.

I'll trust Jeff Grubb until he's wrong.

 

[Bernkastel]

No, Jeff Grubb says pretty explicitly in his "Bakugen" podcast from two weeks ago. He says definitively that it's a 3rd person stealth action game set in the Perfect Dark universe.

I'll trust Jeff Grubb until he's wrong.

It was Era who first came up with this idea, way before Jeff Grub or Ryan from IGN.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

It was Era who first came up with this idea, way before Jeff Grub or Ryan from IGN.

Not sure how that's relavent but...ok?

 

[Bernkastel]

 

[BabyfaceRe]

Correct it wont change my life.

Its first party lineup does likely determine how many purchase the console(looking at the trend of current gen). That's important to us and most of all to xbox. Hopfully the initiative will get a showing even if it's a small vertical slice, xbox fans need to know this gen comes with great 1st party games early on and long term.

 

[abacab driver]

Thought they confirmed no series X exclusive games for atleast 2 years ?

Shame they ain't building something from the ground up for series X, have 90% of stuff be cross gen is great but thier should be atleast some stuff that is only possible on the X.

I think you should judge with your eyes on the 23rd instead of worrying about the nuances of cross gen development.

For instance..Ratchet Rift Apart and GT7 are (apparently) PS5 exclusive, but my eyes clearly tell me (and many others, though most won't admit) that they can run on the PS4. If not the PS4, the PS4 Pro for SURE.

If the Series X version(s) of 1st party games end up looking as good or better than Sony's, the fact that they're cross-gen literally doesn't matter unless you're just looking to spin it negatively (ie, blame any shortcomings of Microsoft's games on cross gen development).

Devs make sacrifices all the time unbeknownst to us (see: the flying mechanic in Horizon that was scrapped).
Thats actually not for us to 'worry' about before we get what we get.
Let these people execute something before you are disappointed with it.

 

[quickwhips]

Just curious, why don't you want it to be Perfect Dark?

The Bombcast from a few weeks back had all the hosts scoff at the idea of a new Perfect Dark, but no one gave a reason why.

Wanted a third person game from initiative not another fps. Was hoping some stealth like the last of us with a multiplayer focus.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Wanted a third person game from initiative not another fps. Was hoping some stealth like the last of us with a multiplayer focus.

Jeff Grubb called the new Perfect Dark game a "third person stealth action" game two weeks ago.

I think your hopes (mine too) are most likely exactly what we're getting.

Sounds like it may not necessarily be called "Perfect Dark" though.

 

[BabyfaceRe]

Well I completely disagree with you about Ratchet as world hopping with that graphical fidelity is clearly not current gen possible, the bells and whistles on gt7 are also not possible, you should checkout out Digital Foundary break down they are really good.

I'm not worried about looks at all tbh, I actually understand how games are made and graphics have always been very malleable settings(look at PC forever) . But, and it's a bit BUT; if your game is built with running on current gen in mind then you may have have to allow certain core mechanics. For example ratchets world jumping, u couldn't even build it coz current couldn't run it, if you had a mechanic that was based off ray trace tech or 10k units on screen or whatever. Graphics are never stifled through cross gen, never have been , but creativity can be.

Having said all that, I'm quite happy with current gen games and it has legs still, I mean cypberpunk is goty regardless right? So yeah we'll see in the 23rd, I'm pumped but I pray I see something completely impossible on my Xone S.

 

[eastwood333]

Well I completely disagree with you about Ratchet as world hopping with that graphical fidelity is clearly not current gen possible, the bells and whistles on gt7 are also not possible, you should checkout out Digital Foundary break down they are really good.

I'm not worried about looks at all tbh, I actually understand how games are made and graphics have always been very malleable settings(look at PC forever) . But, and it's a bit BUT; if your game is built with running on current gen in mind then you may have have to allow certain core mechanics. For example ratchets world jumping, u couldn't even build it coz current couldn't run it, if you had a mechanic that was based off ray trace tech or 10k units on screen or whatever. Graphics are never stifled through cross gen, never have been , but creativity can be.

Having said all that, I'm quite happy with current gen games and it has legs still, I mean cypberpunk is goty regardless right? So yeah we'll see in the 23rd, I'm pumped but I pray I see something completely impossible on my Xone S.

Ratchet would need some downscaling (loading screens, lower resolution, no ray tracing, and other effects lowered) Same applies to GT7.

This is the same arguement being made with Halo Infinite. It's being developed for XSX in mind, and will be downscaled to run on XB1. Examples-lower resolution, lower framerates, no ray tracing, less foliage/detail/draw distance,etc...

 

[BabyfaceRe]

I completely agree with gt7 and halo.

But Ratchet is the prime example (so far) , I u add loading screens to world hopping, as we saw in the demo, it ceases to be a mechanic. You cant downscale it to work on a ps4, could u imagine that gameplay with a load screen everytime he jumps.

It's a baked in next gen mechanic, power can influence design. I assume that's we all want to see, not just things be more pretty, real tangible difference.

I realise I'm coming across as a bit of an xbox hater but on far from it, I just believe thier is a certain bar for what to expect from next gen and I hope they hit it with atleast a few games.

 

[Bernkastel]

 

[abacab driver]

But Ratchet is the prime example (so far) , I u add loading screens to world hopping, as we saw in the demo, it ceases to be a mechanic. You cant downscale it to work on a ps4, could u imagine that gameplay with a load screen everytime he jumps.

I say this respectfully..but given the loading time we just saw with that Astro Bot Playground demo, I can't honestly say that world-hopping/loading section in the Ratchet trailer was what were led to believe it is.
I'm more inclined to think it wasnt loading entire levels..rather it was loading small slices of different environments in a canned/on rails sequence.

The teleportation in the *gameplay* demo can easily be done on Ps4 no problem.

 

[Bernkastel]

But Ratchet is the prime example (so far) , I u add loading screens to world hopping, as we saw in the demo, it ceases to be a mechanic. You cant downscale it to work on a ps4, could u imagine that gameplay with a load screen everytime he jumps.

It's a baked in next gen mechanic, power can influence design. I assume that's we all want to see, not just things be more pretty, real tangible difference.

The Medium has instant switching between two worlds, its part of the gameplay and story, not some gimmick. Scorn needs to be 4K 60 fps with PC visuals. These are next gen games not possible in current gen. But ultimately for many cases just because something is next gen only does not mean it cant run on current gen. Halo Infinite is visually stunning and very ambitious, denying that because "Its coming to Xbox One" is wrong.

 

[BabyfaceRe]

Dude come one. The medium does NOT switch worlds in the same way ratchet does, apples and oranges. Scorn does NOT need to run at 4k/60fps , not sure why you would say that. Scorn can run on current gen the devs them self have said that and it was announced about 3 years ago with no mention of mandatory 60fps/4k.

What you're saying is just not true sorry.

 

[Bernkastel]

Scorn does NOT need to run at 4k/60fps , not sure why you would say that. Scorn can run on current gen the devs them self have said that and it was announced about 3 years ago with no mention of mandatory 60fps/4k.

And you dont know what you are talking about.

Scorn Interview: Delving Inside the Xbox Series X Exclusive

We're delving deep inside the Xbox Series X exclusive horror-adventure Scorn. It's a deeply intriguing title that has many inspirations, but what do the devs have to say?

mspoweruser.com

“We learned every lesson two times over. It almost feels unreal with how much confidence and how much ignorance we went into all of this. If at the beginning someone could project to your mind how much you don’t know, and would need to learn, you would probably just be too paralysed to start at all. Basically 80% of that part of the game you saw has changed, let alone the rest of the game.”

Steam's specs are outdated and refer to an older version.

Scorn Is an Xbox Series X Console Exclusive Because It “Enables Parity With the PC Version of the Game”

gamingbolt.com

It’s very simple,” Peklar told us when we asked them about the game’s console exclusivity. “Good performance of the game is important to us. Xbox Series X is a very capable hardware that enables parity with the PC version of the game. We can’t discuss any info regarding PlayStation.”

Later on in the interview, Peklar also reiterated that on the Xbox Series X, Scorn will run at 4K and 60 FPS.

Dude come one. The medium does NOT switch worlds in the same way ratchet does, apples and oranges.

What you're saying is just not true sorry.

We dont know how they implement it. No need to push your own insecurities on this thread.

 

[BabyfaceRe]

Where is the confirmation that it HAS to run at 4k/60fps ?

They clearly state that's what they want it to run at not what is HAS to run at, there is zero mechanical tie to frame rate in that game therefore it does NOT need to run at high frames. That game would work at 30 fact, wont be as smooth but will work.

I stand validated.

I love it when people call others insecure. If you think this has to run at 60 you dont understand how games are made sorry dude.

 

[Bernkastel]

I wont bother answering anymore. If you just came here for people to validate your opinion, then replying to you is not worth the effort. I can further clarify, but theres no point on bothering.

 

[BabyfaceRe]

Scorn does not require 60fps to function. I'm not looking for validation, I'm trying to stop you spreading false information.
It's misleading.

 

[Stuart360]

Er Scorn could not run on current gen, the devs never said that at all. I have been following the game for years (Giger fan). It was being made with high end PC's in mind, and was purposely NOT being made for consoles as they didnt want the game being held back, and to mess with their vision for the game.. Its only releasing on the XSX because it has the power for it, and the devs, as far as i know, were struggling financially and Microsoft came in with support.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

What does this argument have to do with the Initiative?

 

[BabyfaceRe]

They actually did say they didnt want to waste time building on current gen because it would be lower quality (I.e. lower frames and res)

That is NOT the same as saying the game is only possible on next gen. It means the specs they want are only possible on next gen. Those two things shouldn't be conflated.
I just dont like people spreading false information.

(Last thing I say on this promise. Back to initiative hype )

 

[PresetError]

Can't find an OT thread ..

"It's a cool starting in the garage story" - Developer from the first AAAA studio. LOL.

 

[HaveButOneLife]

Just curious, why don't you want it to be Perfect Dark?

The Bombcast from a few weeks back had all the hosts scoff at the idea of a new Perfect Dark, but no one gave a reason why.

Perfect Dark Zero is your answer, and why not just let Rare make it?

 

[Bernkastel]

 

[Bernkastel]

"It's a cool starting in the garage story" - Developer from the first AAAA studio. LOL.

Because the team started from scratch. At that time OP was posted, they didnt even have their own studio yet.

 

[nikolino840]

Need people at initiative...during covid is hard in US...

 

[nikolino840]

Darrell Gallagher on LinkedIn: Careers - THE INITIATIVE | 10 comments

I’m very excited to share some of the latest newcomers to team Initiative. Welcome to the studio, we are thrilled to have you on board!! Justin Perez, Daniel… | 10 comments on LinkedIn

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I’m very excited to share some of the latest newcomers to team Initiative. Welcome to the studio, we are thrilled to have you on board!!
Justin Perez, Daniel Steamer, Francisco Aisa García, Kurt Loudy, Anthony Silva, Yuka Murata, Christine Thompson, Fabian Elmers, Remi Lacoste, Richard Burns, Sylvia Chambers, Nicole Plum, Jonathan Chavez, Joey Tan, Elaina Scott, Jon Lew

 

[D.Final]

Need people at initiative...during covid is hard in US...

I'm glad that the working still goes on

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

"We're hiring" is code for "Our game is still 3 years away".

 

[Bernkastel]

"We're hiring" is code for "Our game is still 3 years away".

They are not hiring ninjas. The studio website will advertise open job positions.

 

[Bernkastel]

 

[nikolino840]

 

[Andodalf]

TFW no Daddy game dev to help you go to sleep

 

[turtlepowa]

So most likely no splatter M 17+ game

 

[JimiNutz]

So most likely no splatter M 17+ game

Fuck I was really hoping for Perfect Dark.
Maybe this build doesn't have blood and they will add it later?

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Cant wait to see what this studio is cooking up!

 

[Flintty]

Did he make her sign an NDA?

 

[martino]

so it will probably be a rated T game

 

[Starfield]

enhance the eye reflections