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Digital Foundry's John: Been talking to developers, people will be pleasantly surprised with PS5's results
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If it bothers you ignore it. It's really that simple.
geordiemp
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Its not speculation, google and click the links on L2 and L1 recent patents from AMD. Caches make a huge difference to performance, papers even give you percentages.
We dont know what Ps5 is doing here....so NO you do not know the full performance specs.
I expect both consoles to perform similar, I always have and to within+/- 10 % or so and likely small effects difference, one puddle having a better reflection or so either way.
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Jon Neu
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Sony fanboys are simply too obsessed, they want everybody to catter to Sony at the extreme and all the time. There's no room for criticism, that's a sin and turns you into a sinner.
Whenever a comparison or opinion disfavours Sony in whatever minimal aspect, then their full extremist mentality is unloaded unto those who dared wrong Mommy Sony.
So when a team like DF tries to do objective analysis, that inevitably mess with the fanboys who in return try to destroy the credibility of DF to invalidate their objective analysis.
MaulerX
Member
If "we don't know what PS5 is doing here" then everything you said is the very definition of speculation.
Like I said MS has PS5 dev kits and they sure as hell do.
geordiemp
Member
Well if you want hard performance numbers, go look at DF on XSX, XSX getting 75 % more performance than a XB1X in Sekiro or Hitman 3.
Where does that get you ? MS said its because its not optimised for RDNA2, its a phrase we will here allot of next year and its not very clever PR statement really but thats another topic.
I could give you my thoughts but you dont want to hear them.
Be happy we have to next gen consoles that are great and will perform similar.
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Ok. Which devs? Did he say? Sony first party devs maybe? No wonder then.
I remember when Jason Schreier said something similar:
wccftech.com
So superior. And so good.
But in which way? Can’t say!
who said it? Can’t say!
very believable. Same as believing in generations.
I want the RECEIPTS please.
I remember when Jason Schreier said something similar:
Schreier: Multiple Devs Are Telling Me PS5 Is Superior to Xbox Series X in Several Ways Despite Spec
Despite Xbox Series X's apparently higher specifications, multiple developers are reportedly saying PS5 is superior in several ways.
wccftech.com
So superior. And so good.
But in which way? Can’t say!
who said it? Can’t say!
very believable. Same as believing in generations.
I want the RECEIPTS please.
notseqi
Member
Would be PCMR or a Switchyboii shitting on next gen of course.What happens if someone not involved in consoles were to make the thread. Would the universe implode?
MaulerX
Member
Yea man you're talking out of your rear now. You're speculating and that's fine. But don't pass it as fact. The specs are set in stone because they will not be changing from what they are. You want to speculate of potential secret sauces go ahead. Not going on a teeter totter with you like PS5s variable frequency.
Bo_Hazem
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That's why John might get himself fired if he continues his positivity towards PS5, just see how all of them laughed sarcastically.
anothertech
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Great to hear
Lysandros
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Maybe we can use RX 5700 XT as a reference. It has 4 MB of L2 cache and 512 KB of L1 cache (4x128kb) in total. I did a bit of googling and it seems to have 64 KB of L0 cache for each CU. So if i am not mistaken the sum of all caches is around 7 MB. A projected / theoretical RDNA1 GPU with 80 CU's would have double of this number, so arround 14 MB. If AMD increased that number to 128 MB for its discrete 80 CU RDNA 2 GPU that's quite an amount i think.
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El Pistolero
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geordiemp
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I am not talking out of my rear, try to be civil and polite. Here is a capture from XSX DF analysis. Whats made up about it ?
Res is 1800p
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Mildudon
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A Most Virtuous Cat
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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Digital Fondry trying to say something nice about PS5 when they absolutely hate the brand and are pro PC and pro MS. I mean, it's ok to have preferences but they should not act like if they were journalist whith no bias when they are fan boys.
FrankWza
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True. Add 4K UHD blu ray player to my $500. I’m locked into the Disc Edition. My mistake
pasterpl
Member
ds and MM being the best launch lineup? Seriously?
_Spr_Drnk
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You sound exactly like the 'fanboys' you are trying to criticise.
I personally think DF have been very fair. The 'bias' that people perceive is because they love reporting on any new gaming tech, in depth, and get excited by it. As Sony have declined to release a fraction of the info MS have in the run up to the next gen, it makes their excitement to report on MS' tech look like bias when it isn't. That's on Sony.
I think people will be surprised at how much power the PS5 will bring when its features as a whole are taken into account.
Just to wrap this comment up I'd like to see the following words a bannable offence:
Salty/fanboi/moneyhatting/shill.
Makes anyone using them sound like they're in a playground.
FrankWza
Member
yup. In 3 generations.
write in your best launch lineup.
Also, you just pointed out the two, day 1 console exclusives they’re releasing. There’s other games at launch. But, yeah, where else do you get at least 2 games day 1 that showcase a new systems capabilities? a FromSoft game day with instant loading at 60fps to show what the SSD can do and a game that uses Ray Tracing. Day 1
FranXico
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Just watch the first few seconds of this:That's why John might get himself fired if he continues his positivity towards PS5, just see how all of them laughed sarcastically.
Childish trolling of the PS5 and PS fans, using the Chad Warren meme. After a bit, John was getting embarrassed by their unprofessional console warring. "It's not working", he said
Bo_Hazem
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Jon Neu
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Well, here we go with the sempiternal "and you too!".
DF destroyed the Xbox One, they mock it and heavily criticise it like no other console ever. But you didn't hear me here calling them Sony fanboys, searching for "little clues" in their videos that "proof" their anti evil MS bias and making salty jabs at them through every random thread across the forum like literally dozens and dozens of Sony fanboys do.
Not only I accept criticism of Xbox when it's fair, but I'm probably the first and most vocal in those criticisms to begin with.
I am not talking out of my rear, try to be civil and polite. Here is a capture from XSX DF analysis. Whats made up about it ?
Res is 1800p
Probably PS5 BC will be worse. But if they would have test this first on PS5 and would have this same performance, we would have a ton of comments, tweets, and videos on Youtube about PS5 being underpowered and incapable to run current gen games to 4k/60fps. Maybe this is because Sony is pretty silent.
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cireza
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I laughed way too much at this.My dad likes to talk with his hands too and I got hit in the face a few times accidentally.
The Hamburglar
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Some of you are so upset that you need to keep repeating ‘but but I thought they are Xbox shills’
At the end of the day they are a video game news outlet and will report on stuff that will get them clicks (it makes them money). This doesn’t mean they Dont have their own inherent bias, most places do.
ign and polygon have consistently shown how much they favour Xbox for example.
leadbutter has consistory shown what a Xbox fan boy he is and is rewarded as such. If any of you actually did any research then DF and euro gamer have shown A more favourly bias towards Xbox. Leadbutter himself couldn’t stop with the secret sauce and circle jerk over Xbox one pre release. Then it launched and failed massively to the competition.
even with the 1080p vs 720p at the start of the gen euro gamer articles would put positive spin on Xbox.
The DF are Xbox shills narrative hasn’t come out of nowhere, there’s a long history of it - doesn’t mean they can’t post positive Sony story’s as well.
At the end of the day they are a video game news outlet and will report on stuff that will get them clicks (it makes them money). This doesn’t mean they Dont have their own inherent bias, most places do.
ign and polygon have consistently shown how much they favour Xbox for example.
leadbutter has consistory shown what a Xbox fan boy he is and is rewarded as such. If any of you actually did any research then DF and euro gamer have shown A more favourly bias towards Xbox. Leadbutter himself couldn’t stop with the secret sauce and circle jerk over Xbox one pre release. Then it launched and failed massively to the competition.
even with the 1080p vs 720p at the start of the gen euro gamer articles would put positive spin on Xbox.
The DF are Xbox shills narrative hasn’t come out of nowhere, there’s a long history of it - doesn’t mean they can’t post positive Sony story’s as well.
Jon Neu
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yurinka
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Can't wait to see comparisions of Cyberpunk, AC Valhalla, Watchdogs, Legion, NBA 2K21, CoD, the BC and so on in both performance and loading times.
I expect them to load way faster on PS5, and to have very similar performance in both, with only some minimal advantages in fps, resolution or detail (and maybe some effect that most players will only notice in side to side comparisions specially when paused and zoomed) in a console or the another depending on the game.
I expect them to load way faster on PS5, and to have very similar performance in both, with only some minimal advantages in fps, resolution or detail (and maybe some effect that most players will only notice in side to side comparisions specially when paused and zoomed) in a console or the another depending on the game.
No lies detected here
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Azurro
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Really? They have always been extremely kind to the Xbox One, accepting its lower performance but mostly sweeping it under the rug. They are very close to MS and are big fans of the PC and MS platforms and usually dislike Sony. I don't know why you are so sensitive about this, it's true.
Jon Neu
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Really? Sony fans invent a conspiracy in which DF favours MS and attacks Sony, but I'm the sensitive one for pointing out the ridiculousness of that cancel like mentality of Sony fans?
Amazing.
Ar¢tos
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What is your source/proof that MS has ps5 dev kits?
Dev kits are sent to studios, not mother companies, and under strict NDAs.
The only MS studio likely to be able to even request a Devkit would be Mojang, but so far they have said nothing about a ps5 version of Minecraft.
The opposite is more likely to be true, since Sony San Diego is confirmed to be making MLB for XSS/XSX too.
Azurro
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Conspiracy? It's pretty well known since the PS3/Xbox 360 days, slight improvement in performance or resolution would be talked very favourably towards the 360, while when the reverse situation arrived, where PS4 being particularly stronger than Xbox One by a larger margin, it was swept a bit under the rug.
I mean, they are big fans of the PC and MS has invited them to unveil the Xbox One X, you don't think they have a very good working relationship with MS? Leadbetter has always been a fan of them and kinda holds his biases back a bit, which can't be said about the german guy. The most genuine and unbiased person there is John imo, but if we are talking about DF being Richard's baby, then yeah, it's pretty biased towards MS.
FunkMiller
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I think it’s pretty obvious DF probably like the guys at Microsoft more, because of the relationship they’ve fostered with them over the years. They clearly don’t have a close relationship with Sony, for whatever reason. It’s therefore perfectly understandable that it comes across that they are more positive about XBox, because if you’re friendly with someone, that’s always going to be the case. This should be regarded as a triumph of Microsoft PR, rather than a criticism of DF.
To accuse them of the kind of obvious and console warring bias displayed by other YouTubers though is grossly unfair. They clearly don’t do that.
I’ve expressed the opinion that all outlets should declare all freebies and perks received, or should refuse everything, if they wish to be regarded as an independent or trustworthy source.
To accuse them of the kind of obvious and console warring bias displayed by other YouTubers though is grossly unfair. They clearly don’t do that.
I’ve expressed the opinion that all outlets should declare all freebies and perks received, or should refuse everything, if they wish to be regarded as an independent or trustworthy source.
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Riky
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If you look at some games like Battlefront 2 for example the X1X outperforms the pS4 Pro by a far wider margin than the GPU specs, probably because of memory bandwidth as well.
Same case here XSX has a better GPU, Faster CPU and faster memory bandwidth. So the gaps could actually be bigger than just the GPU.
Same case here XSX has a better GPU, Faster CPU and faster memory bandwidth. So the gaps could actually be bigger than just the GPU.
Jon Neu
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There's literally no point in arguing when you are literally making stuff up and correlating everything with the idea that suits your bias best and makes you more comfortable.
It would be like trying to discuss with a christian while the cristian tells me that the existence of the sun is proof of the existence of God.
pasterpl
Member
isnt ds remake made by blue point and not from Software?
also, in my opinion, previous PlayStation launches had strong lineups (motor storm, killzone, resistance etc.) with new ip’s etc.
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digoutyoursoul
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Always makes me laugh the bias stuff, considering John once stated on this very forum that he wished Microsoft had never entered this industry. A quick post edit followed of course.
martino
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you want to know their opinion not from your ass and context-less cherry picking ?
watch the 1 million stream and
ex:
they are multiple example like that in there.
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Physiognomonics
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He clearly doesn't fit at DF. He really should leave now and do his own thing.That's why John might get himself fired if he continues his positivity towards PS5, just see how all of them laughed sarcastically.
Bo_Hazem
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I believe he'll easily survive alone.
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