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[Aguero9320]

Good video, ultimately pointless.

Big and basic design, but we already knew that. I have a wifi 6 router so happy about that, but again already knew it.

Come on Sony, time to stop hiding and let some people be truly hands on. You already sold out, what’s the worst that could happen?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Good video, ultimately pointless.

Big and basic design, but we already knew that. I have a wifi 6 router so happy about that, but again already knew it.

Come on Sony, time to stop hiding and let some people be truly hands on. You already sold out, what’s the worst that could happen?

Again for 100 time.ps4 and ps4 pro were sent to media 10 days before launch for review and hands on . Sony will do the same for ps5. There is no hiding . That's how their marketing team does it .

 

[Aguero9320]

If you publish videos where you nit pick over the ultra fine details of a game and go oh look this one is better than this one and blah blah blah you are fanning the flames of the console wars with the biggest pair of bellows going.

A clear case of you reap what you sow

More like a clear indicator that the internet is a cesspool.

They’re just doing their job, being harassed for it because their opinion is not as outrageously biased as some viewers is unacceptable.

Sadly if you don’t treat Sony as the second coming at all times it seems unavoidable.

 

[AgentP]

Make DF pre-order and pay for theirs. It would be hilarious if they only got one a month after release.

 

[FrankWza]

He mentioned it's 5.5 before hardware decompression is factored in, that is more than enough relevent information for this particular video.

Enough For you. For me, it’s part of a few things he left out. I guess if you’re not getting a PS5 it may not matter. I’m genuinely interested in hearing technical analysis and speculation and then seeing it applied or not applied. I never thought they needed to do a video on the teardown and were possibly too late to add anything new. But why leave things out?

 

[phil_t98]

I'm not yet convinced XSX SSD is any different. The below pic was used by a YouTuber to suggest it looked like it was easily replaceable but I'm not so sure that isn't just a CG cutaway to show the inside.

This real picture of the SSD from Austin Evans construction video makes it look like a sealed unit to me that is then soldered to the motherboard. Even if it isn't it still doesn't look easy or cheap to replace. I think both consoles could be expensive outside warranty if you are unlucky to have a SSD fail.

the top of that looks like it is easily prised off if you ask me. I have seen similar things on other electronics. I could be wrong, even if it does praise off dent mean its not solders

 

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[iHaunter]

Can sense the bitterness at the end. They are so sour that Sony hasn’t given them a console.

Yeah you can see it, surprised they caved and ended up making the breakdown. Was a good breakdown from Richard.

 

[phil_t98]

Make DF pre-order and pay for theirs. It would be hilarious if they only got one a month after release.

yeah but then you would be calling them out again for not doing videos on PS5

 

[Slings and Arrows]

That's one way to look at it. Though generally, I tend to consider systems that have to compact their components into tighter spaces (and still ensure regular performance and heat dissipation) as being somewhat more complicated to engineer. A lot of people are mistaken on some aspects of XSX from that system's teardown vid: MS added some magnetized components to the parts so that they'd stick together easily. I doubt an actual retail XSX would have those components (it would be neat if it did, though).

I still think it's up in the air which system actually runs quieter or cooler. Regarding the PS5 heatsink, they seemingly wanted vapor cooling levels of performance, but went with (what I'd assume is) a cheaper alternative with some custom engineering applied to save costs. But there's no telling how that'll work, and if some of the other things we've heard the past few days are true, PS5 has a higher ambient and full load operating temperature (by 3 degrees Celsius on both ends). Of course that only refers to heat generation; the actual fan setup could indeed help it run cooler, we'll just have to wait and see.

............

Interestingly Rich thinks PS5's APU is ~ 305mm^2 - 310mm^2. I know very early estimates were 320mm^2, and then on Twitter Rogame estimated it was actually 286mm^2 ! Hard to say who is right on this

Personally I think the XSX solution is fairly straightforward - build what is essentially a big chimney and house the components inside it; air through the bottom and put of the top. Though I'm sure I'm over simplifying it.

I think the ps5 'fins' are designed for maximum air pressure in to force it through all of the components.

It's cool though, two completely different design ideas. It's been a long time since we saw something more than a steammachine

 

[Allandor]

I'm not yet convinced XSX SSD is any different. The below pic was used by a YouTuber to suggest it looked like it was easily replaceable but I'm not so sure that isn't just a CG cutaway to show the inside.

This real picture of the SSD from Austin Evans construction video makes it look like a sealed unit to me that is then soldered to the motherboard. Even if it isn't it still doesn't look easy or cheap to replace. I think both consoles could be expensive outside warranty if you are unlucky to have a SSD fail.

There is just a metal cage around the SSD, like the other components have.
This should be just to easier spread the heat and maybe to reduce electrical interference from other high frequency components.

The thing is, this can be repaired quite easy if the SSD is broken. The worst problem that can occur there is that it is a non-standard SSD and you must send in the thing so MS can replace it. But it looks more or less like a normal m.2 slot with a tiny ssd.

If the PS5 SSD is broken, the whole board must be replaced because everything is soldered on it.

 

[intbal]

I've only skimmed through these PS5 videos, so forgive me if this was clearly stated, but did they ever give a weight for the console?
This tiny Japanese man didn't appear to be struggling to lift the full machine when he picked it up and moved it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I've only skimmed through these PS5 videos, so forgive me if this was clearly stated, but did they ever give a weight for the console?
This tiny Japanese man didn't appear to be struggling to lift the full machine when he picked it up and moved it.

PS5 coming in at 4.5kg (9.92 pounds) while the Xbox Series X weighs 4.45kg (9.8 pounds).

 

[Knitted Knight]

If you're a PlayStation fan and don't like what you see, don't give them clicks or watch.

Choice of words from Richard were purposefully picked. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[MrS]

If you're a PlayStation fan and don't like what you see, don't give them clicks or watch.

Choice of words from Richard were purposefully picked. Draw your own conclusions.

Don't beat around the bush: what are you saying? Haven't watched it yet and may not depending on your answer. Are they negative/salty because they didn't get one?

 

[Senua]

Don't beat around the bush: what are you saying?

Just another PS fanatical I reckon

 

[Button]

It's no wonder Sony didn't send them a PS5, as DF is increasingly looking like a Microsoft spokesman.

 

[Xellos]

Main thing I'm getting out of these videos is that Sony really did go the extra mile with the cooling. Looks good.

 

[Senua]

It's no wonder Sony didn't send them a PS5, as DF is increasingly looking like a Microsoft spokesman.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Don't beat around the bush: what are you saying? Haven't watched it yet and may not depending on your answer. Are they negative/salty because they didn't get one?

Bill already set the tone on the first page. Not gonna dwell on that. People who need to know certain things have what they need. DM's have circulated. Some are in the know, some are not.

 

[intbal]

PS5 coming in at 4.5kg (9.92 pounds) while the Xbox Series X weighs 4.45kg (9.8 pounds).

Thanks.

Wow. It's both larger and heavier than the Original Xbox.
I guess it can't be sold in Japan, then. Since we were constantly informed back then that Original Xbox was just too massive for Japanese homes.

 

[DarkMage619]

Bill already set the tone on the first page. Not gonna dwell on that. People who need to know certain things have what they need. DM's have circulated. Some are in the know, some are not.

DF does quality fair minded analysis. People clouded by their own personal biases fail to see that.

 

[FunkMiller]

It went about as I expected

Show off the XSX teardown they did

Call Sony a simpler and cheaper design

Take a shot at Sony for having a soldered SSD on the motherboard

Well done DF

I don’t believe for a second that DF are actually biased against Ps5 in comparison with XSX.

However, they are so incredibly salty about not being given Ps5, that much is obvious.

Getting a bit too big for their boots with those million subscribers. Won’t end well for them in the long run if they don’t curb the attitude that they’re entitled.

 

[FrankWza]

DF does quality fair minded analysis. People clouded by their own personal biases fail to see that.

If you're a PlayStation fan and don't like what you see, don't give them clicks or watch.

Choice of words from Richard were purposefully picked. Draw your own conclusions.

They just need to be more....interested

 

[Papacheeks]

I don’t believe for a second that DF are actually biased against Ps5 in comparison with XSX.

However, they are so incredibly salty about not being given Ps5, that much is obvious.

Getting a bit too big for their boots with those million subscribers. Won’t end well for them in the long run if they don’t curb the attitude that they’re entitled.

Attitude seems to come more from Alex. Guy also has had some questionable hot takes that John would never double down on like Alex seems to have. I also think Alex doesn't know as much as he thinks he does to be honest compared to Rich and john.

or should I say experience. John is very experienced in hardware from the 90's and on. Rich has been in the game for a long time.

Alex seems to have a good grasp and understanding to API's, engines, and graphic engineering. But seems to be mostly from a PC background since he came from web code.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Didn't learn anything new. Uninteresting video, outdated. Thanks to the more intelligent youtube channels out there with experienced people in tech that given extensive analysis of it.

 

[KingT731]

I went into this with a pretty empty mind and within the first 2 minutes MS is mentioned an astounding amount of times...There's almost as much time spent talking about the XSX as there is about the PS5.

 

[geordiemp]

Indeed. DF is such a beacon of professionalism.

Bit I liked was the technical descripion, instead of sayng the actual dimensions, or indeed he could reference its 20 % bigger than ps4 pro in length.

But all we got was its big, 3 times. Not sure if he is trying to be funny or what.

He then describes ps5 as narrow and fast, it has 4 shader arrays.

He then describes XSX as slower and wide, someone should tell him it also has 4 shader arrays.

Less I say about his technical description of the pCB board as big as well, the better....

For someone doing this as a profession, no more commenst are needed.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

The context. He’s applying it to SSD in a classic HD -sense. That’s not what they’re going for with PS5 and he knows it. We already know it’s crazy fast loading. It’s built into the system architecture and is being used to offset needs of the rest of the components.

They don't have the console at hand. Hell, they cannot even run a single application on it.
You can come up with any mythical idea how it might work, but we need to see in practice.

I swear some people think that PS5 cures cancer and people should realize that from the video done by 3rd party. Who knows really.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I don’t believe for a second that DF are actually biased against Ps5 in comparison with XSX.

However, they are so incredibly salty about not being given Ps5, that much is obvious.

Getting a bit too big for their boots with those million subscribers. Won’t end well for them in the long run if they don’t curb the attitude that they’re entitled.

They make more money if people send them things to review as it's far more interesting than watching a video about a video. It also helps them get things out in a timely fashion vs. waiting for stuff, which again.. makes them more money.

I don't understand why people fault them for "being salty" here. It's literally part of their job to try to get companies to send them stuff.

 

[papersleeves]

Quick résumé :

• Sony's strategy to provide carefully provided bits of information is generating massive amount of hype, puts it in contract to Microsoft's tactic to have journalists get a session with Series X designers and even have them build the Series X themselves
• The screw-able stand is fairly simple and is included with the console rather than sold separately; Series X, by design, do not have removable stand nor does it need one
• Appreciates the dust catching outlets easily accessible; notes that cleaning the PS4 in comparison was a significantly harder job as you need to dismantle the console, which required to void the warranty; Huge improvement
• M.2 storage bay. Different strategy than Microsoft when you have the bespoke 2TB unit from Seagate. On PS5, you have a choice of whitelisted third-party solutions. Richard seems concerned about the temperature of the m.2 SSD as m.2 units get hot rapidly and easily without any thermal solution (heatsink for example) and thus drop in performance rather linearly with temps, but he suspects that Sony thought of that and most likely have a solution for this that we have yet to see in the video, wonders if the main fan unit is helping the SSD cooling.
• Integrated SSD on mainboard ; cannot be replaced by the user. Stipulates that the compelling leak about usable space on the SSD (664GB), which contradict the fact that development kit has 620GB of usable space, is interested to see how this will turn out on final retail unit.
• Basic, toyota-like design. Conservative, but based on tried and tested principles. Fewer parts can be a really good thing in context of cost challenges
• 120x45mm fan unit. Smaller in size than Series X, but much thicker. Likes the custom design and believes there is no comparison on PC space.
• UHD blu-ray unit. First time in a Sony console. Dampeners to reduce vibrations. Similar work has been done on the One X console and believes the same will be true for Series X.
• Wifi6. 9.5gbps theoretical bandwidth limit. Unlikely we'll get that speed in real life condition. More interested by the fact that wifi6 is designed to reduce cross-talk between devices which leads to stronger connection, but you'll need a wireless setup with wireless devices capable of wifi6 to benefit from it.
• Really big motherboard. Puts it in contract to the 2 smaller superposed board of the Series X
• Talks about the size of the main chip die. Agrees that their estimate to eyeball the size of the Series X were a way out. Explains that the attempts to mesure the PS5 die size by comparing it to Samsung memory package size is somewhat useful to guestimate the size, but that the minutist of error when calculating via pixel count can lead to pretty big errors. 305-320mm2 is probably right on the money nonetheless. Same process as the Xbox Series X. Same underlying AMD technology. Same CPU technology, but reduced compute unit count. 2x extra GDDR6 controllers + more GPU area = ~44mm2 extra space on Series X. Fabric + Media Bloc and Tempest engine for 3D audio are unknown quantity. Richard believes that the PS5 die will be about as big as the PS4 Pro die (320mm2). Similar size, but tons of extra performance (smaller 7nm process, much higher clocks, much improved architecture, etc)
• Liquid Metal for PS5 thermal interface. thermal paste from PS4 was its weakest spot in its thermal solution. Compares the PS5's liquid metal to simply going nuclear. Most optimal thermal interface available for mass market device. Believes that Liquid Metal is a poor choice for mass market device due to all its intricacies but then notes that Sony is on their 5th console iterations with tons of experience, learned lots of lessons and thus not an issue at all.
• In his own word, "freakishly ginormous heatsink". No vapor chamber, but same performance due to its size and shape
• Obvious strategy: Blast SoC with tons of power, distribute that power between CPU and GPU according to load and then rely upon a bruteforce cooling solution to dissipate the heat. Liquid Metal provides perfect and optimal connection between the chip and the heatsink. Plenty of space around the keys area of heat, which helps with heat dissipation and the curvy case design makes it so that air intakes cannot be blocked by the user. Huge size of the unit also helps.
• 2 very different solutions between Sony and Microsoft. Series X more of an achievement in term of providing more power in a smaller package, but leads to higher build cost. Sony's solutions on the other hand is believed to cost less in comparison due to its simpler design overall.
• 350w power supply; 35w more than Series X
• Whisper-quiet PS5 according to Japanese influencers; believes that is the right direction for consoles
• Obvious trade-off being the sheer size of the console but doesn't want to comment further about this until he gets his hand on a unit
• No shadow NDA; simply no PS5 on house, but "surely it's only a matter of time, right?"
• Can't wait to see how all of this pans out

Orverall, very positive analysis from Richard.

 

[FrankWza]

They don't have the console at hand. Hell, they cannot even run a single application on it.
You can come up with any mythical idea how it might work, but we need to see in practice.

I swear some people think that PS5 cures cancer and people should realize that from the video done by 3rd party. Who knows really.

Easy, don’t make the video then. They’re going for a participation trophy here. It’s an incomplete

 

[MDSLKTR]

Bill already set the tone on the first page. Not gonna dwell on that. People who need to know certain things have what they need. DM's have circulated. Some are in the know, some are not.

Lmao get a grip

 

[Entroyp]

Bit I liked was the technical descripion, instead of sayng the actual dimensions, or indeed he could reference its 20 % bigger than ps4 pro in length.

But all we got was its big, 3 times. Not sure if he is trying to be funny or what.

He then describes ps5 as narrow and fast, it has 4 shader arrays.

He then describes XSX as slower and wide, someone should tell him it also has 4 shader arrays.

Less I say about his technical description of the pCB board as big as well, the better....

For someone doing this as a profession, no more commenst are needed.

I know, I was being sarcastic since I got a message deleted for criticizing DF. I guess that’s a no no here.

 

[Insane Metal]

So seriously now. You guys really think there isn't something fishy (sorry sircaw ) going on with DF? It took them all this time to make a PS5 teardown related video, after all this time everthing there is to talk about has already been discussed by pretty much every YT channel on Earth. This is not a random decision.

 

[Zimmy68]

Can we edit the title to add the words "Teardown" to it? Big difference between that and a PS5 analysis.

 

[SlimySnake]

Just watched the video, told you all it was coming. Richard literally said he would work on this next after his current video which is exactly what he did. All that drama for nothing.

I really dont see the bias here. Any criticism of Sony does not equal bias. I just bought the Sony 900H tv and several reviewers were complaining about how secretive Sony is about the smallest of details. They have a shit marketing philosophy that is rooted in the early 2000s. Times have changed. Social media has brought companies to the masses closer than ever. These youtube channels have bridged the gap between corporations and consumers, and yet Sony is still stubbornly sticking to old school marketing. I really dont blame Richard for not being too happy with Sony about this, and if the TV reviewers are any indication, neither are the other journalists.

I am also ok with comparisons to the XSX. I dont understand why we are treating the PS5 as a protected species. This isnt era. We dont live in a bubble. It's his job to compare the two designs. I personally think that the PS5 hardware design is exceptional, but the xsx is no slouch either and I cannot blame anyone for picking one over the other. I might even create a thread about why the PS5 is a stunning piece of hardware with innovations in cooling and clocks that exceed even the most expensive PC GPUs. All in a $400 console. It's an amazing achievement in engineering design, arguably better than the xsx, but surely we should be allowed to compare the two consoles.

Basically this comes down to marketing. Sony had the right idea when they contacted Richard on the eve of the Road to PS5 talk to brief him before they even went live. But then they completely went into their shell and have hidden away Mark Cerny like hes got coronavirus. You HAVE to show everyone that you have confidence in your product and the main way to do is to go out there and talk. They famously said they will let the games do the talking and then showed a bunch of games that didnt do much talking. Half of them were cross gen. They have done a poor job selling the SSD even though the PS5 is literally built around the SSD and its I/O. I had to be reminded that astrobot and godfall have 2 second loadtimes because that was revealed in a random japanese youtuber video that barely even made the news.

If you all want DF and the rest of the western media to give a shit, you need to shift your attention to Sony marketing which is extremely slow to react. Remember how it took them 6 months to confirm that the PS5 had hardware RT? Sony has to be the one to build relationships and be forthcoming to their consumers. They have cancelled the PS fan events two years in a row. I bet they are thankful that coronavirus has allowed them to cancel it a third year in a row. They have to engage. Starving Sony fans is not the right way to go about doing things.

The biggest example of this is the latest interview by that Sony engineer today. It outlines their philosophy behind the architecture in a far better way than the teardown. it proves that the 2.23 ghz GPU was always the final clock. And it's exactly the kind of detail that Richard wanted to see. Richard and DF had earned the right to have that interview with that guy. And Sony giving it to some japanese company instead is absolutely fucking bizarre and a huge marketing misfire. No one gives a fuck about the PS5 in Japan. the PS4 sold less than the PS3 there. Sony doesnt even have its HQ in Japan anymore so wtf are you doing wasting your time with Japanese youtubers and publications?

 

[FunkMiller]

They make more money if people send them things to review as it's far more interesting than watching a video about a video. It also helps them get things out in a timely fashion vs. waiting for stuff, which again.. makes them more money.

I don't understand why people fault them for "being salty" here. It's literally part of their job to try to get companies to send them stuff.

You can get away with it when you’re just one of many thousands of smaller YouTubers, trying to stand out from the crowd, but when you’re the recognised main source for video game technical information with a million subscribers, you really should start acting like an outlet that aspires to sound at least a little bit objective, and not quite so annoyed when you do t get to play with something early.

If an influential outlet like DF allows their opinion to be swayed by how much free stuff the receive, that’s a big problem, and the cries of bias start to become understandable.

 

[FrankWza]

You can get away with it when you’re just one of many thousands of smaller YouTubers, trying to stand out from the crowd, but when you’re the recognised main source for video game technical information with a million subscribers, you really should start acting like an outlet that aspires to sound at least a little bit objective, and not quite so annoyed when you do t get to play with something early.

If an influential outlet like DF allows their opinion to be swayed by how much free stuff the receive, that’s a big problem, and the cries of bias start to become understandable.

I can’t find anything wrong with this. Sometimes, it just is what it is.

 

[Neofire]

Didn't learn anything new. Uninteresting video, outdated. Thanks to the more intelligent youtube channels out there with experienced people in tech that given extensive analysis of it.

I agree, alot of the interesting things that some know about but not a lot, they left out of the video is crazy.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

DM's have circulated. Some are in the know, some are not.

So you could say there's a Sony DM Group?

Hmm...

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Bill already set the tone on the first page. Not gonna dwell on that. People who need to know certain things have what they need. DM's have circulated. Some are in the know, some are not.

They didn't get it like gameinformer at least. Gameinformer guys must be buzzing now.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

First about the video: They clearly don't have enough data for a more deep analysis, sadly. But at least they talk about the storage for games from the SSD, since it has been object of discussion. For a 4K machine, I think it's a bit too little... but time will tell. Other than that, most of what they said is what we have been supposing and discussing ad aeternum since the teardown.

Now about the current DF situation: It's unbelievable the amount of discredit DF is getting from Sony diehard fanboys just because they have been commending MS's console. I have seen this movie before... I'm pretty certain that doesn't matter what they say or what they try to do, a good amount of people will just turn their back to them. It's not their fault if Sony isn't allowing (as MS has been in fact doing) anyone to do a hands-on themselves. I have yet to see one video from DF where they act as a MS fanboy... they're always being as technical as they can, and as unbiased as possible. I salute them for making such high quality videos, specially since 90% of videogame content on youtube is just about console wars.

 

[JimboJones]

Quick résumé :

• Sony's strategy to provide carefully provided bits of information is generating massive amount of hype, puts it in contract to Microsoft's tactic to have journalists get a session with Series X designers and even have them build the Series X themselves
• The screw-able stand is fairly simple and is included with the console rather than sold separately; Series X, by design, do not have removable stand nor does it need one
• Appreciates the dust catching outlets easily accessible; notes that cleaning the PS4 in comparison was a significantly harder job as you need to dismantle the console, which required to void the warranty; Huge improvement
• M.2 storage bay. Different strategy than Microsoft when you have the bespoke 2TB unit from Seagate. On PS5, you have a choice of whitelisted third-party solutions. Richard seems concerned about the temperature of the m.2 SSD as m.2 units get hot rapidly and easily without any thermal solution (heatsink for example) and thus drop in performance rather linearly with temps, but he suspects that Sony thought of that and most likely have a solution for this that we have yet to see in the video, wonders if the main fan unit is helping the SSD cooling.
• Integrated SSD on mainboard ; cannot be replaced by the user. Stipulates that the compelling leak about usable space on the SSD (664GB), which contradict the fact that development kit has 620GB of usable space, is interested to see how this will turn out on final retail unit.
• Basic, toyota-like design. Conservative, but based on tried and tested principles. Fewer parts can be a really good thing in context of cost challenges
• 120x45mm fan unit. Smaller in size than Series X, but much thicker. Likes the custom design and believes there is no comparison on PC space.
• UHD blu-ray unit. First time in a Sony console. Dampeners to reduce vibrations. Similar work has been done on the One X console and believes the same will be true for Series X.
• Wifi6. 9.5gbps theoretical bandwidth limit. Unlikely we'll get that speed in real life condition. More interested by the fact that wifi6 is designed to reduce cross-talk between devices which leads to stronger connection, but you'll need a wireless setup with wireless devices capable of wifi6 to benefit from it.
• Really big motherboard. Puts it in contract to the 2 smaller superposed board of the Series X
• Talks about the size of the main chip die. Agrees that their estimate to eyeball the size of the Series X were a way out. Explains that the attempts to mesure the PS5 die size by comparing it to Samsung memory package size is somewhat useful to guestimate the size, but that the minutist of error when calculating via pixel count can lead to pretty big errors. 305-320mm2 is probably right on the money nonetheless. Same process as the Xbox Series X. Same underlying AMD technology. Same CPU technology, but reduced compute unit count. 2x extra GDDR6 controllers + more GPU area = ~44mm2 extra space on Series X. Fabric + Media Bloc and Tempest engine for 3D audio are unknown quantity. Richard believes that the PS5 die will be about as big as the PS4 Pro die (320mm2). Similar size, but tons of extra performance (smaller 7nm process, much higher clocks, much improved architecture, etc)
• Liquid Metal for PS5 thermal interface. thermal paste from PS4 was its weakest spot in its thermal solution. Compares the PS5's liquid metal to simply going nuclear. Most optimal thermal interface available for mass market device. Believes that Liquid Metal is a poor choice for mass market device due to all its intricacies but then notes that Sony is on their 5th console iterations with tons of experience, learned lots of lessons and thus not an issue at all.
• In his own word, "freakishly ginormous heatsink". No vapor chamber, but same performance due to its size and shape
• Obvious strategy: Blast SoC with tons of power, distribute that power between CPU and GPU according to load and then rely upon a bruteforce cooling solution to dissipate the heat. Liquid Metal provides perfect and optimal connection between the chip and the heatsink. Plenty of space around the keys area of heat, which helps with heat dissipation and the curvy case design makes it so that air intakes cannot be blocked by the user. Huge size of the unit also helps.
• 2 very different solutions between Sony and Microsoft. Series X more of an achievement in term of providing more power in a smaller package, but leads to higher build cost. Sony's solutions on the other hand is believed to cost less in comparison due to its simpler design overall.
• 350w power supply; 35w more than Series X
• Whisper-quiet PS5 according to Japanese influencers; believes that is the right direction for consoles
• Obvious trade-off being the sheer size of the console but doesn't want to comment further about this until he gets his hand on a unit
• No shadow NDA; simply no PS5 on house, but "surely it's only a matter of time, right?"
• Can't wait to see how all of this pans out

Orverall, very positive analysis from Richard.

Nice write up my man

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Is it me, or do DF titles for one console always come off positive, while titles for another console always seem to cast doubt.

I'm sure it's just my imagination tho.

 

[RaySoft]

don't you normally setup your set to film stuff?
Can anyone tell me what those placed boxes are over his shoulder at 18 seconds in.

Kinda funny how he always changes his desktop screen background to complement each video.
This time he didn't even bother, OR, it's deliberately still a picture of the Series X' SoC.

 

[CatLady]

Bill already set the tone on the first page. Not gonna dwell on that. People who need to know certain things have what they need. DM's have circulated. Some are in the know, some are not.

WTF is this? The Sony super fans own CNN --- Conspriacy News Network?

 

[bargeparty]

More like a clear indicator that the internet is a cesspool.

They’re just doing their job, being harassed for it because their opinion is not as outrageously biased as some viewers is unacceptable.

Sadly if you don’t treat Sony as the second coming at all times it seems unavoidable.

This isn't like harassing a mailman for simply delivery mail. These guys choose to do this, nothing is forced on them.

 

[Knitted Knight]

WTF is this? The Sony super fans own CNN --- Conspriacy News Network?

GTN

 

[RaySoft]

That's one way to look at it. Though generally, I tend to consider systems that have to compact their components into tighter spaces (and still ensure regular performance and heat dissipation) as being somewhat more complicated to engineer. A lot of people are mistaken on some aspects of XSX from that system's teardown vid: MS added some magnetized components to the parts so that they'd stick together easily. I doubt an actual retail XSX would have those components (it would be neat if it did, though).

I still think it's up in the air which system actually runs quieter or cooler. Regarding the PS5 heatsink, they seemingly wanted vapor cooling levels of performance, but went with (what I'd assume is) a cheaper alternative with some custom engineering applied to save costs. But there's no telling how that'll work, and if some of the other things we've heard the past few days are true, PS5 has a higher ambient and full load operating temperature (by 3 degrees Celsius on both ends). Of course that only refers to heat generation; the actual fan setup could indeed help it run cooler, we'll just have to wait and see.

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Interestingly Rich thinks PS5's APU is ~ 305mm^2 - 310mm^2. I know very early estimates were 320mm^2, and then on Twitter Rogame estimated it was actually 286mm^2 ! Hard to say who is right on this

Yeah, the parts that the 'tubers got to play with were all dummy magnetized parts, even the SoC, for ease of assembly.
Rogame found out he were using wrong measurements in his first tweet, so he came out with an updated size. I'd guess a size between 300-320mm2 is about right.