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Sony now warns users that others may record voice party chats on PSN
- Thread starter Calverz
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Do you think people are gonna read that?
NeoLed
Member
Wouldn't the warning before entering the party chat already cover that?California is a two party consent law when it comes to recording. File them lawsuits. Because Trump said we can sue them and win LOTS OF MONEY.
You give your consent by entering the party chat
01011001
Banned
I can't really talk about Californian law, but by German law at least they could get in trouble by not showing that message before every single parts gets started/entered by someone, as of now they only show this message once when you first get the update... this is a grey area and might get either sony or whoever records your voice chat in serious trouble if a court finds this one time warning to not be sufficient enough... we will see if anyone sues someone over this in the future I guess
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The Pleasure
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You can revoke consent at any time. The issue would be with the parties at hand not Sony.
WalterSobchak
Member
Anyone who's fine with this wears masks while in their car alone.
MISTER INVEIGLER
Member
Perfect
NeoLed
Member
Curious.I can't really talk about Californian law, but by German law at least they could get in trouble by not showing that message before every single parts gets started/entered by someone, as of now they only show this message once when you first get the update... this is a grey area and might get either sony or whoever records your voice chat in serious trouble if a court finds this one time warning to not be sufficient enough... we will see if anyone sues someone over this in the future I guess
Can someone enter the room monitored with CCTV, with a warning infront of the building that said all rooms are monitored by CCTV, and then demanded to not be recorded by the CCTV?
Esit : my bad. I didn't catch the one time warning. But I think if the warning says it will always be monitored/recorded, it should be sufficient
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NeoLed
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Wouldn't leaving the party chat or mute the mic is the way to show that you revoke the consent that have been given?
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01011001
Banned
no but you have to warn people and they would get that warning every time they enter that room.
if you had that warning only up once and then remove the sign, that would be an issue.
let's say somehow everyone was using AR glasses and the CCTV warning would only pop up on these the first time you enter, and every time you enter after that it wouldn't pop up anymore that would be an issue I believe.
and that's exactly what's happening here on PS4 right now. you get a warning once and never after that... that could be an issue.
but I don't know for sure, I think this is a grey area and someone would actually have to take someone else to court for this so wer would have a precedent
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Zekra Dezivad
Member
Pretty much. People like to be upset and "concerned".
If you want privacy just don't invite or accept invites from random people. Easy.
If you are chatting with your friends why you should be afraid of them recording your voice?
I think that people are just afraid of being caught being assholes and so reported and banned.
Iced Arcade
Member
sony "why is everyone making mac & cheese" when they are alone
The Pleasure
Member
Because thats some wet n gushy.
Fake
Member
Well, I read and I still not accept that. Are people gonna defend this saying I not read? Is pretty much the same lame excuse.
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GardenOfAbbylon
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I don't care because i only voice chat with friends, and i watch what i say still.
I wear a mask in the car when I'm alone....if i have the windows open. Had covid once, not taking chances.
Jubenhimer
Member
It's amazing how quickly people jumped to conclusions on this.You know Sony has done a great job on the PS5 when this "controversy" is the only shit you can sling at them
Lort
Banned
As i have mentioned numerous times before ... xbox prevents party chat being streamed ( unless all parties specifically agree to it in the session).
ruvikx
Banned
I read the whole article. It's just cute little spin from Sony's higher-ups, i.e. "There won’t be an option to opt-out of this Voice Chat recording function because we want all users to feel safe when playing with others online, not just those who choose to enable it."
So we'll all feel very "safe" knowing a mere 40 second voice chat clip which can absolutely be taken out of context will be recorded & sent to some obscure moderation team. Lovely. They're even going to use this opportunity to (in their words) provide "guidance & education". Even lovelier.
Jubenhimer
Member
That's still not the same as Sony supposedly "listening in on voice chats". I can see how such a system can be abused by people no doubt. But that's not the same as Sony listening in on any random conversation. I just don't see how people managed twist what is actually going on out of context like that.
lukilladog
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Jubenhimer
Member
Sony be like:
It's already been clarified that this isn't quite the case. Sony isn't listening in on voice chats. They are just warning you that other users may record your sessions.
MastaKiiLA
Member
As I expected, no reason to have an abuse reporting feature, and then allow people to sidestep it through a dashboard setting. It would make it completely pointless. Those who don't like it, can always mute their mics. Spare the rest of the world your stupidity. I'm expecting this to make public chat rooms easier to deal with, which is great, since I won't have many local PS5 friends, and will mostly game online with strangers in Europe and Australia. All my US friends are half a day away now.
Wizz-Art
Member
Their disclaimer/TOS doesn't read we aren't responsible for what other users do using our voice chat function...
Their disclaimer/TOS explicitly says; while using the voice chat function you agree your voice being recorded.
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Jubenhimer
Member
Yes, BY OTHER USERS. I understand the concern for people who might try to abuse this system, but this isn't the "Big Brother Sony" policy that many initially assumed.
Wizz-Art
Member
I don't see the TOS mention that, do you? They use clever wording but this allows them to do whatever they like, if not now at the moment then in the forseeable future. They wrote it so that they are able to do that Big Brother stuff once you use their voice chat.
Jubenhimer
Member
"Please be aware that voice chats in parties may be recorded and sent to us by other users."
ruvikx
Banned
"Please be aware that voice chats in parties may be recorded and sent to us by other users."
Right... just as in the Soviet Union, it was reports by everyday citizens which were sent to the commissars etc. aka state apparatchiks who would "judge" wrong-thinkers based on the evidence supplied by denouncers (they obviously didn't have a KGB or NKVD agent hiding under every bed...). That's literally how police states work. So you guys who're hiding behind a "it's not Sony who're recording!" line of defense are conveniently ignoring the fact this is a new feature specifically designed by Sony to encourage snitching & reports sent to their moderation team who'll pass judgement. They're even boasting about the "safe" environment this will create! ("safe" i.e. a total dog whistle word for SJW's in 2020).
Maybe you're okay with that.
Handy Fake
Member
... Blimey.
Do you need a hug?
Awww there's your hug!
Seems to me that the most triggered folk on forums are the ones bleating on about SJWs, 'triggered' and snowflakes without a hint of irony.
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Jubenhimer
Member
See, THAT'S where I can understand the complaints. I can definitely see people abusing this feature, especially SJWs who feel like they're being "triggered". Sony better have a damn good moderation team if they don't want this to backfire on them.
Wizz-Art
Member
"Please be aware that voice chats in parties may be recorded and sent to us by other users."
And the next sentence is? They could've easily say we are not responsible for what users do using the voice chat function. But they did not say that, they say; By participating in voice chats, you agree to your voice being recorded. That to me sounds as Sony who's gonna play Big Brother, if not now they can easily change that in the future because the wording in the TOS leaves that option.
Jubenhimer
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Except Sony Clarified later that they were in fact, not listening in on voice chat sessions.
I do agree that they should've been more specific about this from the start though.
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Wizz-Art
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Currently not, but they worded it so that they could in the future, it leaves the option open and that's clever wording by them but creepy to users.
They should've been a lot more specific and don't allow for party chats to be recorded by an in build function of the PS OS. That's creepy as have been said before in this thread. SJW's and other radicalists can get you banned for something you said in voice chat. No context whatsoever, if they were clearly baiting you before that in the chat but only send Sony your political not correct response and your account gets banned you lose acces to an account that likely has digitally bought stuff on it and that's the fear that I have the most by this. I'm affraid this policy could set a bad precedent for other (gaming) companies.
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Jubenhimer
Member
I think you may be reading too much into that. Don't get me wrong, I totally get being weary of voice features in consumer electronics, as silicon valley hasn't been the most trust worthy with that sort of thing, but that isn't what's going on here.
Doesn't the Xbox One already have a feature like this? And like I said, I can see why people are scared of this feature, since stupid people are more than likely going to try and abuse it.
Handy Fake
Member
Microsoft halts listening in to Xbox gamers
The firm said it would no longer listen in to players using the console.
www.bbc.co.uk
"We occasionally review a low volume of voice recordings sent from one Xbox user to another when there are reports that a recording violated our terms of service and we need to investigate. This is done to keep the Xbox community safe and is clearly stated in our Xbox terms of service."
(August 2019).
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Wizz-Art
Member
Tech companies aren't your friends, I'm better safe then sorry and I'm not so naive to put such trust in those companies when privacy is concerned.
As far as I know Xbox One never had the option that other users record the voice chat and to send it to Xbox enforcers.
Wizz-Art
Member
Microsoft halts listening in to Xbox gamers
The firm said it would no longer listen in to players using the console.www.bbc.co.uk
"We occasionally review a low volume of voice recordings sent from one Xbox user to another when there are reports that a recording violated our terms of service and we need to investigate. This is done to keep the Xbox community safe and is clearly stated in our Xbox terms of service."
(August 2019).
I'm glad they stopped this peer to peer stasi like practice!
Jubenhimer
Member
I agree, and I do agree it's best to be skeptical about these things. I'm just saying I wouldn't rush to doomsday conclusions so quickly.
Handy Fake
Member
They do exactly the same as what Sony do now, although Sony haven't hidden it in the T&Cs.
Wizz-Art
Member
No, it's not the same. Try again!
Handy Fake
Member
"We occasionally review a low volume of voice recordings sent from one Xbox user to another when there are reports that a recording violated our terms of service and we need to investigate. This is done to keep the Xbox community safe and is clearly stated in our Xbox terms of service."
How is that not the same..?
Wizz-Art
Member
They stopped that practice last year. Also it's not recorded in voice chat sessions by users and straight sent to Sony for moderation. But voice messages a user sends to another user. Again not voice chat or group chat.
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Handy Fake
Member
They didn't stop that practice last year, they just stopped listening in all the time. They still do the above, as stated.
Is party chat not "a user sends to another user", nor a "voice message"?
Are Xbox parties recorded? Gamers confused as to whether Microsoft is spying on them
Many gamers will remember the days of Xbox 360 in-game audio and the insane volume of explicit language used, but does Xbox record those parties?
www.hitc.com
"No, Xbox parties are not recorded but Xbox can listen to party audio files if there are multiple corresponding reports of terms of service breaches."