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[LivingD3AD]

PS5 has 36CUs and a 315mm^2 chip and the XSX has 52CUs and 360mm^2 chip. XsX has 44% more CU count than PS5 but only 13% bigger SoC! CUs in PS5 GPU should have been bigger than what is inside XsX! RDNA2 Comput Units supposed to be noticeably bigger than RDNA1 Comput Units! And maybe other features like infinity cache or something like that!

 

[kyliethicc]

Just wanted to point out that the Xbox Series X is not "cut down Navi 21," its its own custom die design.

Navi 10 (5700 XT) has 2 shader engines, 20 CUs each, total of 40 CUs.
Navi 21 (6900 XT) is rumored to have 4 shader engines, 20 CUs each, total of 80 CUs.
Navi 22 (6700 XT) is rumored to have 2 shader engines, 20 CUs each, total of 40 CUs.
AMD use 5 Dual CUs per shader array, 2 arrays per SE.

The Xbox has 2 shader engines, 28 CUs each, total of 56 CUs. It doesn't have the 5 DCUs, it has 7. Therefore its custom, because it cannot be 7 cut down from 5. Math. They cannot take a die with 4x20 and cut it down to 2x28. They could cut it down to 4x18 or 4x16, hence the rumors of other AMD PC GPUs with 72 or 64 CUs. But the XSX is clearly a one off custom chip.

Navi 10 diagram

Spoiler

 

[LiquidRex]

Yeah, I'm not sure. If they were pre-rendered you'd wonder why they would look different. Why would they decide to go back through and render them again? However, their pipeline may be to generate the render images within the engine at ultra, ultra settings (something that would run far less that even 30fps) and then composite them together to make 30 or 60 fps video.

However, from playing the game in the past, I'm pretty sure this section (and other sections like it) are pre-rendered in some form.

My gut says they just rendered them again with some slightly different settings...

 

[geordiemp]

It's also very likely that both camps picked clocks somewhat based on the power envelope they were looking to hit. MS had a wider design and that combined with the stated goal of being 1:1 in power consumption with 1X likely limited them to the chosen clocks. Though MS appears to choose clocks very deliberately, choosing based on the TF target.

Both have 4 shader arrays, XSX is not wider than ps5 on silicon. Only the memory interface is wider.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Bullshit.

The community put up with a lot of shit from you, and if it all turns sour next week there needs to be a real apology.

This “funny“ fish thing is done. A bunch of you have turned the community toxic.

Seriously now if next week doesn’t go as you planned, how do you expect to make it up to them?

"The community"? Community of what? Did he insult disabled people by making derogatory remarks about the special olympics or something?

Sounds bad, so I'm just curious to know what I'm missing.

 

[Angel of BOOM!]

I guess they're real-time then... interesting.

 

[kyliethicc]

Both have 4 shader arrays, XSX is not wider than ps5 on silicon. Only the memory interface is wider.

Yeah, Xbox just added more CUs per shader array. Both Xbox and PS5 have 2 shader engines, same as Navi 10 and Navi 22.

 

[Kagey K]

Listen bud, you stood by while 52 points of fucking fud were spread by your friends and comrades in the xbox community on this forum, not once did you try and set them straight, not once did you ask them to fucking apologize for there bull shit in TURNING THE COMMUNITY TOXIC.

Don't play the fucking victim card with me, or give me your holier than thou bullshit. You're upset because other people's technical views are not lining up with yours.

This is a speculation thread, 10 days to go TICK TOCK.

You still didn’t answer the question. If you are wrong what are you going to do to apologize to the community and make it better?

TICK TOK.

 

[kyliethicc]

You still didn’t answer the question. If you are wrong what are you going to do to apologize to the community and make it better?

TICK TOK.

are you serious or just trolling?

 

[Kagey K]

"The community"? Community of what? Did he insult disabled people by making derogatory remarks about the special olympics or something?

Sounds bad, so I'm just curious to know what I'm missing.

The gaming community as a whole, the same one you were lamenting MS made worse by buying Bethesda just a day ago. Or are you just playing dumb now?

 

[Kagey K]

are you serious or just trolling?

You decide.

 

[sircaw]

You still didn’t answer the question. If you are wrong what are you going to do to apologize to the community and make it better?

TICK TOK.
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As soon as you start Apologising for those 52 points of fud i might start taking you seriously.

 

[Kagey K]

I had nothing to do with those, and you can’t pretend there were less coming at Xbox.

Plus FUD really means nothing now, you ran it all into the ground. Oh I don’t like what they said, it’s FUD.

I can see now that you don’t give a shit about gamers as a community. Your mission was to divide and conquer and you won.

Good job fish.

 

[Kagey K]

Sorry we got off track.

What are the supposed features again that is going to be announced at the 28th party im supposed to look out for?

Anyone got a breakdown?

 

[sircaw]

I had nothing to do with those, and you can’t pretend there were less coming at Xbox.

Plus FUD really means nothing now, you ran it all into the ground. Oh I don’t like what they said, it’s FUD.

It sounds like you need to take a break, some fresh air perhaps, because your beginning to make less and less sense now.

People are allowed to speculate in this thread, just because it is not lining up with your own personal agenda or does not. at least in your eyes, paint your favorite piece of plastic console in shining light, well, that's on you dude.

I am not here to please you my liege.

But i strongly suggest before calling people out, you tidy up your own side of the nest.

Have a good day.




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[Setsuna Mudou]

The gaming community as a whole, the same one you were lamenting MS made worse by buying Bethesda just a day ago. Or are you just playing dumb now?

I did? Am I in an alternate timeline (Mandela effect) or are you a little bit off? What did sircaw do that merits an apology to"The gaming community"??

 

[geordiemp]

I had nothing to do with those, and you can’t pretend there were less coming at Xbox.

Plus FUD really means nothing now, you ran it all into the ground. Oh I don’t like what they said, it’s FUD.

I can see now that you don’t give a shit about gamers as a community. Your mission was to divide and conquer and you won.

Good job fish.

Cheer up, both consoles will perform similarly and both achieved their goals differently. Most 3rd party will likely look so samey nobody cares. I only challenge when someone starts claiming superiority as its just wrong.

Both consoles are totally custom, and as such you cannot compare to PC parts directly. I am excited for the AMD reveal as hardware is interesting to me. It is likely both consoles will be behind PC parts if they have huge L2 cache, god knows PC gamers will be saying both consoles are not full RDNA2. Thats fine.

As long as we get 1440p60 or above performance options and some nice rays ina graphics mode on console we are fine. Anyone expecting consoles to dominate in performance against dedicated GPU cards that cost more than a console is setting up for dissapointment.

 

[sircaw]

I did? Am I in an alternate timeline (Mandela effect) or are you a little bit off? What did sircaw do that merits an apology to"The gaming community"??

I is SATAN PERSONified.

 

[Kagey K]

It sounds like you need to take a break, some fresh air perhaps, because your beginning to make less and less sense now.

People are allowed to speculate in this thread, just because it is not lining up with your own personal agenda or does not. at least in your eyes, paint your favorite piece of plastic console in shining light, well, that's on you dude.

I am not here to please you my liege.

But i strongly suggest before calling people out, you tidy up your own side of the nest.

Have a good day.




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Nice deflection, but no.

Again tell me what the “surprise“ is when it happens.

And if it doesn’t I will be here to remind you, same as you have done so far.

 

[sircaw]

Nice deflection, but no.

Again tell me what the “surprise“ is when it happens.

And if it doesn’t I will be here to remind you, same as you have done so far.

I suspect we have a great white shark here. Enough said.

Profile limited, ah i see.

 

[ToadMan]

You still didn’t answer the question. If you are wrong what are you going to do to apologize to the community and make it better?

TICK TOK.

 

[marvifrom]

 

[ToadMan]

I did? Am I in an alternate timeline (Mandela effect) or are you a little bit off? What did sircaw do that merits an apology to"The gaming community"??

He’s guilty of the crime of posting in favour of a product that other people don’t like



And stinking up the place with a fishy smell.

....


Actually that’s my girlfriend! Sorry sircaw !

 

[geordiemp]

I is SATAN PERSONified.

 

[Kagey K]

I suspect we have a great white shark here. Enough said.

Profile limited, ah i see.

I was here before he was a member and I’ll still here now. Again a bunch of deflections.

You never actually discuss the points that matter.

it’s so fucking fake and most people see through it.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

As if the criticism about the AI and other stuff weren't enough... that game looks like shit. Some parts of the landscape and some textures looks absolutely shitty. Wow.

Disappointing I was looking forward to AC Valhalla on PS5, i've almost lost any hope to even get this even later down the line

 

[sircaw]

I did? Am I in an alternate timeline (Mandela effect) or are you a little bit off? What did sircaw do that merits an apology to"The gaming community"??

I think the thought that sony has built a very good machine is troubling some people. They hate the idea that Cerny has put so much effort time and innovation into it.

The fact that it punches above its weight, or is very close in performance to xbox a machine that is meant to be so much more powerful is a huge sticking point.

Thats what the anger is really about,

 

[Kagey K]

sircaw

What are the points that are going to put PS5 ahead of the Series X on Oct 28?

If you are wrong about them what are you going to do about it?

It’s that fucking simple and you turned it into a while thing.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I think the thought that sony has built a very good machine is troubling some people. They hate the idea that Cerny has put so much effort time and innovation into it.

The fact that it punches above its weight, or is very close in performance to xbox a machine that is meant to be so much more powerful is a huge sticking point.

Thats what the anger is really about,

But I thought...

 

[farmerboy]

Whats happening on the 28th?

Are we talking about AMD embargoes lifting or something?

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

 

[Kagey K]

I think the thought that sony has built a very good machine is troubling some people. They hate the idea that Cerny has put so much effort time and innovation into it.

The fact that it punches above its weight, or is very close in performance to xbox a machine that is meant to be so much more powerful is a huge sticking point.

Thats what the anger is really about,

Or the fact that it doesn’t but you really want it to.

It matters little in the long run and games will do the talking, or the games will actually do all the talking in Sonys case.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

I think the thought that sony has built a very good machine is troubling some people. They hate the idea that Cerny has put so much effort time and innovation into it.

The fact that it punches above its weight, or is very close in performance to xbox a machine that is meant to be so much more powerful is a huge sticking point.

Thats what the anger is really about,

I am surprised people were expecting PS5 to lag waay behind Series X. Didn't we know from the start both are almost equally powerful? A 1.7Tflop advantage isn't going to result in night and day difference. This isn't Base PS4 vs Base Xbox One when both of those consoles launched 7 years ago, where PS4 did 1080p native on all games and Xbox One struggled between 720p-900p!

 

[DinoD]

What's happening on the 25th? Did I miss something?

 

[Kagey K]

I am surprised people were expecting PS5 to lag waay behind Series X. Didn't we know from the start both are almost equally powerful? A 1.7Tflop advantage isn't going to result in night and day difference. This isn't Base PS4 vs Base Xbox One when both of those consoles launched 7 years ago, where PS4 did 1080p native on all games and Xbox One struggled between 720p-900p!

Oh no people are expecting that difference, but still on the PS5 side.

Its fucking downright dumb, and I. Excited to see the bubble burst.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Whats happening on the 28th?

Are we talking about AMD embargoes lifting or something?

Sort of, AMD will showcase its RX6000 cards on the 28th. So everyone expects that maybe NDAs will drop and MS or Sony will be able to go more in depth about unannounced RDNA 2 features on their consoles.

 

[geordiemp]

Is this when the PS5 infinity cache or 32mb cache is revealed? I can't wait.

Why do you think Ps5 L2 will be 32 MB out of interest ? thats 8 x bigger than usual....thats allot of die space for a console. 8MB would be good, 16 would be dream ....any more expectation is hoping too much.

28 th is when RDNA2 is revealed, and normally shortly after the full reveal we get the RDNA2 white paper detailing all the ins and outs of the technology.

Thats all, but it will allow us to compare what we know about consoles so far, and put allot of things into correct perspective.

Alsio when embargo and NDA lift, both Sony, MS and others can talk more freely, we will get more discussion.

 

[Lysandros]

PS5 has 36CUs and a 315mm^2 chip and the XSX has 52CUs and 360mm^2 chip. XsX has 44% more CU count than PS5 but only 13% bigger SoC! CUs in PS5 GPU should have been bigger than what is inside XsX! RDNA2 Comput Units supposed to be noticeably bigger than RDNA1 Comput Units! And maybe other features like infinity cache or something like that!

How about the SRAM-I/O complex? If there is some room left, i hope for a larger L2 GPU cache.

 

[geordiemp]

How about the SRAM and I/O complex? If there is some room left, i hope for a larger L2 GPU cache.

Depends on the size of Tempest and the cache coherency and Cache scrubbers etc, or the SRAM for IO. So we dont know.

All we know is we will get much more RDNA2 information and people will be free to talk more, even more so after white paper.

 

[thelastword]

I know since the rtx cards debuted, people think all things shinier are better, but that is not really the case. The settings on PC are at insane quality. The shinier effect on Series X is not necessarily better, it's not using RT for reflections here btw, they've simply decreased on the opacity levels. This has nothing to do with Series X doing something the 3090 can't....or something extraordinary. I suspect the PC game will be patched with the same enhancements the series X is receiving. I don't believe all effects are enhancements though. Some of the tweaks we see on the patched Gears 5 would be done to improve framerate to 4k 60 and 4k 120fps levels.......So, You might see some aesthetic changes that may look more appealing at first glance, but not necessarily more GPU intensive. Optimization is a weird word...

 

[sircaw]

I was here before he was a member and I’ll still here now. Again a bunch of deflections.

You never actually discuss the points that matter.

it’s so fucking fake and most people see through it.

There is nothing to really discuss, i believe the ps5 is a better-more thought developed console, simple as that. You don't want to believe nor do your friends because it paints your console in a negative light.

We have seen the posts of developers talking about the ps5 "how people will be talking about it as something really really special, what was that i bet you a dollar in a year's time tweet. Remember that.

Even Digital foundy guy said the things he was hearing about it are going to surprise people, he said maybe not thrice but pretty close. This last statement means there are some serious differences between the consoles, the amount of Cu's on the xbox vs the Ps5 and yet he is praising the Ps5. There are some serious modifications or advantages the ps5 must have in design or hardware to get that close. THAT'S MY POINT.

I personally think Sony has pulled out all the stops, custom silicone, cache scrubbers, coherency cores whatever it is, we have 3 weeks to go and we are going to get to see what it's all about. For your sake i hope your right because if sony have built a machine that is on par with Microsoft with so many less Cus, but also have the best controller, the best sound card, the fastest ssd, a cooler console, a quieter one, Wifi fucking route 66, usb-c3p0, with out cutting corners, your Green team in a whole whole lot of trouble.

I personally think the Xbox one sxs what ever the fuck it is called is a standard piece of kit thrown together in a box.
Look at the speeds of that Gpu, what the fuck is going on there.

So yes Tick tock, and there is your answer, don't forget to report away.

Ps HAVE A NICE DAY.




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[Riky]

Why do you think Ps5 L2 will be 32 MB out of interest ? thats 8 x bigger than usual....thats allot of die space for a console. 8MB would be good, 16 would be dream ....any more expectation is hoping too much.

Maybe from whoever said this,

"Ps5 is not going to have 128 MB of L2 like an 80 CU PC part, so max half at 64 MB, but its a console so 32 MB would be a good bet...."

 

[bitbydeath]

Oh no people are expecting that difference, but still on the PS5 side.

Its fucking downright dumb, and I. Excited to see the bubble burst.

Even if games are 1440p vs 4K like the rumoured Yakuza title you still won’t see a large difference between the two. One will be slightly blurrier that’s about it.

 

[Lysandros]

Depends on the size of Tempest and the cache coherency and Cache scrubbers etc, or the SRAM for IO. So we dont know.

All we know is we will get much more RDNA2 information and people will be free to talk more, even more so after white paper.

Wouldn't the Tempest Engine be smaller than a normal CU since it's stripped of its caches?

 

[geordiemp]

Maybe from whoever said this,

"Ps5 is not going to have 128 MB of L2 like an 80 CU PC part, so max half at 64 MB, but its a console so 32 MB would be a good bet...."

That was my first reply to someone asking without having looked at any calculations. Could still be true, although a few posts later when I looked at the calcs I revised it down to 16 MB. If you want to mock my estimations, feel free, I dont really care.

Lets wait and see eh ?

The PC part of 40 CU is listed in apple drivers as only 192 bit bus, so its a balance ps5 is 256 bit so will not need as much for memory efficiency.

However, there is the ray tracing aspect. And quite frankly, if RDNA2 PC is chucking 96 MB at the solution, neither console will be in that game.

XSX has a wider memory bus, so it can get away with a lower L2, so there are many ways to skin a cat,.

There is one good thing, your starting to realise its not just about TF and memory bandwidth, we are making progress /..

 

[Riky]

There is nothing to really discuss, i believe the ps5 is a better-more thought developed console, simple as that. You don't want to believe nor do your friends because it paints your console in a negative light.


I personally think the Xbox one sxs what ever the fuck it is called is a standard piece of kit thrown together in a box.
Look at the speeds of that Gpu, what the fuck is going on there.

The console with an inferior GPU, a slower CPU, lower memory bandwidth and is larger is now better thought out and developed

Looking at the power supply and the fact the PS5 has to downclock at a certain power threshold, a point a lot of people are conveniently forgetting, I'd be pretty surprised if the XSX isn't also cooler and quieter on top.

 

[sircaw]

The console with an inferior GPU, a slower CPU, lower memory bandwidth and is larger is now better thought out and developed

Looking at the power supply and the fact the PS5 has to downclock at a certain power threshold, a point a lot of people are conveniently forgetting, I'd be pretty surprised if the XSX is also cooler and quieter on top.

did you read what i said or are you not paying attention to my points on purpose.

Let me spell it out for your slowly. The Digital Found guy Said he has heard fromDevolpers that the Ps5 is quite an amazing piece of kit and is really really special. Others have been saying its the console we will be talking about in years to come. Why would they say that about a system that has an inferior Gpu and slow cpu.

It means Cerny did some amazing work in development because its getting close to the XBOX. Please just try and think about it for a minute.

 

[nosseman]

PS5 has 36CUs and a 315mm^2 chip and the XSX has 52CUs and 360mm^2 chip. XsX has 44% more CU count than PS5 but only 13% bigger SoC! CUs in PS5 GPU should have been bigger than what is inside XsX! RDNA2 Comput Units supposed to be noticeably bigger than RDNA1 Comput Units! And maybe other features like infinity cache or something like that!

You missing that that there are other things on the Soc like the CPU also and they are the same.

If you remove the CPU (same on both Soc:s) and other things that are same on both consoles the Series X might very well be 44% bigger.

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[Snowdonhoffen]

The console with an inferior GPU, a slower CPU, lower memory bandwidth and is larger is now better thought out and developed

~60% lower memory bandwidth and ~40% faster memory bandwidth
Just saying, let's not ignore the slower ram segment on the other console.

 

[danielJackson]

Bullshit.

The community put up with a lot of shit from you, and if it all turns sour next week there needs to be a real apology.

This “funny“ fish thing is done. A bunch of you have turned the community toxic.

Seriously now if next week doesn’t go as you planned, how do you expect to make it up to them?

Are you just mad that fish can be funnier than us humans?