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The Executive Leadership at 343 Needs to Go
- Thread starter SpartanN92
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Shubh_C63
Member
Ok how about we don't assume these people personality is all around SJW stuff.
Also there could a chance they are just doing the best they can. Obviously not ok if we are buying the product but maybe it's their skill ceiling. Maybe the wise decision is to not buy, like I didn't with WC3Reforged.
Also,
Also there could a chance they are just doing the best they can. Obviously not ok if we are buying the product but maybe it's their skill ceiling. Maybe the wise decision is to not buy, like I didn't with WC3Reforged.
Also,
People were mad about its art style ? I loved the art style, it holds to even this day compared to Infinite. (Have not played H4, only seen)
It looks there are about 60 employees in the International Women's Day picture, and the last estimate we have for the total number of employees was 450 in 2016.
It seems to me that it's the opposite way around: criticism of the game automatically becomes criticism of the amount of "diversity" in the studio, even though no one has any real insight into the development process.
McCheese
Member
...Of which 75% were actual women.
mcjmetroid
Member
Nobody would get fired that high up in a position though. Perhaps she should be moved to a role more suited to her within Microsoft.
Concern
Member
How dare you judge their gender. What if they all "identify" as women? Please drop your twitter so you can be canceled.
(If it wasn't clear, it was a joke lol)
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Like I said, go on track record of output, international players, launch quality, multiplayer retention, campaign reviews, working games etc. I have zero care about their hiring or staff practices. I care about the output of the resulting game, whomever has the talent or leadership. If I look at the track record of 343 as a whole studio I'm not super impressed as I was with say CE or H2 or H3 by comparison.
What company in the world would retain the leadership that has objectively failed at launch for 2 out of 3 of their last major products or services?
True, but the underlying problems have to be fixed rather than just reshuffling senior management. For example, if there is an overreliance on contractors, then that needs to be addressed; if there is an issue with the underlying technology, then they may need to re-architect parts of the engine, and then focus on changing the way their technology is developed in the first place. If these issues would be best addressed by a different management team, then sure, it makes sense to clear house.
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YOU PC BRO?!
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As others have said 343 should never have been granted access to make a Halo game until they had earned the right. Microsoft have other IPs that they could have worked on without the pressure involved in producing a system selling Halo game. The rumours of $500 million budget for Infinite is a ridiculous joke considering 343 don’t have a single top tier game to their name.
IPs at Microsoft should be more respected and coveted. There should be incentives for the studios to work on one of the big ones when they show they can make a great game I.e. Playground Games getting Fable Cause they earned the right to it on the back of their excellent Horizon games.
IPs at Microsoft should be more respected and coveted. There should be incentives for the studios to work on one of the big ones when they show they can make a great game I.e. Playground Games getting Fable Cause they earned the right to it on the back of their excellent Horizon games.
Bragr
Banned
Am I the only one who thinks that making Infinite into a 10 year service game is a problem? if it comes up short, as I assume it will, it will strand the entire Halo franchise for 10 years.
They both had the Halo franchise for about a decade now. During that time:
Bungie: Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, Halo: Reach.
343: Halo 4, Halo 5.
After the Halo Infinite fiasco, that studio needs to be rearranged, they have had too many chances at this point. Considering the money Microsoft is throwing around, hiring some senior proven developers to run that studio should not be a problem.
They both had the Halo franchise for about a decade now. During that time:
Bungie: Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, Halo: Reach.
343: Halo 4, Halo 5.
After the Halo Infinite fiasco, that studio needs to be rearranged, they have had too many chances at this point. Considering the money Microsoft is throwing around, hiring some senior proven developers to run that studio should not be a problem.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
If it comes up short they'll obviously abandon it sooner than 10 years or have some token insignificant support there like cycling the preexisting events and what not, just to be able to say they kept the promise.
They're not gonna keep sinking big money into it for no reason or something, lol. Plans change (and it might not even be a real plan, just big talk to convince people it's made to be awesome and have longevity).
They're not gonna keep sinking big money into it for no reason or something, lol. Plans change (and it might not even be a real plan, just big talk to convince people it's made to be awesome and have longevity).
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ChuckeRearmed
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Halo hasn't been Halo since 4. I believe Destiny is more Halo than 343 Halo.
The service game itself is not a problem - Destiny is doing just fine.
If their budget is bigger than 200kk, then it means they could have created GTA5 level game already. Yet we got Craig.
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Roman Empire
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Fuck, I really wanted Halo to be better but 343 just kills it for me. I don't wish for anyone to lose their jobs but I got be wondering what Microsoft thinks about all of this in the long run after all the latest acquisitions. It wouldn't surprise me 343I getting disbanded and its employees being sent as a workforce to other Microsoft Studios.
Team Andromeda
Member
I'll have a bet that Halo Infinite will be utterly brilliant. I can't wait for the game to wipe the smile off the SONY Generation
ResilientBanana
Member
Craig appeared for literally a millisecond. Someone paused at the right time to capture it.Halo hasn't been Halo since 4. I believe Destiny is more Halo than 343 Halo.
The service game itself is not a problem - Destiny is doing just fine.
If their budget is bigger than 200kk, then it means they could have created GTA5 level game already. Yet we got Craig.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
We can blame 343 management, sure. There's a whole chain of people that failed between Spencer and 343
How did Phil Spencer, the head of the department, not know what state his products were in?
How did Phil Spencer, the head of the department, not know what state his products were in?
digoutyoursoul
Member
Exactly. He gets away with a lot that fella. Never understood why some put him on such a high pedestal.
VincentMatts
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
lock2k
Banned
This comment should be carved in stone or at least sent out to every university for every motherfucker to read and think about it. I agree wholeheartedly.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I'm starting to think we won't be getting Halo Infinite in March of 2021.
Release multiplayer standalone, 343!
Release multiplayer standalone, 343!
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
this game is a disaster
ultrazilla
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
SONY fans are secretly hoping 343 never releases Halo Infinite because in their mind Masterchief is intimidating. SONY is dead last in FPS games.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
It doesn't matter. Craig has defined Halo Infinite for the Internet Community and will associate with Halo for quite some time.
In general, Microsoft constantly has issues with demos - they are either CG or lackluster. They should learn from Sony in that regard.
Bergoglio
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Rolla
Banned
Thankfully the spectrum of gaming is broader than just one genre.
Bergoglio
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lefty1117
Gold Member
Just responding to the first post, did not read whole thread. I think it's fine to make changes based on the performance of the games but when you start throwing feminazi and sjw and other more opinionated stuff in there, as well as making it personal by including their pictures, I think the argument you're trying to make loses validity. Better if you don't mix opinion with facts. The facts are the metrics around the sales performance of the game, and the aggregate critical/user review scores. Everything else is opinion. (ie, what you call "sjw" and is a negative in your mind, to someone else means inclusive and they're happy about it. instead of worrying about stuff like that, let's just focus on results)
01011001
Banned
well looking at the most successful games... not much broader lol
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Halo lives on in the hearts of its fans. Its the industry that's not handling the property properly. Its basically been a game to conduct business around.
SpartanN92
Banned
Yes. Halo 4’s art direction is widely disliked by fans of the franchise.
They made lots of unnecessary changes just because. I’m not gonna beat this dead horse any further so I’ll put it this way: There is a reason why in Infinite all the designs look closer to their Halo 1-Reach designs and not like their 4-5 designs.
diffusionx
Gold Member
It might be time to just call this whole 343 experiment a failure and wrap it up. How much worse would Halo games be if they just gave the game to a studio like Sumo Digital or Asobo to work on?
No, it was part of their pack of official screenshots that came out alongside the trailer.
These Halo: Infinite Screenshots Look Hilariously Bad
Today, Microsoft and 343 Industries revealed a new Halo Infinite trailer and our first raw look at [...]
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ripeavocado
Banned
343 has been a clusterfuck since its incepetion, their employees should not pay the toll for their managers mistakes, they must go and the performance of those who put them in charge should be reviewed.
Halo was the crown jewel of MGS now it's a joke.
They had plenty of time and resources potentially available to develop Infinite, something went horribly wrong and whoever is responsible must pay.
Halo was the crown jewel of MGS now it's a joke.
They had plenty of time and resources potentially available to develop Infinite, something went horribly wrong and whoever is responsible must pay.
Bragr
Banned
Do you really want Halo to be like Destiny though? I think Halo is a franchise that needs installments, like Halo 1, 2 and 3, with new engines and major improvements. I like Destiny, but those new expansions certainly don't feel like new games. Not only that, but Halo should be a major selling point for Xbox, its identity is tied to Xbox and new installments should generate hype and anticipation for the brand. A 10 year Halo would be cool for 2 years, then lame for 8.Halo hasn't been Halo since 4. I believe Destiny is more Halo than 343 Halo.
The service game itself is not a problem - Destiny is doing just fine.
If their budget is bigger than 200kk, then it means they could have created GTA5 level game already. Yet we got Craig.
Bragr
Banned
I don't know about that, when I say come up short, I mean a 85 metacritic game or some such, a game that's generally great but not good enough to be a 10 year game. With the full support of Xbox and the name of Halo though, I expect it to still get a decent audience, and we will be left with a decent game that simmers for 10 years instead of having 2-3 full Halo sequels.
ResilientBanana
Member
No, it wasn't.It might be time to just call this whole 343 experiment a failure and wrap it up. How much worse would Halo games be if they just gave the game to a studio like Sumo Digital or Asobo to work on?
No, it was part of their pack of official screenshots that came out alongside the trailer.
These Halo: Infinite Screenshots Look Hilariously Bad
Today, Microsoft and 343 Industries revealed a new Halo Infinite trailer and our first raw look at [...]comicbook.com
fallingdove
Member
Behind Nintendo? Behind Zynga? That's rough.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Who said March 2021? I was "thinking" Holiday 2021"
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I assumed March because late delays are typically short delays.
oldergamer
Member
The single player story hasn't been good since halo 2. Its over complicated.
Have you seen the video recapping the entire Halo story? it's a total mess.
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oldergamer
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Anyway, decisions regarding management at any game developer should not be made based on overly entitled armchair developers that don't know where the issues really are, or what the underlying problem is.
I find it fucking annoying people on a forum are calling for people to get fired, which is mostly due to a unfinished demo of a recent game and unconfirmed rumors of development problems. anyone on the forum that hasn't been involved in game development, really has no fucking clue what they are talking about.
I find it fucking annoying people on a forum are calling for people to get fired, which is mostly due to a unfinished demo of a recent game and unconfirmed rumors of development problems. anyone on the forum that hasn't been involved in game development, really has no fucking clue what they are talking about.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
To me, it seems to not only be a poor planning strategy, but a poor marketing strategy as well.
Keep these things close to the vest. I don't feel like the average fan of video games is salivating when a studio tells us they'll be supporting a game with constant updates for a decade. I know I don't. Sure, we want our games supported, but "games as a service", at this point, gives us anxiety not optimism. And now that the word is out there, 343 will look incredibly silly if things don't work out the way they are optimistically hoping. Furthermore, If the game is great, we'd be willing buy the sequel in five years.
It's akin to film franchises announcing these "shared universes" before the first film in the franchise is even out, and then we see it crash and bomb.
Long story short, don't try and sell us on a "10 year game", because it doesn't excite us and could easily convey the idea that you don't know what you're doing should you need to call an audible.
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AJUMP23
Gold Member
The Gravemind could make Halo great again.
Skullkid94700
Neo Member
Agreed, but Halo 5 had a great multiplayer experience. Warzone was great, Firefight is awesome and I dont hate the REQ system. I think it spices up gameplay and makes things fresh. Classic Multiplayer felt pretty good as well.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Nah... to be fair, I would never trade Halo 5 by Destiny. Imo Halo 5 is a much better game, and definitely more Halo than Destiny. (as it obviously should've been)Halo hasn't been Halo since 4. I believe Destiny is more Halo than 343 Halo.
The service game itself is not a problem - Destiny is doing just fine.
If their budget is bigger than 200kk, then it means they could have created GTA5 level game already. Yet we got Craig.
And I am not even defending 343. I think there's definitely something wrong with this studio since every single Halo they released up until this date (Halo 4, Halo 5 and Halo MCC) came packed with at least one serious issue. Halo 4 had the problem of being considerably worse in both SP and MP compared to Halo 1 to Reach; Halo 5 had the issue of having a very problematic campaign with a story that made no good for the franchise at all; and Halo MCC had that stupidly broken MP release.
But I believe that there is a portion of the team that is very competent. Halo 5 looks and plays great for the platform it was meant to run on (Xbox One fat) and I had tons of fun with it's multiplayer.
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