Topher
Gold Member
And Geometry Engine provides PS3-like depth but isn't required as it can do much on its own.
Yeah.....that sounds really good but I have no clue what it actually means.
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RedGamingTech: "Why Series X is having performance problems."
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And Geometry Engine provides PS3-like depth but isn't required as it can do much on its own.
Yeah.....that sounds really good but I have no clue what it actually means.
GymWolf
Member
Cerny personally wank on every ps5 that get produced, liquid metal they say...
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
That's literally every youtuber ever.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
The denial is real.
XBOX SERIES X/S | LAUNCH OT | THE X-FACTOR
RELEASE DATE: November 10th, 2020 PRICE: United States: $299 (Series S) $499 (Series X) Eurozone: €299 (Series S) €499 (Series X) United Kingdom: £249 (Series S) £449.99 (Series X) Canada: $379 CAD (Series S) $599 CAD (Series X) Australia & Oceania: AU$499 (Series S) AU$749 (Series X) Brazil...
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Literally nobody here has said he wasnt reliable now. They're just confused because he hasn't presented anything we didn't already suspect. Nice try deflecting thoHaha, so now RGT is not talking about secret sauces and caches, he becomes non-reliable and empty vessal!
like every core gamers know, GDK/XDK is far behind. Sony SDK was built to get PS5 games up in a month, half the time of PS1 and PS4!
ANIMAL1975
Member
Serious question. SeriesX BC is software emulation _ isn't it working wonders and far ahead of Sonys implementation?
And what about Velocity architecture that is getting the games loading as fast as on PS5, when on paper the theoretical difference is double the speed? They are software tools, they working as advertised and even better, they are up to date...
And what about Velocity architecture that is getting the games loading as fast as on PS5, when on paper the theoretical difference is double the speed? They are software tools, they working as advertised and even better, they are up to date...
Barakov
Gold Member
Well, they're not very good at hardware either so they should hire another company to help do that as well. It's kinda amazing they're still in the console space given all the missteps they've had.Microsoft should hire a company that does software to help them with the SDK's.
They aren't very good at it
Exactly.
MS, Phil is talking the talk, but not backing it up.
And ppl were concerned that Sony were too quiet....lol.
Leading by example is also a good strategy.
MS, Phil actually had Next Gen Frame Rates in their marketing.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
We really just have no clue what direction the performance will go.
That includes anyone trying really hard to say the GDK is perfectly mature and won't change and people saying it's early and will improve.
There is no will/won't... both systems will likely see improvements over time with games getting better looking and/or performing as is the normal console cycle. Whether XSX will improve more or PS5 will is totally unknown.
What we do know is the PS5 is performing great with launch titles; XSX isn't quite matching up right now. We have people claiming devs are in fact finding it easier on PS5, we've heard that rumor for like a year now... so it does appear there are devs with this opinion. None of it really matters, as even if it comes from a developer it's all only theoretical how things will change over time.
We also know Sony are wizards at producing crazy shit.. and everyone in the industry has been raving about their tooling since the PS4 / post-PS3 era... so even if MS has room for improvement... good luck lol
That includes anyone trying really hard to say the GDK is perfectly mature and won't change and people saying it's early and will improve.
There is no will/won't... both systems will likely see improvements over time with games getting better looking and/or performing as is the normal console cycle. Whether XSX will improve more or PS5 will is totally unknown.
What we do know is the PS5 is performing great with launch titles; XSX isn't quite matching up right now. We have people claiming devs are in fact finding it easier on PS5, we've heard that rumor for like a year now... so it does appear there are devs with this opinion. None of it really matters, as even if it comes from a developer it's all only theoretical how things will change over time.
We also know Sony are wizards at producing crazy shit.. and everyone in the industry has been raving about their tooling since the PS4 / post-PS3 era... so even if MS has room for improvement... good luck lol
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01011001
Banned
but but last month you guys loved RGT lol
example 1:
Red Gaming Tech (RGT): The PS5 has a custom feature to be found in future RDNA 3 Cards.
It normally is a tight nit group and you all appreciate how much it takes to create a video game, when I used to work for Sony and was embedded in the first party studios staff work extremely hard so when Indie Devs or small time devs who have not worked on a corporate level shit on people its...www.neogaf.com
I mean of course they did, just like they flopflop about DF every other day.
once again a reminder that this forum is full of hypocrites... I often repeat it but it gets worse and worse
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makemehappyagain
Banned
Gimme dat Cerny Sauce
supernova8
Banned
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
SegaSnatcher
Member
That’s what his most beloved fans have been doing for him ever since he started talking about 12 TFlops and the magic of the velocity engine.
Agnostic2020
Member
30% win over ps5
Be humble for fuck sake . After all your shit talking about ps5 and the seen shit result of xsx vs ps5, you guys don't ever learn to be humble .
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-Arcadia-
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Yep. I chalk it up to how immature and echo-chambered the average person is becoming. It’s especially obvious when these console warriors step into other parts of Gaf, and bring the same obnoxious behaviors with them.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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Concern
Member
but but last month you guys loved RGT lol
example 1:
Red Gaming Tech (RGT): The PS5 has a custom feature to be found in future RDNA 3 Cards.
It normally is a tight nit group and you all appreciate how much it takes to create a video game, when I used to work for Sony and was embedded in the first party studios staff work extremely hard so when Indie Devs or small time devs who have not worked on a corporate level shit on people its...
RDNA3 and Zen 3 remember? "Tick tock" lol
Guy is just trying to get his subs up. He's as clueless as the spec thread engineers
reinking
Gold Member
It starts at these type videos and spreads to other youtube channels that are more mainstream. As you said, most people do not have access to the new consoles yet. It will be those people buying consoles when these messages are more mainstream. Anyone that bought an XB based on the "power" narrative should be unhappy. Those of us that bought it on the Game Pass/BC narrative should still be fine with the purchase.
SegaSnatcher
Member
30% really? I mean do you honestly believe that or did you just poop out that number just to get a response? If sincere you will be having a rough time as a Series X owner if that is your expectations. Even 15% will not be guaranteed in every situation. Honestly 15% is probably best case scenerio in real world performance gap.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
This.
Guilty_AI
Member
He mentioned it but not really on point with the question the video tries to answer, seeing as this isn't used right now.
This kind of optimization depth only really shows up later in the generation and will serve mostly to help the console not fall too behind the latest tech.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
im too lazy to go through my post history but i always thought he was full of shit.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Haha, so now RGT is not talking about secret sauces and caches, he becomes non-reliable and empty vessal!
like every core gamers know, GDK/XDK is far behind. Sony SDK was built to get PS5 games up in a month, half the time of PS1 and PS4!
So this means you accept that PS5 has some more advanced features in their console too, right?
You shouldn't stop there. He did in fact say that Sony's would continue to improve too and you're actually expecting up to a 30% performance increase over the PS5.
MasterCornholio
Member
Tick tock?
Is that a reference to the multiplats proving the XSX superiority in games?
Microsoft should hire a company that does software to help them with the SDK's.
They aren't very good at it
Yeah, they should hire Sony.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I read through both pages, who is bashing him on this? Seems a couple of you are trying to add noise where there isn’t any.
People are cracking their “tools jokes” which have nothing to do with it being a RGT thread or not.
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BabyYoda
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I've said it before here and received a load of lols, Microsoft changed to a new SDK, or GDK, the new ones allows development of a game across all three consoles and the PC, all with the same code pretty much. The advantages here are obvious. Sony went with the same development tools they used last gen, albeit with some additions. The advantage here is obvious as pointed by Cerny in that speech he gave where he seemed like he was high. Sony's SDK is a lot maturer and their devkit kits were also in developers hands a lot sooner from what I've heard.
Essentially I think we'll see the more powerful Series X pull ahead, maybe even within a few months, these are extraordinary times mind you, so it may take longer. If 3rd parties still run worse on the Series X in a year or two, then we can talk!
Essentially I think we'll see the more powerful Series X pull ahead, maybe even within a few months, these are extraordinary times mind you, so it may take longer. If 3rd parties still run worse on the Series X in a year or two, then we can talk!
NullZ3r0
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This makes sense as MS admitted that they were late on the hardware as they were waiting for full RDNA2 features.Says someone from Ubi told him the tools weren’t as advanced as Sony’s, or am I misunderstanding him?
I find this guy takes a really, really long time to say absolutely nothing.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Making sense isn't all that prevalent in some of these threads.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
- Tools (largest SW company and inventor of Direct X)
- Memory bottleneck due to two bandwidths
- CPU overhead OS/Hypervisors/etc.
- Design was to be scale-able, not optimal: slow and wide
- "Full RDNA 2" means not designed for a console, but for DirectX scaling across platforms
- No Cerney sauce
- No equivalent in Ice team
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
But still nowhere hear as hideous as a PS5.Damn that Series X on his office looks horrible with all those fingerprints on it.
Knitted Knight
Banned
RGT cashing in.... not bad..
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Oof, I feel pity for a game developer right now. Especially considering that they can be reached via private messaging.Dirt 5 developer were asked why Xbox Series X runs worse, and replied:
Yeah, especially with all the problems going on with Codemasters right now.
Topher
Gold Member
Wait....what? You are giving Microsoft a pass for a "year or two"?
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Considering that they were sold to T2, I wonder how many people were/will be laid off.
Yep, that too
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
LordOfChaos
Member
Didn't watch the video, but presuming this is about the shift from the XDK to the GDK (general development kit), which is somewhat less baked right now than Sony's, and is less Xbox specific. Will undoubtedly improve with time, but it was coming in hot with launch timing.
sublimit
Banned
You can hate its design all you want (which is subjective) but at least it's not a fingerprint magnet like the Series X is. Maybe if MS release a white version it will look fine.
REDRZA MWS
Member
Says someone from Ubi told him the tools weren’t as advanced as Sony’s, or am I misunderstanding him?
You can’t be serious. MS has ALWAYS been a software company first. I’m positive the SDK will get way better over time. Sony was always known as a hardware company (TV’s, Walkman’s, and audio equipment. Yet MS is eating their lunch there. The One X was Better than the Pro. And the Series X has 2 more TF’s to play with in the end.