Agnostic2020
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He is not technical . Don't argue with facts . He loved fud about ps5 which is a trait of some xbox hard-core fans . Fake info about ps5
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[Gamers Nexus] Weak Design: PlayStation 5 Thermals, Power, & Noise Testing
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Internal components reaching dangerous temps is not something I would call a minor issue.
And that's on winter, with a new and (I guess) clean system and while playing fucking Astrodude.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
MS said that they will tune it, because now there is almost zero point having the console in the sleep mode, when SSD boots up the system that fast.
And not sure who designed it, honestly, it seems rather like an oversight.
Handy Fake
Member
Was just going to say, NAND is meant to stay well warm and just fluctuate.
mitchman
Gold Member
GDK is not new, devs have stated they've had it since February.
longdi
Banned
nand should not be over cooled in use. there is a optimal temp, but you definitely dont want it to hit 80-90c
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Really? Because why else you have such a big cooler on PC SSDs?
And they've had the PS5 dev kit longer. And the version they can use to actually publish games was only made available to developers in June. And still, it's a work in progress. Keep trying.
TaylorSwiftFan
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Why would you assume that people have heard of him? Is he supposed to be as known as Digital Foundry or Nx Gamer? I’m on GAF almost everyday and I have never heard of him.Can’t wait for Sony fanboys to be like “who is gamers nexus? Never heard of him”.
This choice of cooling is the high standard across almost every quality appliance. Provide contact where needed, pull the heat from where it is to where it needs to go using heatpipes, cool the heatsink with a fan. Regulate the fan accordingly to keep the hottest component bellow tjmax, which, by the way, all components of the PS5 are.
So, unfounded concern.
Md Ray
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That doesn't translate to better perf automatically. It's harder to utilize higher count CUs than lower count ones. Also, PS5's GPU runs at 22% higher clock speed. So it has a 22% advantage in pixel fillrate and rasterization rate, etc. XSX GPU doesn't have a clear cut GPU advantage. And we can see that in more than one game's performance.
0.1 GHz. So basically the same.
As for the bandwidth, only 10GB of the pool is at an advantage, the other 6GB is -25% slower than PS5.
There is VRS apparently according to a dev from Activision. GE is a new hardware feature that brings primitive shaders which is likely mesh shaders with a different name. There is likely SFS equivalent too but they haven't disclosed any of them. MS is talking but showing nothing whereas Sony is silent and just letting the games do the talking.
You just googled this subject for the first time in your life and made your mind within 1 minute of research. Search some more.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
PS5 has firepower and is going to be around for the next 5 years
Md Ray
Member
It can vary based on the background workload. On idle in the menu, it's 47W according to DF.add this: ps5 uses 100w just at the xmb menu!
that is your 4k hdr fancy menu. wtf..
AGRacing
Gold Member
I wouldn't worry about it. As he alludes to at the end Sony has access to the on-hardware temperature probes and has seen how it performs themselves...
Steve has made me roll my eyes a few times in the past - not many - but in this video his theory about Sony obtaining a "letter of exception" from the RAM manufacturer made my eyes do a full 360 in my skull. #RAMGATE
Steve has made me roll my eyes a few times in the past - not many - but in this video his theory about Sony obtaining a "letter of exception" from the RAM manufacturer made my eyes do a full 360 in my skull. #RAMGATE
JareBear: Remastered
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GN is one of the best sources for tech analysis on YouTube. I rely on them for any GPU and CPU testing results.
Great video as always. Sounds like everything is fine except the memory runs a bit hot but the beast fan has headroom to run faster if needed. I’ll trade a little noise for better cooling, if needed.
My PS5 is on for 10+ hour sessions regularly with an external SSD hooked up beside it and haven’t had an issue yet.
Great video as always. Sounds like everything is fine except the memory runs a bit hot but the beast fan has headroom to run faster if needed. I’ll trade a little noise for better cooling, if needed.
My PS5 is on for 10+ hour sessions regularly with an external SSD hooked up beside it and haven’t had an issue yet.
More CU (and therefore shaders etc.) on the the same architecture is always better. Unless you think a 6800 will out perform a 6900xt. Clock speed do not give the boost you think they do compared to having more cores in the GPU do the paradigm of parallelization. The rest of your post is speculation as is per usual about "hidden features". And primitive shaders are not the same as mesh shaders lol.
To keep performance from down-throttling in extensive use. The same product will be installed in hundreds of different configurations. They need to cover all kinds of cooling or lack there of.
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longdi
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you show me which other studies have nand flash of ssd needs to run beyond 'warm' temps?
MetalAlien
Banned
Yea like I said before... those panels are coming off if I get one and they are going into the garbage.
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prinz_valium
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Definitely way more known and reputable outlet than NX Gamer.
Less known than Digital Foundry, tho.
One of the best Tech channels out there. It's always much more detailed than pretty much everyone else.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Well obviously, but in this thread, there is a notion that NAND should be warm during operation, but I don't think that's really a the case with any semi conductor.
your definition of warm vs hot is not the industry standard.
It helped his PS5 run 5C cooler in the limited benchmarking he performed. Honestly if you can I don’t see how it could hurt.
mitchman
Gold Member
Right back at ya, buddy.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
When I first saw the PS5 design I said “that looks like it’s gonna get hot” mostly due to the look of the panels.
Im either gonna try to find modified ones with vents/holes or or consider leaving them off
You would be wrong. Fluctuating temperatures is what damages most IC due to heat/cooling cycles of expansion. Nand is another matter with other issues. It should not be cooled if in its normal operation it does not surpass its rated temp.
MetalAlien
Banned
We keep saying it but it's true... you were missed...
alabtrosMyster
Banned
This is the voice of gaming Jesus, the true lord of the gamers.
He knows his stuff, and he is not impressed by the console gaming press (I have not had the time to watch, but he doesn't seem impressed by the ps5's thermal solution either).
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Oh definitely thermal flex is bad, however semiconductors suffer in higher heat, because they have less resitance and thus are more vulnerable towards spikes in voltage and etc. Can you please throw me some article about NAND and temp, if you have one? : )
THEAP99
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I could've sworn though it's recommended to keep them on because taking them off could ruin airflow? Hopefully someone does rigorous testing playing with them off
Also, it's hilarious that the PS5 has better thermals with the panels off
The panels and the shape serve the purpose to avoid any other equipment to be stacked against PS5, something you would be able to do if it was flat. They have to prevent the worst scenarios and it was clear from PS4 that the choice they made here would bring benefits.
Once you adopt this strategy, which shape the panels have exactly is up to the design and marketing, as long as the shape is curved and not flat.
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I’d take a setting in the UI to prefer slightly cooler operation at the expense of a bit of noise.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
If you don’t have a gaming PC or built one you wouldn’t know who he is. Don’t worry lol. Steve isn’t a Jim Sterling level of personality.
Rikkori
Member
I was expecting much worse based on the title, but this is mostly fine. The issue with the memory temps is that a higher ambient can easily spike that to 100 C, and in the long run I'll wager a lot of PS5s will have an "early" death out of warranty. Luckily it's mostly fixable with removing the plates, and for the really hardcore you could add some thermal pads yourself.
Of course it's hard to argue that that's acceptable for such a mass market product. Very clearly though Sony doesn't care this generation as they're in the milking their customer base phase of the console cycle. Aka Arrogant Sony is back!
It's gonna be fun to see how this does 3-4 years down the line.
Of course it's hard to argue that that's acceptable for such a mass market product. Very clearly though Sony doesn't care this generation as they're in the milking their customer base phase of the console cycle. Aka Arrogant Sony is back!
It's gonna be fun to see how this does 3-4 years down the line.
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Md Ray
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6800's frequency doesn't run 22% higher than 6900 XT though. What's the point of that comparison?
The PS5's GPU has some clear advantages over XSX GPU and it even shows up in more than one game's performance as I said. Why are you downplaying that? More shaders are good, yes. 18% more TF on XSX. But the PS5 has a 22% faster throughput elsewhere in the GPU.
And it shows:
AssCreed e.g. is a bit extreme. Ignore that if you want. But you get my point.
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skneogaf
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He says it's obviously a good thing if warm/hot air is coming out of the back as this will mean the cooling is working well at getting the heat out of the system.
It will be the same thing with the xbox series x so if that does feel warm/hot at the top then good.
I hope Steve trys to improve the ram cooling with a thermal pad or something.
It will be the same thing with the xbox series x so if that does feel warm/hot at the top then good.
I hope Steve trys to improve the ram cooling with a thermal pad or something.
They suffer with Heat because it shortens the electrical wave which means you have to increase the voltage for the same effect. This in turn increases the wattage which in turn increases the cooling needs. Electric migration only occurs in EXTREME voltages and temps.
Once you design a product, all these factors are estimated, including costs of RMA from malfunctions.
People are trying to dramatize what isn't a problem and giving ill-intended opinions to other people to not buy the product. Its moronic and evil.
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THEAP99
Banned
Oh noooes i feel there is a thermalgate incoming. A lot of ps5 have artefacts at the moment. Sounds like the memory is getting to hot
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M1chl
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No no, I am asking due to my PC, this is like a OT, I have actively cooled SSD and now I am conteplating if that's a good idea... Because one of my SSD shit the bed and that was also actively cooled. DIY obviously.
Md Ray
Member
The massive 120mm fan is right next to it and is blowing air onto those SSD NAND flash memory, genius. Your concern trolling is showing.yes it is weird to see sony chose not to cool the ssd nand flash and the gddr6.
just a few dabs of thermal paste and spread to the steel internal chasis.
here is your nand 'cooling' in ps5...
doesnt even have direct contact with the main big heatsink.
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JackMcGunns
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longdi
Banned
dont genius me dear
the 120mm may aid the nand cooling, but not the gddr6 it seems.
besides i have not seen steel being used as a heat conductor over aluminium or copper. very peculiar choice by the new Sony guy.
And because Xbox Series X has a similiar problem its ok or what?
Hope Sony and MS get it fixed ASAP. 93 celcius on a brandnew Ps5s memory isn't a good indicator for the next few months.
Gen.Grievous
Member
You have no clue about hardware do you? This is how memory in nearly all GPUs is cooled.no.
see my screenshot above.
if that was done on a pc gpu, shit will hit the fan i say!
Md Ray
Member
How is that hilarious? Even the vast majority of PCs have better thermals with the panels off. Even XSX will have better thermals with its outer shell off.Also, it's hilarious that the PS5 has better thermals with the panels off
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