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Jason Schreier's industry sources: PS5 is superior in ways that Sony has not communicated yet

DeepEnigma

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Even Richard Leadbetter stated in his Digital Foundry review on Dirt 5 that Microsoft need to change their messaging regarding Series S and its 1440p at up to 120FPS marketing because its highly optimistic. It can't even get there in a cross gen launch game.

But remember when DF “built a computer comparable to the S” to prove that it will live up to the marketing for next gen?

Twas not that long ago. Oh, Richard.
 

thelastword

Banned
Man people attacked Jason so hard, but redemption for the man afterall......He may just be one of the few journalists left that does well researched, bonafide articles anymore.....He normally don't make stuff up, like the guy who said "most devs don't want PRO and would not develop for it".......He was never part of that 8TF bandwagon and I'm sure he is not on this tools bandwagon either,,,,
 

FritzJ92

Member
Jason was right all along and so were some insiders. I knew this would be the case. Cerny tried to warn us all but fanboys wanted to simplify everything to Tflops 😆.

I’m not too surprised by the results we are seeing since I actually believed Jason Schrier and the few insiders that told us Tflops didn’t tell the whole story, what really surprises me a bit is the Series S. I knew the Series S was going to be a potato that wouldn’t hit the 1440p standard MS claimed it would but I didn’t think we would be seeing resolutions as low as 576p. I thought 900p and 720p would be a thing but 576p is 360/PS3 era shit 😂.

At 120hz... whos buying a XSS to play at 120hz?
 
At 120hz... whos buying a XSS to play at 120hz?
Sounds like damage control. I heard the Series S would be matching the Series X in everything but resolution. We even had people like Tom Warren expecting the Series S to outperform the PS5 thanks to its higher clocked CPU lol. Even with games like Assassins Creed that are locked to 30fps on Series S, the console isn’t hitting the 1440p mark.

The console is severely underpowered. The gen is not even even up to two weeks old and we are already seeing 360 era resolutions. I don’t care if it’s 120Hz or not, this shouldn’t be happening with a console that’s marketed as next gen.
 
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Jason was right all along and so were some insiders. I knew this would be the case. Cerny tried to warn us all but fanboys wanted to simplify everything to Tflops 😆.

I’m not too surprised by the results we are seeing since I actually believed Jason Schrier and the few insiders that told us Tflops didn’t tell the whole story, what really surprises me a bit is the Series S. I knew the Series S was going to be a potato that wouldn’t hit the 1440p standard MS claimed it would but I didn’t think we would be seeing resolutions as low as 576p. I thought 900p and 720p would be a thing but 576p is 360/PS3 era shit 😂.
Alan Wake levels os low resolution
 

Md Ray

Member
Jason was right all along and so were some insiders. I knew this would be the case. Cerny tried to warn us all but fanboys wanted to simplify everything to Tflops 😆.

I’m not too surprised by the results we are seeing since I actually believed Jason Schrier and the few insiders that told us Tflops didn’t tell the whole story, what really surprises me a bit is the Series S. I knew the Series S was going to be a potato that wouldn’t hit the 1440p standard MS claimed it would but I didn’t think we would be seeing resolutions as low as 576p. I thought 900p and 720p would be a thing but 576p is 360/PS3 era shit 😂.
I can see why they dropped the 120fps mode on SS in Cold War.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Sounds like damage control. I heard the Series S would be matching the Series X in everything but resolution. We even had people like Tom Warren expecting the Series S to outperform the PS5 thanks to its higher clocked CPU lol. Even with games like Assassins Creed that are locked to 30fps on Series S, the console isn’t hitting the 1440p mark.

The console is severely underpowered. The gen is not even even up to two weeks old and we are already seeing 360 era resolutions. I don’t care if it’s 120Hz or not, this shouldn’t be happening with a console that’s marketed as next gen.

I wonder if MS is demanding feature parity for Xbox S games. If so, that would be a mistake. When the Xbox S has to run games at 576p to hit 120 fps, then it's better to simply not offer 120 fps options on the Xbox Series S anymore. Just market the Series S as a budget 1080p console. and nothing more.
 
Jason was right all along and so were some insiders. I knew this would be the case. Cerny tried to warn us all but fanboys wanted to simplify everything to Tflops 😆.

I’m not too surprised by the results we are seeing since I actually believed Jason Schrier and the few insiders that told us Tflops didn’t tell the whole story, what really surprises me a bit is the Series S. I knew the Series S was going to be a potato that wouldn’t hit the 1440p standard MS claimed it would but I didn’t think we would be seeing resolutions as low as 576p. I thought 900p and 720p would be a thing but 576p is 360/PS3 era shit 😂.

I remember reading somewhere that Cerny's warning of Teraflops being used as a scale of measurement of power is dangerous as damage control for PS5 coming out with lower tflopped console compared to XSX. I think XSX games will shine via exclusives for that console.
 
I wonder if MS is demanding feature parity for Xbox S games. If so, that would be a mistake. When the Xbox S has to run games at 576p to hit 120 fps, then it's better to simply not offer 120 fps options on the Xbox Series S anymore. Just market the Series S as a budget 1080p console. and nothing more.
Yea, I kinda get why they made the Series S because they needed a console that would be considerably cheaper than the PS5 which they probably assumed would start at $399 or $499 but they need to drop the whole parity with X thing. They should just market it as a cheap 1080p console and be done with it.

The Series S is clearly not living up to the 1440p/120fps mark they claimed it would. MS is also in a sticky situation because of how poorly the XB1 did so they can’t use the XB1X which is still a very capable console as their budget console like Sony can with the PS4. I would honestly pick the XB1X any day over the weakass Series S if I was on a tight budget now and in need of an Xbox. I just don’t see the point of a Series S, it seems like a waste of money.
 
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LOL people need to calm down a bit with the Series S, it's a budget console.

Just because it has the name of Xbox, Microsoft is not allowed to sell a $299 console ?

While Nintendo can be expansive and sell the shitiest hardwares whatever they want everytime ?

You really understand what is a $299 price ? a $299 hardware ?

The Xbox One X was $500 at launch.

XSS costs $299, dont forget about that.
 

Bravedwarf

Neo Member
These kind of posts..... Xbox guy here and 2013 era of....

My dad who’s mate with Warner brothers who slept with Lucas arts sisters developer insider told me........ it’s what I’m hearing.... “sniffs cocaine” but Sony can’t communicate the secret sauce........ cause..........

Again from a tech point of view loving the new consoles but ehhhh he said she said..... if it is.... all I can say is prove it in the games (and that goes from both consoles)
 

Radical_3d

Member
But remember when DF “built a computer comparable to the S” to prove that it will live up to the marketing for next gen?

Twas not that long ago. Oh, Richard.
Because GPU wise it run things at par or slightly better than the XOX and has better GPU. In that video he didn’t run nothing at 1440p at 120Hz.
 

John Wick

Member
I know you're probably enjoying yourself too much right now about this, but in that specific case we're still talking about running a game at a frame rate that was a pipe dream on consoles until a week ago, and that no one in their right mind would even expect to be in the Series S version of the game, at all.

There's surely better ammo for console warring out there right now.
Yeah but MS were the ones marketing the SS as the console that can do similar framerates as the SX at 1440p. Remember Albert Panello saying that in his twitter?
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
LOL people need to calm down a bit with the Series S, it's a budget console.

Just because it has the name of Xbox, Microsoft is not allowed to sell a $299 console ?

While Nintendo can be expansive and sell the shitiest hardwares whatever they want everytime ?

You really understand what is a $299 price ? a $299 hardware ?

The Xbox One X was $500 at launch.

XSS costs $299, dont forget about that.

SX seems like a bad option now because:

1. MS marketed it as a 1440p 120FPS console. It's neither doing 1440p nor 120FPS in most games and modes.
2. PS5 DE is just $100 more than XSS and offers significantly better performance and power. Both don't have disk drives. In comparison, XSS offers less value per dollar spent.

So it neither has the best power nor the best value per dollar.
 

Ritsumei2020

Report me for console warring
LOL people need to calm down a bit with the Series S, it's a budget console.

Just because it has the name of Xbox, Microsoft is not allowed to sell a $299 console ?

While Nintendo can be expansive and sell the shitiest hardwares whatever they want everytime ?

You really understand what is a $299 price ? a $299 hardware ?

The Xbox One X was $500 at launch.

XSS costs $299, dont forget about that.


Is this what people mean by ‘bargain phase’ of grief?

‘But look at Nintendo! Their shitty console sell so well! Don't you see, SS is not so bad!’

At least Nintendo never pretended their console could do more than what it does. MS told us SS would do everything the SX does only at 1440p.
 
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SX seems like a bad option now because:

1. MS marketed it as a 1440p 120FPS console. It's neither doing 1440p nor 120FPS in most games and modes.
2. PS5 DE is just $100 more than XSS and offers significantly better performance and power. Both don't have disk drives. In comparison, XSS offers less value per dollar spent.

So it neither has the best power nor the best value per dollar.
We are just at the beginning of the new gen, devkits were late, covid happened, people need to cool down. Let's draw conclusions in a year.
 

TTOOLL

Member
LOL people need to calm down a bit with the Series S, it's a budget console.

Just because it has the name of Xbox, Microsoft is not allowed to sell a $299 console ?

While Nintendo can be expansive and sell the shitiest hardwares whatever they want everytime ?

You really understand what is a $299 price ? a $299 hardware ?

The Xbox One X was $500 at launch.

XSS costs $299, dont forget about that.

But MS put it in the "Next-gen" category so it'll be compared to the big guns. Bad for them.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
I wonder if MS is demanding feature parity for Xbox S games. If so, that would be a mistake. When the Xbox S has to run games at 576p to hit 120 fps, then it's better to simply not offer 120 fps options on the Xbox Series S anymore. Just market the Series S as a budget 1080p console. and nothing more.

Well, the same goes for Series X and PS5. I can play DMCV at 1080p with RT on, yeah no. It looks like trash. The 4k RT mode is PS3 levels of framerate.

All of these new systems are simply not suited for 120hz, RT and 4K together. I agree remove 120hz and RT from the S marketing. It won't end well. But for PS5 and Series X I wouldn't really market them like this either. They struggle to deliver native 4k, they struggle to deliver RT and 120hz at an acceptable IQ or resolution. These consoles aren't powerful enough for these features. Maybe an upgrade or newer gen, but not now. I decided not to get a new TV, its not worth it.

I feel there is a lot missing, like the recent jump in ML/DLSS tech. Who knows if the next wave of consoles have it. Those console makers are foolish for chasing actual 4K and sacrificing things for it.
 
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A lot of games load faster on XsX, despite the faster ssd in ps5, but stuff like that needs tweeking and i'm sure the faster ssd will show a clear win for Sony. And devs will take time to optimise the more than just the launch games (this has always been the case and i believe PS dev kits were earlier than those from XsX and XsS.
 
A lot of games load faster on XsX, despite the faster ssd in ps5, but stuff like that needs tweeking and i'm sure the faster ssd will show a clear win for Sony. And devs will take time to optimise the more than just the launch games (this has always been the case and i believe PS dev kits were earlier than those from XsX and XsS.
Only games in BC mode load faster on the XSX.
 

Mokus

Member
LOL people need to calm down a bit with the Series S, it's a budget console.

Just because it has the name of Xbox, Microsoft is not allowed to sell a $299 console ?

While Nintendo can be expansive and sell the shitiest hardwares whatever they want everytime ?

You really understand what is a $299 price ? a $299 hardware ?

The Xbox One X was $500 at launch.

XSS costs $299, dont forget about that.
For 399 you get a PS5 DE, and by far a it's a better deal between the two. No major compromises for the new generation.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Because GPU wise it run things at par or slightly better than the XOX and has better GPU. In that video he didn’t run nothing at 1440p at 120Hz.

Hey man, I am only commenting about "MS needs to change their messaging" that Richard supposedly said recently, when they were balls deep in that massaging a couple months prior, video and all.
 

Emedan

Member
Yea, I kinda get why they made the Series S because they needed a console that would be considerably cheaper than the PS5 which they probably assumed would start at $399 or $499 but they need to drop the whole parity with X thing. They should just market it as a cheap 1080p console and be done with it.

The Series S is clearly not living up to the 1440p/120fps mark they claimed it would. MS is also in a sticky situation because of how poorly the XB1 did so they can’t use the XB1X which is still a very capable console as their budget console like Sony can with the PS4. I would honestly pick the XB1X any day over the weakass Series S if I was on a tight budget now and in need of an Xbox. I just don’t see the point of a Series S, it seems like a waste of money.

Nah the XB1X has a garbage nearly decades old CPU. The XSS is a tad underpowered granted, a 15-20% increase and it would been golden. Never would've hit 299 at those specs though, it's apparently already being sold at a loss.
 
Whatever Microsoft will do, people will hate...

When Nintendo makes very low hardwares, it's ok....

When Sony makes noisy cheap hardware, it's ok...

When Nintendo and Sony can do bullshit marketing, but Microsoft it's not ok...

Microsoft has an unique and great thing like Game Pass, but it's still not ok "where are the games"...

It's like it's not ok to have and to like Xbox for some people.
 

ksdixon

Member
I mean... I called it as soon as Xbox said they where giving the series X 16GB of vram instead of 20GB because they would have to split the speeds for that to work (and they did), I'm going to call this now the series X will run 16GB at the lower clock speed, because its the only reasonable way for developers to use its special boy duel speeds in a multiplatform world without coding the game from the ground up to use it. Or Microsoft are going to have to allow for developers to switch the 6GB off and use just the 10 at the higher speed.

That decision has greatly hamstrung the console, its the cell processor issue all over again.

Sort of sounds simillar to the Saturn
 

renx

Member
PS5 is an xbox series x with similar but 20% weaker hardware. There is no secret sauce or secret features.

Oh, of course not. SSD streaming directly to the GPU without bottlenecks, with a proven effective 10+ GB/s bandwidth.
Sure, it's all the same but 20% weaker.
Glad to see you know the PS5 SoC specs as well. Care to share with us what you know about cache type and size?
Come on, tell us about the Geometry Engine specs. Can't wait to learn.
 
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No someone who is smarter for only 100 bucks more, he will prefer to have the disc version of the PS5 or the SX.

$300 XSS

$400 PS5 DE

$500 PS5 - XSX

PS5 DE is the bad choice imo.

If you're looking for the best bang for your buck, then saving 1/5th the price of a console by omitting a disk drive you likely don't need (if you're considering the Series S), is a huge value proposition if the console is the same or better than either $499 one.

$100 = Controller + Year of PSN (esp with black friday). That's a lot to some folks.
 

longdi

Banned
sooo when will sony start talking about it? 🤷‍♀️

my guess is the devs are loving ps5 ease of development, the dualsense, standard hardware for both sku.
 
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Leyasu

Banned
People saying wait for tools, wait till later in the gen etc...

MS needed to come out swinging and they didn’t, it’s that simple

They needed a nice looking launch title and they didn't.

But in regards to the tools. That is bullshit. The few games running poorly are nothing more than rushed to launch ports. Nobody should be assuming anything based on them.

But we all know how internet forums are..
 

ethomaz

Banned
Because of jimbos efforts and care
This pic is a gift for Jason and his consorts in the whole gaming press how much you digust me and I hate you
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I’m not even sure what are you talking about.

Well Jason was right like usual... PS5 is showing why it is the most powerful consoles in the world.

Everything seems alright in our universe.
 
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sooo when will sony start talking about it? 🤷‍♀️

my guess is the devs are loving ps5 ease of development, the dualsense, standard hardware for both sku.

I think they are letting the games do the talking. I mean that's the only thing thats been destroying the FUD that we had earlier in the year.
 
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