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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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hemo memo

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Finally picked up my PS5 and games from Best Buy this morning...had to go in because curbside was borked. Of course they didn’t have a bag big enough for it....

Had 3 people try to buy it off of me before I could even get back to my car LOL.

The thirst is real and it’s nuts....

Don’t sleep on Astro’s Playroom just because it comes with the system. It is the most creative and fun platformer i’ve played in a very long time.
 
Don’t sleep on Astro’s Playroom just because it comes with the system. It is the most creative and fun platformer i’ve played in a very long time.
True, I actually hated mario odyssey, most boring and depressing game I have ever played. Just didnt feel joyful at all.

Because of it I got into the conclusion that I just dont like platformers anymore.

But then I tested astro bots and yeah it is cool and fun, and also played mario 1 + mario 3 and still liked them

Conclusion: Sony can still do cool&fun platformers, while nintendo cant
 

Jerm411

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I thirst for real nuts

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hemo memo

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True, I actually hated mario odyssey, most boring and depressing game I have ever played. Just didnt feel joyful at all.

Because of it I got into the conclusion that I just dont like platformers anymore.

But then I tested astro bots and yeah it is cool and fun, and also played mario 1 + mario 3 and still liked them

Conclusion: Sony can still do cool&fun platformers, while nintendo cant

The combination between the DSense and the dev team insane attention to details to the smallest things is crazy.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Yeah, watched this video last night. The issue in the certain chip that is used in those 3 receiver brands, comes down to needing an uncompressed signal.

Vincent identified that the XSX sends a compressed signal compared to the uncompressed in the PS5 and 3090.

Did he also say that may not be fixable in a firmware update and is hard designed in the chip, or did I misunderstand that portion?

Yes he said that it's unfixable via firmware update previously on another video.
 

Bo_Hazem

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I can't tell if you're joking Bo?

Nah, I'm always goofing around but I was serious. Movies are mastered at 2K to begin with, and actually many actors were complaining from the clarity of 4K that exposes their skins and their "natural" imperfections.

Also yes, most tv experts tend to wear glasses, so things need to be taken with a grain of salt if it's phrased as an opinion like here. Having perfect 4:4:4 is always better, doesn't need to be massive difference but it's better.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Glasses are like a wheelchair for the eyes

Well I'm grateful I don't need them, but actually I rarely see people with glasses here as most people would rather just do lasik and be done with it and restore their vision. I know many done it and years now and they have good vision.

From what I'm reading around here it doesn't sound as trendy elsewhere?
 

IntentionalPun

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So basically the receiver needs uncompressed (not fixable) and the XSX is compressed (not fixable)?
He says it's at the hardware level.

But didn't nVidia "fix" their cards by disabling DSC when connecting to these receivers?

I don't know how this guy would know if MS is capable of disabling DSC on their end. My understanding is hardware that uses DSC can also.. not use it.
 
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ethomaz

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So basically the receiver needs uncompressed (not fixable) and the XSX is compressed (not fixable)?
Received can't be fixable... true because no matter what you do it hardware can't accept RGB (4:4:4).
But I don't believe MS can't make Series X output in 4:2:2 in this case... I still believe it is just a firmware update with a option in menu.
 
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IntentionalPun

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Received can't be fixable (true).
But I don't believe MS can't make Series X output in 4:2:2 in this case... I still believe it is just a firmware update with a option in menu.
Right, they just can't use DSC.

And they aren't doing anything that would require DSC. DSC is only needed for crazy resolution / color depth combos and whatnot. But maybe XSX hardware itself has no ability to disable DSC? Doesn't seem like what he was trying to even say in that video, he was more saying Denon can't fix it.
 
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Sinthor

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From the menu here:

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Doh! thanks. :) I must have missed that. And since it's on by default.

Just FYI, I was using my Pulse 3D for the THIRD time last night and plugged it in to charge after (It was saying it was down to 2 bars of charge) and this morning put them on...still two bars. It has stopped charging. Plug it in and the yellow light comes on once, then not again. So I've gone thru the jumping jacks of trying to arrange a return thru Sony direct. Supposed to get an email in 24 hours. Bummer. I really like the headsets. I hope this isn't a widespread issue with them.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Doh! thanks. :) I must have missed that. And since it's on by default.

Just FYI, I was using my Pulse 3D for the THIRD time last night and plugged it in to charge after (It was saying it was down to 2 bars of charge) and this morning put them on...still two bars. It has stopped charging. Plug it in and the yellow light comes on once, then not again. So I've gone thru the jumping jacks of trying to arrange a return thru Sony direct. Supposed to get an email in 24 hours. Bummer. I really like the headsets. I hope this isn't a widespread issue with them.

Yes they seem to not like all chargers, but they charge perfectly via PS5's USB. If you have different chargers then try them out. I use my Sony phone charger and it's flawless with it. On other charger it's a miss and hit, maybe it's a built-in protection from bad chargers.
 

Bo_Hazem

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The recent PS5 update has bugged my rest mode. Often the PS5 loads up and now asks for the PlayStation button to be pressed even though the controller is already on and pressing the button doesn’t bypass the screen. I have to perform a full shutdown to bring it back properly. :messenger_neutral:

I think you need to connect your controller by cable to update it. I've updated both controllers.
 

ethomaz

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More like Ubisoft accidentally downgraded the PS5 version with the patch. I don't think this happened for parity reasons.
Yeap they tried to downgrade Series X GPU workload to reach 60fps and ended downgrading PS5 workload and performance.
The fix for Xbox should never affect the PS5.... PS5 hardware doesn't need downgrade in GPU workload.
 
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Yeap they tried to downgrade Series X GPU workload to reach 60fps and ended downgrading PS5 workload and performance.
The fix for Xbox should never affect the PS5.... PS5 hardware doesn't need downgrade in GPU workload.

The PS5 version was always due a patch but they messed it up.
 

Sinthor

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Yes they seem to not like all chargers, but they charge perfectly via PS5's USB. If you have different chargers then try them out. I use my Sony phone charger and it's flawless with it. On other charger it's a miss and hit, maybe it's a built-in protection from bad chargers.
Yeah, I tried different cords and tried all the ports on the PS5 as well. Just that single pulse and then nothing. :(
 

Bo_Hazem

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Yeah, I tried different cords and tried all the ports on the PS5 as well. Just that single pulse and then nothing. :(

I hope it gets constant updates like they made with DualSense controller that you can update as well. But if none of these are charging then it must be returned as it's covered by warranty and you should get another one. I highly recommend them because you get very solid sound for a very good price, cheap arguably and they're pretty light. Been playing for long hours with around 6-12 hours total a day, and they never die on me but when I go out for something or sleeping and charging with my cellphone charger (Pulse 3D) and the controller on the charging station. None have died on me but that charging station and an extra charger will make sure you never run out of juice.

I actually question my decision of buying a second controller, but might get my wife to play with me on Sackboy?
 

kyliethicc

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So basically the receiver needs uncompressed (not fixable) and the XSX is compressed (not fixable)?
And I think this is why the PS5 will not output 8K video yet, despite saying it will later.

To output 8K @ 60 Hz w/ HDR10 RGB the HDMI 2.1 signal needs to use compression (DSC.)

I think Sony are waiting to update their HDMI chip to allow for using DSC in order to allow full 4K 120 HDR RGB 4:4:4 video, VRR, and 8K @60 Hz video out.
 

kyliethicc

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Right, they just can't use DSC.

And they aren't doing anything that would require DSC. DSC is only needed for crazy resolution / color depth combos and whatnot. But maybe XSX hardware itself has no ability to disable DSC? Doesn't seem like what he was trying to even say in that video, he was more saying Denon can't fix it.
Xbox showed at Hot Chips talk that the XSX HDMI port is hardware limited to 40 Gb/s. To output the best 4K@120 video they allow on XSX w/ VRR, they might have to use DSC to fit it all into the 40 Gb/s bw. I think they might need full 48 Gb/s to not use DSC.
 

ethomaz

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And I think this is why the PS5 will not output 8K video yet, despite saying it will later.

To output 8K @ 60 Hz w/ HDR10 RGB the HDMI 2.1 signal needs to use compression (DSC.)

I think Sony are waiting to update their HDMI chip to allow for using DSC in order to allow full 4K 120 HDR RGB 4:4:4 video, VRR, and 8K @60 Hz video out.
That is not true.
8K is possible without DSC.

PS5 can do 8k 30Hz HDR 4:2:2 12bits without DSC with 32Gbps (that before the update for more HDMI bandwidth).
Series X can do 8k 30Hz HDR RGB (4:4:4) 10bits or 8k 60Hz HDR 4:2:0 10bits without DSC with 40Gbps.

With full HDMI 2.1 bandwidth (48Gbps) you can do way more without DSC... you will only need DSC for the Ultra# in the table below:

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kyliethicc

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That is not true.
8K is possible without DSC.

PS5 can do 8k 30Hz HDR 4:2:2 12bits without DSC with 32Gbps (that before the update for more HDMI bandwidth).
Series X can do 8k 30Hz HDR RGB (4:4:4) 10bits or 8k 60Hz HDR 4:2:0 10bits without DSC with 40Gbps.

With full HDMI 2.1 bandwidth (48Gbps) you can do way more without DSC... you will only need DSC for the Ultra# in the table below:

hdmi-2.1-fig-1-resolution-tabe.jpg
No. The PS5 does not output 8K video yet. Its not allowed in Settings.

Of course the PS5 COULD output 8K video @ 30 Hz (with compromises) but Sony are clearly waiting to enable it once they can allow 60 Hz. Why else are they waiting?

And I said they need DSC for 8K @ 60 Hz HDR10 444 RGB. And thats true.


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ethomaz

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No. The PS5 does not output 8K video yet. Its not allowed in Settings.

Of course the PS5 COULD output 8K video @ 30 Hz (with compromises) but Sony are clearly waiting to enable it once they can allow 60 Hz. Why else are they waiting?

And I said they need DSC for 8K @ 60 Hz HDR10 444 RGB. And thats true.


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The table I posted is more detailed with all options... your table only focus in a predefined setting.
HDMI 2.1 can do 8k 60Hz just fine in 4:2:2 without DSC.

BTW PS5 doesn't have any app that outputs 8k... sure... the actual bandwidth can do 8k 30Hz like I said.
 

kyliethicc

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The table I posted is more detailed with all options... your table only focus in a predefined setting.
HDMI 2.1 can do 8k 60Hz just fine in 4:2:2 without DSC.

BTW PS5 doesn't have any app that outputs 8k... sure... the actual bandwidth can do 8k 30Hz like I said.

And I think this is why the PS5 will not output 8K video yet, despite saying it will later.

To output 8K @ 60 Hz w/ HDR10 RGB the HDMI 2.1 signal needs to use compression (DSC.)

I think Sony are waiting to update their HDMI chip to allow for using DSC in order to allow full 4K 120 HDR RGB 4:4:4 video, VRR, and 8K @60 Hz video out.

Read this again. Everything is correct. You are wrong if you think what I said is not true.

You're telling me things I already know. I'm well aware of how going down to 422 avoids the need for DSC. I never said otherwise.
 
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