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[sircaw]

Because the "dualsense advantage" isn't an advantage, it's just some gimmicks. having more resistance on a digital trigger for shooting a gun is irrelevant. It's not an advantage. In a game it's actually a *disadvantage* because it just makes it harder to press the button.


Team Blue are still trying to claim it lol. They're just being called out on their shit more because DF straight up say it's best on Xbox.

digital foundry says most people will play the game on 60 fps,

*Ps5 has more foliage, giving them a distinct advantage across the wastelands.
*Ps5 has sharper more high-quality shadows all around.
*ps5 there is a constant advantage in loading times for Sony's machine

*No mention of the duel sense, a massive advantage for Sony.

How can any Xbox fans be happy with having an uglier looking game with worse quality assets is beyond me.

this is once again a win for sonys "weaker machine " no question about it, you xbox fans are so desperate, like a puppy walking with a big stick.

You need to be demanding more, a lot more, twitter people, ask WTF is going on.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

So, since we all know PS5 is getting VRR as well what will the narrative be when that happens?

 

[DForce]

This thread is pretty quiet. Must be an Xbox win.

Lets say

PS5 > XsX = 60fps mode
PS5 < XsX = 120fps mode

Somehow things equals a win for Xbox, even its at least a tie.

 

[Aladin]

This is how hyping up haptics vibrator feels.

 

[sircaw]

.

Lets say

PS5 > XsX = 60fps mode
PS5 < XsX = 120fps mode

Somehow things equals a win for Xbox, even its at least a tie.

yep, it amazes me, they are so damn desperate for a win, they are calling parity while ps5 holds the most popular mode and better foilage and shadows a win, you cant make this up lol.

 

[FritzJ92]

Ugh... people keep bragging about better foilage and shadows, instead of being upset that the devs released an upscaled version of the XB1 and PS4 version of the game.... IDK what everyone is bragging or so happy about... we waited for an upscale patch essentially.

 

[longdi]

probably a bug or overlooked part of the code with the foilage loss. Makes no sense a few 2D sprites needed to be removed.

Otherwise, a small overall win for Series X. Not bad, not good in respect of tools situation.

But i said before, there is not much left to discern with launch games. MS pretty much shot down the tools meme. What we are left is to wait for next year, hopefully, covid vaccine = more time = better results faster.

Hell, even CP2077 is only running BC mode, and i bet Series X will do it most justice for consoles

 

[Explosive Zombie]

probably a bug or overlooked part of the code with the foilage loss. Makes no sense a few 2D sprites needed to be removed.

Otherwise, a small win for Series X. But i said before, there is not much to discern with launch games. MS pretty much shot down the tools meme. What we are left is to wait for next year, hopefully, more time = better results.

Hell, even CP2077 is only running BC mode, and i bet Series X will do it most justice for consoles

It's not just foliage, it's better shadows and textures and other shit as well.

 

[longdi]

It's not just foliage, it's better shadows and textures and other shit as well.

shadows are also the overlooked part, as mentioned in OP. Carried over from PS4P/OneX. I dont see better textures.
Basically a quick dirty port being bulldozed by raw power of the new machines, i guess

 

[Explosive Zombie]

shadows are also the overlooked part, as mentioned in OP. Carry over from PS4P/OneX. I dont see better textures.
Basically a quick dirty port i guess

Surprised you even see the shadows and bushes if we're going by what your bias perceives.

 

[Legenscary]

Y'all are crazy. This is clearly a Series S win.

 

[Legenscary]

digital foundry says most people will play the game on 60 fps,

*Ps5 has more foliage, giving them a distinct advantage across the wastelands.
*Ps5 has sharper more high-quality shadows all around.
*ps5 there is a constant advantage in loading times for Sony's machine

*No mention of the duel sense, a massive advantage for Sony.

How can any Xbox fans be happy with having an uglier looking game with worse quality assets is beyond me.

this is once again a win for sonys "weaker machine " no question about it, you xbox fans are so desperate, like a puppy walking with a big stick.

You need to be demanding more, a lot more, twitter people, ask WTF is going on.

I think when you start getting passionate about yellow patches of grass and a slightly sharper shadow you need to find a more productive hobby.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I think when you start getting passionate about yellow patches of grass and a slightly sharper shadow you need to find a more productive hobby.

Gardening?

 

[Legenscary]

Gardening?

Exactly, and maybe the gardener on the Xbox version is a little less lazy and decided to pull the weeds that day. Who knows?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Exactly, and maybe the gardener on the Xbox version is a little less lazy and decided to pull the weeds that day. Who knows?

It's not really about more weeds being impressive to us, though, it's what it says that they're missing. Some say it's just a lazy port and on PS4/XB1 the same problem was there so it's there up-ported as well. That's fine. But there have been other showdowns where general IQ isn't as good on XSX and even if the difference is minor it's worth asking why, especially with how powerful the console is in paper.

 

[Legenscary]

It's not really about more weeds being impressive to us, though, it's what it says that they're missing. Some say it's just a lazy port and on PS4/XB1 the same problem was there so it's there up-ported as well. That's fine. But there have been other showdowns where general IQ isn't as good on XSX and even if the difference is minor it's worth asking why, especially with how powerful the console is in paper.

I was replying this:
"*Ps5 has more foliage, giving them a distinct advantage across the wastelands."

Which is drifting into the absurd to me. If you want to wax philosophical about soft shadows, be my guest.

 

[DForce]

shadows are also the overlooked part, as mentioned in OP. Carried over from PS4P/OneX. I dont see better textures.
Basically a quick dirty port being bulldozed by raw power of the new machines, i guess

PS4 Pro was on par with the XB1X, but now the PS5 has higher shadow detail..

 

[longdi]

Surprised you even see the shadows and bushes if we're going by what your bias perceives.

I got a quick look only plus reading OP. I think DF said consoles are just using the presets from past gen. Which PS4pro had more work done to generate the foilage and shadows, no mention of textures though. 'more work done' is the only explanation i can think of why OneX did not get the same optimisation last gen.

As of now, all these comparisons feel like squeezing water from stone, not much left to be gleamed from them.

Until boths consoles are running closer to their innate capabilities, can we get fairer output

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I got a quick look only plus reading OP. I think DF said consoles are just using the presets from past gen. Which PS4pro had more work done to generate the foilage and shadows, no mention of textures though. 'more work done' is the only explanation i can think of why OneX did not get the same optimisation last gen.

As of now, all these comparisons feel like squeezing water from stone, not much left to be gleamed from them.

Until boths consoles are running closer to their innate capabilities, can we get fairer output

That's fine, I don't expect a year from now to see a 20% difference between XSX and PS5 games, though.

 

[ReBurn]

I'm grateful for sharper grass

 

[Aguero9320]

These threads are so stupid literally no one wins

The desperation to find some small validation in over-analysis of a BC game is just nuts.

 

[FritzJ92]

PS4 Pro was on par with the XB1X, but now the PS5 has higher shadow detail..

No it wasn't it was the same situation, as it is now.. same resolution same advantages... its the SAME GAMES AT 4K... they just upped the res and unlocked the frames to 60 or 120...

 

[thismeinteil]

digital foundry says most people will play the game on 60 fps,

*Ps5 has more foliage, giving them a distinct advantage across the wastelands.
*Ps5 has sharper more high-quality shadows all around.
*ps5 there is a constant advantage in loading times for Sony's machine

*No mention of the duel sense, a massive advantage for Sony.

How can any Xbox fans be happy with having an uglier looking game with worse quality assets is beyond me.

this is once again a win for sonys "weaker machine " no question about it, you xbox fans are so desperate, like a puppy walking with a big stick.

You need to be demanding more, a lot more, twitter people, ask WTF is going on.

Xbox diehards demanding more? Boy, that's a good one. These are the same people that made excuses for XBO DRM. Preached the good word of Papa Phil about how the Cloud would make the XBO more powerful than the PS4. How the great 1st party games were on the way. Then kept getting hyped for underwhelming E3 after underwhelming E3. Excused the mediocre 1st party output all gen, while thinking B/C was a huge deal, winning MS E3 2015.

For the past 6 months or more they have been making the same mistake they made with the XBO X, thinking power alone would win the gen. We saw what that power, plus 5 years and hundreds of millions of dollars, did for Halo. 4K/60 FPS filled with PS3/360 assets. Now that we have the PS5 winning most multiplat faceoffs, are they finally fed up with years of MS's seeming incompetence? Nope. Parity is seen as a win. They'll just accept any excuse thrown their way. Accepting another "wait til next year" hook, line, and sinker.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

digital foundry says most people will play the game on 60 fps,

*Ps5 has more foliage, giving them a distinct advantage across the wastelands.
*Ps5 has sharper more high-quality shadows all around.
*ps5 there is a constant advantage in loading times for Sony's machine

*No mention of the duel sense, a massive advantage for Sony.

How can any Xbox fans be happy with having an uglier looking game with worse quality assets is beyond me.

this is once again a win for sonys "weaker machine " no question about it, you xbox fans are so desperate, like a puppy walking with a big stick.

You need to be demanding more, a lot more, twitter people, ask WTF is going on.

You're pulling advantages out of your ass. The lower details with BL3 were already an issue last gen, where the XOX was clearly the stronger performing machine compared to the PS4Pro. So ask Gearbox why they are too lazy to fix the issue.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

You're pulling advantages out of your ass. The lower details with BL3 were already an issue last gen, where the XOX was clearly the stronger performing machine compared to the PS4Pro. So ask Gearbox why they are too lazy to fix the issue.

What does it matter why the advantage exists?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

What does it matter why the advantage exists?

Because he's blaming the hardware when hardware is not the issue here.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Because he's blaming the hardware when hardware is not the issue here.

It's not the first game with less features/IQ/etc in these match-ups, how do we know they didn't patch it because of this?

 

[sircaw]

You're pulling advantages out of your ass. The lower details with BL3 were already an issue last gen, where the XOX was clearly the stronger performing machine compared to the PS4Pro. So ask Gearbox why they are too lazy to fix the issue.

you go ask them, they are clear in the video, Take your loss and be quiet.

there is always something up with the xbox crowd, game missing shit all over the place, parity with sony's system and it is suddenly pulling shit from your arse.

How many of the last comparisons has this been going on for, we had 4 or 5 games now and there is always something missing, some excuse, show me those 12 tflops not parity please,

 

[MrFunSocks]

This really does just look like the one x and ps4 pro games running in Bc mode but with a 60fps cap and higher max dynamic res. Gearbox so minimum effort is pretty expected these days unfortunately.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

It's not the first game with less features/IQ/etc in these match-ups, how do we know they didn't patch it because of this?

We know because the problem already existed last gen, where the XOX was clearly the more performant console compared to the PS4Pro.

 

[IDappa]

Xbox diehards demanding more? Boy, that's a good one. These are the same people that made excuses for XBO DRM. Preached the good word of Papa Phil about how the Cloud would make the XBO more powerful than the PS4. How the great 1st party games were on the way. Then kept getting hyped for underwhelming E3 after underwhelming E3. Excused the mediocre 1st party output all gen, while thinking B/C was a huge deal, winning MS E3 2015.

For the past 6 months or more they have been making the same mistake they made with the XBO X, thinking power alone would win the gen. We saw what that power, plus 5 years and hundreds of millions of dollars, did for Halo. 4K/60 FPS filled with PS3/360 assets. Now that we have the PS5 winning most multiplat faceoffs, are they finally fed up with years of MS's seeming incompetence? Nope. Parity is seen as a win. They'll just accept any excuse thrown their way. Accepting another "wait til next year" hook, line, and sinker.

Which underwhelming E3 are you talking about?. The past three have been fairly solid from Microsoft.

What are you talking about Xbox players don't demand more, why do you think so many people jumped ship with the Xbox one launch?. I also find it funny how you say Xbox players don't demand more from Microsoft then bring up halo 6, a title that was pushed back because of said people.

Comparing a mid gen refresh to a brand new console cycle doesn't make sense when we are only about a month into it.

I think people are more so over the goalposts being moved constantly by people such as yourself. Blindly championing a corporation that doesn't care about you and at the same time putting others down about their choices. Only a week ago 120 fps was the bee's knees according to a lot on here and now it's the controller that matters in this comparison and problems brought over from the previous which weren't fixed. I honestly don't care that much about these comparisons however I do enjoy reading peoples mental gymnastics as to why their piece of plastic is better than the other. People who judge these comparisons on this forum need to use the same guidelines between each title and try to be unbiased (hard ask for some)..

 

[Neo_game]

the funny thing is that it is proof that the xbox one s is holding back the xbox one x and now the xbox series x. devs are using the same xbox one s settings despite the fact that the x1x and xsx have a far better GPU.

In the future, we will see the series s hold back the x.

I think Halo infinite already was a proof. The whole idea about scaling does not make sense for a console IMO. Some games, engine can do better than others but making game for a specific console definitely has advantages.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

We know because the problem already existed last gen, where the XOX was clearly the more performant console compared to the PS4Pro.

It was also released on PS4 and X1, though, is this a case of the X1 version holding back XOX? Sometimes PS4 Pro also edged the XOX out, btw, it wasn't always more performant, it depended on the game. Any way you slice it this seems like a very lazy port, what is even the benefit of the port BC doesn't give?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

It was also released on PS4 and X1, though, is this a case of the X1 version holding back XOX? Sometimes PS4 Pro also edged the XOX out, btw, it wasn't always more performant, it depended on the game. Any way you slice it this seems like a very lazy port, what is even the benefit of the port BC doesn't give?

Yes, it's Gearbox being lazy. It has nothing to do with the hardware.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Yes, it's Gearbox being lazy. It has nothing to do with the hardware.

I get your point but I don't get why you're so persistent with it, there are multiple articles from professional outlets questioning why XSX isn't performing better, it doesn't help anything that this one game performs as it does because of laziness when others its unclear why. In the grand scheme it doesn't do much to hammer home this argument, even if you're right.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Off topic" what happened to chunk or whatever his name is now

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Off topic" what happened to chunk or whatever his name is now

Someone accused him of sending a weird PM... I think that had to do with it, not sure, but he ended up requesting a perm again, I'm assuming there's real life drama so any here bothers him.

 

[Truespeed]

So, since we all know PS5 is getting VRR as well what will the narrative be when that happens?

That it's an unfair comparison because the PS5 uses RDNA 2.5.

 

[MrFunSocks]

That it's an unfair comparison because the PS5 uses RDNA 2.5.

Nah its up to at least RDNA 5.8 by now I think.

 

[Heisenberg007]

So this is the summary:

• 60 FPS mode = PS5 wins
• 120 FPS mode = XSX wins
• Loading times = PS5 wins
• Controller experience = PS5 wins

I think if PS5 fans are feeling generous, it can be called a tie. But this is definitely no " distinct win" for XSX.

A tie seems the most reasonable to me.

 

[MrFunSocks]

So this is the summary:

• 60 FPS mode = PS5 wins
• 120 FPS mode = XSX wins
• Loading times = PS5 wins
• Controller experience = PS5 wins

I think if PS5 fans are feeling generous, it can be called a tie. But this is definitely no " distinct win" for XSX.

A tie seems the most reasonable to me.

Sorry but going this far to try and eke out a win for the playstation is ridiculous. My elite controller shits all over the PS5 controller, so that's a win for Xbox.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Sorry but going this far to try and eke out a win for the playstation is ridiculous. My elite controller shits all over the PS5 controller, so that's a win for Xbox.

???

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Sorry but going this far to try and eke out a win for the playstation is ridiculous. My elite controller shits all over the PS5 controller, so that's a win for Xbox.

Once the tools are ready and XSX pulls ahead the controller will be used to call all comparisons a tie.

 

[Rea]

Why didn't i hear From DF say "ps5 wins" in both AC Valhalla and Dirt 5 video? In both those games, Ps5 has a massive advantage and the difference is very noticeable, but when Series X has minimal advantage in 120hz mode in this cartoonish last gen game, then DF declared that Xbox is the best to play. Yeah!! Not so strange.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Why didn't i hear From DF say "ps5 wins" in both AC Valhalla and Dirt 5 video? In both those games, Ps5 has a massive advantage and the difference is very noticeable, but when Series X has minimal advantage in 120hz mode in this cartoonish last gen game, then DF declared that Xbox is the best to play. Yeah!! Not so strange.

Yeah, it'd be nice if we had some consistency, like if they're going to declare winners always do it? This is where certain perceptions tend to come from, tbh.

 

[Bogroll]

Well its a just about win for the Xbox even though its brute forcing it on the unfinished tools. Maybe PS5 should try reloading levels or even reinstalling the game. Maybe they should have called it the PS5RR . With all this reloading and reinstalling they have to do it's possible the last gen versions of games load quicker on average.

 

[Silent Viper]

Again. Now we have like 6 different games with PS5 advantages.

Advantage in this how?


Foliage issue is due to Gearbox porting One X version without changing anything. One X version has foliage issue which carry forward to SX and S but its not on PS4 and Pro and Pro has higher shadows than One X. So it proves Gearbox just brute forcing SX hardware power with no optimisation

Rest everything hardly different.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Advantage in this how?


Foliage issue is due to Gearbox porting One X version without changing anything. One X version has foliage issue which carry forward to SX and S but its not on PS4 and Pro.

Rest everything hardly different.

At 60FPS they perform the same but one looks better, doesn't matter why one looks better.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Sorry but going this far to try and eke out a win for the playstation is ridiculous. My elite controller shits all over the PS5 controller, so that's a win for Xbox.

You can't discard it, whether you personally like it or not, because it offers an exclusive experience. But for the sake of this argument, let's forget about DualSense for a moment.

So, 60 FPS (PS5), 120 FPS (XSX), and Loading Times (PS5). Sounds good now?

 

[Silent Viper]

digital foundry says most people will play the game on 60 fps,

*Ps5 has more foliage, giving them a distinct advantage across the wastelands.
*Ps5 has sharper more high-quality shadows all around.
*ps5 there is a constant advantage in loading times for Sony's machine

*No mention of the duel sense, a massive advantage for Sony.

How can any Xbox fans be happy with having an uglier looking game with worse quality assets is beyond me.

this is once again a win for sonys "weaker machine " no question about it, you xbox fans are so desperate, like a puppy walking with a big stick.

You need to be demanding more, a lot more, twitter people, ask WTF is going on.

In DMC SE, and COD you said PS5 wins as it runs 120 fps better but now 120fps don't matter.

You change things around to your convenience. Also 60fps modes are near identical. Both versions drop frame slightly for few seconds and its not even worth mentioning