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[MastaKiiLA]

If the entire next-gen cycle is going to be quibbling over checkboxes, then I want off this train. I think we're locked in for parity going forward, so just be happy with whichever console you decide to buy. The main deciding factor should which first party games and exclusives you prioritize.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

In DMC SE, and COD you said PS5 wins as it runs 120 fps better but now 120fps don't matter.

You change things around to your convenience. Also 60fps modes are near identical. Both versions drop frame slightly for few seconds and its not even worth mentioning

It's almost like he's a disingenuous console warrior.

 

[sircaw]

In DMC SE, and COD you said PS5 wins as it runs 120 fps but now 120fps don't matter.

You change things around to your convenience. Also 60fps modes are near identical. Both versions drop frame slightly for few seconds and its not even worth mentioning

Parity is bad for xbox, these little dips here and there are not what xbox people were promised.

The ps5 version of borderlands 3 is better, most people play the 60 mode, The ps5 version has more detail, it has better shadows, more follage, a better controller and faster loading than the xbox. IS THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Can you dispute the above? no, you can't, take your loss and move on.

 

[sircaw]

It's almost like he's a disingenuous console warrior.

read the same reply i made above, take your loss and move on. Fanboy.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

read the same reply i made above, take your loss and move on. Fanboy.

The game is best played on the Xbox if you have a half decent TV. Controller rumble and 3 seconds faster loading times don't change that lmao.

 

[sircaw]

The game is best played on the Xbox if you have a half decent TV. Controller rumble and 3 seconds faster loading times don't change that lmao.

As usual you pass on what i said, you are losing the battle, stop trying to move goalposts again.

 

[MrFunSocks]

You can't discard it, whether you personally like it or not, because it offers an exclusive experience. But for the sake of this argument, let's forget about DualSense for a moment.

So, 60 FPS (PS5), 120 FPS (XSX), and Loading Times (PS5). Sounds good now?

Why is 60fps going to the PS5? That's not what DF said.

"exclusive experience" lol. It's goddamn rumble in a different form and harder to press triggers lol. Stop trying to pretend its a revolution.

 

[ReBurn]

If the entire next-gen cycle is going to be quibbling over checkboxes, then I want off this train. I think we're locked in for parity going forward, so just be happy with whichever console you decide to buy. The main deciding factor should which first party games and exclusives you prioritize.

It is really silly how much fighting there is over sparse 2 - 3 FPS frame drops or 2 - 3 seconds of load time. Neither box performs consistently in either mode of this game with both of them dipping in places. These things are practically identical for the most part and people are acting like there are these huge gulfs in performance that can't be narrowed. They haven't even been out a month.

 

[Bogroll]

You can't discard it, whether you personally like it or not, because it offers an exclusive experience. But for the sake of this argument, let's forget about DualSense for a moment.

So, 60 FPS (PS5), 120 FPS (XSX), and Loading Times (PS5). Sounds good now?

What is is all this foolishness of bring the Dualsense into performance threads ? If I have a Fanatec steering wheel on GTS on my bog standard PS4. Does it mean the Ps4 has better fps and resolution than playing GTS on a PS5.
I can only think it's a sign of desperation.

 

[sircaw]

Why is 60fps going to the PS5? That's not what DF said.

"exclusive experience" lol. It's goddamn rumble in a different form and harder to press triggers lol. Stop trying to pretend its a revolution.

that's not what hundreds of reviews are saying.

that right Mr fun socks is telling the world the ps5 controller sucks, you saw the universal praise for it, stop lying, please.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

It is really silly how much fighting there is over sparse 2 - 3 FPS frame drops or 2 - 3 seconds of load time. Neither box performs consistently in either mode of this game with both of them dipping in places. These things are practically identical for the most part and people are acting like there are these huge gulfs in performance that can't be narrowed. They haven't even been out a month.

I guess the problem is if you narrow the performance gulf then for many people that's not a XSX "win". Personally I expected XSX to have the multiplat argument and PS5 would have exclusives and its controller and such, I mean, imagine if the Nintendo Switch had parity with these consoles on multiplats?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

What is is all this foolishness of bring the Dualsense into performance threads ? If I have a Fanatec steering wheel on GTS on my bog standard PS4. Does it mean the Ps4 has better fps and resolution than playing GTS on a PS5.
I can only think it's a sign of desperation.

It's preparation for when the XSX pulls ahead in performance a couple of months from now. They will start praising controller rumble even harder.

 

[sircaw]

What is is all this foolishness of bring the Dualsense into performance threads ? If I have a Fanatec steering wheel on GTS on my bog standard PS4. Does it mean the Ps4 has better fps and resolution than playing GTS on a PS5.
I can only think it's a sign of desperation.

The steering wheel is not part of a standard set up, the controller is sold as standard, stop being disingenuous thanks.

 

[Bogroll]

The steering wheel is not part of a standard set up, the controller is sold as standard, stop being disingenuous thanks.

So when have controllers ever been a major point from the actual content providers in face offs. If there's any its very rare.
I'm not slagging the DS, I like the sound of it. It just reeks of scrapping the barrel in a performance comparison.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

So when have controllers ever been a major point from the actual content providers in face offs. If there's any its very rare.
I'm not slagging the DS, I like the sound of it. It just reeks of scrapping the barrel in a performance comparison.

I think it comes up because there are games it truly enhances. Like it's not always giving you the same effect, otherwise it'd just be understood that advantage always exists as opposed to being a specific point to bring up about specific games, like how DF praised its usage in CoD.

 

[ReBurn]

I guess the problem is if you narrow the performance gulf then for many people that's not a XSX "win". Personally I expected XSX to have the multiplat argument and PS5 would have exclusives and its controller and such, I mean, imagine if the Nintendo Switch had parity with these consoles on multiplats?

I don't know that I would have necessarily expected the Xbox to carry multiplats at this stage. There can't be a single one of them that's running on an engine that's built specifically for the new architecture. All of these multiplat games have roots in previous generation tech. I don't think we're going to see what either of these boxes can do until the games are built specifically for the new tech. There is already a marked difference in quality between the Sony first party games and the multiplat games.

Have to weigh that against Microsoft's liberal use of "optimized for" wording in the branding. If these multiplat games are truly optimized for this hardware then Microsoft may have shot themselves in the foot in addition to putting that foot in their mouth. In reality, though, third party developers tend to aim for parity and consistency. Microsoft really needs to impress when their first party games actually materialize and show whether this is hardware or developers' lack of experience with the platform.

 

[sircaw]

So when have controllers ever been a major point from the actual content providers in face offs. If there's any its very rare.
I'm not slagging the DS, I like the sound of it. It just reeks of scrapping the barrel in a performance comparison.

Sony designed the dual sense to be part of their next-generation push, they coined massive resources into it from a research and development standpoint. Just because Microsoft fans are not wanting it in comparisons, that does not make is so.

The reviews for the controller have been out of this world, most game journalists and game reviewers love the damn thing, just because a couple of people on Neogaf hate the thing as they can not compete, once again that is not Sonys problem, it stays and until Microsoft changes their controller or comes out with one of their own, its all going to play a massive part in comparisons.

Games are not just about pretty graphics or fast fps, they are about experiences, the dual sense offers this.

And as of now there is nothing that touches it.

 

[Bogroll]

I think it comes up because there are games it truly enhances. Like it's not always giving you the same effect, otherwise it'd just be understood that advantage always exists as opposed to being a specific point to bring up about specific games, like how DF praised its usage in CoD.

Yes but it comes across from some posters that the PS5 should be given a win because of it in a performance comparison.
In a game review yes but not in a DF type thread if one performs slightly better the win goes to that one.

 

[Bogroll]

Sony designed the dual sense to be part of their next-generation push, they coined massive resources into it from a research and development standpoint. Just because Microsoft fans are not wanting it in comparisons, that does not make is so.

The reviews for the controller have been out of this world, most game journalists and game reviewers love the damn thing, just because a couple of people on Neogaf hate the thing as they can not compete, once again that is not Sonys problem, it stays and until Microsoft changes their controller or comes out with one of their own, its all going to play a massive part in comparisons.

Games are not just about pretty graphics or fast fps, they are about experiences, the dual sense offers this.

And as of now there is nothing that touches it.

Well you may as well not enter these threads cause in your mind even if the XSX was 4k 60 and PS5 was 2k 30 it would come out on top. And I'm happy for you.

 

[Gediminas]

so PS5 bag it this one too. nice.

PS5 The Best Place to Play.

 

[sircaw]

Yes but it comes across from some posters that the PS5 should be given a win because of it in a performance comparison.
In a game review yes but not in a DF type thread if one performs slightly better the win goes to that one.

Microsoft invested most of their development costs into their 12 tflop number, sony did not, they spent a lot of it on their ssd and controller. If Microsoft comes out in parity or a frame or two ahead, that is a major loss for them.

Why is this so hard to understand.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The reviews for the controller have been out of this world, most game journalists and game reviewers love the damn thing, just because a couple of people on Neogaf hate the thing as they can not compete, once again that is not Sonys problem, it stays and until Microsoft changes their controller or comes out with one of their own, its all going to play a massive part in comparisons.

I only see fanboys on NeoGAF bring up the controller in graphics/performance comparisons.

 

[sircaw]

Well you may as well not enter these threads cause in your mind even if the XSX was 4k 60 and PS5 was 2k 30 it would come out on top. And I'm happy for you.

i am not sure what your trying to say, is the xbox at 4k?> and the ps5 is not, they are the same resolution.

how is your comparison even valid.

 

[Bogroll]

i am not sure what your trying to say, is the xbox at 4k?> and the ps5 is not, they are the same resolution.

how is your comparison even valid.

Just try thinking out the box a little.

Edit I'll give you a clue. "Even if"

 

[sircaw]

I only see fanboys on NeoGAF bring up the controller in graphics/performance comparisons.

Are you purposely missing my points? read my post again and understand sony's strategy. A vast amount of there budget went into their controller and there ssd, they get to decide if it is valid in a comparison, not you.

What you seem to be forgetting is the controller is pivotal to this generation from a Sony point of view, you might not like this, you might want it, but it is.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Are you purposely missing my points? read my post again and understand sony's strategy. A vast amount of there budget went into their controller and there ssd, they get to decide if it is valid in a comparison, not you.

What you seem to be forgetting is the controller is pivotal to this generation from a Sony point of view, you might not like this, you might want it, but it is.

Wat? Sony gets to decide what is valid in a graphics/performance comparison?

 

[sircaw]

Just try thinking out the box a little.

your creating a strawman and a very poor one at that. The resolutions or the same the fps are basically the same,
The ps5 has a better ssd, and a far better controller for user experiance.

Would you prefer a car with power steering or one that does not have it?
Would you prefer a car with power windows or one that does not have it?

 

[sircaw]

Wat? Sony gets to decide what is valid in a graphics/performance comparison?

Sony gets to decide what their customers get in terms of a user experience and they want the duel sense to be part of it. This is a simple concept, how can you not understand this.? No amount of silly gifs will change this fact.

 

[v_iHuGi]

Ps5 seems to use high ultra settings at 4K 60 no less.

Impressive showing, these Consoles can punch hard.

 

[Heisenberg007]

What is is all this foolishness of bring the Dualsense into performance threads ? If I have a Fanatec steering wheel on GTS on my bog standard PS4. Does it mean the Ps4 has better fps and resolution than playing GTS on a PS5.
I can only think it's a sign of desperation.

Why not? It's part of the console and the overall gaming experience, no? Sony spent that console money on that controller. I don't see the merit in discarding DualSense features.

 

[Bogroll]

your creating a strawman and a very poor one at that. The resolutions or the same the fps are basically the same,
The ps5 has a better ssd, and a far better controller for user experiance.

Would you prefer a car with power steering or one that does not have it?
Would you prefer a car with power windows or one that does not have it?

Talk about strawman you started waffling on about MS spending on TF when I was on on about DS.

Anyway depends. If i was Rallying or racing no power steering as I get better feedback from the surface and also no power windows as that more weight.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Why is 60fps going to the PS5? That's not what DF said.

"exclusive experience" lol. It's goddamn rumble in a different form and harder to press triggers lol. Stop trying to pretend its a revolution.

The PS5 version had better foliage and better shadows, didn't it?

 

[Bogroll]

Why not? It's part of the console and the overall gaming experience, no? Sony spent that console money on that controller. I don't see the merit in discarding DualSense features.

I agree but not in these threads.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I only see fanboys on NeoGAF bring up the controller in graphics/performance comparisons.

It is a console comparison, not graphics/performance comparison.

 

[Kagey K]

lol these are human adults and possibly parents themselves presenting themselves in this way.

I can’t believe nobody in this thread doesn’t see it.

Fuckimg embarSsing.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

It is a console comparison, not graphics/performance comparison.

Wrong. The controller wasn't even mentioned, I wonder why?

This whole controller praising is doubly funny because it comes from the same people who declare VRR as unimportant, VRR being a feature that actually has an impact on graphics and perceived peformance. It's peak comedy ngl.

 

[sircaw]

Talk about strawman you started waffling on about MS spending on TF when I was on on about DS.

Anyway depends. If i was Rallying or racing no power steering as I get better feedback from the service and also no power windows as that more weight.

Waffling, i think you're not following this conversation very well, Microsoft went with the 12 tflop route and sony invested more into their controller and ssd, please tell me you can understand this simple concept.


The above means, if games come out meeting parity between the two consoles, it means its a loss for the xbox due to the ps5 having extra little toys to enjoy and play around with, it means the experience is far superior on the Ps5.

It's not rocket science dude.

Parity is a fucking shocker for the Xbox, you know it, i know it, everyone knows it.

 

[Bogroll]

Waffling, i think you're not following this conversation very well, Microsoft went with the 12 tflop route and sony invested more into their controller and ssd, please tell me you can understand this simple concept.


The above means, if games come out meeting parity between the two consoles, it means its a loss for the xbox due to the ps5 having extra little toys to enjoy and play around with, it means the experience is far superior on the Ps5.

It's not rocket science dude.

Parity is a fucking shocker for the Xbox, you know it, i know it, everyone knows it.

Errrrrrm! I think your rattled.

 

[sircaw]

Errrrrrm! I think your rattled.

i am not, your just trying to avoid stuff, its not hard to see.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Wrong. The controller wasn't even mentioned, I wonder why?

This whole controller praising is doubly funny because it comes from the same people who declare VRR as unimportant, VRR being a feature that actually has an impact on graphics and perceived peformance. It's peak comedy ngl.

VRR isn't unimportant, but it is important to only ~1% of console owners.

 

[Kagey K]

Waffling, i think you're not following this conversation very well, Microsoft went with the 12 tflop route and sony invested more into their controller and ssd, please tell me you can understand this simple concept.


The above means, if games come out meeting parity between the two consoles, it means its a loss for the xbox due to the ps5 having extra little toys to enjoy and play around with, it means the experience is far superior on the Ps5.

It's not rocket science dude.

Parity is a fucking shocker for the Xbox, you know it, i know it, everyone knows it.

If this was my life, I think I’d be about done with it.

Im happy you found a friend group here. It must be so lonely at your house.

Go ahead and hit me with a front of how happy you are.

Its really easy to read in your structure and your words.

 

[MrFunSocks]

It is a console comparison, not graphics/performance comparison.

I guess we would include the “Quick Resume Advantage” as well then, since it’s a full console comparison, right?

 

[sircaw]

If this was my life, I think I’d be about done with it.

Im happy you found a friend group here. It must be so lonely at your house.

Can't fight the argument, moves on to personal attacks, but would not expect more from the likes of you.

Still waiting for my apology from you, toxic little man.

 

[Kagey K]

Cant fight the argument, moves on to personal attacks, but would not expect more from the likes of you.

I just want to help.

PM me if you actually want it.

I used to get mad at you, but since the new conaoles launched i realized just how sad you actually are.

Im here if you need to talk, no Judgement or console wars.

 

[sircaw]

I just want to help.

PM me if you actually want it.

I must of really got to you haha, nice to see your back after your weeks of laying low lol

 

[Kagey K]

I must of really got to you haha, nice to see your back after your weeks of laying low lol

Sure buddy.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I'm wondering what's gonna happen when PS5 get its VRR patch like Sony already confirmed is going to happen.

Will VRR stop being a plus then? Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a positive but dying on the hill for a feature that isn't even going to be an exclusive feature for long and something less than 1% of console gamers have access to with their TVs sounds silly to me.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I guess we would include the “Quick Resume Advantage” as well then, since it’s a full console comparison, right?

We should! We should also include the Activities feature, if available, and compare that with QR loading times.

In the end, it's all about which console comparisons, and which consoles gives the overall better experience for a particular game. That's my entire point.

And this why DF and others are including loading times in the first place. Otherwise, it'd be strictly performance/graphics as it was the in previous gen. But things have changed since then, and there are new differentiating factors now in this gen. Each of those factors should be valued.

 

[sircaw]

I just want to help.

PM me if you actually want it.

I used to get mad at you, but since the new conaoles launched i realized just how sad you actually are.

Im here if you need to talk, no Judgement or console wars.

You got caught in all your lies Kagey and your paying the price, no more fud or lies from you, thanks.

Some of your mates have already taken perm bans others have just disappeared.

And the best thing about all this is, you did it to yourself with all your fud.

 

[Malcolm9]

It's preparation for when the XSX pulls ahead in performance a couple of months from now. They will start praising controller rumble even harder.

Are MS still looking for tools? If so maybe you should give them your location.