The Bloody-Nine
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Which would still make both of them ten times more respectable than games 'journalists'.
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Why do Gamers have such a boner for SkillUp (and others like angry Joe)?
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Which would still make both of them ten times more respectable than games 'journalists'.
Kenpachii
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That stuff what he talks about is exactly why i love those games so much. so much attention to detail its just absolutely stunning to walk through those worlds. specially origin was good at this.
MiguelItUp
Member
Why care about what people enjoy? It's subjective, just like movies, music, and video games.
I guess the "boner" for SkillUp revolved around his The Last of Us 2 review. I mean, it was the one review for the game that I observed that basically hit every opinion I had on the nose. Hadn't really been done before with another reviewer. With Angry Joe he's just been around for awhile and continues to grind out content, which I find respectful even though I'm not super into him or his content.
I don't follow a lot of YouTubers or influencers, but Laymen Gaming, SkillUp, YongYea, and ACG are the primary video game centric ones I tune into from time to time. Not because I "can't make up my own mind", but because I'm curious to know what they may think about certain topics. Plus, it's nice to listen to stuff that's video game centric while I'm doing laundry, the lawn, cooking, etc.
I guess the "boner" for SkillUp revolved around his The Last of Us 2 review. I mean, it was the one review for the game that I observed that basically hit every opinion I had on the nose. Hadn't really been done before with another reviewer. With Angry Joe he's just been around for awhile and continues to grind out content, which I find respectful even though I'm not super into him or his content.
I don't follow a lot of YouTubers or influencers, but Laymen Gaming, SkillUp, YongYea, and ACG are the primary video game centric ones I tune into from time to time. Not because I "can't make up my own mind", but because I'm curious to know what they may think about certain topics. Plus, it's nice to listen to stuff that's video game centric while I'm doing laundry, the lawn, cooking, etc.
Umbral
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I’ll give any reviewer a chance who doesn’t try to cram a review into 10 minutes or less. It may seem arbitrary, but I don’t know if you can really give a good review in that time frame.
I never heard of SkillUp until the TLoU2 review. He comes across as a honest guy willing to look at a game beyond surface level. I like some of his reviews but I don’t keep up with them. My tastes have settled and I really don’t care to watch reviews for games I’m already disinterested in.
I never heard of SkillUp until the TLoU2 review. He comes across as a honest guy willing to look at a game beyond surface level. I like some of his reviews but I don’t keep up with them. My tastes have settled and I really don’t care to watch reviews for games I’m already disinterested in.
bender
What time is it?
He seems like a nice enough dude but I can't say my tastes align with him which is fine. Funnily enough, I did watch his Hades review this weekend and found it of poor quality compared to most of his work. He spent a lot of time musing about Rogue-lies and ARPGs and it was just never coherent. He then goes on to list his criticisms about Hades but then clarifies that those aren't criticisms.
SJRB
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Skill Up seems like a down to earth guy that just says it like it is and doesn't take things too seriously. He often has valid points, and I enjoy his reviews even if I don't always agree with him. It's videogames, man. He's just having fun while trying to make the most of it, and I like that.
Angry Joe is kinda... losing me lately. I'm not sure I'm the target audience anymore.
Angry Joe is kinda... losing me lately. I'm not sure I'm the target audience anymore.
StylishMGTOW
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That SkillUp review of TLOU2 bored me to tears. I'd rather watch paint dry.
I like Angry Joe, but I understand why a lot of people don't like his content; however, I'm not going to berate anyone for what they do/don't consume, because why the fuck should I care.
I like Angry Joe, but I understand why a lot of people don't like his content; however, I'm not going to berate anyone for what they do/don't consume, because why the fuck should I care.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Maybe because they actually play games and give their honest opinion and don't use games as way to push their crazy political agenda and fund their hair dye addiction.
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Werewolf Jones
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SkillUp's video wasn't good. lol.
worldwithpyramids
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Yeah, I dunno. Why do people care about Anthony Fantano for music? Certain people are just prolific with their YouTube content and it catches an audience and then somehow their opinion matters more? I’ve never really understood the phenomenon. And it is different than how people view review sites and other gaming personalities. I like Easy Allies but I don’t hold their opinion as the holy grail for anything. There’s definitely a weird relationship that happens between audiences and particular personalities.
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The Bloody-Nine
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The Bloody-Nine
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He didn't.
Geki-D
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I would imagine it's more in-line with stuff like footballer, racer, biker... Like we have words for enthusiasts of all kinds: audiophile, jock, techie, gearhead... "Gamer" is just the word we use would use to describe a video game enthusiast.
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Reizo Ryuu
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In the end, you don't really know that, because they aren't -you-.
Perhaps if you played the game without watching their opinion, you would've glossed over the irritating thing.
After their opinion however, it's stuck in your head and you will actively look/wait for it while playing, making it extra irritating and validating their opinion.
mortal
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He's just a guy like any poster on Gaf. He shares his opinions on certain games or about facets of the game industry.
The only difference is that he has a larger audience than the average gamer, because many likely share his taste in games and trust his judgment.
However, that doesn't mean people always agree with him on every single matter or consider his takes as gospel, I know I don't.
He's one of many reviewers on Youtube that make up my aggregate feed for gaming content. Another source of information to make use of in my purchasing decisions.
The only difference is that he has a larger audience than the average gamer, because many likely share his taste in games and trust his judgment.
However, that doesn't mean people always agree with him on every single matter or consider his takes as gospel, I know I don't.
He's one of many reviewers on Youtube that make up my aggregate feed for gaming content. Another source of information to make use of in my purchasing decisions.
Then why are you on a video game discussion forum? I assume by signing up and participating you are interested in the opinions & thoughts of other gamers.
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[Sigma]
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I can see this definitely when it comes to Skillup's audience as to how they view him.
Kacho
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Skillup is ok sometimes. I think his soft spoken voice and British accent give him a sense of respectability. I’ll only watch his videos that aren’t 30+ minutes long. Less is more, YouTubers.
I’ll never get the appeal for Angry Joe. His reviews are 60 minute epics full of broken English and cringe shit.
I’ll never get the appeal for Angry Joe. His reviews are 60 minute epics full of broken English and cringe shit.
Karak
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Man so stoked to hear people dug that. Love doing those videos though they do TERRIBLE numbers lol
Poké Maniac
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I'm not interested in watching some nerd's 40 minute video essay about the latest AAA monstrosity. Some people are far too invested in youtubers as if they are looking for a substitute father figure to guide them.
The Bloody-Nine
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British? He's Australian.
wOs
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I mean of course there is always a little bit, but you can't escape that in life.
if a game is broken I want to know that. If a game has a short story I want to know that.
hell if I had no friends maybe this will work, but I have people in my life complain constantly about shit that doesn't bother me in games and I end up enjoying what they think is shit.
I learned a long time ago that buying a game without at least seeing if it has issues will burn you.
Kacho
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They all sound the same to me
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Deleted member 471617
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I like Skill Up, Angry Joe, ACG and pretty much every youtuber that I follow because otherwise, I wouldn't watch their videos but agree or disagree, I still play the games that I want to play and skip the games I don't.
The Bloody-Nine
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See an ear doctor. I believe they're referred to as dentists.
Kacho
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Trust me I’m not worried about it. They all sound like mush mouths.
The Bloody-Nine
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Location: Virginia.
mortal
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My point is you initially made an extreme generalization, when in reality there are all types of people that watch his videos for various reasons. Dude has over 673K subscribers.
If you don't like his vids or care for his opinion specifically that's fine, but I don't see the point in lambasting or making assumptions about people that watch his vids.
It's just a shorthand for people that have a particular interest in playing video games more than the average person.
Your examples are also kind of silly, as there are terms for people that engage in certain activities or hobbies.
A person that has a particular interest in food is a foodie.
A person who has a particular interest in watching movies is a movie buff
A person who likes to skateboard a lot is a skater even if they don't do it professionally.
It's really not that serious.
'Retard' this, 'loser' that. Some of you really need to relax lol
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Yet he described TLoU2 to be a shitty game yet gave it 7/10. Was probably scared of the SJWs hunting him down.
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Thanks for the input, GAMETA.
decisions
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I enjoyed his TLOU2 review and subscribed after that. However, every video I've seen from him since then has seemed strange and disingenuous to me. Like he is reading someone else's review or something, I can't quite put my finger on it.
Like what was up with his Cyberpunk review? It's so weird. He opens the review by saying that the game "delivers" in several different ways, and then the vast majority of the remaining review is nothing but negatives. And then of course we all found out together that the game isn't revolutionary in any way, has relatively poor open-world systems, and has significant bugs on every platform.
I also think he me might just write reviews that he thinks will give him "gamer cred" and grow his viewer base or something. That would explain why he gave a negative TLOU2 review, since most hardcore gamers expected the game to bad, but couldn't bring himself to say that Cyberpunk was disappointing, since CDPR had a lot of "gamer cred" from the way they marketed Witcher 3 and that game's positive reception.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to accuse someone of deception lightly, and I have no evidence, his reviews just always seem strange to me. Even if he's not doing anything shady, his criticisms come off as disjointed and contradictory.
Like what was up with his Cyberpunk review? It's so weird. He opens the review by saying that the game "delivers" in several different ways, and then the vast majority of the remaining review is nothing but negatives. And then of course we all found out together that the game isn't revolutionary in any way, has relatively poor open-world systems, and has significant bugs on every platform.
I also think he me might just write reviews that he thinks will give him "gamer cred" and grow his viewer base or something. That would explain why he gave a negative TLOU2 review, since most hardcore gamers expected the game to bad, but couldn't bring himself to say that Cyberpunk was disappointing, since CDPR had a lot of "gamer cred" from the way they marketed Witcher 3 and that game's positive reception.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to accuse someone of deception lightly, and I have no evidence, his reviews just always seem strange to me. Even if he's not doing anything shady, his criticisms come off as disjointed and contradictory.
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Halo is Back
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Who did? I don't remember lol
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
He's afraid of people like this. And for good reason.
Theres people who would straight up deny anyone can have a legit bad opinion about the game, and will state is as a fact that their opinion is real (just see some posts regarding TLoU2 on this forum), and then there's hardcore SJWs like in the previous link that would literally seek the guy to kill him in person. They nearly did with 7 out of 10,imagine if he went lower.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Because wow, dude, they're just like us! Just one of the guys!
GAMETA
Banned
OK, you're right, I overreacted, though it was meant in a hyperbolic and comic way, but OK, I get it and
It's just that "gamer" has this strange "connotation", it sounds idiotic in a way, it's the same with "youtuber", or "influencer"... maybe I feel that way because those terms have been adopted by other languages as well, and it kind of became a "lingo" for the world wide social media... I kind of despise that, but nothing too bad, it just sounds stupid, I don't know...
I come from an age where playing video-games was not a trophy, so now you see these kids and social media people saying stuff like "Well, as a Gamer, I..." FUCK YOU! It drives me crazy.
But you know, maybe it's cultural, maybe it is my lack of familiarity with the English language and how you use such terms in a natural way, maybe it's the product of my own native language adopting English terms that can be taken out of context, I don't know... anyways...
I understand now. Still, to my ears, sounds stupid af, but I understand that you may perceive things in a different way, and I understand that my perception may not line up with the reality of the language and how it is generally perceived, used and accepted..
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Tschumi
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There is a strain of gamers who think being loud, proud, rude, conservative, sexist, and stuff, equates to bring enlightened and free of petty restraints.
Actually they're just anonymous, rude pricks...
... With their own set of equally obvious constraints...
... But YouTubers who appeal to that - with additional spoonfuls of charisma, editing and such - can really make bank!
Actually they're just anonymous, rude pricks...
... With their own set of equally obvious constraints...
... But YouTubers who appeal to that - with additional spoonfuls of charisma, editing and such - can really make bank!
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Halo is Back
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He actually gave the game a 6/10 which I personally agree with. Just don't pay attentions to those loons and anyone who holds Joe or any Youtube as a saint. I still like watching his videos and nothing will change unless he falls off the deep end. No point in getting worked up over such silly things bro.
Jtibh
Banned
Alanah pan sexual pierce is where its at.I have a boner forKarak because he doesn't suck the corporate dick to put out consistent content. SkillUp seems to tell it like it is too. Guys like this don't astroturf like other reviewers do.
The fact that AngryJoe doesn't get sent early review copies of many games tells me he is honest, which I support.
She is to most honest trustworthy reviewer ever.
Everyone else is just crying fake news
The Bloody-Nine
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The thing is, you're saying 'gamers'. What you mean is 'people'. And 'people' are assholes. Whether they play games or not.
Tschumi
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True enough!
I always wanna say "True Enough, Mrs. Beaver" but it's one of those lines not enough people know...
True enough, Mrs Beaver!
Halo is Back
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Hoo boy a lot of broad hateful generalizations in this one.
TransTrender
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SkillUp and Angry Joe are fine.
As for the recently popularity, SkillUp has always been consistent with dissecting games and what actually makes them good in his opinion. This is a good and interesting perspective if you care about those types of elements in your games.
Particularly regarding TLO2:
Somehow I managed to remain spoiler free for TLOU and started playing the remastered version of the game. I started on Normal difficulty and now I'm on Easy because I just want to plow through the game since the 'game' part isn't very good in my opinion. Even then it's really hard for me to give two shits about anyone at this point since I don't care for either character. I'm going to give it one more try but I think I'm going to give up unless the story gets interesting. I think I'm between 1/3 or 1/2 through the game.
Now SkillUp came out and commented how the review cycle didn't allow you to speak about the ~20 hours of padded narrative on the back end of TLOU2. Getting in to spoiler territory (I'm more spoiled on TLOU2 since at this point my interest is preserving my TLOU:R game is waning) it sounds like the narrative is very unsatisfying and poorly delivered. On top of that the 'game' part mostly seemed to be the same. Apparently this was very counter to the overall critical view of the game, it resonated positively with some people, and others like at REEE say it reinforced whatever 'phobia du jour he has an am evial nzai.
His review resonated with me since I find the 'game' part of TLOU:R to be bad and I'm dreading getting through the next few hours of the unsatisfying narrative. Therefore I now have no interest in TLOU2. I've been watching Skillup and Laymen for a few years so his TLOU2 was nothing out of the ordinary for him, but due to the attention around the game and anyone counter the pervading critical reception getting signal boosted, that explains where we are now.
Yeah, they didn't like doing those news drops since they weren't very creative so at least one of the brothers wanted to focus on SkillUp.
The other brother is now struggling with his show which was live streamed the first few times but then went back to a produced/edited. Not sure if the slowdown of his output is due to the holidays or just losing interest as the money isn't there anymore.
Tschumi
Member
I describe people who would decry TLOU2 as woke garbage... As if the phrase "woke" isn't a broad, hateful generalisation~
Edit: as if "SJW" isn't a broad, hateful generalisation
There are a lot of gamers out there who are gleefully free of what i describe. I guess you're one of those happy folk. I mean, it couldn't be that you identify with what i describe, and have been triggered by it? If that's the case.. i don't agree with your world view, anonymous prick!
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