Halo is Back
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Again, more generalization judging my character off of very little information. I don't think TLOU2 is "woke garbage" I thought it was a disappointing sequel that dropped the ball on the narrative part.
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Why do Gamers have such a boner for SkillUp (and others like angry Joe)?
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Tschumi
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How can i word this so i won't have to reply to you again:
I described a character. You're the one calling what I've described "my character".
I'm not judging you, I've said "a strain of gamers", a deliberately vague term. I haven't said "halo is dead is an anonymous prick", you've basically held your hand up and said "by your measure i, halo is dead, elect myself to be an anonymous prick, now fight me"..
I don't wanna argue with you, i didn't write that post to try and attract people who feel personally antagonized by my words against intolerance so i could fight with them all morning. I wanted to "hit it and quit it", so to speak, give my few words and move on.
I believe that the isolated examples of gamers who believe sexism and rudeness is new age transcendentalism are in fact examples of assholes who want something to be hurtful about. If you're not an asshole who wants something to be hurtful about, then you shouldn't care about my post.
If you think I've misunderstood you, then that's not my problem, because I'm taking about that "strain of gamers", not you, so we have no beef. If however you think you belong to that "strain" to such an extent that you need to call me out and keep pushing it, well, I've already stated what i feel about those gamers. That won't change because someone aligning themselves with hugely hurtful words and positions thinks I'm being hurtful.
If you don't wanna fall into my generalisation, then choose not to. I am not forcing it. I won't reply again, because as far as i can tell your next message is going to be another attack on my person, some unironic attempt to paint me as a meanie, and i don't think those attacks are valid coming from someone who identifies with my post.
Phew.
I described a character. You're the one calling what I've described "my character".
I'm not judging you, I've said "a strain of gamers", a deliberately vague term. I haven't said "halo is dead is an anonymous prick", you've basically held your hand up and said "by your measure i, halo is dead, elect myself to be an anonymous prick, now fight me"..
I don't wanna argue with you, i didn't write that post to try and attract people who feel personally antagonized by my words against intolerance so i could fight with them all morning. I wanted to "hit it and quit it", so to speak, give my few words and move on.
I believe that the isolated examples of gamers who believe sexism and rudeness is new age transcendentalism are in fact examples of assholes who want something to be hurtful about. If you're not an asshole who wants something to be hurtful about, then you shouldn't care about my post.
If you think I've misunderstood you, then that's not my problem, because I'm taking about that "strain of gamers", not you, so we have no beef. If however you think you belong to that "strain" to such an extent that you need to call me out and keep pushing it, well, I've already stated what i feel about those gamers. That won't change because someone aligning themselves with hugely hurtful words and positions thinks I'm being hurtful.
If you don't wanna fall into my generalisation, then choose not to. I am not forcing it. I won't reply again, because as far as i can tell your next message is going to be another attack on my person, some unironic attempt to paint me as a meanie, and i don't think those attacks are valid coming from someone who identifies with my post.
Phew.
Peace out!
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Halo is Back
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I mean I don't view myself as an asshole? I don't think you are a bad person, do you think Joe is a bad "sexist" person? If so, Im curious to know why so we try to keep on topic because you seem to direct that comment to Joe himself. Correct me if I'm wrong.
What an incredibly stupid leap.
Someone enjoys a youtuber reviewer, so they subconsciously want a substitute father figure?
Danteyke223
Member
SkillUp for me kinda shot himself in the knee when he reviewed AC:Valhalla this year with such malice and nit picking (without actually talking about the game ... how good the sidequests are, the raid system, and the graphics), but then proceeded to handwave Cyberpunk 2077's glitches,half baked combat, and design issues as: IT'LL GET FIXED this is the most immersive RPG ever.
That was a joke of a review.
That was a joke of a review.
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Tschumi
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That's valid, tyvm.
I reckon these reviewers tend to review games along lines that the aforementioned crowd sympathize with. Words like sjw, woke, being used to denigrate a game, these reviewers stick away from those terms (though didn't angry joe get kicked off twitch for using a certain term? Matyr status: engaged?) but their reviews tend to resonate with the sentiment behind them.
TLOU2 reviews are a good example, skilup in particular tried to pad out a review that basically said "i don't like playing Blondie, nor do i like what she does to hunky hunkman, also they didn't change gameplay that didn't need to be changed".. the kind of reviewers i like (noah Caldwell Gervais did a good video on the series) can look past that and just enjoy/analyse the game.
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What? He praised the game, but said parts of it didn't work for him, and largely critized the fact that it was bloated ad hell.
It's the exact same thing he did to Cyberpunk, focusing mostly on the negatives but saying overall their are goods about it, and maybe the good outweighs the bad for some people
Sometimes I wonder if you people actually watch these reviews, or just get offended because you heard something secondhand.
The two reviewers this thread is about are publically very liberal. You're making large assumptions about them, because they didn't like a game, and used popular parlance that millions of people of people use everyday.
You're dragging your own stupid biases on them, because of your paranoia over gamers being "conservative" and using words you don't like(but based on your posting history, would apply to you like a glove)
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Halo is Back
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Idk man He ragged on Cyberpunk quite a bit. In fact he seemed to be the most disappointed with the RPG elements.
Griffon
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Angry Joe is alright.
I'm not always agreeing with him, but he's thorough and takes his time making in-depth reviews, which is more than we can say for most reviewers.
I don't know who skillup is, maybe OP shouldn't put everyone he doesn't like in the same bag, from what I read here it sounds like skillup and AJ are different.
I'm not always agreeing with him, but he's thorough and takes his time making in-depth reviews, which is more than we can say for most reviewers.
I don't know who skillup is, maybe OP shouldn't put everyone he doesn't like in the same bag, from what I read here it sounds like skillup and AJ are different.
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Tschumi
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What a shock. A review that praises TLOU2.
It's always about being bitter over TLOU2
Halo is Back
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Question. Do you actually watch his reviews in full? Out of everything I have seen Joe put out (watched him even BEFORE he was on Youtube) and he seems like more of a liberal than conservative. Take the youtuber Shoeonhead. Hardcore lefty but she still rags on the "woke" SJW's too when there are some clear crazies on the internet for that side (not calling you one btw). Joe literally stated he has no problem with gay female characters and has been a supporter of #metoo and gamergate when that was a thing. My point simply being that just because someone may use these terms, it is not a personal attack on women and that people are simply more complex then the surface level.
However, I can see why you would see that as hateful since it dose have a negative connotation and I absolutely agree there are assholes on the internet that will use it as an excuse to just hate and harass people.
As for the SkillUp comment, I think you are just being too sensitive on this one. He literally couldn't talk about who was who and what happened because of Sony's ridiculous review embargo policy. All in all, I didn't like his review because everything was so vague. He never did a follow up video to back up his thoughts so I thought he was kind-of a coward on that one. He half did it because he just didn't like the game that much and half because a bunch of idiots were using his review as some sort of "proof" the game was bad.
What I do know for sure is that this game caused a lot of butthurt people on both sides.
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Tschumi
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I dunno bro i think that all in all this has been an educative exchange, so thanks. I'll give Joe a second chance, going forward. Now if you'll excuse me I'll go back to watching a bunch of Noah's amazing multi hour videos on really well chosen games and series.
Halo is Back
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Never said you had to like Joe or his videos. Watch what you want, I wont be the police of entertainment. I was just debating your claims he is some sexist person who feeds into toxic communities for the sake of it. Agree to disagree I suppose.
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GooseMan69
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Same with yong yea. He started out making videos about Metal Gear Solid V in the lead up to release. Now he makes typical gamer outrage stuff.
GooseMan69
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lol people not reading the OP. The first sentence I say I like SkillUp. I used to like Angry Joe too, but he’s really gone downhill.
dispensergoinup
Gold Member
The only reviewer I consistently watch is ssethtzeentach
j0hnnix
Gold Member
I enjoy their reviews, like others, it's just entertainment for me but skillup falls in line with similar likes dislikes, dunkey is just out right funny.
Seriously though, Is anyone going to address the elephant in the room... that this is another angry joe thread
I see your tricks..
Seriously though, Is anyone going to address the elephant in the room... that this is another angry joe thread
I see your tricks..
ScarletSpider
Banned
Never heard of SkillUp
Angry Joe is awful, always has been, I think someone used the word insufferable, that’s succinct.
Angry Joe is awful, always has been, I think someone used the word insufferable, that’s succinct.
Poké Maniac
Banned
Yes.
Bolivar687
Banned
I watched SkillUp mostly for his Division weekly updates videos, they were really great and it was sad when he moved on from the game but I'm glad he got to branch out. I don't really follow him but I think people appreciated his TLOU2 review because it was a very personalized opinion, without the generic gushing of professional game reviews or an anti-SJW screed.
Mozzarella
Member
Skillup is fine, i like that he said 2019 GOTY was Outer Wilds, this says to me that the guy has critical vision. Im not a big fan of him, but i would say he is more fair that most Youtubers, he is not cringe or bad at making analysis or easily fascinated by hype. He is just a decent reviewer.
Angryjoe is also decent, he points out actual flaws and makes detailed reviews, also better than most Youtubers and mainstream journalist tbh. But what makes his angry reviews good is the comedy part. He shouts loud sometimes and it can be cringe or annoying, he is slightly generous with scoring for someone named Angry. But overall i find his review content to be solid.
Both are decent, nothing very impressive but miles better than the likes of IGN and Gamespot. And i also prefer them to overly-obsessed with long analysis critique like for example Luke Stephens or Joseph Anderson.
I mean i like detailed reviews but not to the point of 2+ hours, and i also dont like 1-10 minutes reviews that are shallow and doesnt accurately use the whole rating scale (Hi ign)
Angryjoe is also decent, he points out actual flaws and makes detailed reviews, also better than most Youtubers and mainstream journalist tbh. But what makes his angry reviews good is the comedy part. He shouts loud sometimes and it can be cringe or annoying, he is slightly generous with scoring for someone named Angry. But overall i find his review content to be solid.
Both are decent, nothing very impressive but miles better than the likes of IGN and Gamespot. And i also prefer them to overly-obsessed with long analysis critique like for example Luke Stephens or Joseph Anderson.
I mean i like detailed reviews but not to the point of 2+ hours, and i also dont like 1-10 minutes reviews that are shallow and doesnt accurately use the whole rating scale (Hi ign)
Superkewl
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Been hoping you would d a "walking the walk" video for cyberpunk.
King_Mandu
Banned
He's okay but reviews are generally worthless these days. There're so many ways to see if a game is for you or not that reviews seem entirely antiquated and out of date. Seems like a lot of reviewers want to be "tough" critics these days but lack even basic critiquing skills. Quite a few of them equate "I don't like this, it's not for me" to "Broken game, childish trash 4/10." There's just so much shit.
SkillUp works hard on his videos and they're decent but sometimes disgustingly pretentious. What was it...a 10 minute intro about a rap song is something only an asshole could think up. As someone else said, I like him more with his brother when they're just being two dudes nerding out about games and making lame jokes.
AngryJoe has always been a little bitch with terrible taste in t-shirts but I respect his hustle. That dude has been grinding for years before most if not all of the current top Youtubers even had started.
I can't stand these Youtubers who did or still do pull the "I'm not a journalist!" card but sure do act like them. Fake, fake, fake and want to avoid all responsibilities just in case.
SkillUp works hard on his videos and they're decent but sometimes disgustingly pretentious. What was it...a 10 minute intro about a rap song is something only an asshole could think up. As someone else said, I like him more with his brother when they're just being two dudes nerding out about games and making lame jokes.
AngryJoe has always been a little bitch with terrible taste in t-shirts but I respect his hustle. That dude has been grinding for years before most if not all of the current top Youtubers even had started.
I can't stand these Youtubers who did or still do pull the "I'm not a journalist!" card but sure do act like them. Fake, fake, fake and want to avoid all responsibilities just in case.
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sobaka770
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Yeah OK.
1. Every mainstream or trendy reviewer like SkillUp or AJ or ACG puts in the effort and have a certain angle that is consistent. They are all opinion-pieces, there's no such thing as objective review but people like the personality and method being applied to it. I'd say AJ veers more into entertainment and raw emotion while ACG has more to say about gameplay.
2. This has degenerated into another TLOU2 debate. SU didn't like the gameplay of the first one. What did people expect from his review of part 2 at this point? Once again, these are people who put in effort but they do come with own opinions and biases.
3. Noah-Jervais 4-hour videos are frankly horrible. He goes through everything in the game and manages not to say much about it at all, in fact most of it is just a retelling of story and setpieces from the ones I've seen. What's the value in that? For all intents and purposes a 20-minute Skill Up or ACG review will give you more insight into the game no matter how much bias they add. I have tried it several times and Noah has no depth in his analysis, just surface-level talk which is padded for 4 hours because it's quantity over quality. I applaud the effort to even make such monstrosities but the only thing amazing about them is the shallowness.
Tschumi
Member
I find your opinion forced and willful. There's nothing wrong with his videos, even if they're not to your taste.
Also, the tlou2 debate you so triggered'ly describe only lasted two posts, you abalone, lol
sobaka770
Banned
Why forced? I didn't say anything is wrong about them but I tried watching them several times and was severely underwhelmed. The concept of 4-hour deep-dive is interesting but it has to be a deep dive of game systems, analysis of themes, etc. not just a recap of game plot and gameplay at excruciating detail without much added value in-my-opinion. All the power to you if you enjoy that, point me to the one which you think is best I'll give it a try.
Also: I would defo be amiss to mention that I have a surprising mad respect for GF reviews. These guys almost always deliver surprisingly fun and pointed content. Their review of TLOU2 was exactly how I saw it and now for CP77 they surely don't hesitate to rustle some feathers. They found a nice niche in the saturated Youtube Reviewer space.
Great Hair
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Karak
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I can also say, though I can't speak for him, but coming from it from my own experiences and the few times I have talked to him,
He gets a huge amount of hate as well. I remember when he did
He gets a huge amount of hate as well. I remember when he did
THere is not as much as I would like to cover in Cyberpunk that I normally cover in the Walking the Walk videos but I am trying to work around that
Tschumi
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I wasn't going to reply, i mean that without malice, i just didn't think i was gonna convince you.. I'll just give it one try and say.. his videos are full of analysis, not just plot recaps... i mean, saying his videos are 4 hours of plot recap is like saying coke is pepsi.. or.. sugar is salt.. it's just not.. correct.. straight up.
I mean, again, all you need to do is disagree with me and we're done here.. but i mean the example of his tlou series recap is pretty good, he takes a really unique approach to how he rates the games (he's actually fundamentally critical of tlou1) that is far deeper than a typical "gameplay and characters" rating, and constantly refers back to his thesis.. his videos are essays..
He's got heaps of background information, history, context, bios of the developers, earlier games etc.. his videos on the system/bioshock series, half Life, baldur's Gate series.. i dunno man,i just do not understand how you can say they are not, at the very least, high minded and thorough, and thoughtful. They deserve recognition as bodies of sincere work and devotion to the medium.. You can say they're dry i guess, or say you don't care enough to appreciate hours of his yakking and that would be fair - though i wouldn't agree to it... Yeah~
C'est tout~
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
If a game is great it doesn’t need a review.
mortal
Gold Member
I get what you mean, but sometimes you get a recommendation for a game you weren't familiar with but ended up enjoying.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
This is their logic:
Any reviewer who didn't like The Last of Us Part II gave "legitimate review scores" and anyone who DID like it were either paid by Sony or part of the "woke" crowd.
There's actually people who convince themselves of this dumb logic.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Noah is one of the biggest cunts on the platform who lives so far up his own ass it isn’t even funny. This is the dude that called FEAR sexist for crying out loud.
He is about as objectionable as your typical Era user. Can’t resist forcing asinine political shit into his videos constantly.
Tschumi
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Why quote me if you're gonna pour horse shit down my fucking ear?
Tl;dr - i disagree with this guy so he's scum.
Why quote me if you're gonna pour horse shit down my fucking ear?
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Nah, I watch a lot of folks I disagree with, but they at least have something worth saying. Colin Moriarty, Skill Up, Angry Joe, ACG, etc.
Noah? He has nothing to say that couldn’t be said in a tenth the time it takes to watch his videos. His needless interjections of personal political bias only further hinders the videos pacing and comes across as childish rants. His videos on Postal, Fear, and Depression Quest are the most obvious ones to point to, but this is a common theme throughout his content and has only grown worse year after year.
The only one “putting horse shit down your fucking ear” is yourself. You would have to to watch his videos and genuinely think it is anything above mediocre first year college “I’m so deep” content.
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Kuranghi
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Karak
is the only one who I think really analyzes games properly, from as close as you can get to "unbiased". Skill Up and Angry Joe are every men who are giving you their personal opinions on games but are more likely to be biased based on history with similar games/earlier games in the series, whereas ACG still discusses the positives where SU and AJ might write off those things because the things they don't like outweigh the positives for them.I find that not very useful as some of my favourite games of all time have fucking SUCK in certain areas compared to how amazing I found other aspects of the game. So I'd rather know what the game does really well even if other parts are lacking, I don't care how good something is overall, games are movies so you can ignore parts of them and still have the best time ever.
Great example being Just Cause 3, I played that for 120+ hours but the story is a pile of wank and the story missions are nothing like the moment-to-moment open world gameplay.
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