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[silpheed-mcd]

That gif is Epic!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Wonderful! Any video link?

 

[silpheed-mcd]

Wonderful! Any video link?

 

[Sander Cohen]

Man, these people parroting Sony’s PR are some kind of . At first, they weren’t releasing any bragging numbers statements for a few weeks which is unheard of these days (and very telling). And then, we got that thing without any precise numbers. Since, then, radio silence, we’re almost in February. Oh, and let’s not ignore that good percentage of it probably went to scalpers (shown in abysmal software numbers).

Nintendo is dominating in West too, not only Japan.

 

[D.Final]

Awesome real Mario gif here

 

[Woopah]

Still waiting for the breakdown of ps5 regular vs digital.........oh wait, they won't release thst since they made 6.

We do have that info. This week there 6496 regular PS5s and 832 digital editions.

 

[Woopah]

But only for Nintendo?

PS5 is the fastest selling new console worldwide ever. Why don't you make a thread for that?

I know that he has a clear bias, but to be fair to him this forum had threads on weekly Japan sales and monthly US sales for over a decade. If they didn't make the threads then me or someone else would.

 

[Banjo64]

But only for Nintendo?

PS5 is the fastest selling new console worldwide ever. Why don't you make a thread for that?

Lmao why don’t you?

 

[iHaunter]

What's really surprising is how many people are still buying PS4s. There are already over 110,400,000 sold. I can't believe they are still selling lol.

 

[Bodomism]

Of course the Switch sold more. It was out for the whole bloody year. Bloody well would hope that it sold more, else it would be a disaster.
The PS4 and XBO were in obvious decline ramping up to the next gen consoles, and the next gen consoles were only out for 2 months.

Funny when PS4 unable to outsell XBO+NSW in 2017.

 

[Kerotan]

What's really surprising is how many people are still buying PS4s. There are already over 110,400,000 sold. I can't believe they are still selling lol.

They could have sold another 10M ps4 last year with covid if they produced them. And if the console got a cheap super slim model like previous playstations it could have pushed 140M. But Sony were satisfied and decided against it.

I just hope they can get ps5 manufacturing up and running properly this year.

 

[Kerotan]

Lmao why don’t you?

Maybe we should mix it up and let a Sony fan do next week's threads. I can think of a few catchy thread names already

Edit : I see on other forums there's some concern trolling going on regarding ps5 in japan, the narrative being Sony badly need the next monster hunter etc out fast to boost sales.

PS5 could have the entire Nintendo line exclusively launched already and it wouldn't make a single extra sale. The only thing Sony need right now is more stock. If they know they won't have high numbers this year then tbh they don't need any big games this year for Japan.

Nobody can be that stupid so I'm going to assume they're trolling rather then being serious.

 

[BattleScar]

Funny when PS4 unable to outsell XBO+NSW in 2017.

I'm not sure what your point is?
Its not even an apples to apples comparison, the Switch came out in March 2017, giving it a full 9 months on the market to sell in pretty large numbers.

Ultimately it doesn't matter. Success isn't a zero sum game.

 

[iHaunter]

They could have sold another 10M ps4 last year with covid if they produced them. And if the console got a cheap super slim model like previous playstations it could have pushed 140M. But Sony were satisfied and decided against it.

I just hope they can get ps5 manufacturing up and running properly this year.

PS5 manufacturing appears to be fully up from what I understand. They just need more factories.

 

[Hezekiah]

Really scary situation for Sony as the second biggest market is blooming but their presence is decreasing.

Yeah it's really 'scary' they're not selling in a country they've barely shipped any units too, while worldwide they are sold out completely

Europe, US, Japan, in that order in terms of importance. They made the right decision.

 

[Kerotan]

Yeah it's really 'scary' they're not selling in a country they've barely shipped any units too, while worldwide they are sold out completely

Europe, US, Japan, in that order in terms of importance. They made the right decision.

You can see some people really want Sony to fail. Sadly for them it ain't happening. Playstation is stronger then ever.

 

[BreathOfTheWife]

Nintendo Switch with an absolute control of Japanese market. I don't see Sony to give a little bit of difficulty in this year to Nintendo at all.
Nintendo hardware market-share will cross 90% barrier in 2021.

Momotaro will outsell base Monster Hunter World and become the best selling 3rd party game before Monster Hunter Rise rampaging event.

 

[Bodomism]

Yeah it's really 'scary' they're not selling in a country they've barely shipped any units too, while worldwide they are sold out completely

Europe, US, Japan, in that order in terms of importance. They made the right decision.

They made a decision of handing out the market to one platform holder not only in Hardware sales but software sales too.

Nintendo generated nearly the same amount of Playstation division profits during 7 years of PS4 era in just 3.5 years lol.

Japan is one of the reasons.

 

[Kerotan]

They made a decision of handing out the market to one platform holder not only in Hardware sales but software sales too.

Nintendo generated nearly the same amount of Playstation division profits during 7 years of PS4 era in just 3.5 years lol.

Japan is one of the reasons.

Both companies are the healthiest they've ever been. I don't think either are bothered really. And neither should you. Your concern for PlayStation isn't needed.

 

[Type_Raver]

Despite the great sales moment, and that we are in a unique period where we're facing various degrees of a pandemic, i cant help but think that this year is the Switch's 11 hour.
The Wii was going real strong and it lost steam fairly quickly which caused Nintendo to lose momentum towards its Wii U announcement/release.

I still think they need to release, if not at least announce its successor/upgrade so that 3rd parties dont lose sight because of the shiny new, albeit difficult to attain next gen (current gen technically) consoles - PS5 & XB Series.

Im feeling a bit of Switch fatigue due to the recent releases like Cyberpunk 2077, Spiderman MM, and others pushing the latest tech.
I want to play Zelda Age of Calamity but the handheld performance is unappealing, docked not too much better either. Monster Hunter Rise is one of the best looking 3rd parties, but even in docked mode you can clearly see the switches shortcomings like tessellation and draw distance.

 

[silpheed-mcd]

https://www.gematsu.com/2021/01/famitsu-sales-1-11-21-1-17-21

1. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu: Showa, Heisei, Reiwa mo Teiban! (Konami, 11/19/20) – 107,064 (1,617,601)
2. [NSW] Animal Crossing: New Horizons (Nintendo, 03/20/20) – 36,009 (6,553,618)
3. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure (Nintendo, 10/18/19) – 35,397 (2,237,398)
4. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04/28/17) – 26,636 (3,601,699)
5. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Nintendo, 12/07/18) – 17,099 (4,109,327)
6. [NSW] Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics (Nintendo, 06/05/20) – 15,295 (601,384)
7. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft, 06/21/18) – 14,430 (1,774,814)
8. [NSW] Splatoon 2 (Nintendo, 07/21/17) – 11,640 (3,743,798)
9. [NSW] Super Mario Party (Nintendo, 10/05/18) – 10,069 (1,797,617)
10. [NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield (The Pokemon Company, 11/15/19) – 9,882 (3,929,246)
11. [NSW] Pikmin 3 Deluxe (Nintendo, 10/30/20) – 8,283 (521,508)
12. [NSW] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous, 11/12/20) – 7,117 (117,058)
13. [NSW] Super Mario 3D All-Stars (Nintendo, 09/18/20) – 6,623 (543,257)
14. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo, 03/03/17) – 6,339 (1,755,290)
15. [NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield + Expansion Pass (The Pokemon Company, 11/15/19) – 6,302 (188,086)
16. [NSW] Fitness Boxing 2: Rhythm & Exercise (Imagineer, 12/03/20) – 6,175 (56,055)
17. [NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe (Nintendo, 01/11/19) – 5,870 (1,019,072)
18. [NSW] Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (Koei Tecmo, 11/20/20) – 4,593 (331,047)
19. [NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (Sega, 12/10/20) – 4,453 (81,545)
20. [NSW] Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age Definitive Edition (New Price Version) (Square Enix, 12/04/20) – 4,270 (50,841)
21. [NSW] Family Trainer (Bandai Namco, 12/17/20) – 3,937 (35,990)
22. [NSW] Human Fall Flat (Teyon Japan, 06/25/20) – 3,530 (105,230)
23. [NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 (Nintendo, 06/28/19) – 3,394 (1,057,732)
24. [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (Nintendo, 10/27/17) – 3,253 (2,200,682)
25. [PS4] Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War (SIE, 11/13/20) – 3,029 (165,304)
26. [PS4] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous, 11/12/20) – 2,809 (71,161)
27. [NSW] Dr. Kawashima’s Brain Training for Nintendo Switch (Nintendo, 12/27/19) – 2,773 (357,813)
28. [NSW] Ace Angler: Nintendo Switch Version (Bandai Namco, 07/25/19) – 2,645 (562,051)
29. [NSW] Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate Best Price (Capcom, 11/15/08) 2,593 (123,316)
30. [NSW] Luigi’s Mansion 3 (Nintendo, 10/31/19) – 2,545 (740,510)

NSW: 28
PS4: 2

 

[silpheed-mcd]

[NSW/PS4] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous, 11/12/20) – 9,926 (188,219)

DAT FIGHT!

[NSW] Pokemon Sword / Shield + Expansion Pass version – 16,184 (4,117,332)

[NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Nintendo, 12/07/18) – 17,099 (4,109,327)

 

[Kerotan]

Despite the great sales moment, and that we are in a unique period where we're facing various degrees of a pandemic, i cant help but think that this year is the Switch's 11 hour.
The Wii was going real strong and it lost steam fairly quickly which caused Nintendo to lose momentum towards its Wii U announcement/release.

I still think they need to release, if not at least announce its successor/upgrade so that 3rd parties dont lose sight because of the shiny new, albeit difficult to attain next gen (current gen technically) consoles - PS5 & XB Series.

Im feeling a bit of Switch fatigue due to the recent releases like Cyberpunk 2077, Spiderman MM, and others pushing the latest tech.
I want to play Zelda Age of Calamity but the handheld performance is unappealing, docked not too much better either. Monster Hunter Rise is one of the best looking 3rd parties, but even in docked mode you can clearly see the switches shortcomings like tessellation and draw distance.

2 things. In a post covid world demand will surely fall for switch but not like the wii. The Wii was built on the motion features which interest in waned eventually. The wii also wasn't a portable. The switch is the equivalent of the wii and DS combined into one portable console.

 

[silpheed-mcd]

Hardware, Japan, 2000 to 2020

2020: ~ 6.850.000

2020 is a better year than 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, not so bad

2000 to 2019

2020:

Nintendo: 6.019.704
Sony: 797.797
Microsoft: 34.980

For Nintendo, 2020 is a better year than 2000 to 2005 and 2009 to 2019, not so bad

For Sony, it's the worst ever, damn (except 1994, ps1 launch, 5 weeks, ~ 280k)

https://ludostrie.com/

 

[Type_Raver]

2 things. In a post covid world demand will surely fall for switch but not like the wii. The Wii was built on the motion features which interest in waned eventually. The wii also wasn't a portable. The switch is the equivalent of the wii and DS combined into one portable console.

I can appreciate what your saying, thanks for the reply.

How do you see it playing out from this point forward?

 

[silpheed-mcd]

04 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04/28/17) – 26,636 (3,601,699)
05 [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Nintendo, 12/07/18) – 17,099 (4,109,327)
09 [NSW] Super Mario Party (Nintendo, 10/05/18) – 10,069 (1,797,617)
13 [NSW] Super Mario 3D All-Stars (Nintendo, 09/18/20) – 6,623 (543,257)
17 [NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe (Nintendo, 01/11/19) – 5,870 (1,019,072)
23 [NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 (Nintendo, 06/28/19) – 3,394 (1,057,732)
24 [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (Nintendo, 10/27/17) – 3,253 (2,200,682)
30 [NSW] Luigi’s Mansion 3 (Nintendo, 10/31/19) – 2,545 (740,510)

 

[Hezekiah]

They made a decision of handing out the market to one platform holder not only in Hardware sales but software sales too.

Nintendo generated nearly the same amount of Playstation division profits during 7 years of PS4 era in just 3.5 years lol.

Japan is one of the reasons.

They are selling PS5s as fast as they can make them. Japan is one small country with 120m people who generally have very specific tastes. No point catering to them when PS5 is another guaranteed 100m+ seller even without it.

And no Nintendo hasn't generated PS4 level profits in 4 years on the market. And even if they had, outside of you and some other zealots, would that really make up for the lack original third party games on Switch compared for the PS4, and the technologically inferior hardware....

 

[MagnesG]

Can't help but think Sony Japan publishers (supporters) are being pretty confused right now with the PS5 situation stock in Japan. All that talk about not sidelining the country and this is what they got.

And no Nintendo hasn't generated PS4 level profits in 4 years on the market. And even if they had, outside of you and some other zealots, would that really make up for the lack original third party games on Switch compared for the PS4, and the technologically inferior hardware....

They do, and they need to make up for whom this "lack of original third part games" narrative? Switch softwares are selling hot as we speak.

Again the technologically inferior hardware bla bla bla nonsense.

 

[silpheed-mcd]

Preorders Lotteries at ComG! stores for NSW Mario red/blue, january 25

And PS5 lotteries, january 21

 

[BreathOfTheWife]

They are selling PS5s as fast as they can make them. Japan is one small country with 120m people who generally have very specific tastes. No point catering to them when PS5 is another guaranteed 100m+ seller even without it.

And no Nintendo hasn't generated PS4 level profits in 4 years on the market. And even if they had, outside of you and some other zealots, would that really make up for the lack original third party games on Switch compared for the PS4, and the technologically inferior hardware....

True, Nintendo will surpass Sony gaming division profits in 4 years on the market
Nintendo - 10.328 billion USD of operating profits from 2017-2020
Sony gaming division - 10.979 billion USD of operating profits from 2013-2020

 

[Hezekiah]

Can't help but think Sony Japan publishers (supporters) are being pretty confused right now with the PS5 situation stock in Japan. All that talk about not sidelining the country and this is what they got.


They do, and they need to make up for whom this "lack of original third part games" narrative? Switch softwares are selling hot as we speak.

Again the technologically inferior hardware bla bla bla nonsense.

It does lack original third-party games compared to PS4 though. Compare the libraries. No comparison.

True, Nintendo will surpass Sony gaming division profits in 4 years on the market
Nintendo - 10.328 billion USD of operating profits from 2017-2020
Sony gaming division - 10.979 billion USD of operating profits from 2013-2020

Sony made $1.15bn in Q1 2020 alone, a record for games companies in Q1 so not sure about those figures.

Again though, this is not good to anybody, except shareholders.

The higher theit profits, the more likely Nintendo will feed gamers with mediocre hardware again in the future. Look at the PS5 and Series X, you simply can't build a gaming PC to the same level for £450. Would probably cost the best part of £1000. Great for gamers. Then you have the Switch being released at £280. Daylight robbery .

 

[Kataploom]

Dafuq with those complaining about MediaCreate and Famitsu weekly sales data being posted here? Are they new to town?

Since I'm on GAF (for around a decade now) they've been posted weekly, the only reason why they were lacking in the last few years was because of the community being decimated, even then those that left posted them on that other purple forum anyway cause it was a tradition basically.

If Switch is dominating Japan and that bothers you, it doesn't have to do with users posting the data, it's like saying "don't wear crop tops cause fat people can feel ashamed" LMAO.

 

[jdforge]

It does lack original third-party games compared to PS4 though. Compare the libraries. No comparison.

Sony made $1.15bn in Q1 2020 alone, a record for games companies in Q1 so not sure about those figures.

Again though, this is not good to anybody, except shareholders.

The higher theit profits, the more likely Nintendo will feed gamers with mediocre hardware again in the future. Look at the PS5 and Series X, you simply can't build a gaming PC to the same level for £450. Would probably cost the best part of £1000. Great for gamers. Then you have the Switch being released at £280. Daylight robbery .

By your own analogy could you personally build a fully operational Nintendo Switch for less than £280?

The value in Nintendo Switch is mostly based in its hybrid nature and that it can play Nintendo games - clearly millions of consumers see Switch as very good value. Otherwise, nobody would be buying it.

 

[silpheed-mcd]

New Releases

Yodobashi Umeda, january 22

Famitsu

Adverts in stores + miscellaneous

 

[noshten]

TOP 20 2020 Switch Famitsu Q1:

1. Animal Crossing: New Horizons - 2.608.417 NEW
2. Pokemon Sword / Shield - 554.390
3. Ring Fit Adventure - 249.488
4. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX - 218.394 NEW
5. Minecraft (Microsoft) - 185.900
6. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 181.921
7. Smash Ultimate - 170.222
8. Dr. Kawashima's Brain Training for Nintendo Switch - 151.351
9. Super Mario Party - 118.077
10. Luigi's Mansion 3 - 117.482
11. Splatoon 2 - 103.649
12. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega) - 97.772
13. Super Mario Maker 2 - 82.915
14. Hatsune Miku: Project Diva MegaMix (Sega) - 78.558 NEW
15. Fishing Spirits (Bandai Namco) - 76.921
16. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 69.378
17. Persona 5 Scramble (Atlus) - 65.653 NEW
18. One Piece: Pirate Warriors 4 (Bandai Namco) - 61.571 NEW
19. New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 58.899
20. Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco) - 39.804

TOTAL: 5.290.762
TOTAL HARDWARE: 1.700.352

TOP 20 2021 Switch Famitsu Q1:

1. Momotaro Dentetsu (Konami) - 384.578
2. Animal Crossing: New Horizons - 175.515
3. Ring Fit Adventure - 150.393
4. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 144.516
5. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 96.153
6. Pokemon Sword / Shield + Expansion Pass - 88.444
7. Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics - 81.735
8. Minecraft (Microsoft) - 71.893
9. Super Mario Party - 67.821
10. Pikmin 3 Deluxe - 58.702
11. Splatoon 2 - 55.409
12. Super Mario 3D All-Stars - 50.637
13. New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 35.214
14. Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 32.244
15. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 27.253
16. Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (Koei Tecmo) - 26.084
17. Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (Sega) - 25.139
18. Super Mario Odyssey - 24.637
19. Fitness Boxing 2 (Imagineer) - 23.260
20. Super Mario Maker 2 - 22.851

TOTAL: 1.642.478
TOTAL HARDWARE: 650.408

 

[BreathOfTheWife]

It does lack original third-party games compared to PS4 though. Compare the libraries. No comparison.

Sony made $1.15bn in Q1 2020 alone, a record for games companies in Q1 so not sure about those figures.

Again though, this is not good to anybody, except shareholders.

The higher theit profits, the more likely Nintendo will feed gamers with mediocre hardware again in the future. Look at the PS5 and Series X, you simply can't build a gaming PC to the same level for £450. Would probably cost the best part of £1000. Great for gamers. Then you have the Switch being released at £280. Daylight robbery .

Sony gaming division Q1 2020/21 = $1.153B (Biggest ever recorded for Q1 Playstation history but not for a video game company)
Sony gaming division Q2 2020/21 = $0.988B
VS
Nintendo Q1 2020/21 = $1,365B (Biggest ever recorded for a video game company)
Nintendo Q2 2020/21 = $1.406b (Biggest ever recorded for a video game company)

CY2020 three Quarters Result(January-September)
Nintendo = $3.6883B
Sony gaming division = $2.564B

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

Switch is a beast.

 

[silpheed-mcd]

Dafuq with those complaining about MediaCreate and Famitsu weekly sales data being posted here? Are they new to town?

Since I'm on GAF (for around a decade now) they've been posted weekly, the only reason why they were lacking in the last few years was because of the community being decimated, even then those that left posted them on that other purple forum anyway cause it was a tradition basically.

If Switch is dominating Japan and that bothers you, it doesn't have to do with users posting the data, it's like saying "don't wear crop tops cause fat people can feel ashamed" LMAO.

They don't like messengers here and when they'll see that...
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/japa...ps5-hardware-7k.1587525/page-2#post-262044303

i know my fate...

 

[Bodomism]

They are selling PS5s as fast as they can make them. Japan is one small country with 120m people who generally have very specific tastes. No point catering to them when PS5 is another guaranteed 100m+ seller even without it.

And no Nintendo hasn't generated PS4 level profits in 4 years on the market. And even if they had, outside of you and some other zealots, would that really make up for the lack original third party games on Switch compared for the PS4, and the technologically inferior hardware....

You need to read more financial reports from both companies instead of watching YouTube for those financial informations.

 

[Kazza]

This is karma/payback for Sony's PS2 FUD campaign! But seriously, I never knew the Gamcube did so badly in Japan. The Dreamcast launch was plagued by lack of chips, which explains the slow start.

 

[Sentenza]

Since we are on topic of Japan sales and Switch, I'll take the chance to share this heartwarming story:

 

[Stuart360]

lol at those Xbox numbers. I honestly dont know why they bother with Japan. Its like when you get that stubborn person who will never give up on trying to get that one thing they can never have.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Dafuq with those complaining about MediaCreate and Famitsu weekly sales data being posted here? Are they new to town?

Since I'm on GAF (for around a decade now) they've been posted weekly, the only reason why they were lacking in the last few years was because of the community being decimated, even then those that left posted them on that other purple forum anyway cause it was a tradition basically.

If Switch is dominating Japan and that bothers you, it doesn't have to do with users posting the data, it's like saying "don't wear crop tops cause fat people can feel ashamed" LMAO.

They cling on to B Bodomism tag which is totally unearned. Dude speaks nothing but the truth and somehow that bothers people. Meanwhile, we had a lot of threads about how successful the PS4 was in the past and largely the same group of people would collectively cream their pants in geedy joy. It's the nature of the game. However, we should not shield our eyes from the truth and I'm certain that when the PS5 does any kind of expressive numbers, we will have a large number of threads celebrating it and people can bond and shit. People just have to be patient, pretend you're on a God of War elevator ride. It will get there. Eventually.

 

[silpheed-mcd]

Hey guys, don't forget, this is the only thread where we can regularly see the arrivals of ps5 in stores, weird nintendo land thread

 

[Kerotan]

Both companies are the healthiest they've ever been. I don't think either are bothered really. And neither should you. Your concern for PlayStation isn't needed.

I think the switch could have another 4 years left if Nintendo want and could end up selling around 30M. You have a switch Pro they could launch in 2022 and potential price cuts for the current models.

The big question for me is what do they call the next console. We know Nintendo can't compete anymore with a powerful home console so it will obviously be a hybrid again. The switch name is great and makes lots of sense. Is Switch 2 too obvious or will they "switch" it up?

 

[Lionel Richie]

I think the switch could have another 4 years left if Nintendo want and could end up selling around 30M.

At the current pace?

 

[Kerotan]

At the current pace?

Conservative estimate but yes it can cross 30M even if it slows post covid. What's the top selling console ever in japan?

 

[e&e]

At least Microsoft can brag to Sony that they are in the Nintendoland top 10.

Ftfy!

 

[silpheed-mcd]

Akihabara

 

[Lionel Richie]

Conservative estimate but yes it can cross 30M even if it slows post covid. What's the top selling console ever in japan?

Oh you meant in Japan alone, got you now. Thought you meant it would sell from this point until the end of its lifetime an additional 30 million units worldwide. In glorious nippon, best selling console is the DS at just over 32M. Not sure the Switch can match that, but it will definitely beat the 3DS at 25M.