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[DF] Hitman 3 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Comparison

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Elios83

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I simply said people who denies DF is more Xbox oriented are incredibly naive or doesn't take care to their narrative changes when the Xbox his in their analysis.

Indeed at DF they are all Xbox/PC fans except John. It has been like that since the 360 days.
The guy who made this Hitman video was almost screaming like a cheerleader when in the COD video there was a section with XSX having higher frame rate than PS5 and he's behind the hyperbolic video title of this comparison. It's a microscopic difference and when PS5 had tons of these, there was no:"A PS5 advantage" in the title.
They're humans, they have their preferences, nothing wrong but it's useless to deny them.
Still they're professional in what they do so generally you can count on the fact that they're not altering facts.
 
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assurdum

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At DF they are all Xbox/PC fans except John. It has been like that since the 360 days.
The guy who made this Hitman video was almost screaming like a cheerleader when in the COD video there was a section with XSX having higher frame rate than PS5 and he's behind the hyperbolic video title of this comparison. It's a microscopic difference and when PS5 had tons of these, there was no:"A PS5 advantage" in the title.
They're humans, they have their preferences, nothing wrong but it's useless to deny them.
Still they're professional in what they do so generally you can count on the fact that they're not altering facts.
I haven't nothing against their favouritism. But I profoundly hate when they deny that and accuse people to be fanboy when notice that.
 
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Elios83

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I haven't nothing against their favouritism. But I profoundly hate when they deny that and accuse people fanboy to notice that. The level of arrogance they reach sometimes is unbearable. Just admit it and go on.

It's part of their role.
They can't lose credibility telling "Yes I'm biased and I'm happy when this particular platform wins".
It's obvious when that happens and facts speaks way louder than words.
Their channel should be full of "A PS5 advantage" videos at this point if they were unbiased :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

assurdum

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It's part of their role.
They can't lose credibility telling "Yes I'm biased and I'm happy when this particular platform wins".
It's obvious when that happens and facts speaks way louder than words.
Their channel should be full of "A PS5 advantage" videos at this point if they were unbiased :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:
Eh.And all the others who substains they are objective give me even more irritation. I can't stand the hypocrisy, my fault. I have no problem to say to prefer the ps5 but I try to be reasonable in my opinion.
 
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thelastword

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Backtracking ... (whoever this Joe Miller dude is..)

He saw one video showing something and another showing something else. Naturally he questioned the disparity. So like anything else the Xbox was patched from the 1.0 disc version to a more stable game, yet when these things came to light, his question was answered and he stepped down. Unlike many here, who wants no questions asked in a tech thread, because they deem this an Xbox win. If you really want the Xbox to win, you should want it to do so unequivocally, not by grasping for straws, seeing as the rhetoric prior to the console's landing was a 40-50fps lead for Xbox whilst pushing 4k vs a PS5's 1440p resolution at the framerate deficit. Not only have we not seen that, but rather we have seen PS5 hold the higher resolutions, the higher effects and the better framerates throughout. So it's farfetched to question how it could be performing vs Xbox if they were both at 4k.
Medium textures is what I meant. The rest is correct. It's at the top of the thread.
According to DF, the next gen consoles share the same settings except shadows being better on Xbox. With their eagle eyes, they saw no other disparity, minus rez of course and framerates to the 40's, which is a non-issue to them in this particular scenario.
lol at anyone still having hope the ps5 is more powerful.
series x has 2-3tf more raw compute, more bandwidth,faster cpu, and a more advanced rdna chipset.
the performance difference is going to be huge.
PS5 has been the most powerful console in 95% of the titles so far. Are we still gauging performance based on hype or real time performance overall? Better hardware is not achieved on paper and in hype tubes. It's achieved when the pixels, effects hits the screen with the most consistent performance.
 

Night.Ninja

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M16

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Launch games have issue on ps5 too. You should ask to you why Hitman 3 it's the only game which such gap compared the series X when even the 2070/5700XT can handle it in ultra setting in 4k with an average of 57-56 FPS respectively.
devs had ps5 tools much longer than xboxXS. its a known fact. also a fact that the software stack for xbox is completely new and arrived late. as new games get released, the performance difference will continue to get larger.
 

assurdum

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devs had ps5 tools much longer than xboxXS. its a known fact. also a fact that the software stack for xbox is completely new and arrived late. as new games get released, the performance difference will continue to get larger.
Go to read the CEO I/O interview in the other thread. He never claims for a second the xbox tools are "incredibly" improved lately. They said they were perfectly fine with the tools from the beginning and they received those quite early. The engine probably works better in a virtual coding environment if I have to guess. It could happen, even more times. But expect it's the new standard, well, I wouldn't bet too much on it.

Q: What is it like developing on Xbox Series X|S?

A: We’ve found that developing on Series X|S has been a further improvement compared to the previous generation. We embraced the GDK early on and it allowed us to simplify parts of our codebase significantly.

Microsoft support has also been exceptional, being nice and professional at the same time.
 
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He saw one video showing something and another showing something else. Naturally he questioned the disparity. So like anything else the Xbox was patched from the 1.0 disc version to a more stable game, yet when these things came to light, his question was answered and he stepped down. Unlike many here, who wants no questions asked in a tech thread, because they deem this an Xbox win. If you really want the Xbox to win, you should want it to do so unequivocally, not by grasping for straws, seeing as the rhetoric prior to the console's landing was a 40-50fps lead for Xbox whilst pushing 4k vs a PS5's 1440p resolution at the framerate deficit. Not only have we not seen that, but rather we have seen PS5 hold the higher resolutions, the higher effects and the better framerates throughout. So it's farfetched to question how it could be performing vs Xbox if they were both at 4k.

According to DF, the next gen consoles share the same settings except shadows being better on Xbox. With their eagle eyes, they saw no other disparity, minus rez of course and framerates to the 40's, which is a non-issue to them in this particular scenario.

PS5 has been the most powerful console in 95% of the titles so far. Are we still gauging performance based on hype or real time performance overall? Better hardware is not achieved on paper and in hype tubes. It's achieved when the pixels, effects hits the screen with the most consistent performance.
You are unequivocally the biggest fanboy probably of all time. Please don't pretend otherwise, and fuck off with this Sony victim shit. It's been old for months. A few morons made stupid claims doesn't give you the right to bring it up with everyone else 50 fucking times a thread.
 
And the war rages on... I still don't understand why these number matter so much to people. I guess they really do matter when you're fighting a war. This is going to be a back and forth thing, it's going to happen through out the generation. The numbers game.
 

M16

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The level of ignorance of this post is something else. Go to read the I/O interview in the other thread. They never claim for a second the xbox tools are "incredibly" improved lately. They said they were perfectly fine with the tools from the beginning and they receive those quite early. The engine simple works better in a virtual code environment. Lol.

Q: What is it like developing on Xbox Series X|S?

A: We’ve found that developing on Series X|S has been a further improvement compared to the previous generation. We embraced the GDK early on and it allowed us to simplify parts of our codebase significantly.

Microsoft support has also been exceptional, being nice and professional at the same time.

doesnt contradict anything i said. hes praising the GDK. doesnt change the fact the tools were released late and the GDK is completely new.
also he doesnt have to say the tools improved for the tools to be improved. the tools are constantly updated.
it seems its you that is ignorant, and showing delusion that a console with inferior hardware will magically perform better than one with much more horsepower.
 

assurdum

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doesnt contradict anything i said. hes praising the GDK. doesnt change the fact the tools were released late and the GDK is completely new.
also he doesnt have to say the tools improved for the tools to be improved. the tools are constantly updated.
it seems its you that is ignorant, and showing delusion that a console with inferior hardware will magically perform better than one with much more horsepower.
You continue to talk as a PR MS marketing man and you don't care to understand of what we are talking about, what is it behind some tech stuff. You can't use a single game as statistical when others previously showed otherwise. It has been repeated millions of times by different developers the difference in raw power between the 2 hardware it's the most close seen in a generation but nope, the fanboism continue to screw the mind of too many people, there is nothing to do about it. Hardly such perfomance will be the normality.

Riky get a life for the fuck sake. I have you in my ignore list why you persist to quote me? What I have to do to be ignored by you 🙂
 
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phil_t98

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Indeed at DF they are all Xbox/PC fans except John. It has been like that since the 360 days.
The guy who made this Hitman video was almost screaming like a cheerleader when in the COD video there was a section with XSX having higher frame rate than PS5 and he's behind the hyperbolic video title of this comparison. It's a microscopic difference and when PS5 had tons of these, there was no:"A PS5 advantage" in the title.
They're humans, they have their preferences, nothing wrong but it's useless to deny them.
Still they're professional in what they do so generally you can count on the fact that they're not altering facts.

also when ps5 has been better they have stated it is better its as simple as that. because this game is running better on the xbox people have lost their minds
 

Concern

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hes a piece of shit. dont even entertain him.

what kind of cunt dismisses people based on the number of their subscribers. just a sad sorry excuse for a human being.


Please point at where I hurted you so bad 🤣

Guys love spreading misinformation that paints Xbox in a bad light and have meltdowns when proven wrong like this thread for example.

Then again you had ap meltdown over the Series S and got yourself banned. Insults from trolls and shills like you affect me as much as retards throwing ice cubes at the sun.

Now please continue with your meltdown 😉
 

phil_t98

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Please point at where I hurted you so bad 🤣

Guys love spreading misinformation that paints Xbox in a bad light and have meltdowns when proven wrong like this thread for example.

Then again you had ap meltdown over the Series S and got yourself banned. Insults from trolls and shills like you affect me as much as retards throwing ice cubes at the sun.

Now please continue with your meltdown 😉

people have lost their heads with this and insults getting worse
 
Genuine question :
If your console "wins" a comparison is that some sort of personal accomplishment that's gonna make your life somehow better? If not... Can we finally shut the fuck up and enjoy our new consoles? Like grateful people do.

You're expecting too much. I mean, 29 PAGES! Good lord.
 

M16

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You continue to talk as a PR MS marketing and you don't care to understand of what we are talking about. You can't use a single game as statistical when others showed otherwise. It had been repeated millions times by the developers difference between the 2 hardware are the most close seen in a new generation but nope the fanboism continue to screw the mind of too many people, there is nothing to do about it.
im stating fact, youre stating delusion. there nothing close about the hardware. faster cpu, 2-3tf compute difference, higher mem bandwidth, newer rdna2 chipset, new hardware features like VRS.
we're starting to realize some of that power difference now, with hitman3 running %44 higher res, rumors of resident evil struggling on the ps5, and more to come.
 

NXGamer

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Dude you are totally biased. You can see it in all your exclusives videos. However I don't think your comparison videos are misleading or non factual but it's super easy to tell you like ps way more than Xbox.
You are confusing Bias with preference, a Bias is something that is weighted or un-even from One side to another. As you, quite correctly state, my videos are factual and non-partisan as all good reviews, journalism and any Scientific based analysis or content should be.

Maybe you are slightly more partisan to one of over the other and, as such, you see your bias creeping into the facts maybe?
 

Elios83

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also when ps5 has been better they have stated it is better its as simple as that. because this game is running better on the xbox people have lost their minds

No, we got no "PS5 advantage" in the title or winner announced in any of the multiple games where PS5 was ahead. AC Valhalla on PS5 was a much bigger gap than what we're seeing here with Hitman for example.
They stated facts as they were but without any fanfare.
It's evident that someone (Thomas Morgan) was so happy with this particular result that he simply dropped the mask in the over excitement to finally be able to proclaim a XSX (minor) advantage in a particular game.
Btw there's nothing to lose minds over this game. It runs really well on both XSX and PS5, almost no one can tell the difference between 1800p and native 4K unless they're being told. There are people who can't even notice if they're watching a HDR video, they know it because the TV menu tells them the signal is HDR :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

thelastword

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So this thread has devolved into hurling Insults instead of discussing the tech.Stop discussing posters and where you think their affiliations lie, start discussing their position on the topic at hand, answer their valid questions that's actually relevant to the discussion. This thread is not about individual posters, nor should it be an echo chamber. In a tech thread you can question things as the only metric that matters in not opinion, but things which can be proven.

In such threads, visuals, framerate, stats take pole position, not opinion. We can discuss a screen or frame rate issues or disparities in visuals. Stop attacking posters just because you want a specific end result, attack with stats and evidence, not pent up personal squabbles and hate fueled by console preferences.
 

assurdum

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im stating fact, youre stating delusion. there nothing close about the hardware. faster cpu, 2-3tf compute difference, higher mem bandwidth, newer rdna2 chipset, new hardware features like VRS.
we're starting to realize some of that power difference now, with hitman3 running %44 higher res, rumors of resident evil struggling on the ps5, and more to come.
I start to realise you are hopeless. Goodbye
 
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sircaw

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The only thing i would like to see is why people keep stating that NXGamer NXGamer is somehow a biased reviewer.

If you are going to accuse someone, can you please link or show evidence of it. From the videos i have watched he does not show any favoritism to sony when he is reviewing games.

His work is often more detailed than Df, perhaps it's in that he finds more things, that some sets of fans do not like?
 

assurdum

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The only thing i would like to see is why people keep stating that NXGamer NXGamer is somehow a biased reviewer.

If you are going to accuse someone, can you please link or show evidence of it. From the videos i have watched he does not show any favoritism to sony when he is reviewing games.

His work is often more detailed than Df, perhaps it's in that he finds more things, that some sets of fans do not like?
Because in his reviews he never exalted the Xbox platform. Some people can't stand someone who isn't it impartial as DF. He is surely a Sony pony fan.
 
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Andodalf

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No, we got no "PS5 advantage" in the title or winner announced in any of the multiple games where PS5 was ahead. AC Valhalla on PS5 was a much bigger gap than what we're seeing here with Hitman for example.
They stated facts as they were but without any fanfare.
It's evident that someone (Thomas Morgan) was so happy with this particular result that he simply dropped the mask in the over excitement to finally be able to proclaim a XSX (minor) advantage in a particular game.
Btw there's nothing to lose minds over this game. It runs really well on both XSX and PS5, almost no one can tell the difference between 1800p and native 4K unless they're being told. There are people who can't even notice if they're watching a HDR video, they know it because the TV menu tells them the signal is HDR :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Are you joking? They 100% said AC Was best on PS5 and the only reason to go XSX was if you had a VRR capable display.
 
You are confusing Bias with preference, a Bias is something that is weighted or un-even from One side to another. As you, quite correctly state, my videos are factual and non-partisan as all good reviews, journalism and any Scientific based analysis or content should be.

Maybe you are slightly more partisan to one of over the other and, as such, you see your bias creeping into the facts maybe?
Your bias does show when you do exclusive videos. You call them tech videos but they are really just sploosh videos. Also the way you word things in your comparison videos shows bias but the numbers and such are factual.
You are quite wrong about my bias. I much prefer PlayStation. It's just the PlayStation fans here are mouthy, whiney babies who I would compare to children but I've yet to meet a child who is as big of whiney little bitches as most of the ps fans in these comparison threads.
 

Elios83

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Are you joking? They 100% said AC Was best on PS5 and the only reason to go XSX was if you had a VRR capable display.

Are you reading? I was talking about the video title.
Why they never claimed victory for a particular platform in the video title before the XSX actually scored one? They had tons of chances to make videos with "A PS5 advantage" in title.
This is simpy an undeniable fact that showcases the true colors/preferences that some people have.
I already stated that for me this is human and there's nothing wrong with it. It's just stupid to deny it.
 
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NXGamer

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Your bias does show when you do exclusive videos. You call them tech videos but they are really just sploosh videos. Also the way you word things in your comparison videos shows bias but the numbers and such are factual.
You are quite wrong about my bias. I much prefer PlayStation. It's just the PlayStation fans here are mouthy, whiney babies who I would compare to children but I've yet to meet a child who is as big of whiney little bitches as most of the ps fans in these comparison threads.
I never said you preferred Xbox. Seemed like you read into my statement what YOU saw not what I said, funny that, almost like a form of bias creeping in.
 
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thelastword

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You are confusing Bias with preference, a Bias is something that is weighted or un-even from One side to another. As you, quite correctly state, my videos are factual and non-partisan as all good reviews, journalism and any Scientific based analysis or content should be.

Maybe you are slightly more partisan to one of over the other and, as such, you see your bias creeping into the facts maybe?
That is always the case. It's pretty much scientific at this point. The quickest people to call out bias or fanboys are the biggest fanboys themselves. They would prefer it, if every tech channel would echo their preferences, even if there is no consistency, there are holes and still much to discuss after would be conclusions.
 

assurdum

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This is getting embarrassing. Dude you 100% have a bias and play into it in your videos. Acting like you're above that makes you look like a huge fanboy who gets pouty when people say that bias exists.
But DF is not an Xbox fanboy right? Curiously for Xbox fans DF is not partisan but the fact Nxgamer doesn't praise Xbox as DF makes him a Sony fanboy. Mmmm.
 
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sircaw

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This is getting embarrassing. Dude you 100% have a bias and play into it in your videos. Acting like you're above that makes you look like a huge fanboy who gets pouty when people say that bias exists.

Then show a video of him doing it, he has like loads on his site, go and pick one, if it's 100% it should be easy to see.

You're just talking bullshit, like all the other people here accusing him of something.

Bring the proof, i wanna see evidence of him where he gets down and dirty with a ps5. :messenger_grinning:
 
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Caio

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Genuine question :
If your console "wins" a comparison is that some sort of personal accomplishment that's gonna make your life somehow better? If not... Can we finally shut the fuck up and enjoy our new consoles? Like grateful people do.

I believe that 90% of posters here do not even have a XSX, and/or not even play videogames. There is kind of "fanboy virus" in their blood, and they can't stop behaving like kids or pussy ! And now back to Fallout4 on my XBox One X, I'm addicted to it, I'm sick ah ah :messenger_beaming: time to play.
 

sircaw

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Some users have already been removed from this thread. Knock off the petty personal attacks and debate the content- not perceived character of one another.
you get me all hot under the collar{Gills) when you talk angry "lollipop_disappointed:
leaving thread now
 
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assurdum

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I think they have never done such a thing in all those past years (title with "best on Playstation" subtitle). Why would they start doing that now?
I just said the fact they emphasize the Xbox victory in their titles but not when happens on playstation indicate they are partial. It's blatantly evident in every single analysis how their narrative is built around a particular machine.
 
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phil_t98

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No, we got no "PS5 advantage" in the title or winner announced in any of the multiple games where PS5 was ahead. AC Valhalla on PS5 was a much bigger gap than what we're seeing here with Hitman for example.
They stated facts as they were but without any fanfare.
It's evident that someone (Thomas Morgan) was so happy with this particular result that he simply dropped the mask in the over excitement to finally be able to proclaim a XSX (minor) advantage in a particular game.
Btw there's nothing to lose minds over this game. It runs really well on both XSX and PS5, almost no one can tell the difference between 1800p and native 4K unless they're being told. There are people who can't even notice if they're watching a HDR video, they know it because the TV menu tells them the signal is HDR :messenger_tears_of_joy:
So they have a title with plays better in 4K , is that really a big thing? They actively say how games run better on ps5 when they did the early comparisons. Yes they couldn’t understand why series x was so far behind in the early games, and they were right once they were patched they ran very similar or the same.

your right though nobody should get heated as what ever version of each game usually runs well
 

FrankWza

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I just said the fact they emphasize the Xbox victory in their titles but not when happens on playstation indicate they are partial. It's blatantly evident in every single analysis how their narrative is built around a particular machine.
John linneman is cool by me. Straight up and seems to enjoy playing games as much as the tech side of things.
 

assurdum

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So they have a title with plays better in 4K , is that really a big thing? They actively say how games run better on ps5 when they did the early comparisons. Yes they couldn’t understand why series x was so far behind in the early games, and they were right once they were patched they ran very similar or the same.

your right though nobody should get heated as what ever version of each game usually runs well
Where he said it's a big thing? They are Xbox partisan and that's it. Why deny that?
 
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