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[Nickolaidas]

I think it's strange with all the rumors about the horrible tools on Xbox that they managed to have the game running at a Native 4K 60FPs when they were struggling with the console that's easiest to develop for.

That's the only real thing that bugged me about the Disk Golem claim.

Edit: What really bugged me though was when he said he leaked that for console warring. Kind of makes everything he leaked a little suspicious in my opinion.

Did he mention the Series X specifically? I remember him saying that people tested RE8 on a PS5, PS4 and X1X or something ... my guess is that the PS5 version was an unoptimized barebones PC port which is why it originally ran like shit.

But seriously, what does it matter? Development issues happen all the time. Heck, even patches can now downgrade a version, like it happened with Witcher 3 on the PS4 or Valhalla on the PS5. People seem to think that the PS5 will magically optimize every single game engine without any sort of difficulty or effort for all games by all developers.

 

[Nickolaidas]

You know that Dusk also mentioned that RE8 struggling on PS5 at 1080p. Well, first showed RE8 demo was at 4k. So yeah, he's a fraud

 

[karaveo]

It seems that he was right all along, and he lied about being lying.

 

[Elios83]

The man basically leaked RE8, RE4make, told us when RE2make was going to get its reveal trailer, leaked Sekiro, has been correct on tons of things, yet is called a 'fraud' because a few fanboys couldn't fathom the fact that the PS5 edition ORIGINALLY had development issues.

Seriously, go watch the reveal trailer one more time - you know, the one that was supposedly running on a PS5 and watch the fucking thing going down to 5 frames per second at some points.

But sure, he's a 'fraud'.

Can your minds grasp the notion that a game can run like shit when unoptimized but eventually can run just fine? Do you remember the first gameplay clips of Godfall which had frequent framedrops yet the final game runs smoothly at 60fps?

Mindblowing, am I right?

PS5 will cost 60.000 yen, 599$
All developers are struggling with PS5 games at 4K
Microsoft is waiting for Sony to announce the PS5 price, they're going to undercut them.
RE8 struggles to run at 1080p 60 fps ( the first actual demo that is probably old code as well is 4K60fps with ray traced stuff).
The whole "Silent Hill on PS5 about to be announced" saga that should have been directed by a guy who actually recently left Sony.

He said ton of bullshit, period.
You're right that he got some things Capcom related right, but it's also clear that he adds tons of personal bullshit to the mix.

 

[Shaukdotdj]

This aged wonderfully lol, nice to see all the other people here lol

 

[MasterCornholio]

Did he mention the Series X specifically? I remember him saying that people tested RE8 on a PS5, PS4 and X1X or something ... my guess is that the PS5 version was an unoptimized barebones PC port which is why it originally ran like shit.

But seriously, what does it matter? Development issues happen all the time. Heck, even patches can now downgrade a version, like it happened with Witcher 3 on the PS4 or Valhalla on the PS5. People seem to think that the PS5 will magically optimize every single game engine without any sort of difficulty or effort for all games by all developers.

Weird I thought he said it was just fine on Xbox but a mess on PS5. Then he threw out that balance statement. Just seemed a bit odd to me. Whether he made up that information or not we will never know.

 

[Camreezie]

So Dusk is confirmed to be full of shit?

 

[MasterCornholio]

So Dusk is confirmed to be full of shit?

I believe he did give us some good information but I also believe he gave us some BS as well.

 

[acm2000]

PS5 will cost 60.000 yen, 599$
All developers are struggling with PS5 games at 4K
Microsoft is waiting for Sony to announce the PS5 price, they're going to undercut them.
RE8 struggles to run at 1080p 60 fps ( the first actual demo that is probably old code as well is 4K60fps with ray traced stuff).
The whole "Silent Hill on PS5 about to be announced" saga that should have been directed by a guy who actually recently left Sony.

He said ton of bullshit, period.
You're right that he got some things Capcom related right, but it's also clear that he adds tons of personal bullshit to the mix.

its 4k with checkerboard upscaling according to DF, not native.

 

[Nickolaidas]

RE8 struggles to run at 1080p 60 fps ( the first actual demo that is probably old code as well is 4K60fps with ray traced stuff).

The demo is definitely a newer version than the one used for the reveal trailer, which ran like shit. And I'm willing to bet my long-lost virginity that the trailer version was the version that Dusk was told about.

 

[Elios83]

its 4k with checkerboard upscaling according to DF, not native.

Not precisely, they stated the whole presentation is as crisp as native 4K and they could only spot some form of reconstruction zooming on pixels on effects like the fire in the fireplace.
They couldn't pixel count anything other than 4K.
I'd say that something that looks as crisp as native 4K, 60fps and with some ray tracing in, is a far cry from struggling at 1080p....
And this demo is probably really old code that was ready since last year since it's just a room tour that is not part of the final game.

The demo is definitely a newer version than the one used for the reveal trailer, which ran like shit. And I'm willing to bet my long-lost virginity that the trailer version was the version that Dusk was told about.

There is no proof that Capcom was ever considering anything but 4K for this game, all the past trailers, even the first one that you say that was running like shit was 4K. Where is this 1080p coming from? Let alone struggling to hit 1080p at 60fps? Zero proof based on all evidence (trailers and demo).
Also I think that I gave you many examples where Dusk Golem was caught spreading bullshit although you're omitting to quote them in your reply.

Seriously my opinion about Dusk Golem is that he's not a total fraud, he has some sources connected to Capcom, but he is also looking for internet fame and drama, he adds bullshit made up by him to the mix and he fucks up his credibility in the process.

In any case regardless of him the most important thing is that RE8 looks amazing and really promising in this preliminary demo.

 

[Self]

So Dusk is confirmed to be full of shit?

If you had played the demo... yes, full of stupid shit.

 

[Dick Jones]

I mean if PS4 can do 1080p it can also do this fake 4k. It's all the same this rumor was clearly spot on!

Sure to paraphrase Aaron Greenberg who is somehow still employed by MS, you get the output in 4k so its the same thing.

 

[Nickolaidas]

There is no proof that Capcom was ever considering anything but 4K for this game.

Of course there is no 'proof' - how the hell can someone prove internal development struggles unless a developer officially confirms it later on?

The closest thing to a 'proof' is the utterly horrendous performance RE8 had in the reveal trailer. If it went 5 frames per second at 4K in a scene where there was only one to zero enemies on screen, it doesn't take a genius to figure out how the game was running with five werewolves and a giant on screen at 1080p. Definitely not 60 fps.

So yeah, I can definitely see THAT version of the game running 25-30 fps at 1080p and 'struggling'.

 

[Boss Mog]

I knew he was full of shit.

 

[Elios83]

Of course there is no 'proof' - how the hell can someone prove internal development struggles unless a developer officially confirms it later on?

The closest thing to a 'proof' is the utterly horrendous performance RE8 had in the reveal trailer. If it went 5 frames per second at 4K in a scene where there was only one to zero enemies on screen, it doesn't take a genius to figure out how the game was running with five werewolves and a giant on screen at 1080p. Definitely not 60 fps.

So yeah, I can definitely see THAT version of the game running 25-30 fps at 1080p and 'struggling'.

There is no version of the game running at 1080p on PS5.
But emm ok if you want to continue with the selective quoting and you want to believe that he was telling the truth you're free to do it.
It won't change the fact that he was full of bullshit on tons of stuff.

 

[Nickolaidas]

There is no version of the game running at 1080p on PS5.

You do realize that's like saying there is no pre-alpha version of the game because we didn't get to see it, right?

 

[John Wick]

The man basically leaked RE8, RE4make, told us when RE2make was going to get its reveal trailer, leaked Sekiro, has been correct on tons of things, yet is called a 'fraud' because a few fanboys couldn't fathom the fact that the PS5 edition ORIGINALLY had development issues.

Seriously, go watch the reveal trailer one more time - you know, the one that was supposedly running on a PS5 and watch the fucking thing going down to 5 frames per second at some points.

But sure, he's a 'fraud'.

Can your minds grasp the notion that a game can run like shit when unoptimized but eventually can run just fine? Do you remember the first gameplay clips of Godfall which had frequent framedrops yet the final game runs smoothly at 60fps?

Mindblowing, am I right?

So why was he making a big deal about the PS5 version then? Considering all games in development run like shit especially on new hardware with immature tools and software? Or did all the other versions in development run 4K 60fps from the off? Seems like Dusk Wanker had an Agenda to push.

 

[Elios83]

You do realize that's like saying there is no pre-alpha version of the game because we didn't get to see it, right?

But we saw the pre-alpha in June. It was running in 4k and not 1080p. There is zero evidence to suggest that 1080p was ever considered as a target res for this game on PS5. If the game was not running well at 1080p do you believe they would have aimed for 4k as a target hoping to do miracles? Cyberpunk 2077 part two?
And if it was struggling to do 1080p on PS5 what would have happened to the base PS4 version?
Again a Cyberpunk 2077 scenario.
Listen, it's clear that you WANT believe him at all costs regardless of the many times he was caught spreading bullshit and regardless of the evidence being against him even in this case.
You're free to believe whatever you want, whoever you want, I have nothing more to add.

 

[Shmunter]

The man basically leaked RE8, RE4make, told us when RE2make was going to get its reveal trailer, leaked Sekiro, has been correct on tons of things, yet is called a 'fraud' because a few fanboys couldn't fathom the fact that the PS5 edition ORIGINALLY had development issues.

Seriously, go watch the reveal trailer one more time - you know, the one that was supposedly running on a PS5 and watch the fucking thing going down to 5 frames per second at some points.

But sure, he's a 'fraud'.

Can your minds grasp the notion that a game can run like shit when unoptimized but eventually can run just fine? Do you remember the first gameplay clips of Godfall which had frequent framedrops yet the final game runs smoothly at 60fps?

Mindblowing, am I right?

You’ve missed the point entirely. His objective was to create fud where there was none. Because it wasn’t fair Xbox wasn’t getting any love PS5 needed to be taken down.

 

[Camreezie]

If you had played the demo... yes, full of stupid shit.

I dont have a ps5 so can't

 

[Nikana]

The man basically leaked RE8, RE4make, told us when RE2make was going to get its reveal trailer, leaked Sekiro, has been correct on tons of things, yet is called a 'fraud' because a few fanboys couldn't fathom the fact that the PS5 edition ORIGINALLY had development issues.

Seriously, go watch the reveal trailer one more time - you know, the one that was supposedly running on a PS5 and watch the fucking thing going down to 5 frames per second at some points.

But sure, he's a 'fraud'.

Can your minds grasp the notion that a game can run like shit when unoptimized but eventually can run just fine? Do you remember the first gameplay clips of Godfall which had frequent framedrops yet the final game runs smoothly at 60fps?

Mindblowing, am I right?

 

[mckmas8808]

You do realize that's like saying there is no pre-alpha version of the game because we didn't get to see it, right?

Why are you so excited to believe the lie? There's no proof the game was struggling to run at 1080p\60 on the PS5.

 

[FUBARx89]

Didn't he end up coming out saying he was chatting shit because xbox wasn't getting enough acclaim from ree users?

Personally I don't like the bloke. Am still waiting on silent hill reboot and he just copies what other people say, passing it off as his own news.

 

[Gediminas]

The man basically leaked RE8, RE4make, told us when RE2make was going to get its reveal trailer, leaked Sekiro, has been correct on tons of things, yet is called a 'fraud' because a few fanboys couldn't fathom the fact that the PS5 edition ORIGINALLY had development issues.

Seriously, go watch the reveal trailer one more time - you know, the one that was supposedly running on a PS5 and watch the fucking thing going down to 5 frames per second at some points.

But sure, he's a 'fraud'.

Can your minds grasp the notion that a game can run like shit when unoptimized but eventually can run just fine? Do you remember the first gameplay clips of Godfall which had frequent framedrops yet the final game runs smoothly at 60fps?

Mindblowing, am I right?

i saved 10 people, so i can kill some people too, but no one should questioning me on that or send to jail because man, i saved 10 people and everything should be write off.

but if i kill few, just for the sake off Balance in the world, you know, those good saves should be balanced with something bad. i should get free pass on my bullshite.

very nice worldview.

 

[VictorVectors]

The demo is definitely a newer version than the one used for the reveal trailer, which ran like shit. And I'm willing to bet my long-lost virginity that the trailer version was the version that Dusk was told about.

No one's ever going to take that bet! They hate the prize.

 

[Romulus]

I can just imagine back when Dusk reported this.

Dev: The game is struggling to lock 60fps at 1080p, what do we do?

Capcom: Raise the resolution over 2x the pixels and add RT

 

[Negotiator101]

I can just imagine back when Dusk reported this.

Dev: The game is struggling to lock 60fps at 1080p, what do we do?

Capcom: Raise the resolution over 2x the pixels and add RT

It's checkerboard rendering from 1440p or something to a 4k image? Could it have been rendered up from 1080p to a higher resolution using checkerboard rendering? If so that may have been what he was talking about?

 

[Sony]

A console as strong as PS5 struggling 1080p/60FPS isn't an indication of the power of the console, but rather the state of development the game is in. While people were shitting on PS5 at the time, they should have been shitting on RE5. But as always with game development, builds improve over time and this whole 'fiasco' was a nothingburger.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Why are you so excited to believe the lie? There's no proof the game was struggling to run at 1080p\60 on the PS5.

 

[LisaMariaMartin]

So Dusk is confirmed to be full of shit?

Not really. People are really reaching if they think they can base off the actual game performance from a 5 minute demo with 0 enemies.

 

[Nickolaidas]

i saved 10 people, so i can kill some people too, but no one should questioning me on that or send to jail because man, i saved 10 people and everything should be write off.

but if i kill few, just for the sake off Balance in the world, you know, those good saves should be balanced with something bad. i should get free pass on my bullshite.

very nice worldview.

More like, "I saved 10 people and everyone saw it, then some weeks later someone accused me of killing 10 people and everyone called me a killer, despite never seeing me killing them."

Not really. People are really reaching if they think they can base off the actual game performance from a 5 minute demo with 0 enemies.

The game will run 4K/60fps on PS5 with zero issues - I'm sure of it.

It's just that this wasn't always the case, as the reveal trailer proves.

 

[Romulus]

It's checkerboard rendering from 1440p or something to a 4k image? Could it have been rendered up from 1080p to a higher resolution using checkerboard rendering? If so that may have been what he was talking about?

Thats worse case scenario that its 1440p. On top of that checkerboarding isn't free, it's just less expensive.
So struggling at 1080p doesn't make any sense, even if what we saw in the demo was native 1440p, which it isn't.

 

[01011001]

CHECKERBOARDING FROM 1440p TO 4K IS NOT A THING...
fucking hell... we need a pinned thread on this forum on CB so people finally get this...

2160cb (4K checkerboarded) = 1920x2160 real pixels rendered. exactly 50% of 4K
1440p = 2560x1440
there is no such thing as 4K checkerboarding from 1440p!

1440p = 3.686.400 pixels (44.44% of 4K)
2160cb = 4.147.200 pixels (50% of 4K)
so also in terms of raw pixels there is a difference.

depending on the implementation the missing information of each frame is handled differently... there are very clever ways to hide it (see Dark Souls Remastered) and very simple ways that are very obvious but also very sharp as a result (see Rocket League on PS4pro). the former is more GPU intensive while the latter is way less so.

so there is no "worst case scenario" the game uses ckeckerboard rendering and the final output is 4K, which means we know for a fact the exact resolution the game is rendered in before post processing, and that resolution is 1920x2160 in an alternating checkerboard pattern, it's basically fancy interlacing

The game will run 4K/60fps on PS5 with zero issues - I'm sure of it.

It's just that this wasn't always the case, as the reveal trailer proves.

it doesn't even run at 50% 4k with zero issues my dude... as the demo proves

 

[Blue Spring]

People defending duskgolem should lay off the crack.

His "insider" info was that the PS5 could not run RE8 at stable 1080p/60fps while at the same time the XSX had no problem running it at 4K/60fps. This was always utter nonsense and a demo was not needed to call bullshit on this. He himself realized how fucking stupid this claim was, which is why he came clean about his shilling for Xbox and making up FUD against Playstation.

 

[The Hamburglar]

People defending duskgolem should lay off the crack.

His "insider" info was that the PS5 could not run RE8 at stable 1080p/60fps while at the same time the XSX had no problem running it at 4K/60fps. This was always utter nonsense and a demo was not needed to call bullshit on this. He himself realized how fucking stupid this claim was, which is why he came clean about his shilling for Xbox and making up FUD against Playstation.

It’s getting embarrassing at this points. This thread and Golem have been discussed to death. Either the people defending golem have just joined their first internet gaming forum while avoiding online gaming press for a year or just trolling.

The guy straight up admitted to lying .

 

[Romulus]

People defending duskgolem should lay off the crack.

His "insider" info was that the PS5 could not run RE8 at stable 1080p/60fps while at the same time the XSX had no problem running it at 4K/60fps. This was always utter nonsense and a demo was not needed to call bullshit on this. He himself realized how fucking stupid this claim was, which is why he came clean about his shilling for Xbox and making up FUD against Playstation.

Even more ridiculous.

12TF? no problem 4k 60fps

10TF? Let's drop it to 900p because it's struggling at 1080p 60fps

Makes no sense at all

 

[Blue Spring]

It’s getting embarrassing at this points. This thread and Golem have been discussed to death. Either the people defending golem have just joined their first internet gaming forum while avoiding online gaming press for a year or just trolling.

The guy straight up admitted to lying .

Just shows that you can deny and dispute anything no matter how conclusive the evidence is.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

It’s getting embarrassing at this points. This thread and Golem have been discussed to death. Either the people defending golem have just joined their first internet gaming forum while avoiding online gaming press for a year or just trolling.

The guy straight up admitted to lying .

Why is this thread even fucking open and people still defending this sack of shit.

He admitted to spreading FUD so what is there to defend.
Christ, some people need prayer and a shrink they are so incredibly stupid.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Even more ridiculous.

12TF? no problem 4k 60fps

10TF? Let's drop it to 900p because it's struggling at 1080p 60fps

Makes no sense at all

It only makes sense to the blue guy and let's face it, he's not very smart.

 

[jroc74]

The man basically leaked RE8, RE4make, told us when RE2make was going to get its reveal trailer, leaked Sekiro, has been correct on tons of things, yet is called a 'fraud' because a few fanboys couldn't fathom the fact that the PS5 edition ORIGINALLY had development issues.

Seriously, go watch the reveal trailer one more time - you know, the one that was supposedly running on a PS5 and watch the fucking thing going down to 5 frames per second at some points.

But sure, he's a 'fraud'.

Can your minds grasp the notion that a game can run like shit when unoptimized but eventually can run just fine? Do you remember the first gameplay clips of Godfall which had frequent framedrops yet the final game runs smoothly at 60fps?

Mindblowing, am I right?

I find it funny that people dont seem to realise that a game can run terribly during development.

If only he had presented it like this, maybe the reactions would have been different.

It took others to present it like this to get any meaningful discussion.

Funny how some ppl still fail to realize this.

I do agree what he said about this game doesn't invalidate everything else he got right.

 

[John Wick]

More like, "I saved 10 people and everyone saw it, then some weeks later someone accused me of killing 10 people and everyone called me a killer, despite never seeing me killing them."


The game will run 4K/60fps on PS5 with zero issues - I'm sure of it.

It's just that this wasn't always the case, as the reveal trailer proves.

No shit Sherlock! A game early in development on new hardware with early tools and software isn't running at final spec? Breaking News at 10

 

[Nickolaidas]

No shit Sherlock! A game early in development on new hardware with early tools and software isn't running at final spec? Breaking News at 10

Barking on the wrong tree, buddy.

 

[Negotiator101]

Just shows that you can deny and dispute anything no matter how conclusive the evidence is.

Where is the evidence, I'm not sure who this guy even is apart from a Res Evil insider. Just curious what the evidence is?

 

[pratyush]

Why this thread is going on? This Dusk Golem guy already admitted he lied about PS5 because he wanted to pander to Xbox fanboys. If someone can do such petty thing then he isn't worth listening to. Don't know why so many here are jumping to defend him. He can get information from US president for all I care, but he will always be a fraud

 

[Negotiator101]

Why this thread is going on? This Dusk Golem guy already admitted he lied about PS5 because he wanted to pander to Xbox fanboys. If someone can do such petty thing then he isn't worth listening to. Don't know why so many here are jumping to defend him. He can get information from US president for all I care, but he will always be a fraud

I just checked out of curiosity as I'm not sure what this is all about, but as far as I can see this was a tweet he posted after apparently getting exposed.

I was never debunked or admitted to lying, because I'm telling the truth, & that will prove true over time. -I wasn't de-modded on Era for saying this,that's a narrative spun with coincidental timing. Era staff will say the same.

I couldn't find him saying he lied, could you point me to it, thanks.

 

[John Wick]

I just checked out of curiosity as I'm not sure what this is all about, but as far as I can see this was a tweet he posted after apparently getting exposed.

I was never debunked or admitted to lying, because I'm telling the truth, & that will prove true over time. -I wasn't de-modded on Era for saying this,that's a narrative spun with coincidental timing. Era staff will say the same.

I couldn't find him saying he lied, could you point me to it, thanks.

It's what and how he said it. He never put anything in context until much later when people called him out on it. PS5 was riding high with the UE5 demo and Sony games showcase. It doesn't take a genius to realise Capcom would have issues with their first game on PS5 especially in this pandemic and early development. It's like saying water is wet

 

[TheKratos]

Dusk wanted attention. Nothing more. Came at cost of his credibility.

 

[M1chl]

After start of this gen, "insiders" not even once anymore.

Dusk wanted attention. Nothing more. Came at cost of his credibility.

He/she was hardly alone.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Where is the evidence, I'm not sure who this guy even is apart from a Res Evil insider. Just curious what the evidence is?

Here we go again