Good that you said you notice 69% diff... coz this game scale horizontally and vertically so is 3200*1800 vs 3840*2160 basically 70% + shadow quality difference
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[DF] Hitman 3 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Comparison
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93xfan
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It was more poking fun at the “Cerny is a genius” we get when the comparison goes the other way
SmurfMustard
Member
Not everyone can be on message boards 24/7. Some people still need some time to game. Odd concept, I know.
DeadOblivion78
Member
The thing is for me that 1080p the amount of pixels is around 2,073,600. 1800p pixel count is around 5,760,000 which is almost 3 times 1080p. We are dealing with so many pixels that for me it's just diminishing returns.
well it could be if you continue to play in the same tv/monitor ...i gone from a 32 to a 65" oled or 55 4k 120hz vrr tv and trust me you see the diff if things aren't native 4k
Mister Wolf
Member
That depends entirely on the size of your display and how far you sit away from it.
TBiddy
Member
Talk about moving the goalposts. While I agree with you somewhat, with regards to the diminishing returns, it's still fun to see goalposts getting moved several miles in order to fit the argument.
DeadOblivion78
Member
Well yes it all entirely depends on your setup which is either a monitor or a tv.
DeadOblivion78
Member
I'm not taking either side of this. I'm just thinking "are we still going to even keep arguing about image quality when 8k and 12k become standards in the far future"? By then, there is no point of arguing for me.
FrankWza
Member
24/7? It’s been 2 months hahahahahaha
Is that why nobody is talking about hitman 3 in the ot? Everyone is so busy playing it to bother posting about it so it’s only 5 pages.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
No it's not, or you need to do some side by side comparison and then it will even be hard. Otherwise you won't when you sitting at the normal distance from your screen.
And sorry, but it dropped way more then just 5fps, and microstutters. Even my son can notice microstutters in games....
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Silent Viper
Banned
Im talking about difference in multiplatform games between PS5 and SX in loadtimes.
Silent Viper
Banned
Outside of Mendoza, there are no drops in Hitman 3 SX. I have completed entire game. Very smooth experience overall.
So stop with lies. You clearly have not played it on any platform.
yes it is. you see how it work ....it's called opinion.
Man the xsx version is better no matter how much hard and long you try to fight the reality ...you will have to face it and accept it. Gosh this is becoming embarassing
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assurdum
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Well to be fair hearing even DF they were surprised where ps5 landed in many multiplat but just because they repeatedly understimate it without valid tech reasons
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assurdum
Banned
Academic? Really now? But I take you seriously for a moment. Really you think an academic doesn't claim bullshit? Because Dictator every time talks about ps5 hardware is all about to redimensioned it otherwise barely care to have an argumentation. Take a look if you want.
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they undertimated because of the paper specs in fact the perf of the ps5 seem to be ok for what it is. The prob as always been the xsx but this game .. hitman 3 let ppl hope that as has always happened since the gpu and the cpu exist the specs countWell to be fair hearing even DF they were surprised where ps5 landed in many multiplat but just because they repeatedly understimate it without valid tech reasons
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assurdum
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Dude they literally screamed to the miracle because series X has a 18% more of raw power. They called it a beast. The power difference between the two platform are not even academically worthy it to discuss. Hitman 3 engine is not even crazy demanding, probably is one of the cheapest engine released until now on next gen.
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JackMcGunns
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The difference between 1800p and 2160p is actually bigger than 900p to 1080p, you're forgetting to measure both vertical and horizontal lines. it's especially noticeable on large 4K displays.
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Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
So you tell me that the game on both consoles is completely locked at 60? because it's not and even the DF video and the video from the other guy. It doesn't matter if it's not locked on both, but saying it is...is the lie here.
Better in what...overall better? Doesn't look like any version is better over the other since gameplay experience is not limited by one over the other. People already said "XSX is already leaving PS5 behind"...Well if this is what we can expect in difference between the 2 then it looks again...disappointing for this "oMg 12tF" console.
It's embarrassing to claim a big victory, praising the tools because the XSX doesn't do anything magical over the PS5 right here. Performance>res if the difference isn't even noticeable when playing.
The win is even smaller then some of the other DF comparisons we had before, but congrats with the win. To this day, the XSX does not show the difference at all, which MS once claimed.
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assurdum
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Oh God not again. There a game with DLSS which are even sharper than native resolution, more sharper even than 1800p Vs 4k.
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Silent Viper
Banned
In Mendoza level it was definitely not locked. I was felt some hiccups there, but in other levels i never felt any drops. Its a very well optimised game on all consoles
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Mister Wolf
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It was the truth when I told you as well.
well on all honestly isn't just that ..have more tf bw and cpu clock ..it seem to have silicon for machine learning (or the cu's are made to work better with it) and on paper there's something missing on ps5 (that we still don't know officially because I doubt Sony would ever say that) about the rdna2 feature set. Both console are great and both have their strengths but on paper it was easy to declare a winner i think anyone who has anything to do with hw would say the same thing as DF. Certainly the customizations made by cerny on the ps5 regarding I/O they are more than interesting but at the same time just where they are important, that is in the comparisons, they are bringing practically no advantage. So I guess both sides have over hyped and under delivered. Let it be clear if in the next batch of games the xsx will not keep an advantage, even if not huge, there will be really scratching the head.
JackMcGunns
Member
Hey, some Xbox fans are actually just happy that Xbox went from the disastrous Xbox One, $100 more and noticeably inferior to PS4, to actually catching up and even surpassing Sony in both power department and form factor at the same price point, that's a massive turnaround and a great technical feat considering Cerny is a genius. Andrew Goossen deserves some praise here.
assurdum
Banned
The truth is such argument is pretestuos as hell. Because I can tell you a normal person can notice more the lower resolution in Valhalla on series X when happens than 1800p on ps5 with Hitman, because higher pixels density decrease notably such perception.
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assurdum
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The major CPU clock can be used just in actual multiplat because without multithreading , Ryzen CPU in the future is really underutilized. GPU TF and I stay wide, it has a 20% of advantage. On pc this number is almost irrelevant, take in mind have 20% or 25% more on the paper, let's exaggerate, doesn't translate linearly in such advantage in perfomance. You don't have to scratch your head if significantly advantage will not to be that common. There is nothing which indicate otherwise in total raw specs on both. If it will happens, it means Sony has screwed everything and MS did everything right. Of course I don't totally exclude that. Could even be the case.
The common mistake in my opinion many people did it's continue to say ps5 is like a 2070super and series X as 2080. I don't get it how can be considered a valid meter of comparison. Nvidia GPU not work as AMD GPU, you can't compare the TF in nvidia GPU and say amd on console will do the same. It's absurd.
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the thing is the perf are basically identical ....it's like if the ps5 was going at 4k with shadow setting on high 99% of the time everyone who would call xsx version graphically superior would be ridiculous and should have been ridiculed. But the reality is that the xsx has 99% of the ps5 perfs but the latter renders 70% of the pixels of the xsx with lower settings. It's not a huge difference ... but it's something
ahahah ))
So because you don't notice the difference it doesn't exist or count. Great way of analysing everything.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
So the recap is this:
- XsX has higher res 100% of the time (4k vs 1800p)
- XsX has higher shadow quality 100% of the time (high vs medium)
- XsX has slightly more frame drops for less than 1% of gaming (including a cut scene, running around in a patch of purple flowers, and scoping)
- Sony fans claim victory and DF editors are biased MS buddies saying XsX has a 4k advantage
Got it.
- XsX has higher res 100% of the time (4k vs 1800p)
- XsX has higher shadow quality 100% of the time (high vs medium)
- XsX has slightly more frame drops for less than 1% of gaming (including a cut scene, running around in a patch of purple flowers, and scoping)
- Sony fans claim victory and DF editors are biased MS buddies saying XsX has a 4k advantage
Got it.
Probably whoever is saying this (and I know you are referring to dictator) is doing a relative comparison now anyone knows that TFs don't match AMD ones but we can establish for example that between the 2070s and the 2080s there's +or - 15% diff ...that percentage of difference can be translated by comparing two AMD GPUs obviously ignoring the objective performances of these two video cards as AMD would perform differently .... but it would convey the idea of the existing gap as the majority of people refer to and know better Nvidia cards.
Negotiator101
Member
I can see you believe Dictator or Digital Foundry have downplayed the PS5 correct? I'm not really in agreement with you but this is one game. PS5 has so far matched or bettered the Series X in most games, Hitman 3 as of now is the only game with a decent advantage for Series X. None of us know what's going to happen with future releases. Just let this one go and wait to see the next analysis, PS5 could well be back on top.
Shmunter
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Blinded by love
Where is the 12TF difference or the at least 18% power advantage of the Series X? if they don't use the advantage of a console in a multiplatform it will not show automatically... you know that right?
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alabtrosMyster
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Look at what it means in terms of pixel density, the "relative" scale is probably not the best metric, just like on phones/tablets once people had "retina" resolutions having more pixel density became a non issue, you have reached the useful level of details, 4k or near 4k has given us that level of performance for image reproduction on TVs.
We are going to have the same argument as the last couple of generation, but it's true that it has become less relevant (720p vs 560p was way worse than 1080p vs 900p which is much more noticeable than 1800p vs 2160p).
The reasons are:
- Scaling on 4K TVs/monitors is much better because the base pixels are pretty small, the artefacts are much harder to see--even if you know what to look for
- Pixel density is "high enough" above 1080p on a 4k TV each resolution step is much harder to discern
- Also, with dynamic resolutions this "difference" could last for a fraction of a second at a time
- If you have the choice between few drops to 1800p vs few frame rate drops to the mid 50s (or whatever) does it really matter AT ALL? I mean, it's a nice conversation starter with the girls, but beyond that is pretty much only telling us that these machines are functionally equal to one another.
The Hamburglar
Banned
I’m looking forward to the return of these terms coming back and used unironically:
Series x is a beast
Eats monsters for breakfast
12tf beast
40 delta
And the Phil spencer holding an Xbox from commando.
Shmunter
Member
Lol, no I haven’t. Is that the pillar to your entire argument?
I’m completely consistent on my position, and Xbox isn’t getting a pass, just as ps wouldn’t. No matter how many fifi’s get bruised in the process.
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oh ok good old dear "it's good enough" speech. I admit that I could also think like you but see this is a comparative thread where essentially we talked about the version objectively best. I come from a generation where PCs did not yet have 3dfx and I assure you it makes me smile to see kids arguing and slaughtering on a 3/5 per second frame drop. Both versions are good enough to satisfy the average user indeed they could satisfy even the hardcore players who are not too spoiled but now the world of video games has also become this where bug generates class actions and death threats on Twitter, and a 1% drop in frame rate makes scandal scream. Having said that objectively, the best version remains that of the Xbox let's see if IO will decide to patch the ps5 or other
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What would be even more fun is if PS5 went to 4k, and had no drops, but kept the medium shadows. How will we know which is the winner?!
Tchu-Espresso
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Unless you are sitting 1m from a 65 inch screen, it’s really not “especially noticeable”.
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We wouldn’t, but I trust IO tested it all and settled on this for a reason ...
phil_t98
#SonyToo
You making yourself sound childish, you know that the frame drop is only in that small segment of the game and everywhere else so far been proved to run at 60FPS at a much higher resoloution and that DF says it runs better at this monument on the series x but you won’t give it a pass lol
EdGalTBR
Banned
44% more pixels is no small thing, it needs much more GPU power and memory bandwidth.
muteZX
Banned
XSX drops frames immediately if engine is lightly stressed with alpha effects /mendoza level, sight a rifle scope, tire smoke/, so lets say that GPU power and memory bandwith for native 4K is simple not here.
assurdum
Banned
No I said Dictator doesn't care about ps5 hardware specs in general. The only times when he comments something about ps5 is just to redimensioned it. He said Cerny lied about raytracing hardware on it, he said faster SSD doesn't helps to evolve the VG design, he said Geometry engine is nothing of special just a word recycled from Vega architecture and he doubted has something special on ps5. He is literally prejudiced about everything inside the ps5, the only meter of comparison is valid for him is the TF and the bandwidth numbers using even nvidia GPU to catch the possible perfomance on ps5; nothing of more wrong considered AMD navi GPU is radically different in such usage.
If you don't see a problem in the Dictator narrative I don't know what else to tell you. Now it means he is a completely incompetent in other stuff? No probably is the best on DF to catch tech aspect in the analysis but when he talks about ps5 hardware perfomance take him with a big grain of salt, he literally doesn't care about it and his narrative doesn't go beyond the "comparable" pc specs on Nvidia setup, completely illogical from my point of views and I really doubt he has never cared to go in deep inside the ps5 specs talking with some of his sources.
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