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Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order next-gen update
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Night.Ninja
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Night.Ninja
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Its only right we show vg tech some love
Bogroll
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If this was the other way round there would be another thread made cause SX clearly out performs Ps5 here. But anyway we we wasn't expecting it so its better than a kick in the bollocks for both systems,
(unless you wanted the 30fps mode on Ps5)
bighugeguns
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Dude, I try my best not to be a dick, but damn it's hard not noticing how freaky she looks, it's jarring and just takes me out of the game, she's a great VA though, does a great job in the game.
If she got a mask DLC, I'd buy it in a second.
Great game, though, pick it up if you haven't yet.
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Phobos Base
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It definitely improves after a few hours. At first I was actively disliking playing it, but once you start getting powers it becomes more enjoyable. Although full disclosure, I never fully got the hang of the combat system and found it far more enjoyable to play on the easy difficulty.
skit_data
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Clearly? Series X drops to 1008p and the fps-difference is <1%. If anything, its very unclear wether Series X actually performs better considering it bottoms out sub 1080p where PS5 still holds 1200p
Roberts
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While the difference is small, it clearly runs better on XSX. Which is interesting considering DF tests that implied that PS5 is smoother.
Night.Ninja
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Well we are still waiting for nxgamers analysis
Roberts
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TheDude108
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skit_data
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He just posted it, and on Series X it seems to be hovering around 1260 most of the time, goes up to 1440 in the lighter areas and drops down to 1080 in more busy sections. Yeah, i dont really see a ”clear winner” but congratulations to the people doing so i guess.
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Night.Ninja
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MasterCornholio
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Pretty much why a native version is a must to achieve sweet load times.
I've seen a video where some guy compared Spiderman via BC and Spider-Man Native PS5 version and there was a huge difference between the two when it came to the load times.
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Calverz
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I know but i mean come on to fuck. The SSD is a huge difference in speed. I dont expect the game to 100% fully utilise it but at least some kind of speed boost!
MasterCornholio
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That's how much the PS5s I/O sucks with BC. For native games it's actually pretty great.
Especially 1st party titles. Ratchet and Clank should be an interesting tech demo.
MasterCornholio
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BC is definitely a weakness for Sony but you're right that Next Gen games are where the comparisons should be really studied.
Leyasu
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BC or cross gen with perf patches are one and the same. Since november this forum has exploded over comparisons of these. Yet they indicate nothing.
Gudji
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Nonsense, native games are improved versions for both consoles and they work as benchmarks. Just like in any previous generation.
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Leyasu
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What, are you saying that games like assassins creed and FIFA are native?
Gudji
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Yes, they are native versions and taking advantage of the hardware. Some have more improvements than others though.
Leyasu
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? They are games that were built for the last gen consoles that have a few improvements here and there. The majority in performance. They are nothing compared to what we will be playing 2-3 yrs into this gen. Not even close when considering the gulf between the base consoles which must be catered for and the new gen ones.
Gudji
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That still doesn't mean they're not native versions, it also doesn't means the performance deltas we've been seeing now will be any different. Like I said, the native games being crossgen or not is irrelevant, they are benchmarks, just like in previous generations.
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Leyasu
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They are not though. No matter how much people want to pretend otherwise.
I would say that I am shocked after hearing for months how cross gen games were bad, and that would hold everything back, that they have become benchmarks. But I would be lying if I did. They are now a potent weapon used by fanboys on all sides in the console wars.
Previous gens or not (fanboys have been around for a long time), are you really trying to say that these games or first wave software will compare with what is coming on either system?
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Bragr
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Combat is a mess, the enemies have a tendency to rush you in awkward silly ways, it works when fighting the human enemies, but fighting the animals are almost always absurd.
Gudji
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You don't get to change what a benchmark is. FIFA, ACV, Dirt 5, Destiny 2, CoD black ops, etc are native versions and benchmarks.
DF/NXGamer/VGTech and the rest are all comparing these games for reason, if they were 100% equal to the previous console versions it would be irrelevant to make comparisons, that isn't the case at all.
Also:
1) You're really confused about what people meant by "cross gen games are going to hold everything back";
2) I never said the games coming in 2 or 3 years will compare with current games. I said the performance delta will be identical even when graphics improve because that's what current benchmarks show;
3) Check what the native word means, it might help to understand what I'm saying.
Leyasu
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I'm not changing what benchmarks are, and the games you just mentioned are not really native versions though are they. They still have current gen SKUs, and when production started, the studios I would bet didn't even have a date for when they would receive their next gen dev kits. The sites you mentioned are making content for their channels and viewers based on what is at hand. What do you think that they are going to say/do? "Hold tight people, we are going into hibernation until holiday 2021. When we will see the fruits of the first real next gen games". That is not going to happen.
I'm not confused at all by cross gen games or by what people meant. perhaps the delta might be even greater in the PS5s favor once the last gen consoles are dropped. It will be interesting to see. The console versions of the new battlefield should be the one that people are wanting for. DICE have already confirmed that this is next gen only.... A real "native" version. I don't really know of any other 3rd party games confirmed to be next gen only at the moment to add unfortunately.
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MasterCornholio
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Just because a game is Native doesn't mean a developer is taking full advantage of a systems hardware. Like if a developer makes a next gen game they can choose not to use VRS or the geometry engine. The game is still a native game to those platforms. BC on the other hand is different.
It's why you really can't compare a cross gen title to BC.
Leyasu
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Yes I agree. Using some features or not, these games are not pushing the new consoles though.
Perhaps I should have worded my posts better.
Night.Ninja
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The only dissapointing thing about this whole situation in my opinion is vgtech and nxgamer put a lot of work into their videos and people only want to post them if they help with the narrative they are trying to push. Normally certain posters can't wait to post their videos have suddenly goneghost 
Where as DF can get 100k views for sloppy data and comments. Need to help support theses smaller guys too even if you don't agree.
Where as DF can get 100k views for sloppy data and comments. Need to help support theses smaller guys too even if you don't agree.
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MasterCornholio
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That's ok though alot of times we don't know if a game is running through BC or has an actual Native version for these systems. But it's true that the games are not taking full advantage of these systems because they still have to work on last gen systems. Until developers abandon the older platforms it could be some time before we see what these systems are really going to do. I'm still not expecting massive differences between the two platforms though even with full next gen games.
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Gudji
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They are native games, running and taking advantage of PS5 and XSX hardware. Yes, they are crossgen games, yes they are native versions.
They're making content for their channels and viewers with benchmarks of native versions...
There is no such thing as a "real native version". There are crossgen games and current gen games, PS5 has both already. Like I said you're really confused about some concepts.
Have a good day.
Chris_Rivera
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It’s not good on XsX either. Respawning is annoying.
Bogroll
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Clearly you haven't been in many of these threads. Fps matters to some even if its 7 dropped frames over 10 mins. Then the usual suspects come in and claim victory and say fps matters. So going of that its clearly.
Calverz
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Its like half the time on xsx and xss.
The Hamburglar
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I was expecting a dark souls Jedi game. And instead got uncharted 5000 drakes awakening.
the platforming is relentless and boring.
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Night.Ninja
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It still feels like it takes ages
Leyasu
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The only thing confusing is the changing narrative to fit what ever scenario is needed.
Gudji
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There is no narrative change here, only facts and explanations which you seem to have no interest in learning. It's like talking to a wall of bricks.
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sunnysideup
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This game is best on next gen console right now? Its only place where its rock solid 60fps right?
Its so weird. I have 48 gb of ram on pc. Yet i get loading stutters every 40 m in the game. Why cant i just load the entire level into ram. Or atleast divide it up into two loads or something.
Its so weird. I have 48 gb of ram on pc. Yet i get loading stutters every 40 m in the game. Why cant i just load the entire level into ram. Or atleast divide it up into two loads or something.
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it seems rock solid to me on XSX, it was unplayable to me on the X1X now it’s a great game
Tchu-Espresso
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The stats show they are extremely close but the XSX drops to a low as 1008p (what’s up with that?)
I’d say there is nothing clear about it. It’s a poor reflection of both systems.
The Hamburglar
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It’s a last gen game that got an update - nobody gives a fuck about last gen comparisons without a native version. Means nothing.
JetSetJustin
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Have had this game for a while but never really gave it a chance. I found it boring, although I only played an hour or two. Does it become more enjoyable?