SkylineRKR
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They can bump it up to native 4k if thats even possible on PS5. But it won't make much of a difference. They can add RT and lower it to 1440p or even 1080p or something, trying to hold 60fps. But really, I doubt its all worth it.
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What are the chances for PS5 remastered Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us2, God of War?
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They can bump it up to native 4k if thats even possible on PS5. But it won't make much of a difference. They can add RT and lower it to 1440p or even 1080p or something, trying to hold 60fps. But really, I doubt its all worth it.
Panajev2001a
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There is a lot of work to get a 4K@60 FPS game like GoT or God of War to noticeably look better: you can increase the LOD/draw distance of objects but you would run out of low hanging fruits quickly.
With that said, good DualSense usage and said draw distance improvements could be nice to see
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
God of War and Ghost of Tsushima are already 4K* 60 FPS. Remastered versions at this stage wouldn't offer much.
If TLOU2 could also get a 60 FPS patch, that'd also be good enough for most people. But if it doesn't get a 60FPS patch as a free upgrade, I could see a remastered version bundled with the multiplayer game. Ray-tracing and/or 4K at 60 FPS, higher-res textures, and DualSense and 3D audio implementation would be so worth it -- especially if we get a ~$20 upgrade path.
If TLOU2 could also get a 60 FPS patch, that'd also be good enough for most people. But if it doesn't get a 60FPS patch as a free upgrade, I could see a remastered version bundled with the multiplayer game. Ray-tracing and/or 4K at 60 FPS, higher-res textures, and DualSense and 3D audio implementation would be so worth it -- especially if we get a ~$20 upgrade path.
Pedro Motta
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Yeah, but those guys that replied to me say I'm wrong so....PC ports are remasters now..LOL
VFXVeteran
Banned
Sure it can be better. Larger size textures (the last gen ones are pretty low), better anisotropic filtering (i.e. like HZD on PC), a much better AO algorithm than the typical SSAO, and perhaps better shaders.
VFXVeteran
Banned
If these ps4 games are coming to PC, then yea, there is more that they can do other than res/FPS. The PS5/PC upgrades will probably incorporate better rendering features and higher res textures - which will make a significant difference depending on how high res they want to go. The lighting won't change but you can add another level of fidelity around the lighting.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Remastered TLOU2?? Other than a simple bump to 4k/60 that game looked insane on my Pro, I really don't see how they could remaster it any better, it was just sublime looking and photorealistic in places... Game was one of the best looking videogames I've ever played
VFXVeteran
Banned
We discussed this.
Remaster = HZD on PC example - better LODs, small gameplay changes like interaction with foliage, better AO, better filtering of textures, etc..
Excerpt for Days Gone on PC - "PC features include ultra-wide monitor support, unlocked framerates and improved graphics (increased level of details, field of view, foliage draw distances)."
Remake = Resident Evil style remakes where you change the entire look with new assets, lighting, etc.. Demon Souls was a remake too.
nowhat
Member
The thing is though, you weren't able to play those games on PS4 even if you had the PS3 version. So a remaster makes sense (and in case of the first Uncharted, a face lift was very much welcome). But now, something like GoT
- it's 60fps and that's pretty much all I wanted, I really don't see a need for a full remaster.
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EDMIX
Member
Ok....that has nothing to do with Sony as a business.
That has nothing to do with Sony as a business...... like, zero...
You saw ports and remasters happen on systems with full BC, it happens because the publisher is not porting based on your inability to play it, they are porting it to make money....... thats it.
As in, PS3 had full BC to PS1, you still saw ports to many, many PS1 titles, why? Well think about it slowly, why the fuck would Square, Capcom, Sony etc care that you CAN play your original PS1 copy?
Ok.....and? What on Earth would that have to do with them making a port to make money? Thus, you still saw ports, even with PS3 being BC to PS1, because that has nothing to do with a publishers choice to actually make a remaster, port etc. So its ok if you don't need it, its ok if you don't personally see the need in it etc, its irrelevant to a company. I don't see the need for many products, yet they exist......
So you may not see the need for it, that doesn't mean it won't happen or that all the past remasters, ports etc where done only by this need to have the game playable and ONLY ports happened with no BC or something,.
Now look at this and think about how much that really, really has to do with why a publisher actually ports something.
Is PS5 not backwards compatible? You saw this day 1, why would you not see more? This directly contradicts this idea that Sony or any publisher is ONLY doing a port or remaster based on the lack of BC solely or something. They do it for money, thats it.
VFXVeteran
I'd have to agree with Pedro on this one. PC ports can be remasters, not all PC ports are remasters....so statements like "PC ports are remasters" is basically incorrect by default, it can never be something like "PC ports are remasters." as that is a case by case thing. Not all publishers spend the extra money to even give all those fancy PC extras when they port, that isn't a automatic thing, its not a thing that happens 100% of the time to ever make it seem as if they are all remasters when they are ported to PC. Can a developer not simply do a shit port, no improvements and no extra features? We've seen some horror shows in the past with lazy porting that shows its not the rule or a default thing. So PC ports CAN be remasters and the ones you stated I'd say easily fall in that area....but that isn't going to be all ports on PC. So I feel PC ports should only be considered a "remaster" when clearly enough changes are made. I agree when you say " there is more that they can do other than res/FPS", key word "can do", that doesn't mean thats what they will do everytime.
So I'd say the term remaster should be used no different then when we hear a game is ported from 1 system to another....how much is changed for us to call it a remaster? Shit we saw some "remasters" last gen on PS4 and XONE so bad, it looked as if they may have been worse looking then the original, just cause they had better hardware and could do more on PS4 and XONE, didn't mean the did.
I see it as case by case.
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gooner4life_uk
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Sure there is always improvements to be made, but it would be for a negligible return because the last gen game looks so good, especially at 60fps the IQ is phenomenal, i just don't see where the cost associated with a remaster makes sense as it would be a really hard sell.
Shmunter
Member
Helps justifying new price for games that now cost a cup of coffee on psn or even free
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
TLOU1, Uncharted, GOW etc were all PS3 games and not compatible with PS4. PS4 games run just fine on PS5.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Lol didn't they only just get released?
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
I know it’s a new generation but PS5 players are hungry sharks and more than likely will buy those games. New games will come in time.
EDMIX
Member
Ghost Of Tsushima, The Last Of Us 2 and God Of War 2018 were all PS4 games.....
You are just arguing the same thing, different generation. Shit, I thought God Of War 3, The Last Of Us 1, GTAV etc looked amazing on PS3, that didn't mean you wouldn't not see remasters, huge improvements etc So they run just fine, that has nothing to do with a remaster coming or not though. If you need more evidence look at the remasters that literally came to XONE, it didn't mean jack shit that it was BC, what on earth does that have to do with Take Two? Capcom? Square? They don't care. Oh it has BC? Thats nice....ok so when are we rolling out the Bioshock remasters? That is how they see those things as their job is to make money, not ONLY port if you have NO other way of playing the game. Too many examples show this isn't the main goal of a remaster as if it would never exist if BC existed on PS4 or something.
Sir...it exist on XONE and you still saw ports and remasters, shit even from MS THEMSELVES. I don't see enough to really argue that a remaster or port won't happen simply based on the ability for the game to be played. We even see remasters, enhancements, specials editions, GOTY versions, definitive editions etc on PC....
Oh but you can mod so no need fo- "thats nice, here is a remaster"
ok, but you just patch for those enha- "thats nice, we will patch it.....here is a remaster"
Ok, but I can play the game just fine, no nee- "don't buy it then, here is a remaster"
I don't think you understand the existence of a remaster has nothing to do with YOU needing it or not. Someone is buying it, thus a market exist for it, thus it will be made for the moneys. Thats it. The sooner people understand this, the less you'd even see of such strange comments. Its as if some of you think a remaster is some gesture of good will to apologize for the lack of BC or something. Its a thing they do to make money, thats the most fair thing to say about this as I simply see no evidence anyone is really making theses to fill some gap, void, be nice etc. Shit, if this was even a thing REALLY done because of BC, you'd see many companies cancel their XONE versions as XONE is BC, you'd see them give FREE versions on ALL platforms that own the game on the past versions or something and not simply those rare occurrences on PC. Them even existing on a platform like PC goes to show you its not existing based on the lack of BC, it exist to make money.
So I agree with you that PS4 games run JUST fine on PS5, but for fuck sakes, 360 games ran amazing on XONE, that did not magically make publishers just stop putting out remasters on XONE.... that never happened, PS3 being BC to PS1 NEVER stopped all those ports you saw on PSN. Its simply irrelevant to the publisher that YOU can play the older version.....thats nice, their job is to make money, thus they will make a port. Think first of what the company actually wants to better understand if such things will happen, do not simply think about if you want or need one as that is just irrelevant to some business. I likely won't buy Call Of Duty this year, that doesn't mean it won't exist. I don't need it, I'm enjoying COD4 just fine....that doesn't mean another Call Of Duty won't exist....
Imagine you are saying how fine they run on PS5, so does Spiderman and you are still getting this...
Doesn't really matter.
The Last Of Us 1 released in 2013 on PS3, ported to PS4 in 2014.
GTAV released in 2013 on PS3, ported to PS4 and XONE in 2014.
(damn 2013 was a good ass year lol)
The Last Of Us 2 getting some remaster this year or Ghost getting some remaster this year isn't some shocking or rare thing.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
You missed the point. It's not about how good they looked. PS3 games do not run on PS4. At all. PS4 games do run on PS5...natively I might add.
It makes precisely 0 sense to remaster a title for a platform when it already runs natively on that platform.
EDMIX
Member
Read the post entirely.....
"0 sense to remaster"? For whom? Running natively doesn't mean its using all of the systems features and doesn't mean you won't see a remaster. Actually read the post man...
Yet you are saying I "missed the point"?
This PS4 game runs on PS5.
This still exist. So much for you "0 sense" cause that game literally was remastered even though another version from PS4, can play on PS5.
Yet...clearly a remaster exist. It doesn't need to make sense for you for it to exist, simply needs to make sense for the company putting it out.
Read...
Shmunter
Member
Yeah, but this rerelease was pretty much a grift from my perspective. Unlocking the original to 60 would have sufficed.Read the post entirely.....
"0 sense to remaster"? For whom? Running natively doesn't mean its using all of the systems features and doesn't mean you won't see a remaster. Actually read the post man...
Yet you are saying I "missed the point"?
This PS4 game runs on PS5.
This still exist. So much for you "0 sense" cause that game literally was remastered even though another version from PS4, can play on PS5.
Yet...clearly a remaster exist. It doesn't need to make sense for you for it to exist, simply needs to make sense for the company putting it out.
Read...
With one caveat, they did implement RT in the 60fps mode eventually giving it a point of difference. Initially the 60fps mode wasn’t much more than BC boosted.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
This. Should've been a free update. Only an idiot would buy a game they already own again for a platform their old copy already runs on flawlessly. It's why remasters on PC are almost always free, they just won't sell well.
Trainsmove
Banned
Why do you buy remastered games? Do you like to give your money away?
VFXVeteran
Banned
The remaster won't cost much at all to implement since their graphics engine more than likely already has graphics features that can't run on last gen hardware (like 16x anisotropic filtering).
I've never said a game is "so good" improvements aren't necessary. Ever. We are still so far away from rivaling film companies in gameplay, there is always room for dramatic improvements.
EDMIX
Member
I mean sure, I don't disagree with you, call it what you want but lots of that is irrelevant to any company looking to make money.
Crazy right? So....what you think it "should've been" is not what happened? Sooooo....are you not able to understand how that might apply to The Last Of Us 2, God Of War, Ghost Of Tsushima? ..
? What someone does with their money is their business and you don't know all the people who buy remasters (i don't even know why that would matter to you), for all you know many of the people who got Spiderman on PS5, never owned a PS4 or a copy of Spiderman even if they owned a PS4.
PS4 sold over 100 million units,
Spiderman did not sell 100 million units.......so its within reason someone owns a PS4, but not Spiderman, got a PS5 and wants to play a better version of it as they may have never owned Spiderman prior...
Old copy doesn't have all the features the new copy has..... so runs great sure, without flaws? Better then the remaster? nah bud. Factually that is a massive no.
Yea thats an even more massive lie. Skyrim and Bioshock collection are some of the few times I've seen a remaster given for free on PC, that isn't a "almost always free" thing even remotely.
THANK YOU! I never get this whole "it runs fine" as if zero improvements can happen and no remaster will ever happen etc. Its an argument that has just never made sense to me. It basically ignores reality as if we will not have better frames, resolution, different features etc. Shit I thought GTAV on PS3 looked amazing, having better frames, resolution etc was not a fucking "hard sell" as the shit went on to break every major record in existence. I think people are just stuck in this "it looks good now" area and are simply not able to understand that improvements can happen and anyone looking to buy the game for the first time isn't going to want several steps back.
They will want the latest and greatest version, with RT and all the fancy features.
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
They might just skip the patch and release an actual remaster like they did with the first game when PS4 come out.
So I am thinking they will release this remaster with additional content so they can get away with charging $69.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Someone's triggered.
EDMIX
Member
Your the only one that sounds triggered here, its why you are not even reading the post. Too much of it contradicts many of the things you brought up , its why you are now going off topic. =)
VFXVeteran
Banned
Remaster of TLoU will come to PS5/PC first according to my inside info. We'll see what ND does.
EDMIX
Member
Facts. Considering Sony's love for remastering, remakes etc and The Last Of Us breaking so many records, I would be shocked if we didn't get The Last Of Us 1 remake in The Last Of Us 2 engine on PC/PS5. They already have the assets, models for it. Seems inevitable.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Nah, you're definitely triggered. You can always tell. It's really obvious when someone decides to break it down into individual quotes like that.
EDMIX
Member
You mean actually discussing the topic and posting relevant facts?
So I don't know what to tell you man, I'm not suppose to quote you and reply and give examples and facts or something?
Spiderman exist on PS4, I"m sure it runs fine but a remaster on PS5 still happened. Making a bunch of personal post or saying people are triggered or idiots etc won't actually help your point, it just tries to go off topic hoping that a personal attack moves away from your points being directly contradicted.
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LaughingStock
Member
Remasters are unnecessary. Just release a 60 fps patch. That's enough.
GoT, GoW, Days Gone, are already "remastered" on PS5.
GoT, GoW, Days Gone, are already "remastered" on PS5.
PPIMystaceus
Member
Maybe TLOU2, but GoW and GoT just recently got PS5 enhanced patches. There's less incentive for people to buy remasters of those.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
TLOU2 pushed the PS4 Pro pretty hard even though performance was rock solid at 1440p30.
PS5 would easily run at 60fps with a patch but I wonder how much they could pump the resolution and other effects of given the remaster treatment.
PS5 would easily run at 60fps with a patch but I wonder how much they could pump the resolution and other effects of given the remaster treatment.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Sorry but unless you're creating new assets... you're still recycling the original codebase with a few tweaks so regardless of how its marketed its still just a port!
Its funny, given how large and extensive patches can be these days (and Days Gone had many of them!) you really have to question how thin the line is between an upgrade patch and a "remaster".
VFXVeteran
Banned
It's never been debated on whether it's a port or not. I don't think that was the discussion. I think we were trying to delineate what the difference between Remaster and Remake are.
And I disagree on the definition of a port. A port to me is just a straight conversion with no change at all to the code. That's not what HZD is as the code used to make those enhanced features required added code that wasn't there when they made the game UNLESS they knew they were going to port to the PC (which I seriously doubt).
EDMIX
Member
Agreed. I've always seen it as a transfer of the same game, different hardware, very little if any changes.
Shmunter
Member
So Titanfall going from Xbox One to 360 was a remaster?
Shmunter
Member
Beginning to feel that way. A 30fps RT patch or 60fps last gen gfx. Of course most will play at 60 and gain nothing they wouldn’t with a bc boost.
Hope I’m totally wrong.
EDMIX
Member
Huh? come on man, don't split hairs. I think its clear VFX means when its something transferred over to a more powerful system, not simply a different version of a multiplatform game.
Like Call Of Duty Cold War has several versions, but we don't call em "remasters", unless its actually MW2 being ported YEARS later from PS3-360 to PS4-XONE etc. Like that game The Crew, Titanfall was simply a game with many versions, even the one you are talking about to my understanding came out around the same time. So i don't know if I'd go as far as to say a multiplatform game that released on many systems at launch, to saying one of the versions is a "remaster".
I don't remember anyone really calling a next gen or PC version of a cross platform game that released on many systems "remaster". Like thats not what we are calling AC Valhalla or Watchdogs 3. Looks better on PC? Sure. Runs better? Sure...released after the fact to have enhancements? I don't now if I'd go that far, but shit maybe I'm the one splitting hairs lol I simply never seen the term used to just describe a multiplatform game that came out on many systems to describe 1 of the versions that is more powerful. Like we didn't call Watchdogs 1 on PS4 and XONE the "remaster" of Watchdogs on PS3, 360 or something.
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