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[Panajev2001a]

Would also rely on the handheld having a good cpu/ram to make the most of the dock upgrade. I like the idea but in reality were probably just going to get a Switch with a 2018 spec chipset instead of a 2014 one.... after watching the Matrix, while waiting for the sequels I read loads of awesome fan theories and everyone turned out to be so much better than the shitty sequels.

Eh... I actually liked the sequel, watched them all several times (Animatrix included) as well as with the Philosophers’ documentary (props to the production including also the less positive film critics commentary track). They do give a fuller and a bit less good vs evil story context hehe.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I held off buying a Switch until 2 years after launch because I thought that the price would drop. Bless you for holding out this long.

I sold my launch Switch two years ago after hearing rumors of a "Pro" model.

Hoping it will enhance the current library.

BOTW is already gorgeous at 900p.

 

[Ceadeus]

Nice! I can't wait for next Holiday to get pissed off against scalpers

 

[Mithos]

Switch is a 700GFLOPS on desktop mode, and almost half on portable mode. No way they get 2-3TFLOPS

Switch is nowhere near 700Gflops.

Tegra X1 @ 1ghz is 512Gflops (fp32)

According to Eurogamers Mhz numbers for the GPU, 786Mhz docked, and 307.2Mhz portable, give us about ~393Gflops (fp32) docked, and ~157Gflops portable (fp32)
Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-switch-spec-analysis

Calculating the numbers;

2 x Shader Count x Frequency / 1000;
Becomes: 2 x 256 CUDA cores x 768Mhz or 307.2Mhz / 1000

Docked (768.0Mhz): 393Gflops (fp32)
Portable (307.2Mhz): 157Gflops (fp32)

Yes, there are some extra portable modes running higher mhz too, but these two modes were the two initial modes.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Extreme doubt that we will go from switch power to PS4 pro power.

 

[MilkyJoe]

• The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.

No chance

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

At 720p

And for the rest... thanks, i had a good laugh. It made my day.

I mean, in par with ps4 pro and xbox 1X while it would be expected to be the very less for a new hardware (it's not that great i mean), i don't see it happening for Nintendo like in 15 or 20 years, even with NVidia getting ARM. Nintendo means retarded since FC and the 1st GB.

Anyway, since WiiU i'm so done with them. They can come with wathever, i won't care. The last time i had fun with Nintendo was with Wii Sports, Mario Galaxy, Kirby Wii, Mario Kart 7 and 8 and the N64 3d ports.

Edit: it will be passive cooling right?

 

[martino]

• The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.

i read that in term of gap with base systems.
They are expecting x3-4 time the power so ~ 1-1.3 tflops docked.

 

[Reality Czar]

Think a PS5 was hard to get? Finding one of these will be nearly impossible.

 

[Papacheeks]

Source (requires terminal): https://blinks.bloomberg.com/news/stories/QQ3195T1UM16

Redditor has kindly provided a TL-DR

• They reiterate a holiday launch in 2021
• Hardware sales will either remain flat or grow slightly due to revision.
• Higher expectations are placed on the Switch Pro (that's what it's referred to in the article) than the PS4 PRO which sold 2M launch window.
• Launch quarter (Sep-Dec) could reach up to 12M units sold.
• According to the hardware forecast they speculate that the MSRP could be higher for the revision upwards of 20%
• Zelda is a strong launch game candidate with several round out titles to accompany it.
• The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.

The thing about the PS4PRO is it was not a replacement for PS4. They still had 2 sku's. In the case of switch the nvidia chip currently is super old, and they are running into issues with making games run on it. So a newer chipset is needed. I highly doubt they are going to have 2 sku's. Switch pro is replacing current switch. CUrrent switch will clean out remaining stock mostly this year and maybe into next. But Switch pro is going to be primary unit going forward.

Not the same scenario.

 

[Xyphie]

Don't expect much more than 768-1024 shader cores (3-4x increase over Tegra X1, ~1.5-2.5Tflops depending on config/clocks). That would put it on par with Apple A14/M1 on 5nm which is currently the leader on mobile graphics.

 

[KungFucius]

I don't believe that's possible though. The XSS is 4tf and look at its size. Nintendo can probably squeeze 1.5-2tf in a 7 inch portable.

I'm not sure I'll go with the dock having extra sauce either. We speculated that before the Switch's launch and it never happened.

No. The XSS has the sameish CPU as the XSX and requires comparable but scaled cooling. It just has less GPU on its APU. Also there was no need to make the XSS portable. The Switch 2 or whatever would likely still be Tegra based. I do not know what the state of the art is there, but it can't be inferred by looking at the XSS.

Anyway if this thing is real and not a next gen Switch, what is its purpose? Get some new people to buy it and then obsolete it in 2 years with a proper next gen switch? Aren't we close enough to a next gen Switch anyway? The platform is 4 years old. They should be thinking of launching a full platform upgrade next year after some big Switch holiday titles get pulled out of their asses, not adding some confusing half-upgrade.

 

[Arkam]

Based on the specs of the Quest 2 (ardreno 650) I could see a Switch Pro being comparable to a base PS4 easily. But an X1X? I doubt that. Really do hope it’s based on a NEW chip from nvidia and packs in all their recent tech.

 

[Jadsey]

I will definitely jump in if they enhance older games to 4K.

 

[ZywyPL]

The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.

Good luck. Getting to OG XB1 level would already mean a 3x increase, which is a lot nowadays, even more so in a mobile device where power draw/battery life is one of the top priorities. I think if there will really be a Pro Model, it'll strongly depend on the rumored DLSS support, rather than raw TF numbers, like, they will double the performance at best, to get an extra power to improve the visuals, maybe even the games will render in lower resolutions than they already are on Switch to get even more performance to play around the graphics, like 540p, and then the res will be upped by DLSS. Bare in mind Nintendo as oppose to Sony/MS sells their hardware with quite a profit from day one, so they won't go all-in into the latest, most expensive tech and sell it at a loss or just a few dollar profit.

 

[Thirty7ven]

They just need enough for native 1080p and a 1080p OLED panel. Most people don’t seem to understand the jump that alone will offer.

 

[Reality Czar]

Lol people jumping to conclusions expecting PS4 Pro on PORTABLE?

I'm there for the 4k dock. Instantly would probably play through the entire library just to experience it again.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Nintendo is trying to milk the Switch 101 leadership and its great there’s multiple versions of the same console I just hope we get a true next gen traditional console from the big N in 2022.

 

[Mithos]

So many people interpreting what's said/written to be: Switch Pro will be 4-6Tflops...

Instead of Switch Pro will have/get the same/similar improvement that PS4/XB1 got with their Pro/X models.
In Switch Pro's case that would/could be 900-1800Gflops. (a 2.28 (PS4 to PS4 Pro) - 4.58 (XB1 to XBX) times improvement)

 

[Wunray]

I think they meant the relative performance jump will be inline with ps4 to ps4 pro. I expect base xbox one performance.

 

[The_Mighty_X]

How many Game Cubes duck-taped together is this thing? 10?

 

[Entroyp]

Is Nintendo finding chips that are on par with a PS4 Pro on One X on Nvidias back alley dumpster? That doesn’t sound plausible.

 

[Diddy X]

'Super Switch' sounds good.

I'm eager to finally play BOTW, Mario Odyssey, etc. Now with a decent resolution and framerate, just hoping they do it right.

 

[DaGwaphics]

A 4/5 teraflops Super Switch capable of running next gen games at 1080 (upscaled) would be another home run for Nintendo.

Looking at the power draw on the XSS, I don't think battery life or size is going to be good. Unless there is a massive difference between docked and undocked performance.

 

[Topher]

Rumor is that the battery will be external.

Leaked image:

 

[Strider Highwind]

I just don't believe it lol

 

[VAVA Mk2]

I will buy a Switch Pro if they give me a damn Metroid game. I bet I say the same thing 5 years from now about its successor.

 

[AJUMP23]

• The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.

I'm skeptical, Just because that seems like a lot to put into a portable at this point. The main thing I want fixed is joy con issues. There are a lot of connectivity issues with mine.

 

[WhatWeLeftBehind]

People here are going to eat a lot of crow regarding the power of this device.

Two words: Orin, Ampére

On another note: fucking LOL to anyone expecting a succesor to launch in 2022/2023. Top brass have been VERY explicit in wanting to step away from their usual 4-6 year hardware lifecycle towards a 7-10 year lifecycle. This 'Pro' upgrade will only help them with that.

 

[GamesAreFun]

I wonder how it'll be priced. If I buy a Switch today it costs £279.99, exactly the same as the launch price. Switch Pro to cost £400?

 

[SNG32]

The thing about the PS4PRO is it was not a replacement for PS4. They still had 2 sku's. In the case of switch the nvidia chip currently is super old, and they are running into issues with making games run on it. So a newer chipset is needed. I highly doubt they are going to have 2 sku's. Switch pro is replacing current switch. CUrrent switch will clean out remaining stock mostly this year and maybe into next. But Switch pro is going to be primary unit going forward.

Not the same scenario.

They will still have 2 skus since this is only a revision of Switch 1. I don't think they will cannibalize there software sales with the current switch userbase like that if this is not a next gen console for Nintendo.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

GPDWIN 3 GPU is up to 2TF (if we consider the max nominal gpu clock), 1/3 the power of a XONEX, and it cost 849$.

Good luck with a Switch Pro powerful as a PS4 Pro or XOX at 399$.

But that’s a miniaturized laptop.

Switch is essentially a tablet - Nintendo can benefit from economies of scale that GPD can’t touch by piggybacking off the tablet/phone industry.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

They just need enough for native 1080p and a 1080p OLED panel. Most people don’t seem to understand the jump that alone will offer.

It doesn’t need a 1080p display. 720p is fine for the size on a dedicated handheld gaming device.

Would cause issues requiring different profiles due to older Switches, and wouldn’t be worth the power draw in handheld. Keep the 720p and just move to OLED.

 

[Imtjnotu]

But will it look like shit on a 4k TV

 

[lestar]

Just a reminder, Tegra X1 was 1Tf (512Gf FP32 1Ghz Max) in 2015 with 256 maxwell cores

in 2016 TX2 was release with 750Gf FP32

in 2018 Jetson AGX Xavier with 1.4Tf FP32 64 Tensor Cores, but was 899USD, too expensive for nintendo tastes

NVIDIA Jetson AGX Xavier 16 GB Specs

NVIDIA GV10B, 1377 MHz, 512 Cores, 32 TMUs, 16 ROPs, 16384 MB LPDDR4X, 2133 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

And last year Jetson Xavier NX was release with 1Tf FP32 64 Tensor cores 384 volta cores at 399USD, this is basically a cheaper Jetson AGX and interesdly it has NX in the name, which is the Nintendo Switch code name.

NVIDIA Jetson Xavier NX 8 GB Specs

NVIDIA GV10B, 1100 MHz, 384 Cores, 24 TMUs, 16 ROPs, 8192 MB LPDDR4X, 1866 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

This thing is 12nm @ 854ghz base (Switch TX1 is heavily underclocked in portable mode @384-460ghz with 20nm), so it would be easily at Xbox One levels in portable mode at stock clocks in 720p, even PS4 levels with DLSS. In dock mode this chipset can be clock at 1377Ghz max put in it at PS4 Pro levels with DLSS

 

[Adam_802]

I doubt it'll be as powerful as a One X, but that would be cool.

 

[justiceiro]

I find hard to believe nvidia developed another tetra chip just because of Nintendo.

 

[ButchCat]

Can't wait to buy Mario Kart 8.5 Deluxe Enhanced Pro edition at £70 for the third time, right guys?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Is this possible in a portable format (for a reasonable price)?

Considering Tegra was already « old » when Nintendo picked it for Switch, god knows what Nvidia could deliver in a brand new 2021 chip. I think DLSS in-bricked in NVAPI is also a given for those claims. Probably not a match in pure teraflops, but « close enough » with AI help.

I mean look at this, fucking witchcraft.

 

[yazenov]

Anyone expecting the Switch pro to be a huge leap from the regular Switch will be disappointed. It's gonna be a minor refresh with better battery life and 1080p screen resolution and slightly overclocked speed. 1080p , 60 fps in docked mode.

Nintendo will be price sensitive as usual with their consoles so expect it to be underpowered and cheap.

 

[UnNamed]

Just a reminder, Tegra X1 was 1Tf (512Gf FP32 1Ghz Max) in 2015 with 256 maxwell cores

1TF FP16, see picture.

The problem with Switch was never the GPU, which was relatively powerful at the time, but it's state-of-the-crap CPU, basic, underclocked, not enough powerful. Many games shows you can have a boost in resolution and performance on Switch by a little overclock at 1.2ghz, let alone 1-7ghz.

 

[UnNamed]

I'm not an engineer, but in this image you can see almost half of the core is taken by the tensor core. For me it's a waste of silicon in an mobile GPU, that's why I think it will be hard to see DLSS on Switch, at least in the next few years. The only solution would be an external GPU on the dock, but it is just too expensive. A dock with DLSS only is not feasible.

EDIT: I wonder if it is possibile to do a less efficient DLSS but reasonably good for a machine like Switch without using the tensor cores.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Source (requires terminal): https://blinks.bloomberg.com/news/stories/QQ3195T1UM16

Redditor has kindly provided a TL-DR

• According to the hardware forecast they speculate that the MSRP could be higher for the revision upwards of 20%
• The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.

 

[Clarissa]

My friend says that the switch pro will make the ps5 obsolete.

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

There is no way the new switch can match the PS4 Pro specs. Unless Nintendo has a super dock in the works.

 

[01011001]

Wasn’t the Xbox One X 6tf up from the Xbox One’s 1.4tf or some shit? No chance the Switch XL or whatever this ends up being has even a 2x performance boost.

if the current Switch revision would run at its officially rated clocks it would already almost double the performance.
so explain how there is no chance of a 2X performance boost if they literally could do that with the current model via a patch?

the current Switch revision is severely underclocked compared to what the chip could actually do. they instead used the inoroved chip to nearly double the battery life

 

[Closer]

That's bullshit, but I believe it.

 

[Banjo64]

if the current Switch revision would run at its officially rated clocks it would already almost double the performance.
so explain how there is no chance of a 2X performance boost if they literally could do that with the current model via a patch?

Nintendo.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

Do we know how the Switch emulator runs on Mac M1?

You know the Apple computer to run with ARM (hi NVidia and Nintendo, hi Kids hi) with 15 hours of battery, passive cooling and a retina screen.