Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
For the people who can't read lips, she is saying "i'm here to reap your soul"
Sweet Jesus.
Baby Aloy never fails to terrify
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Never understood the concept of uncanny valley
- Thread starter Sander Cohen
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Sweet Jesus.
Baby Aloy never fails to terrify
TheMay30thMan
Member
As long as you’re aware that what you’re looking at isn’t real, your brain is going to focus on the parts that seem the most unrealistic, making it seem unsettling. I’m sure some games that are made a decade from now will have both photorealistic graphics and animation. It won’t matter though, because if we’re aware that the images we see aren’t real, it will always look...uncanny.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Beyond the valley was the point.
Other than her hair this is just a photoshoot for some artsy magazine.
StateofMajora
Banned
Everything about it looks like a game, I would never mistake that for reality
it looks really strange
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I call bullshit.
The skin shader and eyes look more realistic than 90% of Instagram.
Beyond the valley was the point.
Other than her hair this is just a photoshoot for some artsy magazine.
brian0057
Banned
It still looks fake.
To me, there's something... off about her eyes. I don't know how to explain it.
They look dead to me.
Maybe in motion the effect would go away but... it just feels off.
StateofMajora
Banned
I think you need your eyes checked mate.
Maybe post a real and fake pic without telling us and see if I can tell
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I said beyond the valley.
The uncanny valley and specifically mentioned animations being key so on the ucv chart we would be looking at the still line.
mortal
Gold Member
Guardian's Light
Member
I think the opposite, actually, I love old style games, minimalistic style games and I continue to crave them, they could continue to release them forever and I'll be happy
There's room for realistic games, for middle grounds, and for stylized / gamey titles too
Also, I find 2d or minimal style games way more relaxing, both for the eyes and for the mind, probably 'cause they use to remember me old gamer kid days a lot
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Allow me to enlighten you OP.
GymWolf
Member
mortal
Gold Member
Yea I've always found the character model for kid Aloy really...off.The art designer was probably a fan of willow the dwarf
She looks like she's suffering from a perpetual allergic reaction.
bargeparty
Member
I just can't imagine they tried that hard with the kid, it's not in the game for that long right? What's the point in putting a ton of time and money into it.
ParanoidAndroidz
Member
I dont have time to read the rest of the thread but for me one example would be the little girl in horizon zero dawn, the game looks realistic but theres something off with her hair or head.
ParanoidAndroidz
Member
Hmmm nevermind I must have been high before and didn't realize I read this thread, however I do stand by what I said as my original thought.
yes im slightly high lol
yes im slightly high lol
Keihart
Member
It's simple, it means that as you approach perfect photorealism there is a point called the valley because instead of making the characters look better they start to look weirder until you achieve perfection and becomes real. Why you ask? because as humans, a big part of our brains it's specialized with recognizing human faces and expressions so naturally we can perceive very small details as wrong and the closer to the real thing those details become more important because there is less room for interpretation.
Basically, if you can't make it perfect then fake it until it looks right. That's what ND does for example, instead of those creepy 1:1 attempts in things like COD or Quantic Dream games or Until Dawn (Although arguably, it somewhat works in Until Dawn since the actors are so bad and everything seems like a bad B movie)
mortal
Gold Member
It's a shame because the game has so many wonderful looking character models, so it really stood out for the wrong reasons.
Sander Cohen
Member
OMG, this so much. I always feel unnerved watching him but he’s real person so how do you explain that?
Also, there are many examples where devs didn’t do a good job with face animations but face itself looks perfect. That’s the hard part I presume but it will get better. CoD WW2 stuck in my mind as really impressive stuff, Modern Warfare too. This is all in cutscenes, of course.
JeloSWE
Member
Well, I'm an professional artist and a bit interested in the science behind beauty to give some context. My reasoning about this is that we have evolved to be highly sensitive to faces, we even have a special region in our brains that if damaged will cause face blindness (losing the ability to recognize faces) while still being able to see and recognize everything else such as a car or apple.
We get a lot of information from a face, it helps us communicate potential intentions, do they look angry, are they a threat, do the look kind, will they be my friendly etc. Besides the whole body it plays a very important part when selecting a healthy good looking mate. So faces are super important and we are extremely sensitive and good at picking up on if some one is sick, aging, has genetic problems eg down syndrome that could make it difficult to have healthy children and so on. So any deviation from the a normal healthy friendly face can trigger aversion, unease, disgust and fear. Thus an almost realistic looking face that has some of the problematic traits of an unhealthy or potentially dangerous person will look uncanny. And Zuckerberg sometimes under certain lighting conditions appear to have very hollow/dead looking eyes and he has very faint eyebrows making the the look even worse.
I'm not completely sure about this but I think it's possible to have a near realistic looking face but still not trigger the uncanny valley as long as the face doesn't exhibit any negative or unattractive traits. I imagine having some really skilled Square Enix artist making a near photoreal Aerith yet not looking uncanny at all some how?
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Quartermaster
Member
There's Michael Douglas. In Antman in 2015.
This is him in real life in 2015.
This is him from 1985:
And now here's Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy 2010:
Jeff Bridges in real life in 2010:
This is him from 1985:
Guess which one has no soul?
This is him in real life in 2015.
This is him from 1985:
And now here's Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy 2010:
Jeff Bridges in real life in 2010:
This is him from 1985:
Guess which one has no soul?
Sentenza
Member
Well, you are right. You never understood it.
The point isn’t that becoming more and more photorealistic is bad.
The point is that the closer you get to photorealistic the more imperfections stand out and there is a particular portion of the “curve” (described as a “valley”) were this effect is maximized.
But it’s a valley precisely because at some point you get past it and things start improving steadily once again.
It’s not like the more photorealistic you get the worst it becomes.
The point isn’t that becoming more and more photorealistic is bad.
The point is that the closer you get to photorealistic the more imperfections stand out and there is a particular portion of the “curve” (described as a “valley”) were this effect is maximized.
But it’s a valley precisely because at some point you get past it and things start improving steadily once again.
It’s not like the more photorealistic you get the worst it becomes.
LMJ
Member
The human body (face in particular) is very expressive, and due to this in animation capturing that can be a nightmare for many animators etc
Take LA Noire, the faces are phenomenal in the game (due to the face scanning hardware/software), but the rest is stiff and lifeless, your brain picks up on those things that are missing in reality that we take for granted...
A real life example is Justice League 2017, any time Caville's on screen it makes your brain itch
Due to the CG mustache coverup
Take LA Noire, the faces are phenomenal in the game (due to the face scanning hardware/software), but the rest is stiff and lifeless, your brain picks up on those things that are missing in reality that we take for granted...
A real life example is Justice League 2017, any time Caville's on screen it makes your brain itch
Due to the CG mustache coverup
GymWolf
Member
the one where they are old because they already sold their souls to hollywood!?
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Majukun
Member
i think it's mostly deriving by how much of our processing power ans software is on face recognition.
basically we are good at identifying and interpreting faces, and this collaterally makes us really good at identify if something looks wrong in it
the rest is just your brain telling you that something is wrong but they still don't know what, which is even more of a reason for yur brain to sound the alarms
that or in the past we won a war with shape-shifting aliens
kiphalfton
Member
It's creepy cuz she's ugly and looks like a man.
Now show me a life like Gal Gadot video game model and we'll see.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It’s just a dumb low hanging fruit people find to complain about that really doesn’t matter.
Just because tons of people have wasted life energy making stupid graphs, still doesn’t mean it’s worthwhile.
Like ludonarrative dissonance and “plot armour” who fucking cares enjoy what’s presented or do anything else, no need to dwell on worthless “issues”, they’re only issues because the person is obsessing on it.
It‘s an early days snowflake made up issue that really only impacts you if you dwell on dumb throwaway shit too long.
TL;DR: It’s bullshit below “champagne problems” it’s people making mouth noises thinking if they’re triggered by something they’ll get attention and micropity for.
Just because tons of people have wasted life energy making stupid graphs, still doesn’t mean it’s worthwhile.
Like ludonarrative dissonance and “plot armour” who fucking cares enjoy what’s presented or do anything else, no need to dwell on worthless “issues”, they’re only issues because the person is obsessing on it.
It‘s an early days snowflake made up issue that really only impacts you if you dwell on dumb throwaway shit too long.
TL;DR: It’s bullshit below “champagne problems” it’s people making mouth noises thinking if they’re triggered by something they’ll get attention and micropity for.
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nkarafo
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
It’s a conspiracy theory invented by weebs who were jealous of photorealistic western games.
... am I doing this right?
... am I doing this right?
Games of Today
Member
Still a great game though. The daughter Bella was even scarier.This is uncanny valley
It's also the stuff of nightmares.
We had a transgender politician here in italy for a while that looked suspiciously similar to this...emh, lady.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Video game characters sill animate and look like shit most of the time.
In static pictures, it can look great. Skin imperfections, scruff, scars etc.... Whomever does this texture art is doing a good job.
When it comes to animations, zombie eyes, dark grey teeth syndrome, and lip movements that are unnatural looking, they need to work on that.
LA Noire still have great animations. The textures are ultra last gen, bit at least the lip syncing looks great. And that game came out 10 years ago.
In static pictures, it can look great. Skin imperfections, scruff, scars etc.... Whomever does this texture art is doing a good job.
When it comes to animations, zombie eyes, dark grey teeth syndrome, and lip movements that are unnatural looking, they need to work on that.
LA Noire still have great animations. The textures are ultra last gen, bit at least the lip syncing looks great. And that game came out 10 years ago.
tassletine
Member
We all see things differently. The hair on that one should give you some clue as to how fake that looks to me.Weve already crossed the valley in terms of rendering so i have no real worries about it.
Animations just need to keep up, thats when things get weird.
Antman isn't done with the same technique as Tron. Bridges is done more traditionally, using CG animation, like a videogame.There's Michael Douglas. In Antman in 2015.
This is him in real life in 2015.
This is him from 1985:
And now here's Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy 2010:
Jeff Bridges in real life in 2010:
This is him from 1985:
Guess which one has no soul?
Douglas is the actual actor with photos and video of his younger self (and other actors) tracked on top.
Thought these were polaroid shots at first glance.
More here. https://80.lv/articles/stunning-photoreal-renders-in-blender-by-blitter/
More here. https://80.lv/articles/stunning-photoreal-renders-in-blender-by-blitter/
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GardenOfAbbylon
Member
I've seen lots of theorizing that the uncanny valley doesn't exist. And I tend to agree to be honest.
www.bbc.com
An example of thoughts
Robots: Is the uncanny valley real?
From androids to Pixar, the golden rule has been that lifelike creations cross a line from cute to creepy. Now experts are asking whether this is actually true.
www.bbc.com
An example of thoughts
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
This is uncanny valley
It's also the stuff of nightmares.
We had a transgender politician here in italy for a while that looked suspiciously similar to this...emh, lady.
Is that a man or a dude?
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Chucky's Bride
GymWolf
Member
impressive.Thought these were polaroid shots at first glance.
More here. https://80.lv/articles/stunning-photoreal-renders-in-blender-by-blitter/