Riky
$MSFT
You're so stupid, you claim nobody said there was a missing light source and call me a liar. I prove you wrong yet again by showing you the post and then at the end you go on to make the same claim
Which was debunked by DF.
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You're so stupid, you claim nobody said there was a missing light source and call me a liar. I prove you wrong yet again by showing you the post and then at the end you go on to make the same claim
Which was debunked by DF.
Mr Moose
Member
I like the stones in that part of the video more on the Series S version, those big ass stones on the Pro/One X/PS5/Series X look a bit shit.
You're so stupid, you claim nobody said there was a missing light source and call me a liar. I prove you wrong yet again by showing you the post and then at the end you go on to make the same claim
Which was debunked by DF.
The Birdssss!
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Riky
$MSFT
I've already told them this, I have the game so can actually see it myself but thanks for finding proof.
Another load of FUD that can be put to bed.
Mr Moose
Member
Like when you always show the bug of it dropping on the PS5
Riky
$MSFT
Like when you always show the bug of it dropping on the PS5
I said earlier it is a broken scaler.
abel empire
Banned
I said a missing light source isnt the cause of poor raytracing thats what u where lying about,You're so stupid, you claim nobody said there was a missing light source and call me a liar. I prove you wrong yet again by showing you the post and then at the end you go on to make the same claim
Which was debunked by DF.
And digital foundry didnt Debunk Anything Even more lies how do you debunk something that you can see for your own eyes. Go watch the video at 13:30 you can clearly see the difference in the raytracing. Saying digital foundry debunked that is lunatic.
Riky
$MSFT
I never mentioned anything about Ray tracing
why you lying? I said someone tries to claim there was missing light sources, you said nobody ever said that and I just showed you the post, proving you wrong again. DF debunked it by showing the light and that the scene is random each play, fact.Now your muzzle flash claim has been debunked as well
abel empire
Banned
You seem to pointlesslly throw emojis as if they make any point. All ur answers have been laughing emojis can u speak clear and proper like a man, the series x has poor raytracing and less muzzle flashes a missing light source/ emojis and the word "debunk" doesnt fix that, can you show me how they debunked poor raytracing and less muzzle flashes other than emojis.I never mentioned anything about Ray tracing
Now your muzzle flash claim has been debunked as well
Riky
$MSFT
You don't need to refresh memories, DF recently retested it with the Switch version and after patching they are now the same.
The difference between the platforms are not the graphics or the performance. The main difference is that Sony will produce some games in the future only for the ps5, whereas MS decided to extend the previous gen to the future with the series S. This is actually the biggest rival of SERIES X and not the PS5.
Riky
$MSFT
Someone has just posted the video with the muzzle flashes above, please stop embarrassing yourself.
Physiognomonics
Member
The muzzle light could be dynamic and be displayed only when the system has some headroom to spare. I am starting to be tired about the "bug" excuse each times the XSX display some kind of deficiency compared to PS5.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Riky
$MSFT
You really believe that? The framerate drops on both machines in that on rails section, the muzzle flash makes no difference. Keep grasping at straws. When you play the game it can be there for the entire play through of that section, I've played it.
abel empire
Banned
What! Did you even watch that video cause it clearly shows the series x has missing muzzle flashes. Its you whose embarassing yourself post after post.
Superayate
Member
That's clearly not the case, during the complete helicopter sequence, you have the muzzle light in a run, not the second one. Nothing to do with dynamic or headroom as it is exactly the same sequence, so speaking about deficiency in this case is dishonest when clearly it seems to really be a bug.
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Riky
$MSFT
Probably the part where they said so at about 3 minutes 10 seconds.
Riky
$MSFT
Mr Moose
Member
By Tom, who said the Series S version of Fifa is 4K.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
They manage to average around the same resolution.
Doesn't tell us anything about the lows and highs. DF getting lazy it seems. Also what's with all the "I think" and "maybes"?
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Superayate
Member
You clearly see the muzzle light in this video from VGtech which is missing in the same sequence from NXG or DF. That's why I'm saying that's a bug, because it's the same thing in the other sequence... I have seen that when I played the game...
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Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
I think we should rename the triggered emoji to the riky emoji
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Tbh that's already the Krisprolls emoji
Also people are so desperate that they can't acknowledge a simple bug. Sad!
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abel empire
Banned
You see what you are is just a clear thick denier even with video evidence you still stand with ur delusions, the video posted infact all the video comparisons online and infact everybody whose played cod on series consoles and whose seen the comparisons clearly saw missing muzzle flashes but for some reason in the universe you just deny it its like evidence and you are oil and water you cant mix so good luck, "steve wonder!"
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Riky
$MSFT
You see what you are is just a clear thick denier even with video evidence you still stand with ur delusions, the video posted infact all the video comparisons online and infact everybody whose played cod on series consoles and whose seen the comparisons clearly saw missing muzzle flashes but for some reason in the universe you just deny it its like evidence and you are oil and water you cant mix so good luck, "steve wonder!"
Which bit of the word "bug" don't you understand? Sometimes it is there and sometimes it isn't as the video posted shows.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
A bug is a bug, but after all the “12 > 10 is actually only underselling the gap” posturing and chest beating for a year or so to find ourselves discussing about systems in spitting distance of each other is perhaps the only true non cross generation next level entertainmentTbh that's already the Krisprolls emoji
Also people are so desperate that they can't acknowledge a simple bug. Sad!
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Dat PS5 AF tho, like if someone vomitted on the field.I like the stones in that part of the video more on the Series S version, those big ass stones on the Pro/One X/PS5/Series X look a bit shit.
The Birdssss!
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
It doesn't have to be. But if it's 99.9% of the time, that 0.1% becomes negligible.
We can indeed look at the performance of current games on PS5 versus XSX versus PC and gain some confidence in the fact that if any downclocking is occuring, it simply isn't meaningful to overall performance. In almost every game tested, the PS5 GPU outperforms a PC desktop GPU with similar TF numbers. Likewise, in most non-BC titles those 10TF on PS5 are delivering higher performance than the 12TF on XSX... so again, any downclocking on the PS5 GPU isn't appearing to be meaningful to real-world performance.
Of course, but then when the performance in real games consistently demonstrates the GPU is outperforming equivalent TF desktop GPUs and even the 12TF XSX GPU there becomes strong reason to simply believe that Mark Cerny wasn't lying or spouting optimistic marketing (and any historical precedent should tell you that Mark Cerny rarely does for that matter).
There's also the notion that the Road to PS5 talk was originally intended for devs. So there's very little reason to mislead devs with a statement like that. They are the ones who will be working with the hardware at the end of the day and will very quickly and very easily be able to call stuff like that out as BS if it was.
Normally, Technical Experts like Andrew Goosen on the Xbox side, and Mark Cerny on the PS side, speak plainly, concisely and factually. They aren't company PR people so aren't at all given to spouting marketing spiel. So it seems odd to want to dismiss their comments on the basis of "it could be marketing". These aren't the guys that do that.
If it was Spencer or Jim Ryan, then sure.
The CPU doesn't impact PS5's variable clocks. The clock frequency isn't varied on the basis of power; i.e. it's not measuring consumed power and adjusting frequency to keep within a threshold. It's deterministically adjusting frequency on the basis of GPU workload and GPU hardware occupancy. So whatever the CPU workload it won't impact GPU clocks.
It kinda seems like you might be conflating Smart Shift with their GPU variable clocks. Smart Shift will raise the power ceiling for the CPU if the GPU is idle, but I don't think it works the same the other way around because the GPU clocks are fixed at the top end, based not on overall APU power, but GPU stability limitations (as attested to by Cerny himself).
So I doubt the CPU running flat out would reduce the GPU power ceiling, as a) I would argue logically that as poor design, and b) it simply doesn't need to because the cooling system capacity will be sized for peak CPU and GPU power consumption (which with the variable GPU clock regime is still way below that of a fixed clock GPU).
That's not how it works. The GPU clock frequency adjustment is performed on the basis of GPU workload. So it will change rapidly and many times within the time span of rendering a single frame.
So for a 30fps game, you could see the clocks adjust up and down multiple times within that 33.3ms frame time.
So when Cerny says the GPU will be at max clocks most of the time, it's pretty clear he knows what he's talking about.
I guess that english probably isn't your first language so it's clear you misunderstood that statement I made.
What I'm saying is that the the PS5's variable clock regime will perform better than a PS5 that was set with fixed clocks.
i.e.
Let's say that Cerny went the same route as Xbox with PS5 (i.e. a hypothetical PS5), and spec'd their machine as 36CUs clocked with a 1.8GHz fixed clock-speed. This would obviously perform significantly worse than the actual variable clocked 2.3GHz 36CU PS5 GPU.
Yes, variable clocks also benefits the Front End, ROPs and cache bandwidth too, but regardless, you cannot point to any of these features and say conclusively "this" or "that hardware feature running at higher clocks is the reason the PS5 provides more stable framerates across a range of different titles".
Every game is different, will have a different performance profile, and will be bottlenecked in different parts of the system at different points throughout the game. It's way more complex than just saying, higher PS5 clocks ==> higher average framerates in games with dynamic resolution.
Mr Moose
Member
I cropped them and flipped between them and they look the same to me. I could do with some new glasses, though.
MasterCornholio
Member
Are you talking about the time you got the temp?
I don't remember you ever saying that when you posted those screens.
I mean if you did I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have gotten that time off.
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Mr Moose
Member
I think the first time was today, they grow up so fast.
I am proud of you, Riky
3liteDragon
Member
MasterCornholio
Member
I think the first time was today, they grow up so fast.
I am proud of you, Riky
I think it's good that
Riky
sees it as a bug. However he didn't always say that in the past.It's ok though we all make mistakes and have to learn to from them.
Oh jeez I better not see those 4TF claims again.
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Burythelight
Member
Remasters everywhere.
abel empire
Banned
Its not the english language thats the problem its your english terms and nouns that are confusing, 36cu's on the ps5 arent hypothesis they are physical. And i wasnt clear why you stated 1.8ghz which obviously everybody knows 36 cus at 1.8ghz would perform worse than series x.
About ps5 performing better in frame rates vs series x i said my guess would be the variable and efficient nature of ps5s design. That is my guess its not the universal truth it could be alot of things together from tools to the hardware itself. And the variable clocks to my guess are one of the reasons otherwise a theres no reason we shouldnt discuss it lets all go to sleep and its just magic that ps5 with 10tf is outperforming 12tf
You didnt say its a bug you clearly said it was debunked!" Which is a clearly false statement, whether its a bug or a bottleneck of the series x xdk,gdk apis nobody knows the point is series x has clearly low muzzle flashes and inproper raytracing on cod. Thats the bottom line.
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Riky
$MSFT
That was the Cyberpunk thread actually.
dcmk7
Banned
It doesn't take much for you to get all emotional (again) and start calling people stupid does it?You're so stupid, you claim nobody said there was a missing light source and call me a liar. I prove you wrong yet again by showing you the post and then at the end you go on to make the same claim
Which was debunked by DF.
MasterCornholio
Member
Weird I remember you spamming that COD framerate bug many times. I thought you got the temp for that.
Zadom
Member
Riky’s not taking anyone’s crap today! Usually he seems pretty easygoing. Watch out!You're so stupid, you claim nobody said there was a missing light source and call me a liar. I prove you wrong yet again by showing you the post and then at the end you go on to make the same claim
Which was debunked by DF.
MasterCornholio
Member
Riky
$MSFT
I've told you it was the Cyberpunk thread, check with a mod if you like.
MasterCornholio
Member
Can I see it for clarification please?
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Riky
$MSFT
MasterCornholio
Member
See what exactly?
Um the post that got you the temp? I always thought it was because of those COD screens.
Do you understand me?
Maybe I'm not making myself clear.
Edit: I'm honestly not seeing anything ban worthy from your posts in Cyberpunk threads.
It's pretty much old news and whatever you did I'm sure you learned from it.
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Metroiddarks
Member
Lets start with general notions:
1.- The consoles are not the highest end those are the High end PCs but as usually most of the profit of game or huge part of it are the consoles
make most of AAA have as target the consoles or at least should run in the consoles
2.-The PC hardware involve so fast that even if your target was some GPU when you finish your game that GPU is now in lower segment
3.- The level optimization which can happens in a PC is not the same as in consoles but the last point helps a lot
4.- As happens many times in your life if something sounds too simple is because is probably not so simple
5.- Remedy was not the only third party who complain actually a couple of ID Software engineers did the same few days before we know the acquisition then
they delete tweets, is not a complot and those are know for be one the more capables studios we have in the technical department
6.- Xbox makerting not dev promise the same experience as the XSX but you know less resolution and very easy to port
7.- Make a game is hard as fuck you don't want to face more problems and find some random user which tell you he can solve it in his options menu with out
problem any day
Regarding your comments you had to remember the marketing promise was next gen experiences only with a lower resolution and that is not always possible
also remember you want to have a minimum level of quality where you assets can "shine".
Lower effects is against to just "lower resolution" or quality textures as some user say
In which way? quantity of rays? but this probable make your image have more noise and again is against the promise
But do you think about the memory required for BVH ? this probably one the biggest problems because XSS has less memory but this doesn't scale with resolution
So what use more LoDs so your GPU suffers less? but you have less memory you need to be carefull
So what about have less LoDs? yeah now your GPU could suffer
Yes but not anything scale with resolution 1:1 for example BVH, stop thinking like PC gamer and more like a dev.
Just looks how much VRAM and fps can give you an specific GPU in differents resolution are not 1:1.
I don't know what you tried to said here but remember one of weakest aspects in this current consoles (XSX,PS5) is the memory now imagine XSS in 5 years from now.
But they do but you never listen, just see all the GDC and Siggraph conferences you really think this people doesn't want to use all the new APIs and implemented in
its engines of course but they can.
And when they release a game they just put a range of GPUs from where test or even think its game can run well is your problem as PC gamer check how good that game
will run I mean I am not the only one who go to check benchmark from a game just to see how good runs with my GPU even in some cases the CPU.
Or you really think those developers are using budget to optimize for the GTX 700 series because is the lowest common denominator. Make a game in XSS is not hard but
make a game which use as should be the XSX and run decent in XSS that required more time and budget and sometimes is not wort it so you had to make sacrifices aside
resolution.
kyliethicc
Member
Its wild seeing pages of people falling for his trolling
waste of time
waste of time
Metroiddarks
Member
But but I was bored
dcmk7
Banned
Agree just report him and move on.
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