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E3 2021 Participants Revealed (Nintendo, MS, Capcom, Konami, UbiSoft). Sony, EA, Activision, Square to Skip
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Not sure why anyone thinks Bethesda will ever do their own event again. They are essentially platform exclusive (if you consider that platform to be Game Pass). They are going to show everything they have (save the one PS exclusive game) during Microsoft's show. Why would Microsoft let them run their own event, thus lowering the excitement and hype for Microsoft's event.
If you recall, reportedly there was 2 to 3 hour time slots available to kick off days for platform holders. Microsoft's pressers are already known to run 2 hours minimum. So, combining Bethesda in with all their other announcements - this might actually be Microsoft's best E3 ever from a pure "conference" perspective when it comes to announcements.
Conversely, I think Nintendo is going to blow out Zelda's 35th this year, and the rest will have their typical slate to show off.
ultrazilla
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Nintendo, Xbox and Ubisoft back digital-only E3 2021
E3 2021 will return this June in digital form, and has been backed by Nintendo, Xbox, Capcom, Konami, Ubisoft, Take-Two…www.gamesindustry.biz
This will be the big "debut" event for the Nintendo Switch Pro. Then we'll see it on sale by November at the latest.
sometimes I think this is a bit overblown.
A lot of this "promises" are really vague and can arguably have "come true" when you look at it with a broader stroke beyond what most of us consider what matters. Very reggie esque, where it sounds stupid and you can argue he lied, but then when you read his actual words - it's our interpretation that was wrong as they technically were correct in some regards. Even when he says things like "this is our best E3 ever" - that's always subjective anyways and meant to be a marketing ploy to build hype.
Phil doesn't really have to promise anything. He has so many studios under his control, he can just show you shit instead.
reinking
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Which would be a nice change.
nowhat
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Is Hermen now also in the frothing fanboy shitlist? I can't keep up.Sony should not skip and put Jim and Hermen as the hosts.
Alright
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He already showed me shit in November, it was called halo 5
He could show games, and he could have done that for seven years, and yet everything they've shown is just as shit.
Phil Spencer is just Don Mattrick in a fat suit.
Zeroing
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Yes! It is funny
Dear god! People adore him way too much, in a non healthy relationship way!
yurinka
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What is your source to say Sony, EA, Activision or Square will skip E3? The press release not mentioning them doesn't mean they will skip E3, they can announce it later as always happened for many companies. They simply don't list all the dozens of companies attending E3 every year in the first list of announced companies.Nintendo, Xbox and Ubisoft back digital-only E3 2021
E3 2021 will return this June in digital form, and has been backed by Nintendo, Xbox, Capcom, Konami, Ubisoft, Take-Two…
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ManaByte
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Sony and EA skipped last year too.
yurinka
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All companies skipped E3 last year (bad joke, sorry)
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I think it's less adoration, as it might be appreciation. Before Phil, the people in control of Xbox/Microsoft were just... so business heavy and had no understanding of gamers at all. Phil Spencer has basically become their Iwata/Reggie combo like Nintendo use to have. Both Iwata and Reggie always got a ton of praise even when Nintendo made really stupid decisions. Even to this day, Reggie is considered gaming royalty.
Phil Spencer took over when Xbox was in a very dark place and Phil Spencer, unlike prior people running Xbox, actually plays video games and understands gamers more than anyone else who has head the reigns. So sure he's as guilty as Nintendo's old combo of getting overhyped and over worshiped, but it's mostly because Xbox fans don't want to go back to the dark days of a company that has no idea about anything gaming anymore.
I think Phil is who he is at this point. He's a mostly net positive for Microsoft and Xbox. Fans are going to fanboy away regardless. People use to fawn like this over Kaz on the PlayStation side of things too. That's just the nature of people.
SteelCurtain 59
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Yeah I mean I can't really think of any definitive promises he's really made, most of them are subjective statements that you'd expect any executive/marketer to think "best E3 ever", "you'll love what we have to offer", "we can't wait to show you more soon", "make Xbox the best place to play games"
Like I know I'm more of an xbox guy so may be biased but what promises has he made that didn't end up happening that weren't out of his control (like how Microsoft didn't really financially invest at all in Xbox until like 2017, or a game like Crackdown 3 or Scalebound going through development hell). He's definitely cheesy and a hype-man, but I don't think he's been a liar or mass overpromiser
GHG
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They think they are above all this now when in reality they need to show up more than ever.
Zeroing
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He is business suit! He was in before he got “promoted” aka nobody wants to take Xbox leadership! If knowing what gaming is about is having your fans telling you what to do then... yeah he’s an expert!
People made fun of Kaz and he took it as a joke! If anyone makes a joke about Phil, people rush to defend his “honor” or something....
SlimySnake
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Yeah, I mean they will do their own digital event like last year but they will have zero presence at the biggest media event in gaming this year. All the journalists will be there. Not just the ones they invite to do interviews with jim Ryan.
It's funny that a marketing guy like Jim Ryan doesnt know this. You would think he would go all in on marketing but hes shut himself off like a virgin loner. Sony used to have huge presence at not just E3 but also at gamescom, eurogamer expo, paris games show, PSX, gamestop retail events and even some comic cons. Now it's just one or two digital events with zero media coverage.
Eh, this is just being very disingenuous. At worst, it's showing some protentional console war attitude where you want to talk down Phil and Xbox regardless of what they do.
Start at 7 years ago. You talk about how "He could have done that for 7 years" - referencing back to when Xbox One launched. Phil was not in control when Xbox One launched. Now, roughly 7 years ago he was handed the reigns of Xbox, but Xbox was in a shit hole at the time. Considering it takes 3 to 5 years to make AAA games minimum, and considering the black hole Microsoft was in, Phil can't really be blamed for the first few years of the platform because those decisions started before Xbox One even came out.
But even objectively speaking, has there really been nothing but shit on Xbox One? Sea of Thieves didn't turn out to be really good in the end? Halo Wars 2 wasn't good? The Forza series didn't continue to flourish? Halo and Gears didn't have quality entries? Cuphead and Ori, games funded by Microsoft, weren't good?
Yeah, that doesn't sound so great when you look up Sony's exclusives, and it doesn't sound great when Scalebound ended up getting canceled. But Microsoft didn't exactly have anything going for it BEFORE Phil took over. Seriously, they had very few active game studios.
So, after Phil likely spent his early years restructuring Xbox, he spent the last 3 years convincing Microsoft to not only invest in game pass and xcloud, but to allow him to grow Microsoft's studios through acquisitions. He hasn't shown games since doing so?
So I imagined the reveal of the new Hellblade game? Halo Infinite was delayed (and for good reason), but wasn't that shown? The Medium, Flight Simulator, Psychonaughts 2, Everwild, As Dusk Falls, Avowed, Fable, new Forza, State of Decay 3, and now all of Bethesda's offerings like Starfield, the upcoming Elder Scrolls 6, etc. (you can take away credit for Bethesda for now, until they show things after the acquisition).
That's not "shit". Not even objectively speaking. That's games coming to Xbox Series X/S in the next few years (some already out) that represent a wide variety of content. You don't have to be excited for any of it - that's fine. It's like when people tell me they aren't into Nintendo games - hey that's totally fine. It doesn't mean those game are shit. It means your taste is different.
We don't need to sit here and throw entire companies under the bus for not making the games YOU want, when they factually have shown games. Microsoft has shown all these games off in the last year.
Zeroing
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Yeah because between over hyping their E3 and giving you trailers that are not even realistic to the final game .
I rather they not showing and letting games speak for themselves.
recently E3 is been a mess! It’s all about hype, famous actors and barely showcase of any real games. I am expecting Xbox to show the next cyberpunk fiasco!
A bit dramatic on the end but people get my point
As a person who has covered Nintendo for 20 years, I'll just say that the circles you run in create your perception of fan interactions. I have seen tons of people get really upset when Kaz was made fun of in the past. Point is, the circles we run in create the perception of reality of fan interactions.
MiguelItUp
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Here's to hoping for some cool reveals! That's all I really care about at this point, just give me stuff to be excited about. Please, lmao.
Trogdor1123
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Not happy about the skippers. Make e3 great again!
arkhamguy123
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You better be teasin an actual Batman game WB. Lest you wanna embarrass yourself again with Gotham Knights.
(A small part of me is excited to see how suicide squad plays though)
(A small part of me is excited to see how suicide squad plays though)
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Yes I am going to talk down Spencer, the same as I did Mattrick, because they're both shite at running that division.
I won't sit by and let Microsoft be another Sega just because list warslz and Phil Phil Phil.
I want them to make the games like they used to. You know, when they took the industry by storm and scared the shite out of Sony and Nintendo. Mattrick could have sunk the PlayStation division but he was too interested in making interactive games about little boys. fucking pedo.
But I've argued with tosser fanboys like you for a decade and I hate you all. You champion mediocrity because you lack the testicular fortitude to say "this is alright, but we want you at your best"
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reforen
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why Obsidian is not listed? are they skipping the show?
Zeroing
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Kaz had a fake Twitter account that made fun of him and Sony, imagine if someone make one of Phil? It wouldn’t even last 3 hours, I assume, death treats.
Nah I am joking, reality is, people always will take sides not thinking on why they are defending someone who they do not know.
See, name calling. Testicular fortitude.
You're using the language of an angry teenager. I'm just being honest. I'm not fanboying for anyone. If nothing else, my bias is for Nintendo, not microsoft. I own a PS5, Series X, and Switch. I game on all 3. I also game on PC. I am not sitting here championing anyone. I am just recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of each company. You feel like Microsoft could have scared the world. You want them to what, make games like they use to?
List of Original Xbox Exclusives
The complete List of Exclusive Games for Original Xbox, "Only On Xbox"
xbmcxbox.blogspot.com
Like that? It's a long list, but I mean... where are the Microsoft created bangers in there? Even Microsoft published? There are a handful absolutely, but let's be honest: That's not exactly some impressive list. Halo was their fundamental game changer. It caused two things in the industry: 1. Proved you could charge money for people to play online together. 2. Proved online FPS multiplayer games can work with a dual stick controller, a concept that really wants that proven at the time.
That was the original Xbox's claim to fame. Basically taking PC concepts and making them work on console.
Or for you, is back in the day just the Xbox 360 era? When was Nintendo scared again? I'm just curious. Wii was stomping the 360 in sales. When was Sony scared? Oh, when they overpriced a $600 system using tech nobody asked for when the 360 was cheaper and neither system had "banger" exclusives yet?
Yet, what happened in the end?
Microsoft right now today is a bigger threat to both companies they have been at any point in gaming history. They have NEVER been a threat to Nintendo, and even the one gen with Sony... Sony did it to themselves.
Microsoft right now is pushing games as a service and xcloud, and if those blow up - that's the biggest threat ever to Sony & Nintendo. They are doing right now, factually, what you claim you wanted them to do all along.
But because they aren't doing it the WAY you want them to, it's not good enough. See, this isn't me fanboying. I'm not even attacking you. Your opinions are your own. But when you come out and name call and attack others for disagreeing with you, the only one that ends up sounding like a fanboy is... you.
Do prepare for interview "best e3 ever" statements though. He's going to Reggie hype the shit out of this year's E3. He's probably feeling super confident after Microsoft let him spend 7.5 billion.
SteelCurtain 59
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The fact you consider what he said a fanboy response says a lot more about you than him
If you think expanding from 5 first party studios to 23 in less than 3 years (including acclaimed studios like BGS, Ninja Theory, Playground, ID, Obsidian among others) is "championing mediocrity" or "shite at running the division", then I don't know what could possibly change your mind. Xbox was in absolute shambles when Phil took over, I'm not saying he's infallible or anything but the state of Xbox is the best it's ever been, and it was the worst it's ever been when he took over, is it all Phil? No of course not, but he's arguably the main reason Microsoft decided that it was worth investing in Xbox to an extent they never had before (even during the fabled 360 days most of their first party output was partnerships with Bioware, Epic, or Remedy, not any substantial first party developers). If you don't like any of the announced upcoming Xbox games or any of their new studios that's fine, preferences are inherently subjective. But between incredible backwards compatibility (including things like FPS boost which enhance an older game), Game Pass (whether you like it or not, it's a pretty substantial service that millions of people absolutely love), xCloud, and massive first party investment (both new studios and expanding existing ones), Xbox is clearly on the upswing. This doesn't mean Xbox is going to dominate Sony and Nintendo or anything but to act like Xbox isn't in a very good place right now seems incredibly disingenuous. Xbox is far closer to catching up than they are to "becoming another Sega"
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Not quite everyone I'd like to be there (I'm hoping Sega still sign up for the event), but as-is looks like it'll have a lot of top content to make the show worth it. Hoping for some megaton announcements, especially since later in the year I should be able to pick up a Series X or PS5 (I plan on getting both eventually but only one this year 'cuz I also need to replace my PC and some work-related equipment).
Go see a professional psychiatrist. Like, now.
I think it's just going take a bit longer before some people realize Microsoft are supporting the Xbox gaming division more than they ever have in the past. Just think about it: the outsold Nintendo when gaming was just a fun side hobby for them (OG Xbox), effectively tied with Sony - and dominated them in NA/UK (the biggest markets at the time) - when they got more broader support but still not necessarily viewed as a critical part of the business (also considering a lot of financing went towards extended warranties for RROD), and still managed 50-something million LTD when Microsoft more or less wanted to kill the division altogether (starving them of budgets and support, etc. following mid-2015 seems like).
This is sort of the first time they've gotten real support from the larger company as a whole in a way where a significant chunk isn't being funneled to extended service warranties over some manufacturing issue, and I think it's just a shock for certain people. But they should consider coming to terms with it very quickly. I also think part of the fear with them is that a stronger Xbox HAS to mean a weaker PlayStation, but that isn't actually the case. And, if that childish idea is something they did think, why would they keep saying they wanted more competition leading up to the launch of the systems? By that metric, you'd want less competition as that'd pose less risk for whatever it is you prefer.
I'm very glad to see Microsoft resurgent this gen, and I think Sony's going to more or less stay the course and be plenty fine themselves. And Nintendo is Nintendo; long as they don't do something wildly different that misses the mark completely they should continue to prosper. All three doing well is good for the industry and, yes, that can include Microsoft increasing their marketshare and revenue/profits of their gaming division, closing gaps etc. without some harm coming to Sony or Nintendo.
Go see a professional psychiatrist. Like, now.
I think it's just going take a bit longer before some people realize Microsoft are supporting the Xbox gaming division more than they ever have in the past. Just think about it: the outsold Nintendo when gaming was just a fun side hobby for them (OG Xbox), effectively tied with Sony - and dominated them in NA/UK (the biggest markets at the time) - when they got more broader support but still not necessarily viewed as a critical part of the business (also considering a lot of financing went towards extended warranties for RROD), and still managed 50-something million LTD when Microsoft more or less wanted to kill the division altogether (starving them of budgets and support, etc. following mid-2015 seems like).
This is sort of the first time they've gotten real support from the larger company as a whole in a way where a significant chunk isn't being funneled to extended service warranties over some manufacturing issue, and I think it's just a shock for certain people. But they should consider coming to terms with it very quickly. I also think part of the fear with them is that a stronger Xbox HAS to mean a weaker PlayStation, but that isn't actually the case. And, if that childish idea is something they did think, why would they keep saying they wanted more competition leading up to the launch of the systems? By that metric, you'd want less competition as that'd pose less risk for whatever it is you prefer.
I'm very glad to see Microsoft resurgent this gen, and I think Sony's going to more or less stay the course and be plenty fine themselves. And Nintendo is Nintendo; long as they don't do something wildly different that misses the mark completely they should continue to prosper. All three doing well is good for the industry and, yes, that can include Microsoft increasing their marketshare and revenue/profits of their gaming division, closing gaps etc. without some harm coming to Sony or Nintendo.
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Keihart
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I don't know about fanboys, but he is in my probation list. He is part of the Penny Station EU Crew.
DrumNBassDanTTV
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Why? its Microsoft now not bethesda.
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I won't reply to you again, you're pulling the classic shill deflection.See, name calling. Testicular fortitude.
You're using the language of an angry teenager. I'm just being honest. I'm not fanboying for anyone. If nothing else, my bias is for Nintendo, not microsoft. I own a PS5, Series X, and Switch. I game on all 3. I also game on PC. I am not sitting here championing anyone. I am just recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of each company. You feel like Microsoft could have scared the world. You want them to what, make games like they use to?
List of Original Xbox Exclusives
The complete List of Exclusive Games for Original Xbox, "Only On Xbox"
Like that? It's a long list, but I mean... where are the Microsoft created bangers in there? Even Microsoft published? There are a handful absolutely, but let's be honest: That's not exactly some impressive list. Halo was their fundamental game changer. It caused two things in the industry: 1. Proved you could charge money for people to play online together. 2. Proved online FPS multiplayer games can work with a dual stick controller, a concept that really wants that proven at the time.
That was the original Xbox's claim to fame. Basically taking PC concepts and making them work on console.
Or for you, is back in the day just the Xbox 360 era? When was Nintendo scared again? I'm just curious. Wii was stomping the 360 in sales. When was Sony scared? Oh, when they overpriced a $600 system using tech nobody asked for when the 360 was cheaper and neither system had "banger" exclusives yet?
Yet, what happened in the end?
Microsoft right now today is a bigger threat to both companies they have been at any point in gaming history. They have NEVER been a threat to Nintendo, and even the one gen with Sony... Sony did it to themselves.
Microsoft right now is pushing games as a service and xcloud, and if those blow up - that's the biggest threat ever to Sony & Nintendo. They are doing right now, factually, what you claim you wanted them to do all along.
But because they aren't doing it the WAY you want them to, it's not good enough. See, this isn't me fanboying. I'm not even attacking you. Your opinions are your own. But when you come out and name call and attack others for disagreeing with you, the only one that ends up sounding like a fanboy is... you.
Microsoft were a huge threat to Nintendo during the OG xbox, the GC sold like shit.
Microsoft could have ended the PlayStation division in 2010, but Mattrick fucked it up.
Last thing I'll waste my time saying to you is compare the game output of the first decade of xbox to the last decade. It's night and day difference. I used to spend well over £100 a month buying xbox titles. now I pay £10 a month because thier shit output ain't worth more than
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expanded to 23 studios and has the output of zero studios. Way to go current day microsoft
I've been sat in the waiting room for an hour.
It's the internet and I'm here for my entertainment. I laugh my fucking cock off at some the replies I get on here. You just need to know how to tap the right vein
SteelCurtain 59
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Are you being purposely obtuse or do you not realize games take time to make? Plus there's been this whole pandemic thing which impacted game development.
nikolino840
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What about bethesda?
Captain Toad
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Konami is going to have an actual conference?
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Spencer at the head seven years
pandemic affects gaming two years
Halo 5 was in development, how long?
I'm a fan of the team that created Halo, not the team that killed it.
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Punished Miku
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Sounds like Sony is going to have another weak year. They really aren't replacing the hype E3 has with their State of Play shows.
Nintendo has the best digital events out of anyone with their Direct series. Even with that, they still also have the best E3 showing almost every year with days of Treehouse coverage.
Sony marketing has lost the plot.
Nintendo has the best digital events out of anyone with their Direct series. Even with that, they still also have the best E3 showing almost every year with days of Treehouse coverage.
Sony marketing has lost the plot.
carlosrox
Banned
You mean the lockdowns and restrictions?
Or has COVID wiped out a bunch of game devs and I never heard about it?
StreetsofBeige
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Leaked contract came out:
To all E3 vendors,
1. Please send us your pre-recorded videos at least 24 hours before the show. If you are doing it live, make sure your feed works
2. We will vigorously compile and stream them one by one adding this transition screen in between all time slots
3. Send your prepaid vendor fee payable to Entertainment Software Association (ESA) immediately
To all E3 vendors,
1. Please send us your pre-recorded videos at least 24 hours before the show. If you are doing it live, make sure your feed works
2. We will vigorously compile and stream them one by one adding this transition screen in between all time slots
3. Send your prepaid vendor fee payable to Entertainment Software Association (ESA) immediately
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I was giving the other guy the benefit of the doubt. He said the pandemic affected gaming, which it has, but to prove a point I said two years, rather than arguing over a year or 18 months.
It still doesn't excuse the other five years of Spencer or the 4(?) years of mattrick
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It's strange because I thought Sony could have at the very least, done a montage of old/current BC games, shown Horizon 2, God of War and teased the new naughty dog project.
They must be way behind schedule
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I don't know what their calculation is on this one, but it's clearly the wrong decision.
Nintendo has better independent shows through Directs, and they do it much more frequently throughout the year. Nintendo also has the longest E3 presence as well and entertains fans and makes it fun for 3-4 days.
Sony marketing is messing up badly here. The brand will survive because of the product, but the marketing is abysmal. Maybe they are behind, or maybe they're planning some independent event which is not going to be that great.