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[VG Tech] Outriders PS5 and Xbox Series X|S Frame Rate Test
- Thread starter Tickle My Tendies
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DJ12
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Rofl.
How about someone that can actually do some analysis.
Df never spotted any of this the first time round so unlikely they will now either.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Ah yes, nothing exudes technical expertise more than the sharper = better visual comparison.
DJ12
Member
Great, Now fire up your ps5 and take the same screenshots.Intrigued, I restarted the game and tried to find a single "washed out" texture. Here are some screenshots, obviously take compression into account ...but you can download the image to realize for yourself the nonsense of certain topics
Please stop with this washed-out texture nonsense created by some fanboy for obvious reasons
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Physiognomonics
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You mean the guys who stated FIFA 21 was native 4K on XSS when it was actually 1080p?
Mr Moose
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It's all it looks like to my untrained eyes, I do need new glasses though lol. AF can make a big difference to IQ more than res in a lot of cases imo.
PS4 in the pic above is a higher res, but look at the floor.
Shmunter
Member
I don’t do passive aggressive, I confront head on like I have with you.
Your threat amuses me, only worthy thing you’ve ever posted
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
True but the Outriders difference is larger.It's all it looks like to my untrained eyes, I do need new glasses though lol. AF can make a big difference to IQ more than res in a lot of cases imo.
PS4 in the pic above is a higher res, but look at the floor.
This isn't the first PS5 game to have more details but lower resolution.
The unified ram advantage of the PS5 is the reason imo.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Lol. Dat IQ
Aguero9320
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These threads, to use another poster’s seemingly favourite word, ‘literally’ make me want to tear off my own arm and beat you all to death with the stump end.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You are posting a gif that proves my point. Thanks I guessNope
Don't argue things you don't understand.
They would look the same but lower res because textures are at right angles.
OsirisBlack
Banned
Nope
Definitely a texture and shadow difference. Assets not loading in quickly or are they just not loading in at all? It can't look like that during gameplay. What's the context in this shot? I didn't buy this game the demo was ..... not to my tastes.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
However the longest frame time is on the PS5 (at 33ms VS 50ms on both the X and the S... it probably happened twice, but it happened.
That filtering... it negates everything else (not that there was anything to "negate", but we like extreme language here).
FrankWza
Member
It’s a microcosm of the x itself.
Showing tflops advantage to draw focus while being at a disadvantage or even in other areas. Trying to deliver on promises to a base or core of long disappointed,turned demanding customers. And rightfully so. They really shot themselves in the foot with the “worlds most powerful console” boast.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
That reminds me of Dirt 5 for some reason.Nope
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
It speaks for itself.
TLZ
Banned
That's a significant difference!
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
It shows af difference like I said. Again, please stop arguing things you don't understand.
Example. If you were to take the camera and look straight down the 2 pics would look the same except Xbox would look better because it's higher res.
Hitchyhero
Banned
I never really care about these comparisons.... The best version you can get is for the console you have.
That said there are people here that will say its a win for the PS5 no matter what and it's hilarious. If you can dish it out at least be humble enough to accept sometimes you might 'lose'. Are some people really bragging about 0.01% more in frames over 15% less resolution.
That said there are people here that will say its a win for the PS5 no matter what and it's hilarious. If you can dish it out at least be humble enough to accept sometimes you might 'lose'. Are some people really bragging about 0.01% more in frames over 15% less resolution.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I think the shadow maps are the same, they are just smudged by the AF setting like the rest of the image.
You would be able to see neither unless you are Spiderman or something... that AF at normal playing angles is pretty obvious, no need to do anything else than point it out, nobody will ask you what you are talking about, series X would probably look better by running the game at 480p with higher AF than what they are doing now.
and what would be the impact of an higher AF on series consoles (it's not free, not expensive, but not free).
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
If you got someone to just play both versions of this game with the point of having fun enjoying the game I would bet they won't notice a difference beyond controller.
Schmick
Member
Yes.... but there is a difference in IQ don't you think?
Werewolfgrandma
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The screenshots in question were from an overhead straight down view. My statement stands as correct.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Correct, but useless... If they fix the AF the resolution will be lowered to accommodate it, we don't know how low they will have to go to keep the framerate as stable as it is now (it already drop, very little, but it does drop).
So as it is the game looks much better on PS5--unless you keep the camera over the head of the character for some reason, but I don't play third person shooters by looking straight at the ground.
alabtrosMyster
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Werewolfgrandma
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Textures at certain angles look better yes. I was never arguing anything different. I was arguing the ps5 has better textures which is does not.
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Also people think dudes screenshots would look better on ps5, which again is incorrect since the angle the screenshot was taken wouldn't show af differences.
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I saw a dev talking about the AF and he says he reckons it's as easy as changing a few settings, and that the increase shouldn't impact much on performance - certainly not to the point where resolution is as low as PS5.
Fingers crossed its done sooner rather than later. Its not as bad as in that gif, but it's definitely noticeable on some textures.
Fingers crossed its done sooner rather than later. Its not as bad as in that gif, but it's definitely noticeable on some textures.
Fredrik
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AF issues aren’t seen in top down view. Take some photos when you’re looking straight ahead instead.Intrigued, I restarted the game and tried to find a single "washed out" texture. Here are some screenshots, obviously take compression into account ...but you can download the image to realize for yourself the nonsense of certain topics
Please stop with this washed-out texture nonsense created by some fanboy for obvious reasons
Shmunter
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Those angles are the way the game is played however. This is not an overhead isometric shooter surely.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
It depends how you play it, I'm sure my 4 years old would play it like that.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Holy fuck learn to read. Again I'm not arguing that. I'm simply arguing the ps5 has better textures which it does not.
I read 20 times ps5 has better textures and this simply is not true.
I do not understand the people that get percentage differences between versions based on the max value of the dynamic resolution. That figure means nothing, because pretty much any console can get 4k resolution when minimum load is on display (for example looking at the sky). The way to compare them is when displaying similar scenes (in that case VGT reports a difference of about 16% less resolution on PS5) and/or at maximum load (and in that case they both reach the same resolution of 1080p).
The weird part is that assuming that the 16% difference is always there, at high load (and dropping to 1080p) the PS5 should drop more fps, but it is not seen in the analysis. Perhaps he did not encounter any of those high load scenes?
The weird part is that assuming that the 16% difference is always there, at high load (and dropping to 1080p) the PS5 should drop more fps, but it is not seen in the analysis. Perhaps he did not encounter any of those high load scenes?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
You also said....
"They would look the same but lower res because textures are at right angles."
Keep embarrassing yourself if you like.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Yes of that guys screenshots which were taken at a right angle. Learn to read and stop arguing things you don't understand.You also said....
"They would look the same but lower res because textures are at right angles."
Keep embarrassing yourself if you like.
grfunkulus
Banned
In most games the difference between 4x-16x filtering is a negligible impact on performance. It can, and should, be patched and then the xbox will still have essentially the same framerate and an almost 15% on average rez advantage. Sheesh its like baby's first pc game in here...
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Series X appears to have at most a 32% pixel pushing advantage. In other words, it can also easily match on AF. Watch it get fixed in a patch.
Based on what data you taking that conclusion?
Because from the avaible data it`s impossible to make that assumption.
Top res can be as low as 1 frame.... you can even have a scenario where a console with the highest peak resolution actually have a lower average resolution... Xbox pixel advantage can be as high as 32% or as low as 1%, we simple don`t know.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
You say "negligible", give me a number so I know why you are calling me name and you sound so knowledgeable... I mean, I said myself that the cost was small, but we don't know exactly what it would mean in the end.
Seriously.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Af is memory bandwidth heavy so if you have lots of bandwidth available there is a zero fps deficit. If you are low on bandwidth af will have more fps hit.
FrankWza
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They’re saving that for Outriders 2:Inriders
DaGwaphics
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Jesus, it is for the most part. LOL
assurdum
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GametimeUK
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Not gonna lie, but I'm on the side of PS5 here. There's no point in a resolution advantage for Xbox if the textures look like soup.
However, I do believe this game shows the Xbox Series X has a power advantage due to the pixel count. The thing I don't understand is why would the AF be so bad on Series? I just throw 16X AF on everything on my PC and I don't notice a massive difference in performance.
However, I do believe this game shows the Xbox Series X has a power advantage due to the pixel count. The thing I don't understand is why would the AF be so bad on Series? I just throw 16X AF on everything on my PC and I don't notice a massive difference in performance.
assurdum
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Because AF costs FPS. Is there any other multiplat on series X at higher res which runs the same of the ps5 as Outriders? I don't think it's a coincidence.
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Werewolfgrandma
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Af requires memory bandwidth. Since PC's don't share between cpu and GPU they usually have an abundance. Consoles share bandwidth so af could effect performance more on them.
ethomaz
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Bandwidth is the best guess right now.
But it doesn't look it just AF from the evidences.