Hardware wise we all saw the direction they were going when they designed and came out with the Xbox Series X. That should have been the first sign that they were getting their sh*t together. Then you have game pass, the acquisitions, the XSX and the XSS. Hell look at the elite controllers and the Xbox wireless headphones (not my cup of tea) on the accessories side of things. You had to know that they were bringing it going forward. Some of you acting like they are dabbling in the video industry with no clear plan. This is not to knock Sony or Nintendo in any way.
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At this point how can anyone underestimate or deny Microsoft/Xbox?
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SlimeGooGoo
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Krappadizzle
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alabtrosMyster
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kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Yes, this
Who gives a crap if you have the most beautiful hardware if that's all you bring to the table. The truth is the competitor is close enough in power to play the same games with mostly the same fidelity, except they have games you literally can't play anywhere else (at least for now).
Stuart360
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It didnt look great, but i thought it looked fine, especially if its targeting 4k/60.
The problem with Halo Infinite is that it was pretty much the first 'next gen' game shown, and people had, and still have to an extent, pretty wild expectations of what next gen was going to give us.
I think if Halo Infinite was shown today, as its first showing, after everything we have already seen of 'next gen', well i dont think the backlash would of been half as big as it was imo.
Hugare
Member
To understand why Microsoft sells less hardware/software than Sony/Nintendo, you have to focus on what it doesnt do right
And the answer is simple: exclusive games
Amazingly designed hardware, controller and acessories means nothing compared to the importance of quality exclusive games
The Switch is a fucking tablet with some shit-ass ergonomics and garbage analog sticks, and yet it sells like hotcakes
They are working on it, buying studios and developing games ...
But we arent playing them yet, so we will see
And the answer is simple: exclusive games
Amazingly designed hardware, controller and acessories means nothing compared to the importance of quality exclusive games
The Switch is a fucking tablet with some shit-ass ergonomics and garbage analog sticks, and yet it sells like hotcakes
They are working on it, buying studios and developing games ...
But we arent playing them yet, so we will see
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Kuranghi
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The problem with Halo Infinite was people expect a flagship console launching title to be super bombastic, cinematic and buzzword, but since they seem to be going for something similar to the old games with installations that you assault it didnt play quite as grand as people had hoped. It looked grand in the view of the Halo and such and the shooting seemed good, but people weren't feeling the gameplay's scope. Maybe would've been better to show some flying or something like that, with a more "epic" feeling.
Like the engine reveal trailer actually, that was 800x more exciting than the Halo Infinite gameplay. If all of the stuff from that engine demo ends up being in Halo Infinite then it will be amazingly epic.
I've overused epic.
Like the engine reveal trailer actually, that was 800x more exciting than the Halo Infinite gameplay. If all of the stuff from that engine demo ends up being in Halo Infinite then it will be amazingly epic.
I've overused epic.
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Zoro7
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Main you need remind of how awful Craig looked?
Tickle My Tendies
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I’m sorry but isn’t this invalid now. Outriders and The Show 21 launched on Game Pass? I don’t own an Xbox but that alone gave me Game Pass envy. Between those two games and Returnal, that’s 200 bucks I spent on my PS5 alone this month
There are games on Xbox.
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Yoboman
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Have they actually shown any first party gameplay at all besides Halo Infinite?
Stuart360
Member
Craig looked fine to me, as did the game. Poeple just didnt have realistic expectations about next gen. As i said for months before the consoles even released, there will be plenty of 'next gen' games this gen that just look like last gen games at a higher resolution, and/or framerate. And i was right.
eastcoastkody
Member
u can still deny them until they get big exclusives that are out in the wild, and universally praised.
as much as i prefer Xbox. Halo & Gears are not the great games they used to be. And nothing new has come along to replace them. So those are still ur pillars. Bethesda can help. As long as ur gonna get Skyrim and Fallout 3 type games. Not Bethesdas recent offerings like Fallout 4/76 etc.
as much as i prefer Xbox. Halo & Gears are not the great games they used to be. And nothing new has come along to replace them. So those are still ur pillars. Bethesda can help. As long as ur gonna get Skyrim and Fallout 3 type games. Not Bethesdas recent offerings like Fallout 4/76 etc.
Bruno_Arrais85
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nice thread man.
Bryank75
Banned
It's a huge step up from last generation but what they are doing, the direction they are moving....it's just not for me.
I like having physical game options and that is more of a priority for Nintendo and PS it seems, also don't like that they force an online sign-in to play games that you own.
Most of all, they really need to release some exclusives IMO. It's been very dry and that was why I left Xbox back in 2010 when the 360 started drying up.
I like having physical game options and that is more of a priority for Nintendo and PS it seems, also don't like that they force an online sign-in to play games that you own.
Most of all, they really need to release some exclusives IMO. It's been very dry and that was why I left Xbox back in 2010 when the 360 started drying up.
Skifi28
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For the first time in many many years, games are actually coming. Unfortunately they're still not here quite yet, many of them are years away and they launched a new console with absolutely nothing. Let's also not forget that many people lost faith during the late XB1 era where their releases were a graveyard while the "other side" was getting a big exclusive almost monthly. Their entire strategy seems to be gamepass gamepass gamepass. It's great value but not for everyone, they need a few games to go with it at some point.
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Gavon West
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Wow. Lol. People still touting this shit?
Hatemachine
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If they are actually doing Metal Gear 6 I'll buy a Series X. It'll be the first console I've bought in over a decade.
Humdinger
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Yeah, I expect MS to actually be a contender by about the midpoint of this generation. For nearly a full generation, it was all talk talk talk. But they finally put their money where their mouth is. And lots of money. The payoff is still a couple/few years away, but it's coming up.
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They still don’t have the one thing that matters, games.
I don’t respect their acquisitions and as a result will vote with my wallet. Xbox gamers aren’t getting more games PlayStation gamers are just getting less. Sony’s first party line up isn’t a result of them swinging their dick around, for the most part at least, it’s the result of slow acquisitions and organic growth with tons of risk taking. Not getting to play the next elder scrolls with the features of the dual sense is a shame. The list of studios they bought is puzzling after you move past the huge names and the rumors of most of the devs they bought expanding to multiple teams despite many of them barely being efficient with one is a great recipe for disaster.
Having the most powerful hardware and the weakest hardware (by a considerably larger amount) at the same is another perfect example of Microsoft’s shit decision making. All that juice but their devs will be bogged down having to ensure their games play the on the s at acceptable levels? Stupid. Plus we’ve yet to see that power advantage come to fruition. Most games run either identical or in many cases better on the ps5. Most of the examples of games running better on the x feel like they are glorified bc games taking advantage of the power gap between the ps pro and one x rather than the ps5 and series x.
Gamepass is cool but I’ve always played a variety of games and know what I like. Between used games, the instant ps plus collection, the knock out monthly ps plus offerings, and the almost constant sales on the PlayStation store I think it’s really overestimated how much some of us would save on gamepass.
To answer your last point, no I don’t think they have a clear plan. I think they are throwing massive amounts of money in an effort to become the literal Netflix of games. It’s not that hard when you have limitless money to burn. 23 million subs is a good amount in 4 years but then what? It’s still not profitable. Eventually there will be direct competition. What happens when they hit the end point of Xbox owners willing to pay for gamepass? Their service isn’t booming on pc nearly as hard. Go full streaming? Why not just go full third party at that point?
I don’t respect their acquisitions and as a result will vote with my wallet. Xbox gamers aren’t getting more games PlayStation gamers are just getting less. Sony’s first party line up isn’t a result of them swinging their dick around, for the most part at least, it’s the result of slow acquisitions and organic growth with tons of risk taking. Not getting to play the next elder scrolls with the features of the dual sense is a shame. The list of studios they bought is puzzling after you move past the huge names and the rumors of most of the devs they bought expanding to multiple teams despite many of them barely being efficient with one is a great recipe for disaster.
Having the most powerful hardware and the weakest hardware (by a considerably larger amount) at the same is another perfect example of Microsoft’s shit decision making. All that juice but their devs will be bogged down having to ensure their games play the on the s at acceptable levels? Stupid. Plus we’ve yet to see that power advantage come to fruition. Most games run either identical or in many cases better on the ps5. Most of the examples of games running better on the x feel like they are glorified bc games taking advantage of the power gap between the ps pro and one x rather than the ps5 and series x.
Gamepass is cool but I’ve always played a variety of games and know what I like. Between used games, the instant ps plus collection, the knock out monthly ps plus offerings, and the almost constant sales on the PlayStation store I think it’s really overestimated how much some of us would save on gamepass.
To answer your last point, no I don’t think they have a clear plan. I think they are throwing massive amounts of money in an effort to become the literal Netflix of games. It’s not that hard when you have limitless money to burn. 23 million subs is a good amount in 4 years but then what? It’s still not profitable. Eventually there will be direct competition. What happens when they hit the end point of Xbox owners willing to pay for gamepass? Their service isn’t booming on pc nearly as hard. Go full streaming? Why not just go full third party at that point?
Menzies
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I'm not sure what there is to discuss here...so I'll pick up the thread on Halo Infinite.
I don't think any gaming studio envies the task handed to 343 with this game.
How does anyone make good on the scope of having a simultaneous launch on 3 platforms, targeting a high-frame rate as a competitive e-sports gameplay focused title, make it accessible to mid-tier PC's to capture the existing F2P market AND make it look like the showcase title of graphical fidelity of what to expect on the latest consoles.
You think you make good by at least prioritizing gameplay and frame rates. Promise F2P multiplayer and 120fps. Finally show it off to the public;-
"Craig looks shit"
Too ambitious with the scope Microsoft.
I don't think any gaming studio envies the task handed to 343 with this game.
How does anyone make good on the scope of having a simultaneous launch on 3 platforms, targeting a high-frame rate as a competitive e-sports gameplay focused title, make it accessible to mid-tier PC's to capture the existing F2P market AND make it look like the showcase title of graphical fidelity of what to expect on the latest consoles.
You think you make good by at least prioritizing gameplay and frame rates. Promise F2P multiplayer and 120fps. Finally show it off to the public;-
"Craig looks shit"
Too ambitious with the scope Microsoft.
Stuart360
Member
You realize that everyone will be going full streaming in the future (well you never know with Nintendo lol), thats just the future. There is IMO a pretty big chance that we will only get one more hardware generation after this (remember one more generation after currrent means 14 or 15 years from now), and then it will all be streaming. Subscriptions is how you get all other entertainment now, and Microsoft are going with the times, as Sony will do too at some point.
If anyone has a plan for the future, its Microsoft and Xbox. (Gamepass and Xcloud).
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
They are a major player again, no question.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
They're still in third place.
Pedro Motta
Member
I wouldn't underestimate their wallet.
Derktron
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They said that so many times with Nintendo and look where they are now. This isn’t a SEGA situation
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Streaming in 10-15 years? I highly doubt it, unless you want to exclude rest of the world out there lol, internet currently is fine stable for videos, downloading, but streaming for video games? naaahhhh still a long way
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Nintendo is catering to another market currently, they are basically portable console with their own IP, not really a good comparison imo, some people even buy a switch even they already have a gaming console xbox/ps
Captain Toad
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Because they've been using the line, "don't worry, the games will come soon" for close to a decade now.
It's games man. That's all that counts. Nintendo has them. PlayStation has them. Xbox hasn't really competed in this category in a long time and that still hasn't changed (yet).
It's games man. That's all that counts. Nintendo has them. PlayStation has them. Xbox hasn't really competed in this category in a long time and that still hasn't changed (yet).
Stuart360
Member
15 years ago, a 8MB connection was seen as 'super fast', where will we be in another 15 years?. Look at Musk and what he's trying to do with the internet.
Just dont be surprised if at least one of Microsoft and Sony go full streaming after 'Xbox 5/PS6). It will all depend on how many subsciptions the likes of Xclud and PSNow (or whatever Sony do next) have at that point.
Remember Sony and Microsoft make very little money on console sales, in fact they are almost certainly selling them at a loss currently.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
go streaming as an additional feature, yes.
But streaming only? i personally doubt it
I believe subscription (downloads and streaming) will come first imo, going full streaming only is very risky.
Kumomeme
Member
their foot at better place at this start of generation, compared to before. but the rest.. dont jumping around too early. this gen just just started and we need to see how it gonna play out.
they now look more eager than before, with throwing money for acquisition, pushing gamepass and stuff but none of those things already bring immediate result yet. so we need to see in next 2 years how they fare.
they now look more eager than before, with throwing money for acquisition, pushing gamepass and stuff but none of those things already bring immediate result yet. so we need to see in next 2 years how they fare.
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Warnen
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After the extremely anti consumer BS they tried to pull at the start of last gen, gotta hand it to them doing a 180. Now they have the best policies by far of the big 3 for refunds and stuff. That and gamepass have them set up well for this gen. If they keep adding major 3rd party games to GP should be set in the short term until more 1st party stuff hits.
Going by some recent threads...I think some folks on the team are starting to feel the pressure.
They just need to know its gonna be ok, its a long generation.
MrSarcastic
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You can not underscore how bad (since the second half of the 360 era) STILL is the Xbox situation regarding AAA First Party GOTY game of the Generation New IPs games. And just because they are a triple trillion-dollar company and have spent billions is not a guarantee they are not going to have issues making them.
Again. Making games is hard, making AAA games is even harder, making AAA goty contenders is a fricking miracle.
Again. Making games is hard, making AAA games is even harder, making AAA goty contenders is a fricking miracle.
Zeroing
Banned
What’s a Xbox?
I’m European, I only know what it is because I am here... exaggerating but it is kinda true.
Most parts of Europe you can go to a store and you only see Nintendo and PlayStation games on selves nothing of Xbox.
Most Europeans see Xbox as a console that only caters to Americans, I am not sure about the rest of the world.
Also adding the fact that for years, the European Union been penalizing American companies for their anti competitive behavior...
So answering your question, yeah depends on what part of the world you are...
I’m European, I only know what it is because I am here... exaggerating but it is kinda true.
Most parts of Europe you can go to a store and you only see Nintendo and PlayStation games on selves nothing of Xbox.
Most Europeans see Xbox as a console that only caters to Americans, I am not sure about the rest of the world.
Also adding the fact that for years, the European Union been penalizing American companies for their anti competitive behavior...
So answering your question, yeah depends on what part of the world you are...