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[cash_longfellow]

I swear, some of y'all are like that one college kid that tries to get away with using Wikipedia as legit source material when writing papers.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Same. But I think unless they are dramatically altering the internals and especially the cooling solution, I think most of the changes will be internal, and the external design will be more or less the same.

Agreed.

You just know some fake insider will run with this as PS5 is going to be more powerful next year or some click bait YouTuber using a headline and thumbnail balancing a Dualsense on their love pencil.

 

[ethomaz]

I wonder if it is gonna be even bigger than now

I don’t think it is a redesign in the look but just the APU to be cheaper.

APU shrinks happens everything a new process is available to cut the costs of the component that can eat up 1/3 of the console cost.

BTW that rumor was created because Sony on financials said they are looking on APU redesign to make it cheaper.

 

[ethomaz]

Agreed.

You just know some fake insider will run with this as PS5 is going to be more powerful next year or some click bait YouTuber using a headline and thumbnail balancing a Dualsense on their love pencil.

It is more like a shrink in APU to cut costs.
The design won’t change I believe.

 

[reksveks]

I will take a smaller and more normal looking design

 

[Astral Dog]

No surprise. I guess we’re talking PS5 slim?

Too soon for a slim model i think just gonna be an internal change

 

[BlackTron]

If this turns out to simply be an internal redesign/refinement, much like the variety of early PS3's that you could only tell apart by differences such as the plastic finish, number of GB or USB ports, then I'll keep on waiting. TBH, this is what I expect. Probably a good and necessary move though.

From the beginning, I steeled myself to wait on a Slim or Pro model. I find the current PS5 to be a monstrosity. If there is a case redesign, or even simply a black version, I might be more tempted.

That being said, I'm not exactly sure HOW I'll behave when there's an actual real life PS5 in a box in front of me in a store, with Returnal and Rachet & Clank right there for the taking. I might start sweating bullets.

 

[sircaw]

Well, it's settled then, that's what i will be waiting for.

please be out before diablo4 cry.

 

[Lysandros]

It has to do with meeting the extreme demand before it fades away. You must capitalize on it, and this is a very smart move from Sony. Expecting minor improvements in wattage, clock speeds, thermals. Something subtle though, like PS4 OG and PS4 Slim (1.84TF vs 2.1TF with other improvements).

2.1 TF PS4 slim? First time i hear about it, you sure about this Bo?..

 

[Bo_Hazem]

2.1 TF PS4 slim? First time i hear about it, you sure about this Bo?..

PS4 Pro is a chiplet of 2x PS4 Slim = 4.2TF but seems 1.8GHz instead of 1.6GHz. Yes, it's 1.84TF as well.

 

[Lysandros]

PS4 Pro is a chiplet of 2x PS4 Slim = 4.2TF but seems 1.8GHz instead of 1.6GHz. Yes, it's 1.84TF as well.

For the CPU? It's around 2.1 GHz for the PRO.

 

[supernova8]

Same as Slim, mate. If anything it'll be a subtle improvement (PS4 OG 1.84TF vs PS4 Slim 2.1TF).

you say subtle but 2.1tf vs 1.84tf would be 14% increase. Similar increase would put it up to 11.3tf and then suddenly that gap to 12tf is even smaller (assuming Microsoft didn't also move to 6nm)

 

[McHuj]

If this turns out to simply be an internal redesign/refinement, much like the variety of early PS3's that you could only tell apart by differences such as the plastic finish, number of GB or USB ports, then I'll keep on waiting. TBH, this is what I expect. Probably a good and necessary move though.

This is 90% most likely. It's just cost cutting and I doubt they do a redesign of the enclosure until they can hit 3/5nm. They need significant power savings to reduce cooling requirements.

This article describes 6nm. It's very easy to port an 7nm design to 6nm and get an area savings of around 15% (which should translate to even higher cost savings).

TSMC Reveals 6 nm Process Technology: 7 nm with Higher Transistor Density

www.anandtech.com

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

All the scalpers getting ready to take all the PS5 Slim inventory for months

 

[Bo_Hazem]

you say subtle but 2.1tf vs 1.84tf would be 14% increase. Similar increase would put it up to 11.3tf and then suddenly that gap to 12tf is even smaller (assuming Microsoft didn't also move to 6nm)

Yeah it's actually kept at 1.84TF (Slim), but they could've boosted it to 1.8GHz like the Pro. They might boost it this time around though due to being dynamically shifting according to workload.

 

[Papacheeks]

Yes, they'll likely use a less beefy cooling solution and regular thermal paste rather than liquid metal since the power requirement goes down as die shrinks happen. Lots of savings.

The clock speeds are not going to change though? So cooling wise I don't see anything super drastic changing on frequency front? Unless the liquid cooling is part of the production issue? But liquid metal is used in a lot of cpu construction. If you delid a intel cpu you find liquid metal underneath.

So I feel thats not an issue in production. What seems to be is the chip is on the same node as almost everything coming out of TSMC, so going to a different node will make production per waffer faster since no one is going to be using that wafer as much.

 

[Lysandros]

Yeah it's actually kept at 1.84TF (Slim), but they could've boosted it to 1.8GHz like the Pro. They might boost it this time around though due to being dynamically shifting according to workload.

PS4 PRO GPU runs at 911 MHz Bo.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

PS4 PRO GPU runs at 911 MHz Bo.

Ok I need to take the dust off my memory.

 

[jroc74]

What the hell are you talking about? This is to be able to supply more PS5s to the market. It's not a PS5 Pro.

Some ppl just like jumping to massive conclusions. lol

...it even says this in the articles, OP. And yet...

 

[reinking]

Both of my consoles are doing fine. No need for me to make a switch unless they do something drastic. Also, Sony, when am I going to see custom PS5 plates from an official source? I want a super special preorder bonus or something.

 

[Lysandros]

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[sonomamashine]

clock speed could get higher

They'll keep the same specifications, and use whatever power saving to cheap out on the cooling solution.

 

[Bryank75]

A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.

Don't worry Sony have been making electronics for a bit, they know what they're doing....

 

[SlimySnake]

So does this mean thermals might change? As in not as an aggressive cooling solution? Or is this more or less just makes it easier to produce the chips with no real big change in overall internal or external design?

Can anyone chime in on this?

Smaller chip typically mean lower power consumption so yes, they wont need that giant heatsink anymore. But going from 7nm to 6nm isnt as drastic a leap as 28nm to 16nm they had for the PS4 vs the PS4 Slim. At best, they will reduce the thermals by maybe 15%. The PS5 chip is already very small at around 300 mm2, probably a bit less than that. If they can get it to around 250mm2, that would be far easier to cool and with some heatsink redesigns, they might even get a different looking console. Smaller and more compact like the OG PS4.

PS5 basically has three heatsinks. Thats how big that heatsink is. It's a cheap solution, but its still 3x the cost of the regular heatsinks they put in the PS4 and Pro.

This is the PS4 heatsink.

 

[elliot5]

Lot of copper to save on. Maybe even remove the liquid metal which I would expect to be costly, too.

 

[Md Ray]

This doesnt sound like a slim model with a complete redesign and it's hardly a die shrink, more of a refinement. I wouldn't expect such drastic internal changes. I'd expect something closer to launch PS4 pro VS newer versions.

RIght. I wasn't paying attention. it's a 7nm > 6nm, not like 28nm > 16nm. That's hardly a die shrink indeed.

 

[Fake]

I want the slim.

 

[Md Ray]

I want the slim.

Here I still can't get the thicc.

 

[Fake]

thicc

 

[Bryank75]

I hope they give a breakdown of the internal differences like they did below with the sheep airplane.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And a certain group on Twitter is celebrating it, equating it with a failed PS5 design with bottlenecks that now need a redesign instantly Ah, good day and fun times! lol.

This is your brain on twitter,

 

[Tripolygon]

I hope they give a breakdown of the internal differences like they did below with the sheep airplane.

This is creepy af.

 

[RoboFu]

the question is will this make the prices of the tens of thousands of PS5s on ebay to drop or increase?

 

[TrebleShot]

If I am understanding this correctly,

The point of the resdesign it to reach consumer demand, therefore a smaller SKU would be beneficial to increase the amount of consoles you ship whilst using the same amount of space.

I would be surprised if this version wasn't smaller in some way.

 

[Mattyp]

This happened with the PS3 a few years before the Slim. Not because they couldn't keep it in stock, but because they cost too much to make. It was basically a cheaper-made version of the Fat with redisigned innards (It felt lighter too).

Removing the card slots, PS2 backwards compatibility chips etc...

Shit go in all honesty, but this won’t have effects anywhere near that if any at all at least.

 

[Entroyp]

Well duh! This happens every console generation (to all consoles)

 

[Three]

So is it a slim model or just an internal change without modifying the shell of the console?

I bet it's just an internals change to cut cost. 2022 is too early for a slim IMO.

 

[Fredrik]

This would be super too fast... Many people just got ps5 and it's a middle finger to them

It’s next year, it’s not fast enough, the current supply issue is a middle finger to everyone who can’t buy a PS5.

 

[truth411]

A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.

If true this is only a redesign of the internals to boost production, this won't include an external redesign like a PS5 Slim. That wont happen until 3nm are available, im guessing 2024 when Apple and Qualcomm have completely abandoned 3nm and gobbles up all of TSMC 2nm chips.

 

[onQ123]

This article seems to be a little lost in translation, They are not going from 5nm to 6nm they will be going from 7nm to 6nm .

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.

You don't know what you're talking about.

There's no such thing as a rushed redesign in semiconductors. This would have been planned years ago.

it means tsmc currently is at 5nm, but sony chose to use a cheaper 6nm

No, it's a mistake with the reporting.

TSMC does have a 5nm process but PS5 isn't manufactured on it. PS5 is fabbed on the N7P (i.e. 7nm) process node. So it will go from 7nm to 6nm.

The poster you were replying to was right.

The number in the process node is mostly just a representation and isn't indicative of any real measurement (hasn't been for a while).

For example, nvidia's Samsung 8nm for their current GPUs is mostly just a performance iterative step with the same dimensions as Samsung's 10nm node. It's the same as TSMC's 16FF vs 12FN.


In the case of N6, it's presented by TSMC as an easy upgrade over N7P ("no retooling"), using mostly the same electrical and area characteristics but with 4 EUV layers which supposedly decreases production time.

In effect, N6 is an upgrade path to N7 chips to allow higher production output.

This.

 

[MayauMiao]

I like it personally, Wall-E & Eve’s baby

Its more like Eve's marrying her first cousin and got a deformed child. Let's hope next redesign it will be better.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's really simple.

More chips per wafer = increased production.

 

[jroc74]

A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.

A redesign to try to counter supply issues actually sounds like a smart idea. Add the fact that the PS5 and PS5DE are the exact same chip and it wont be as bad for both sku's.

Sony are gunning to outdo the PS4 in sales, and they just might.

And I'm willing to bet the Switch is on a different nm design vs the PS5, Series consoles.

And probably why they aren't affected this year vs last year where the Switch was as hard to find as a PS5, Series consoles is this year.

 

[blastprocessor]

Wonder if it will boost further, may as well.

 

[MaulerX]

You also didn't hear about a global semiconductor shortage during the period consoles were launched.

???? Of course I did. I was merely pointing out that revisions have not been reported this early. Not that they didn't happen. You guys need to stop being so defensive over your preferred plastic box.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Its more like Eve's marrying her first cousin and got a deformed child. Let's hope next redesign it will be better.

Each to their own tastes mate .

 

[Zeroing]

Please don’t be big, please don’t be big…

 

[Tarin02543]

6nm sounds more like a ps5 1.1, not a slim.

 

[skit_data]

Not very surprising they might look into a redesign. There are usually way more model revisions than people realize at first glance, not only the standard, slim and ”pro” versions.

These are the revisions for PS4, for example:

This seems a little more of a revision though, since it will actually change the transistor size of the GPU