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[Black_Stride]

Wait, we now have consumer SSDs with 7 Gbs?

One or two.

• PNY XLR8 CS3140 — 7,500MB/s reads, 6,850MB/s writes
• Adata XPG Gammix S70 — 7,400MB/s reads, 6,400MB/s writes
• Mushkin Gamma — 7,175MB/s reads, 6,800MB/s writes
• Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus — 7,100MB/s reads, 6000MB/s writes
• Samsung 980 Pro — 7,000MB/s reads, 5,000MB/s writes
• WD SN850 Black — 7,000MB/s reads, 5,300MB/s writes
• Patriot Viper VP4 — 7,400MB/s reads, 6800MB/s writes

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

He has that diplomat passport of owning PS5 that makes him your usual "neutral" to throw BS about PS5.

10Gbps USB 3.2 is 1.25GB/s which means 75GB in one fucking minute. They are here to just post shit.

You get this $26 adapter:

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Buy this 1TB 3.2GB/s NVMe SSD m.2 for $109.9:

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And your problem is solved. You want 2TB? It's $249.9.

There you have it, you can pull COD in less than 2 minutes.

The politically correct term is gaymer

 

[ManaByte]

Prices would eventually come down and I doubt Sony is looking to make the solution limited to one manufacturer. That wouldn't be good because it would jack up the price like the Seagate drive on the series consoles.

They didn't limit you with the PS4, but that didn't stop them from giving WD the license to slap a PlayStation logo on their externals.

 

[01011001]

No thank you.

yeah guys remember, Sony users do not like options, we know that don't ever suggest an idea for additional options to a Sony fan!

 

[THE DUCK]

Sony expandable memory system to date:
- Does not exist
- Unknown price and size
- If it did exist, you get to open up your ps5

Ms expandable memory system
- Available at launch and still readily available
- Available in 1tb size for $229
- Same speed as internal, plugs in in 2 seconds externally. Easily movable to additional xboxes.

This is a massive fail by Sony to date, if they can buy the drives for the system, they could have arranged for some to come to market on thier own. Expecting the open market to fill a need for a proprietary closed system is stupid. I expect everyone that was making fun of / criticizing the ms expansion has since retracted thier comments?

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

One or two.

• PNY XLR8 CS3140 — 7,500MB/s reads, 6,850MB/s writes
• Adata XPG Gammix S70 — 7,400MB/s reads, 6,400MB/s writes
• Mushkin Gamma — 7,175MB/s reads, 6,800MB/s writes
• Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus — 7,100MB/s reads, 6000MB/s writes
• Samsung 980 Pro — 7,000MB/s reads, 5,000MB/s writes
• WD SN850 Black — 7,000MB/s reads, 5,300MB/s writes
• Patriot Viper VP4 — 7,400MB/s reads, 6800MB/s writes

Oh wow. Did not know. They appeared quite fast.

 

[ManaByte]

10Gbps USB 3.2 is 1.25GB/s which means 75GB in one fucking minute. They are here to just post shit.

Avengers is 75GB and it took nearly 30 min to transfer to my external.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Avengers is 75GB and it took nearly 30 min to transfer to my external.

Probably a 5400RPM HDD?

That sounds about right.

You can speed that up a lot w/ an external nVME but they aren't super cheap.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Avengers is 75GB and it took nearly 30 min to transfer to my external.

Unless you're using a HDD something is wrong on your end

 

[MasterCornholio]

Avengers is 75GB and it took nearly 30 min to transfer to my external.

What kind of external do you have?

 

[ManaByte]

Unless you're using a HDD something is wrong on your end

It's the same 4TB external I installed all of my PS4 games on with my PS4 Pro. Just moved it to the PS5.

What kind of external do you have?

WD Black 4TB.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's the same 4TB external I installed all of my PS4 games on with my PS4 Pro. Just moved it to the PS5.

Well there's something wrong with it. BFV which is 100GB transfers in like 6 minutes for me, and that's just a sata SSD

Edit - Dude, a HDD

Really?

 

[MasterCornholio]

It's the same 4TB external I installed all of my PS4 games on with my PS4 Pro. Just moved it to the PS5.

So why are you expecting fast transfers to a HDD? If you used an SSD they would be a lot faster. I believe what would límit that is the speed of the PS5s USB ports.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

That's not really the issue; something like a 980 Pro can sustain really close to it's advertised read speeds, around 6.5 GB/second outdoing the PS5 by quite a bit.

Either Sony is finishing the software, or PCIE 4.0 drives aren't going to work, as the spec has been maxed.

So it's likely just Sony finishing the software/firmware.

You're already dealing with 2 priority level deficiency vs 6 internal. Those SSD's aren't made with gaming in mind to have just 2 orders.

Timestamped




Those off the self SSD's are really hindered by the lack of 4 priority levels that the I/O must compensate for and needs much faster SSD speed to manage that, sustainable.

Those aren't actually realistic speeds.. in real world that would take like 5 minutes.

Still not bad though.

If he has an HDD though that'll take like 20 minutes.

External SATA is probably the best price/performance ratio.

Yup, but I mean some are bitching here so they can use this cheaper solution from competition like half the price and might as well use it for other stuff on PC, or just use normal external SATA SSD's that'll take a minute to offload a 30GB file instead of 75GB.

I didn't know you could use the USB C port for that. I was thinking about getting a big external HDD but the transfer times might be really slow. Your solution definitely interests me.

You have 3 10Gbps, 2x type-A in the back and one type-C in the front. All can do 10Gbps.

HDD is just like floppy disk nowadays, you shouldn't use it.

The politically correct term is gaymer

Exactly.

Avengers is 75GB and it took nearly 30 min to transfer to my external.

What is your external drive? Must be HDD then. Why use HDD? I have 200Mbps internet and can get that back in less than the time that will take you offloading it and downloading it again from the external HDD.

Solutions are there if someone is serious about it.

 

[ManaByte]

Why use HDD?

Because you can't get a 4TB external SSD for less than $400.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You're already dealing with 2 priority level deficiency vs 6 internal. Those SSD's aren't made with gaming in mind to have just 2 orders.

Timestamped

I already quoted all of that in this thread friend-o.

Not sure what your point is.

The drives are out and are as fast as they possibly can be w/ the PCIE 4.0 spec.. there aren't faster drives coming w/ PCIE 4.0 interfaces.

All Cerny said was they need to be a "little bit faster" than the PS5's, and they are.. by like 30%.

Either these drives will work, or.. no PCIE 4.0 drive will ever work.. and I doubt PCIE 5.0 drives would somehow work either as the PS5 only has a PCIE 4.0 interface.

The only other solution would be custom drives, not really off the shelf... but Cerny seemed confident they can piggy-back on a "little bit faster" drives controllers and make it work.

 

[GHG]

yeah guys remember, Sony users do not like options, we know that don't ever suggest an idea for additional options to a Sony fan!

Do you live in an alternative universe where proprietary technology development suddenly leads to more options for consumers?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Do you live in an alternative universe where proprietary technology development suddenly leads to more options for consumers?

I think that person is suggesting Sony could offer their own drive, along with support for off the shelf drives.

An option, not the only one.

I really just don't think that's the issue here is though.. keep in mind it took 6 months to get PS5 games to copy to cold storage... so the idea that Sony is still working on the software for internal drives is not far fetched.

 

[MasterCornholio]

It's the same 4TB external I installed all of my PS4 games on with my PS4 Pro. Just moved it to the PS5.



WD Black 4TB.

This one?

That's a HDD. With an SSD it would be a lot faster.

 

[ManaByte]

I think that person is suggesting Sony could offer their own drive, along with support for off the shelf drives.

Well didn't they patent that?

Sony's Cartridge Patent May Describe Custom SSD for the PlayStation 5 | Digital Trends

Sony filed a patent in June describing what appeared to be a game cartridge design for an unannounced PlayStation-branded handheld device. Now, there’s speculation that this patent actually describes a custom external SSD for the PlayStation 5 console arriving at the end of 2020.

www.digitaltrends.com

 

[ManaByte]

This one?

That's a HDD. With an SSD it would be a lot faster.

No, it's the external version of that. And you can't get a SSD in that capacity. The only 4TB external SSD is over $400.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Because you can't get a 4TB external SSD for less than $400.

Why would you need 4TB anyway? Why 1-2TB SSD aren't enough? I'm more than sure you have a speedy internet. I remember when I installed a 2TB HDD to my PS4 I just transferred the save files and let it download the games I want over night by the order of the games I'll be playing first, and that's with just 16Mbps.

This doesn't mean Sony shouldn't try to solve the problem, but it's a problem resulted from having the best SSD and flash control for gaming in the market yet that is unmatched. So I'm grateful for that instead of using mediocre SSD. This console will stay for like 6-7 years so future proofing is key. In worst case scenario PCIe 5.0 SSD's will have 14GB/s and could easily sustain way beyond 8GB/s which is the cap of 4x PCIe 4.0 lanes.

In the meanwhile they should just make the m.2 drive for cold storage until they find a proper SSD that can meet the requirements.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Well didn't they patent that?

Sony's Cartridge Patent May Describe Custom SSD for the PlayStation 5 | Digital Trends

Sony filed a patent in June describing what appeared to be a game cartridge design for an unannounced PlayStation-branded handheld device. Now, there’s speculation that this patent actually describes a custom external SSD for the PlayStation 5 console arriving at the end of 2020.

www.digitaltrends.com

What would that have to do w/ the PS5 though?

They have no cartridge slot lol.. so either that's a ditched technique or for something else.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Because you can't get a 4TB external SSD for less than $400.

Brah, you spent $450 on a 2TB NVME SSD, that you can't even fully take advantage off yet

 

[ManaByte]

What would that have to do w/ the PS5 though?

They have no cartridge slot lol.. so either that's a ditched technique or for something else.

Could do their own NMVe drive/heat sink combo that would fit in that expansion slot.

 

[MasterCornholio]

No, it's the external version of that. And you can't get a SSD in that capacity. The only 4TB external SSD is over $400.

So why are you complaining about the speed if it's an HDD? They are going to be really slow compared to an SSD.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Why would you need 4TB anyway? Why 1-2TB SSD aren't enough? I'm more than sure you have a speedy internet. I remember when I installed a 2TB HDD to my PS4 I just transferred the save files and let it download the games I want over night by the order of the games I'll be playing first, and that's with just 16Mbps.

This doesn't mean Sony shouldn't try to solve the problem, but it's a problem resulted from having the best SSD and flash control for gaming in the market yet that is unmatched. So I'm grateful for that instead of using mediocre SSD. This console will stay for like 6-7 years so future proofing is key. In worst case scenario PCIe 5.0 SSD's will have 14GB/s and could easily sustain way beyond 8GB/s which is the cap of 4x PCIe 4.0 lanes.

In the meanwhile they should just make the m.2 drive for cold storage until they find a proper SSD that can meet the requirements.

Nvme drives that meet the requirements are available,they been available.
The things they can't support is done by the on board controller of the PS5.

 

[ManaByte]

Brah, you spent $450 on a 2TB NVME SSD

Yup and my computer is fucking awesome. 2TB SSD and a 6TB plus a 5TB external storage/backup.

I have 4TB hooked up to my PS5 (my PS4 Pro had a 2TB internal + the 4TB).

I have 2TB in my XSX and 13TB external hooked up.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yup and my computer is fucking awesome. 2TB SSD and a 6TB plus a 5TB external storage/backup.

I have 4TB hooked up to my PS5 (my PS4 Pro had a 2TB internal + the 4TB).

I have 2TB in my XSX and 13TB external hooked up.

Next time be a little bit more honest when you're bitching about the PS5 yeah?

 

[IntentionalPun]

PCIe 5.0 SSD's will have 14GB/s and could easily sustain way beyond 8GB/s which is the cap of 4x PCIe 4.0 lanes.

But the PS5 only has a PCIE 4.0 interface.. which would max out at 7.5GB/second.

There's really only 2 options going on here:

1) Current PCIE 4.0 drives that max out the spec should work fine, but Sony is working on the software
2) No off the shelf drive is ever going to work, and Sony will have to work with drive manufacturers to produce PS5 specific drives.. these shouldn't even be particularly expensive either, Sony's solution isn't some crazy high end expensive part.. it's a different configuration than what you'd normally use to meet the PCIE 4.0 spec

 

[ManaByte]

Next time be a little bit more honest when you're bitching about the PS5 yeah?

What the fuck do you mean? I never said I had an SSD external.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

What the fuck do you mean? I never said I had an SSD external.

It's the equivilent of someone complaining that Witcher 3 runs at 5fps on their PC

Then you find out later they're using intel HD graphics

 

[IntentionalPun]

Could do their own NMVe drive/heat sink combo that would fit in that expansion slot.

Of course.. that's.. what I'm suggesting lol.. that patent just has nothing to do with it.

It's not some patented tech.. it's a configuration that PC drives don't use because it's just not what would benefit a PCIE 4.0 drive on PC.

 

[ManaByte]

It's the equivilent of someone complaining that Witcher 3 runs at 5fps on their PC

Then you find out later they're using intel HD graphics

Transferring wouldn't be a problem if they let you do it in the background like installing or updates. But they don't.

 

[Topher]

"It's June"

Which is a month typically filled with announcements from video game companies. My guess is all the answers are a couple of weeks away.

 

[GHG]

I think that person is suggesting Sony could offer their own drive, along with support for off the shelf drives.

An option, not the only one.

I really just don't think that's the issue here is though.. keep in mind it took 6 months to get PS5 games to copy to cold storage... so the idea that Sony is still working on the software for internal drives is not far fetched.

If a company go through the hassle and cost of developing a proprietary solution they are going to want to push that to ensure their efforts don't go to waste and to maximise the high margin opportunity such and endeavour would afford them.

It would be pretty unprecedented for a company to go through all that trouble and then say to people they don't have to use their format and that in addition they can also use standardised solutions.

Has there ever been a situation where that's been the case on consoles? I know with Sony at least they've never done something like that so you can be sure that if they did everyone would be stuck paying ridiculous prices all generation with the added bonus of not being able to use that drive elsewhere.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Brah, you spent $450 on a 2TB NVME SSD, that you can't even fully take advantage off yet

I can't "sustain" my sanity here. So he wants to jump from internal 667GB to 4TB.

Nvme drives that meet the requirements are available,they been available.
The things they can't support is done by the on board controller of the PS5.

The onboard controller isn't shared, you may check again Road to PS5. That will confuse the internal storage. Each NVMe comes with its flash controller, and PS5's internal one is kinda big not sure if it'll fit in external ones. Also top tier NVMe are only 8-channel vs 12-channel internal. The I/O will mimic the extra priority levels.

But the PS5 only has a PCIE 4.0 interface.. which would max out at 7.5GB/second.

There's really only 2 options going on here:

1) Current PCIE 4.0 drives that max out the spec should work fine, but Sony is working on the software
2) No off the shelf drive is ever going to work, and Sony will have to work with drive manufacturers to produce PS5 specific drives.. these shouldn't even be particularly expensive either, Sony's solution isn't some crazy high end expensive part.. it's a different configuration than what you'd normally use to meet the PCIE 4.0 spec

Yup which means it'll comfortable sustain 7.5GB/s all the time because it can already do 14GB/s, so it'll be cool while doing so.

In any case. That externa m.2 SSD at only $130-140 combined with the adapter would solve the problem of most, if they really had a problem and not just concern trolling.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Transferring wouldn't be a problem if they let you do it in the background like installing or updates. But they don't.

If you were just complaing that you can't transfer in the background or something that's fine, but I've seen you bitch about the transfer speeds before and you do it again to try and lecture MasterCornholio

Get some perspective

 

[IntentionalPun]

If a company go through the hassle and cost of developing a proprietary solution they are going to want to push that to ensure their efforts don't go to waste and to maximise the high margin opportunity such and endeavour would afford them.

It would be pretty unprecedented for a company to go through all that trouble and then say to people they don't have to use their format and that in addition they can also use standardised solutions.

Has there ever been a situation where that's been the case on consoles? I know with Sony at least they've never done something like that so you can be sure that if they did everyone would be stuck paying ridiculous prices all generation with the added bonus of not being able to use that drive elsewhere.

Has a company ever offered their own branded accessory but also allow 3rd party ones?

I mean.. sure.. that's.. the most common type of hardware accessory lol 3rd party controllers can work on a PS4.. and a PC. Because that's normal.

It's not some super proprietary tech.. it's an nVME drive w/ a specific configuration.. Sony could either release it, or work w/ drive manufacturers to create some. The drives wouldn't even be that expensive, they'd just be useless on a PC (or they could also have on-board flash controllers I guess, not a super expert on this or anything.. but the configuration wouldn't be much of a benefit on a PC.)

 

[ManaByte]

The onboard controller isn't shared, you may check again Road to PS5. That will confuse the internal storage. Each NVMe comes with its flash controller, and PS5's internal one is kinda big in side not sure if it'll fit in external ones. Also top tier NVMe are only 8-channel vs 12-channle internal. The I/O will mimic the extra priority levels.

IntentionalPun posted the transcript above. Cerny clearly says otherwise:

for example the nvme
22:15
specification lays out a priority scheme
22:17
for requests that the m2 drives can use
22:19
and that scheme is pretty nice but it
22:23
only has two true priority levels our
22:26
drive supports six we can hook up a
22:29
drive with only two priority levels
22:31
definitely but our custom IO unit has to
22:33
arbitrate the extra priorities rather
22:35
than the m2 drives flash controller and
22:37
so the m2 drive needs a little extra
22:39
speed to take care of issues arising
22:41
from the different approach

He clearly says their controller will handle things for the drive you install.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

IntentionalPun posted the transcript above. Cerny clearly says otherwise:

for example the nvme
22:15
specification lays out a priority scheme
22:17
for requests that the m2 drives can use
22:19
and that scheme is pretty nice but it
22:23
only has two true priority levels our
22:26
drive supports six we can hook up a
22:29
drive with only two priority levels
22:31
definitely but our custom IO unit has to
22:33
arbitrate the extra priorities rather
22:35
than the m2 drives flash controller and
22:37
so the m2 drive needs a little extra
22:39
speed to take care of issues arising
22:41
from the different approach

Thank you, how you extract that? I usually put the CC on and screenshot. As you can see, the internal controller has nothing to help here, which has 6 priority levels. The I/O will need that speed overhead (sustained) to overcome those shortcomings.

 

[kingpotato]

Oof. Update your material. That's a last gen console warrior jab. The giant fan in the PS5 is whisper quiet.

I own a PS5. It is not whisper quiet, but it is much better than my PS4 pro jet engine. Didn't Sony say they would have to unlock fan speeds once they allow secondary SSDs? I'm pretty sure I read that a few months back and it would be even louder at that point.

How delusional do you have to be to assume someone else's whole world view based on a single comment. Update your bias.

 

[MasterCornholio]

If you were just complaing that you can't transfer in the background or something that's fine, but I've seen you bitch about the transfer speeds before and you do it again to try and lecture MasterCornholio

Get some perspective

Well he should have mentioned in the beginning that it was a HDD. I thought he was talking about an SSD until he revealed what HDD he was using.

I get it that its way cheaper to use a HDD but you sacrifice transfer speeds in a big way. I'm actually looking at getting a HDD for my future PS5 as well but I know it's going to be slow. Should be fine for cold storage.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yup which means it'll comfortable sustain 7.5GB/s all the time because it can already do 14GB/s, so it'll be cool while doing so.

In any case. That externa m.2 SSD at only $130-140 combined with the adapter would solve the problem of most, if they really had a problem and not just concern trolling.

The drives that are out can already sustain 6.5GB/second plus...

We have no idea how PCIE 5.0 drives would perform on a PCIE 4.0 interface... and they'd be massively expensive lol

And either way.. it's likely just Sony working on the firmware.

If Sony had to change their plans and PCIE 4.0 drives aren't going to work.. then they'd likely say something. Instead we have reports of the firmware coming this summer.. likely supported by the half dozen or so drives on the market that can hit near 7GB / second.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The drives that are out can already sustain 6.5GB/second plus...

We have no idea how PCIE 5.0 drives would perform on a PCIE 4.0 interface... and they'd be massively expensive lol

And either way.. it's likely just Sony working on the firmware.

If Sony had to change their plans and PCIE 4.0 drives aren't going to work.. then they'd likely say something. Instead we have reports of the firmware coming this summer.. likely supported by the half dozen or so drives on the market that can hit near 7GB / second.

Hope it's true. I myself don't need those but could be good for those with capped or slow internet.

But you can literally offload the entire internal SSD in less than 8-10min (667GB internal data) with only $140 solution for 1TB.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Sony expandable memory system to date:
- Does not exist
- Unknown price and size
- If it did exist, you get to open up your ps5

Ms expandable memory system
- Available at launch and still readily available
- Available in 1tb size for $229
- Same speed as internal, plugs in in 2 seconds externally. Easily movable to additional xboxes.

This is a massive fail by Sony to date, if they can buy the drives for the system, they could have arranged for some to come to market on thier own. Expecting the open market to fill a need for a proprietary closed system is stupid. I expect everyone that was making fun of / criticizing the ms expansion has since retracted thier comments?

You're not wrong. The only real PS5 advantage is that it won't be proprietary.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I can't "sustain" my sanity here. So he wants to jump from internal 667GB to 4TB.



The onboard controller isn't shared, you may check again Road to PS5. That will confuse the internal storage. Each NVMe comes with its flash controller, and PS5's internal one is kinda big not sure if it'll fit in external ones. Also top tier NVMe are only 8-channel vs 12-channel internal. The I/O will mimic the extra priority levels.

The on board controller will be handling the added internal storage.
No drives besides the PS5's nvme drive are 12 channel.
I hope you aren't trying to say that we are waiting for 12 channel nvme drives to release to be able to add storage to the PS5?
You do know the PS5 is based on PCI Gen 4 right?

 

[ManaByte]

- If it did exist, you get to open up your ps5

That's literally how it's worked since the PlayStation 2.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The on board controller will be handling the added internal storage.
No drives besides the PS5's nvme drive are 12 channel.
I hope you aren't trying to say that we are waiting for 12 channel nvme drives to release to be able to add storage to the PS5?
You do know the PS5 is based on PCI Gen 4 right?

Did you even open the link? It's either Mark Cerny is right, or you are. I would lean towards Mark Cerny. The internal flash controller has one mission: Dealing with the internal SSD, period.

The I/O will help the external SSD, not the flash controller.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Hope it's true. I myself don't need those but could be good for those with capped or slow internet.

I really am pretty convinced it's just them working on firmware.

It's possible an 8 channel drive just isn't going to work.. but that would be quite the miscalculation by Sony. And considering they were likely working w/ a partner like Samsung on their controller.. I just don't see that as likely.