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Pedro Motta
Member
This is the real question.
Great Hair
Banned
Why even bother test PS4 games?
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Single data point analysis are the best analysis possible.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
You didn't read.
Peace won't be upon you.
sendit
Member
We know how much brute forcing makes a difference long before the PS5 was even released. Look no further than the PC for that data. This is another set of stupid test by DF.
This has been said repeatedly. The SSD is only one piece of the whole I/O process. Some here just choose to ignore that.
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
I'm not sure it's "cheap AF". There's a reason it's not even 1TB. Of course, by now it will probably be cheaper to manufacture than a 980 Pro, but I'd bet it's one of the more expensive components of the console.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Uh what. Nobody has ever said that. Either you don't understand why those numbers get brought up, or you're just spreading crap. What people have been saying is that with optimal data compression it could reach throughput that high, thanks to the decompression hardware built into the I/O pipeline. It can't actually transfer data faster than 5.5GB/s, but those 5.5GB can be decompressed into more data if it has previously been compressed in the right way. This would obviously also benefit any other SSD installed in the console.
(PS4 games would NOT benefit from this BTW, so it's irrelevant to most of what this video shows.)
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Azurro
Banned
Wow, longdi got permed. I guess a little too much trolling did him in.
On topic, the writing speed is a bit disappointing, but it is not much of a factor, as 99% of the time data is being read off the SSD, while writing only happens during installation and saving.
Anyway, I'm kind of excited to add the M.2 drive to my PS5, I am beginning to reach the capacity of my PS5's storage.
I was hoping someone would test the Aorus 7000s against the Samsung 980 Pro, it's a bit cheaper where I live and it includes a heatsink already.
On topic, the writing speed is a bit disappointing, but it is not much of a factor, as 99% of the time data is being read off the SSD, while writing only happens during installation and saving.
Anyway, I'm kind of excited to add the M.2 drive to my PS5, I am beginning to reach the capacity of my PS5's storage.
I was hoping someone would test the Aorus 7000s against the Samsung 980 Pro, it's a bit cheaper where I live and it includes a heatsink already.
It appears that soldering the SSD modules onto the board was a bad idea, that will only lead to PS5 bricks in the far future. As the interface they’re using works just fine using the expansion slot. This makes their original SSD module solution wacky tech that was in the end probably not worth the time/effort/R&D. I bet PS5 revisions will have an approach like the Series consoles, replaceable, but not without a headache, but that’s ok because it’s a fairly extreme repair.
Someone needs to test if the PS5 has a “fail to expanded SSD mode” for when that eventually happens.
Someone needs to test if the PS5 has a “fail to expanded SSD mode” for when that eventually happens.
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
that shit can happen? bricked internal SSDs?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It appears as… how? How is the scenario for users better on Xbox (you can trade the interna one and… nothing as it does not get recognised, it is not designed to be user replaceable either but it is not a concern… why? Dunno…
)? How do people deal with any mobile phone or laptop with SSD nowadays?That I hope both consoles add… but likely they will just offer users to send the console in for repairs or will find ways to reduce available storage in the main disks as it gets progressively worse (which is in the far far far far future) and you can use the expansion bay more and more as effective primary storage.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Over time, long periods, flash cells tends to essentially fail as you write to them over and over which is why multiple techniques have been invented to reduce the wear and tear (including redundancy).
This is a problem for both consoles, for your mobile phone, and many other devices relying on flash memory.
Lucky8BB
Banned
It's impossible replacing soldered SSD modules? People replace soldered RAM and APU chips in their consoles, so I thought replacing SSD should be possible as well.
When it comes to PS5 durability I'm expecting SSD will be the last part in this console that will need replacement. Modern SSDs can write up to around 600TB before dying, so that's equivalent of installing 6000 games (100GB each).
kyliethicc
Member
No need to buy a 2 TB SSD right now. Very over priced. I agree this will be a very long gen. But thats actually a better reason to just go for a cheap 500 GB M.2 for now. Wait til like 2025+ as Gen5 SSDs come out and prices of these Gen4 drives will fall a lot. We will even be able to use Gen5 M.2 SSDs in PS5 too.
For example,
667 GB usable space on internal SSD
+ 500 GB usable space on M.2 SSD
+ 1840 GB usable space on external USB HDD ("2 TB")
= 3.0 TB of usable space. 60/40 split external / internal
Much cheaper and allows for plenty of space, especially since so many games are still PS4 games playable from an external HDD.
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TLZ
Banned
Do PS4 games load faster from an external SSD?
Custom modules that Sony almost 100% does not sell, the only way you’ll get them is from ”donor boards” aka already completely fucked PS5s then who knows if those would even work, they can/might be bound to the board they were removed from.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
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MasterCornholio
Member
Arioco
Member
I'm so surprised too. I can't even fathom why DF wouldn't test the games that we know make the most out of PS5's SSD and I/O. We have those first-party games you mentioned, but we also have good third-party examples, like FFVII Remake or Nioh. All of them load in between 1 and 2 seconds.
And it's not just about load times, the test should include games that really stress the SDD while in game, as Ratchet does. It would be really interesting to see how a 3.5GB/s SDD performs compared to a 7 GB/s one when shifting dimensions and that kind of things.
I usually love DF analysis and comparisons, but I think this one has been one of the wort they've ever made, TBH. Hope the next one will be better.
Connxtion
Member
Can be cloned and works, don’t think we have drives of that size (format) mind you? (haven’t looked)
But clone the drive and it boots. Drives aren’t interchangeable between XSX and XSS though. Hence the cloning.
So in theory someone could make an adaptor to house a larger drive.
DaleinCalgary
Member
I agree 100% and that's why I only have a 500gb WD in my desk waiting for the update. I have a 5TB external hooked up and I have no problems moving games back and forth if needed, its like 7 mins...
In 2-4 years prices will come down and if I have enough games I want instant access to I can buy a larger drive without the punch to the gut that I spent way too much in the summer of 2021. For now it was a $160 investment.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Fuck now I need to make sure I get Arnold with my SSD to install it?
Anyways I'm looking forward to the video.
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jasondefaoite
Member
Wouldn't that write speed give you an idea of how fast an update to the game would be applied?
kyliethicc
Member
Faster than an external HDD yes.
Here's some comparisons for USB external storage.
PlayStation 5: the best external SSD upgrade options tested
Digital Foundry test the best external SSDs for PS5, with game load time comparisons for PS4 games.
www.eurogamer.net
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Does it work on unmodded / uncracked XSX and can you play games and not get banned on LIVE? How does cloning a failed drive help you?
Connxtion
Member
Works yes, if it’s just a GUID part naming scheme then any drive will work after a clone. (Just like XB1 systems)
Creating one from scratch who knows yet. Don’t think anyone had had a need.
But since the drive is replaceable easily (doesn’t mean it will work) it’s still better than what Sony done for fixability.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I thought there was some link between the drive and the console activation which would mean this would still fail. So, has this been done and shown working and not creating problems or are we will at the hypotetical phase?
I think we are over worrying on both instances though.
Connxtion
Member
Not tried myself as no need. But yeah the chances of the SSDs failing on both consoles are sparse at best, and chances of a fail will be within warranty.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I was about to post the same thing
.Using an existing console’s SSD (cloning one XSX drive to another for example) seems to work (for now and assuming MS does not ban the console when you play on LIVE he just did a quick boot test), but not when using a brand new drive to clone to.
I think for both systems you are far better of to send the console to MS and if the drive starts to fail hopefully they can slow the additional one to be used as a system on or try to keep enough of the system software needed and only that in the internal drive restricting the total space available as the drive’s conditions worsen. PS5 at least needed months ahead of launch to manufacture something cheaply and fast enough to meet their specs (this console had to be mass produced months and months in advance of launch).
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iHaunter
Member
Internal or External isn't the relevant issue. It's the custom I/O that ALLOWS for it to be that fast.
I for one am relieved.
BlueHawk357
Member
How do we sign up for the beta?
Neofire
Member
If I'm correct the sign up period is over but I'm not 100% sure.
ethomaz
Banned
This one is for US but you can change the country in the bottom to matches your region.
PS5 system software beta trial | Sign up to test new PS5 features | PlayStation
Sign-up for a chance to join a System Software Beta Trial on PS5 consoles and test new features still in development.
www.playstation.com
ethomaz
Banned
It is open since PS5 launch… it never closes (well at least while the console is on the market and having firmware updates).
Same for PS4.
Not everybody is selected but when you are in you receive the email to test every new Beta firmware.
I was a Beta tester on PS4, I’m not with PS5 but that is just the life lottery… maybe in the future.
Beta test for games are for limited periods and needs to sign-up per game basis.
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Gamerguy84
Member
I would think the beta is going to run a short while and be open to public soon.
They've been in closed beta testing difference drives, now the open beta where the public mass tests different ones, if all goes well it will be released soon.
They've been in closed beta testing difference drives, now the open beta where the public mass tests different ones, if all goes well it will be released soon.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Those two spots don't have holes.
Md Ray
Member
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ethomaz
Banned
Some more early results…
Returnal (PlayStation 5 Primary SSD)
hothardware.com
Returnal (PlayStation 5 Primary SSD)
- Time to game 13.45s
- Time to game 13.37s
- Time to menu 7.51s
- Time to game 1.79s
- Time to menu 7.55s
- Time to game 1.86s
Sony PS5 Benchmarked With Samsung 980 Pro PCIe 4 SSD And The Early Results Are Promising
Now that more PlayStation 5 users are installing the beta software, they're sharing their experience on how performance is shaping up compared to the default SSD.
ethomaz
Banned
This others site made test with different SSDs.
nascompares.com
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nascompares.com
nascompares.com
Samsung 980 Pro PS5 SSD Expansion Test
Testing the Samsung 980 Pro SSD on the PS5 Now that Sony has enabled the ability to expand the storage of the Playstation 5 in the latest software update (in beta at the time of writing), the range of potential PCIe M.2 SSDs that PS5 gamers are able to choose from is surprisingly vast. The minimum
nascompares.com
Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus PS5 SSD Expansion Test
Testing the Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus SSD on the PS5 Now that Sony has enabled the ability to expand the storage of the Playstation 5 in the latest software update (in beta at the time of writing), the range of potential PCIe M.2 SSDs that PS5 gamers are able to choose from is surprisingly vast. The mi
nascompares.com
Seagate Firecuda 530 PS5 SSD Expansion Test
Testing the Seagate Firecuda 530 SSD on the PS5 Time for another PS5 SSD Expansion Test and this time it is one of the hottest pick for the best M.2 NVMe upgrade drives, the Seagate Firecuda 530. Now that Sony has enabled the ability to expand the storage of the Playstation 5 in the latest software
nascompares.com
WD Black SN850 PS5 SSD Expansion Test
Testing the WD Black SN850 SSD on the PS5 Yes, it's time for another PS5 SSD Expansion Test and this time it is the drive that received one of the most high profile recommendations so far (from Mark Cerny, designer and programmer, involved in the development of the PS5 itself), the WD Black SN850.
nascompares.com
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Pretty disappointing video to be honest.
No thermals, no noise tests and wasted 1/3 of the video time for ps4 games.
Looks like they don't even try to do more than a bare bone video.
We have to wait for gamers nexus for a decent coverage.
No thermals, no noise tests and wasted 1/3 of the video time for ps4 games.
Looks like they don't even try to do more than a bare bone video.
We have to wait for gamers nexus for a decent coverage.
jeffyjaixx
Member
This others site made test with different SSDs.
Samsung 980 Pro PS5 SSD Expansion Test
Testing the Samsung 980 Pro SSD on the PS5 Now that Sony has enabled the ability to expand the storage of the Playstation 5 in the latest software update (in beta at the time of writing), the range of potential PCIe M.2 SSDs that PS5 gamers are able to choose from is surprisingly vast. The minimum
Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus PS5 SSD Expansion Test
Testing the Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus SSD on the PS5 Now that Sony has enabled the ability to expand the storage of the Playstation 5 in the latest software update (in beta at the time of writing), the range of potential PCIe M.2 SSDs that PS5 gamers are able to choose from is surprisingly vast. The mi
Seagate Firecuda 530 PS5 SSD Expansion Test
Testing the Seagate Firecuda 530 SSD on the PS5 Time for another PS5 SSD Expansion Test and this time it is one of the hottest pick for the best M.2 NVMe upgrade drives, the Seagate Firecuda 530. Now that Sony has enabled the ability to expand the storage of the Playstation 5 in the latest software
WD Black SN850 PS5 SSD Expansion Test
Testing the WD Black SN850 SSD on the PS5 Yes, it's time for another PS5 SSD Expansion Test and this time it is the drive that received one of the most high profile recommendations so far (from Mark Cerny, designer and programmer, involved in the development of the PS5 itself), the WD Black SN850.
Nice. Looking like all 4 are recommended as they match and even exceed the internal SSD's performance.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
so what games exactly sets the storage speed? do you have raw numbers?
they did say they were doing further videos
