Md Ray
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Metro Exodus EE with those RT lighting and GI even runs on Series S, with heavy res downgrade, of course.
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Digital Foundry: Deathloop PC vs PS5, Optimised Settings, Performance Testing + More
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GymWolf
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They are more accurate than fake reflections, but they are still not 1:1 if you look close.
And like i said, morales is a crossgen game and ratchet is a relatively small game with non photorealistic graphic.
Let's see if horizon forbidden west, a crossgen but vastly better looking than morales and far bigger game than ratchet is gonna use rtx and how...
And you don't know how much they are gonna cut to include rtx reflections, is the trade off really worthy?! We will never know...
Personally, i'm perfectly fine with faker reflections since i don't stop swinging in spiderman mid air to control if reflections are accurate or not and i onestly feel sad for whoever does that in a game like spiderman or with a fast paced combat.
Accurate reflections belongs to photomode until we have enough power to spare to not sacrifice anything to include them.
Rtx lights are far more scene changing and you can forget that on console on nextgen games.
GymWolf
Member
An old gen (great lookimg) game, let's see how devs are gonna include rtx lights on modern big heavy titles.
Darius87
Member
your math is wrong
PS5 beats all Pascal cards in raster closest being 2080Ti
PS5 beats all RDNA1 cards in raster closest being RX 5700XT
Armorian
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Look where 5700XT and 2080ti are on this picture in RASTER performance:
PS5 is below 2070S and above 2070 compared to nvidia cards and ~5700XT versus AMD cards.
If you have PROOF that says otherwise, share it with us.
assurdum
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Wasn't the base frequency of 5500XT 1,66Mhz? And from what I have seen ps5 outperform it very often in pure rasterisation. Doubt ps5 will stay at the same level of performance for the whole generation.
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assurdum
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Lol as expected the worst scenario possible for ps5. It's always the same argument. When ps5 outperform 2070S eh bad pc porting, when underperforming, you see it's how ps5 runs, 10 TF people, 10 TF. Again TF.
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What benchmarks do we have showing the PS5 outperforming a 5700 XT?
So at 1.98 GHz vs the 2.64 GHz in the TechPowerup review, we're talking about 10.81 TF vs 10.14 TF. That's a 6.6% advantage. But I don't think we can just assume the 5700 XT being used in the review was averaging those clockspeeds. How do we know they weren't using the reference 5700 XT they used for their original review, which averaged 1.88 GHz?
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Darius87
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Raster calculated ROP's * Clock = Gpixel/s your graph is relative performance.Look where 5700XT and 2080ti are on this picture in RASTER performance:
PS5 is below 2070S and above 2070 compared to nvidia cards and ~5700XT versus AMD cards.
If you have PROOF that says otherwise, share it with us.
assurdum
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Ubisoft games or games AMD promote typically perform better on ps5 but sure I'm ready to read the bad pc port excuse. Still I wait to see when the generation will go further, because I doubt this narrative will survive in a couple of years. Console hardware leans to be pushed better with the years passed.
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Do you have a link to an actual benchmark? I know Alex tested this, but he has a 5700 rather than 5700 XT.
Md Ray
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The point is to inform gamers on PC about optimal settings which more often than not lines up with the settings devs use on consoles that offer the 'best bang for your buck' i.e. not sacrificing too much fps while also making the game look close to Ultra settings. It helps those using low-mid range hardware to get the most out of their rigs. It might even help those with high-end rigs if they're targeting 120/144fps.I'm still trying to figure out the point of a ps5/PC comparison..... You have a 3000 dollar plus pc(with 600-2000 dollar GPUs alone) rig versus a 500 dollar system. To me it serves no purpose
when everyone should already know the obvious.
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Neofire
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Don't they have benchmarks for that?
Md Ray
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Benchmarks for Ultra settings usually. But no one knows about what's custom/console equivalent settings unless someone takes a look at the console version.
Rikkori
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PSA: Testing Games YT channel shows fake results, so don't use him as a basis for anything. If you want results with overlay going that are accurate then check out GPUreport instead.
Werewolfgrandma
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Your graph shows a 3% increase.The 6600xt with its 2.6 ghz clockspeeds and the 5700xt with its 1.98 ghz ingame clockspeeds are a good comparison. Thats a roughly 10.2 tflops gpu vs a 10.6 tflops GPU. The 6600xt is bottlenecked by a 128bit memory interface but that most only plays at higher resolutions.
Timespy benchmarks give it a lead of 11%.
Typically, tflops are tflops, but I always found it interesting that Nvidia GPUs enjoyed a significant lead over AMD GPUs until RDNA when AMD was finally able to increase the clockspeeds to 1.8-1.98 ghz and all of a sudden, they started to match the standard rasterization performance of equivalent Nvidia graphics cards. Nvidia GPUs starting from Pascal had always been very high at around 1.7-2.0 ghz. My rtx 2080 has hit 2050 mhz even though the boost clocks were supposed to max out at 1.7 ghz according to specs.
Now the 6600xt hits 2.6 ghz and is able to offer 11% more performance despite 8 fewer CUs and just a minor 3% increase in tflops.
Your looking at it like they designed the game on trash cpu then you drop in a good cpu. If the PS4 has good cpu from the get go, I'm confident ND would still push visuals and we would still have a 30fps game.
No games have shown that yet.
Md Ray
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No, I said it's not just about visuals. They also push the CPU side of things just as much which involves audio, animations, physics and whatnot.
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DeepEnigma
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It was a “who gives a shit” game a week ago, wan’it.It’s kind of funny that Deathloop of all things is what some people want to sink there fanboy flags into.
Werewolfgrandma
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Animations and physics are very visual in a 3rd person adventure game.
Physiognomonics
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This from
And from techpowerup.. those red circle that's where ps5 gpu territory
On PS5 the game is locked at 60fps 99% of the time (at mostly around >1400p according to both elanalista and VGTech). Usually you need an average quite higher than 60fps in order to have such consistency (maybe like ~70fps). You need to look at 1% min framerate, not average to compare using PC benchmarks.
ZywyPL
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Or just add VRR finally and call it a day. The game runs to in high 40s/low 50s most of the time with RT, so not that much lower than locked 60, it just needs to be smoothered out.
30FPS ain't "magic".
grfunkulus
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ps5 pro would benefit all games, including the ultra elite devs.
Stop. You just sound silly. The devs are putting out award winning visuals. Cerny didn't personally create some holy grail of graphical computing using unicorn farts. You just sound like a silly fanboy. It's a piece of silicon. It's a good performer for the price but it's not anywhere close to top tier pc gaming performance. Get over it.
Dream-Knife
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PC gaming is great because of freedom.
Look at Steam Deck. Freedom in a handheld. It's less powerful than other options, but you have freedom.
Of course materialistic people enjoy pc because there is always something new to upgrade to in an attempt to fill the hole in their soul, but that doesn't mean you need to if you just enjoy using it.
Thank you for this. A few weeks ago there was a thread where people were claiming that the pa5 had some magic due to its clock speed.show me a benchmark of a game running worse on an RDNA1 than on an RDNA 2 card with the same TF performance
like a 5700XT vs a 6600XT, they are close enough
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notice how the 6600 XT boosts way higher, debunking the high clocks = better performance myth... but ultimately has similar TF performance, and can in fact boost higher and reach about 10.6TF while the 5700 XT only reaches about 9.7TF when boosting to its max clock (although there are variants that boost close to 10.2TF)
What about infinity cache?"better perf myth"... It depends from game to game. Why omit CP2077 and Flight Sim results which show up to 11% higher fps on 6600 XT despite the avg. TF difference seems to be around 6% between 5700 XT (9.9 TF) and 6600 XT (10.6 TF)? Because that would go against your narrative.
11% higher avg. fps
10% higher avg. fps
The 6600 XT also has a massive bandwidth disadvantage compared to 5700 XT, so games favoring more BW will see 5700 XT pulling ahead of 6600 XT. You didn't debunk anything here.
Md Ray
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It isn't enough to bring 6600 XT's bandwidth on par 5700 XT's 448 GB/s.
BootsLoader
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The last of us part 2 is.
BootsLoader
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There is no need to rush. The console is very fresh. The problem here is the optimization or poor port.
Werewolfgrandma
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At 1080p the bw is not an issue most of the time
ToTTenTranz
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There's zero Instructions Per Clock advantage, but by clocking significantly higher the RDNA2 GPUs get higher performance than RDNA1 GPUs with execution units of similar count/width.
The PS5 is faster than the 5700XT due to 15% higher texture and pixel fillrate, while the cache scrubbers and faster access to I/O compensate for the lower available bandwidth.
01011001
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seems like the usual suspects have misunderstood the video entirely, the PS5 comparison is dont in order to find PC settings that save performance and still look very good. hence his suggested settings one should run basically are the PS5 settings.
nothing in this video is made to compare a PC with the PS5, only to show how PS5 settings can lift up your PC performance over the often unnecessary Ultra settings
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assurdum
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This from
And from techpowerup.. those red circle that's where ps5 gpu territory
Again El Analist why people his FPS analysis are completely unreliable let's not talk of the native resolution or the graphic setting he tried to extrapolate.
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Werewolfgrandma
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That and you can compare in this game since drs is available and console isn't using some unavailable CB resolution. Non RT mode of course since PC RT can't scale that low.
assurdum
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Dictator. When the hypocrisy take life
he can when the other shouldn't hearing him.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
So we are measuring graphics like that now?
"let's compare Victoria's Secret model to MY gf. The model looks lovely"
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
when did they say this?
Physiognomonics
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Yep. Just for Xbox. Also MS recently asked them not to compare their games against PC. Their games running on Xbox of course, when it's their games, here Deathloop, running on PS5, not a problem. Do as you wish.
Werewolfgrandma
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That's quite sad. My wife looks better then any model to me.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
And so does my pc compared to yours.
Seems like you resisted the logic in my post.
Md Ray
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They said if they can't find an exact match for console settings on PC, they won't make performance comparisons.
Werewolfgrandma
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No, you should just use a better example.
Md Ray
Member
IIRC, it was only Asobo studios (FS 2020 devs) who asked them to not share the entirety of the spreadsheet, not Microsoft.
In the end, we did get the Xbox settings for Flight Sim in that NVIDIA sponsored vid.
sircaw
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Werewolfgrandma
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Naa, I've just been desperately in love for 20 years. Big fish said it best. There are 2 women in my life. My wife and everyone else.COWARD
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
If you only understand the logic with a better example, then I just don't think anything will get through.
I still belive you did, though. Happy Saturday.
Loxus
Member
Since when a man that design multiple consoles and made multiple patients a liar?
So far everything he said about the PS5 is true.
-Ray Tracing, Decompression, SSD Speed, 3D Audio, Extreme Cooling, etc.
We all know from looking at the PS3 and PS4 how games start to look when they take full advantage of the consoles, and PS5 is no different.
Also, the PS5 is a budget device, comparing it to GPUs that cost much more than the console is just plain retarded. Especially when you take in account for the SSD cost.
The PS5 potential is the sum of it's parts, not just the GPU. It's the developers not optimizing their games to take advantage of the PS5 features is why we have these stupid discussions.
Just like the PS4 having TLOU 2, the PS5 will punch above it's weight and produce games in similar fashion.
01011001
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since he said higher clocks + narrow design is a huge benefit, which it isn't for GPUs, as demonstrated by easy PC tests that show basically no gain in performance when running a narrow high clock GPU vs a wide slower clock GPU that both are pushing the same amount of FLOP/s
I literally posted several screenshots proving this in this thread, where an RDNA1 GPU has almost identical performance compared to an RDNA2 GPU that is in the same ballpark in terms of FLOP/s, and actually the slower clocked RDNA1 card technically had a slight disadvantage in terms of FLOP/s and still managed to basically be on par.
Cerny wants to sell you consoles, so of course he uses marketing speak to tickle fanboy balls
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