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Project Spartacus and PS5 Digital Edition

Justin9mm

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I don’t agree. Why would the PS5 digital edition need to be cheaper? For $100 more than Series S offers a lot more performance. The price is perfectly fine, it’s not competing with Series S, it’s competing with Series X.
Read the OP again..

He is commenting about the PS5 DE with the new PS subscription comparing it with Series S and Gamepass as being a cheap Gamepass machine. My comment is based on that. If we are talking about a console being a cheap 'Spartacus' machine. It would need to be cheaper to compete as being just as good value as Series S and Gamepass which it would not.
 

twilo99

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I don't know how you can call it "perfect" when there is an alternative that is undeniably better. It can be "good enough" or "best value", but the Series X is better than the S in everything outside of price.

All perspective, depending on what the customer perceives as "perfect" .. for someone who doesn't have $500 to spent the series s is perfect, for someone who has disposable income and can afford a xsx the s doesn't even matter... for that same person a $3000 PC could also be the perfect gamepass machine, no?
 
All perspective, depending on what the customer perceives as "perfect" .. for someone who doesn't have $500 to spent the series s is perfect, for someone who has disposable income and can afford a xsx the s doesn't even matter... for that same person a $3000 PC could also be the perfect gamepass machine, no?
Nah. There are pros and cons between consoles and PCs. It's apples to oranges, while the comparison between Series S and X is apples to apples.

There really is nothing better about the S - the S and X do the exact same things, only the X does them better. I can understand someone willing to buy an inferior product because it is cheaper, but there is no denying it is inferior.

It's clearly good enough for some, but being "perfect for GamePass" makes no sense. Series X runs all games better, including GamePass games.
 
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Justin9mm

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Have you got a source for that?
Wut? It's known fact.. They have stated many times they are not yet turning a profit from Gamepass and is a long term strategy that is yet to pay off. That's putting all your eggs in one basket! The amount of money they have expended without profit can be considered as haemorrhaging money.

Seriously, before making drive by comments maybe understand what's going on in the gaming industry before commenting on a gaming forum so you don't look silly.
 

playXray

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Wut? It's known fact.. They have stated many times they are not yet turning a profit from Gamepass and is a long term strategy that is yet to pay off. That's putting all your eggs in one basket! The amount of money they have expended without profit can be considered as haemorrhaging money.

Seriously, before making drive by comments maybe understand what's going on in the gaming industry before commenting on a gaming forum so you don't look silly.
So, you don't have a source for it "haemorrhaging money". That's fine, just wanted to check in case I had missed something.
 
Read the OP again..

He is commenting about the PS5 DE with the new PS subscription comparing it with Series S and Gamepass as being a cheap Gamepass machine. My comment is based on that. If we are talking about a console being a cheap 'Spartacus' machine. It would need to be cheaper to compete as being just as good value as Series S and Gamepass which it would not.
But it doesn’t compete with Series S, that’s a whole different level. If you want a game subscription service but you also want high end gaming the only option is Series X with gamepass. That’s what this would attack, not series S.
 

RydarGaf

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I don't believe that. History tells us that conveniences always won.

It is like arguing that people will reject touch controls - we will have a whole generation soon that have been playing on touch controls since their childhood. Or like people have saying for years that physical won't die but guess what? It is dying and it is dying fast. On PC it basically happened overnight. I am not even sure that modern cases have a slot for disk drive.

Convenience will always win. No need to look for console, no need to go anywhere, don't need to bring your device in other place - take any device you want and start playing. TVs, laptops, mobile phones.
The gaming industry is moving in the direction of 4K gaming, 120fps Framerates, dolby vision HDR, low input Latency, Oled Local Dimming while expecting the hardware that it's running on to be quite as a mouse. On top of that, they want haptic feedback controllers and new magical 3D audio.

If you understand where Im going with this..... then you get the picture....this is NOT happenings on your smart phone, tablet or watch. Cloud Gaming will be nothing more than a bonus perk such as Xcloud added on the top of the main features that people are actually subscribing for such as Day 1 releases gamepass which most will download onto their hard drives.

PS now is a failure, so is Google stadia. Cloud Gaming is good as icing on the cake built on the back of other services that people desire, but it can never be the main attraction. That is why I think Xcloud actually stands a chance and will succeed.
 

Justin9mm

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But it doesn’t compete with Series S, that’s a whole different level. If you want a game subscription service but you also want high end gaming the only option is Series X with gamepass. That’s what this would attack, not series S.
I'm not comparing Series S to PS5 DE! I'm comparing OP's thought of PS5 DE being a cheap 'Spartacus' machine in comparison to Series S being a cheap gamepass machine. If you compare buying one or the other for value purely based on a cheap entry console to access a subscription of games, the Series S as a gamepass machine would be better 'value'. I'm not comparing Series S and PS5 DE on their own at all... If I was then I would tell you that PS5 DE is better value as a console but Spartacus imo is not going to be as good as gamepass if you are looking at games vs cost of entry.
 
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I'm not comparing Series S to PS5 DE! I'm comparing OP's thought of PS5 DE being a cheap 'Spartacus' machine in comparison to Series S being a cheap gamepass machine. If you compare buying one or the other for value purely based on a cheap entry console to access a subscription of games, the Series S as a gamepass machine would be better 'value'. I'm not comparing Series S and PS5 DE on their own at all... If I was then I would tell you that PS5 DE is better value as a console but Spartacus imo is not going to be as good as gamepass if you are looking at games vs cost of entry.
That’s the thing. It wouldn’t be better value, you can’t compare the two of them, they are on different levels. The series S would be the cheapest but not the better value.
 

Justin9mm

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That’s the thing. It wouldn’t be better value, you can’t compare the two of them, they are on different levels. The series S would be the cheapest but not the better value.
Well it depends on what you are wanting it for, cheap subscription with loads of games or performance. If it's only games vs cost we are talking about, I think Gamepass will still always be better value.

I know they are on different levels but we aren't comparing the consoles, just cost of entry to subscription service with the console and the value out of that. Of course PS5 DE wipes the floor with Series S, that's a given. I agree the consoles can't be compared by themselves but that's not what we are talking about.
 
The gaming industry is moving in the direction of 4K gaming, 120fps Framerates, dolby vision HDR, low input Latency, Oled Local Dimming while expecting the hardware that it's running on to be quite as a mouse. On top of that, they want haptic feedback controllers and new magical 3D audio.

If you understand where Im going with this..... then you get the picture....this is NOT happenings on your smart phone, tablet or watch. Cloud Gaming will be nothing more than a bonus perk such as Xcloud added on the top of the main features that people are actually subscribing for such as Day 1 releases gamepass which most will download onto their hard drives.
We need RemindMe functionality here :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Your own list of features does not conflict with cloud streaming at all. In fact it even enhances because all of those features provided by the cloud will allow to run into any small device. I don't really understand people underestimating cloud stream. Sounds like luddites or something. Though the same people said that nobody needs online gaming on consoles, digital libraries won't work because people had slow internet (I remember stuff like how can people download games with 56k) and so on and so on. People even laughted at kinect, while now people are using Amazon Alexa and Apple TV devices.

Server side will improve, more xG towers will be built, client side will be more lightweight and smaller and will do minimal processing while all the heavy lifting will be done by the server to save $ and energy locally.

Society in general is moving towards centralization of computational resources. Servers over local computation.

PS now is a failure, so is Google stadia.
They both failed due to their own issues. PS Now failed due to lack of promotions, small coverage and minimal support. Google Stadia had a very crappy sale model. It would work if it had some integration with Steam aking Geforce Now, but alas.
 
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Sony wont do a service like gamepass because Playstation and Nintendo are making a killing out of selling their games.
But unlike Nintendo Sony has to spend insane amounts of money on marketing their games. The big AAAs are easily tens of millions if not >100m worldwide. I could imagine some kind of discount for subscribers. Something like active 12 months sub = 50% discount or so.
 
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