Punished Miku
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Even RE7 I think was developed primarily for VR, and then also made to work on TVs. They were showing the Kitchen VR demos long before RE7 was announced.
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PSVR2 full specs and details
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Rudius
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He is just assuming PC has better audio than the PS5, because more expensive = better, while ignoring the fact that the PS5 has a very advanced dedicated audio hardware supporting hundreds of sources for a more immersive 3D audio. PCs process with the CPU, just like a PS4 or Xbox One.
RJMacready73
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Can we go back to simply discussing PSVR2 specs and not who has the most gigabobs in their fucking $10k PC... Jesus
MrFunSocks
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Dolby atmos exists on PC too you know.
DonJuanSchlong
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Can we go back to simply discussing PSVR2 specs and not who has the most gigabobs in their fucking $10k PC... Jesus
Keep that same energy for those who equally went off track. If not, stay big mad.
There's Atmos, Sonic, Equalizer APO, and many more, etc. Some people just listen to PR and don't know any better.
Darius87
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Tempest is better then dolby atmos more audio sources 128 vs 5K(PSVR) volume locality, most important HRTF, though we comparing todays vs past tech so of course tempest 3D will be better and it's not yet fully finished product there's room for improvement.
BackBackPunch
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If you know anything about hearing damage, you wouldn't be taking out your ass. Bass doesn't give you hearing damage. I've been in so many 160+ db vehicles. Even felt 170db. It doesn't hurt your hearing at all. As matter a fact, I more than likely have better hearing than YOU. And you obviously know nothing about car audio from the sound of it. 100db, damage, fucking lol. Yeah, you have no clue, no point in going further.
You have got to be one of the most misinformed people I've seen on this forum.
https://electricfieldsfestival.com/is-bass-bad-for-your-ears/
For someone who would rather go blind than lose their hearing, you think you'd spend more than 0 minutes of your life researching how to not destroy your hearing.
R6Rider
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I think the best example of a hybrid flat and VR game currently is Hitman 3.
Gameplay is largely the same with some minor tweaks. There are obvious features that are changed or removed completely, but there are also new features that are added.
Plus all past levels in Hitman 2016 and Hitman 2 are available in VR as well (aside from some special/bonus missions).
Gameplay is largely the same with some minor tweaks. There are obvious features that are changed or removed completely, but there are also new features that are added.
Plus all past levels in Hitman 2016 and Hitman 2 are available in VR as well (aside from some special/bonus missions).
ethomaz
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You need to understand the more he lose his hearing more he will want these high decibel... there is no way back.
So it is a useless discussion.
BTW exposition to constant high decibels increase the blood pressure and risk of heart disease but that is another talk.
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That's true. Some of the best VR games I've played were made for VR specifically HL:Alyx, Astrobot, Moss, Firewall:ZH, Beat saber etc. Didn't really enjoy games where it was shoehorned in like Skyrim VR. There are hybrid VR games though that I enjoy like Ace Combat, Wipeout, Resident Evil 7 and even Dreams. GT Sport was way too limited and blurry to make any judgement on but I'm hoping the next GT game addresses that.
onesvenus
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You are crazy if you really think you'll get 5K different audio objects at once in PS5
People are going to be trying to distinguish between 4,000 different rain drops
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That's all orthogonal to VR where audio-processing is entirely handled by respective SDKs and doesn't go through vendor DSP libraries.
Darius87
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i'm not saying that games would end up with 5K audio sources it's what audio chip inside PS5 is capable off if it would use psvr audio algorhithms.
it's practically possible to do 5K audio sources with PS5.
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Tripolygon
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onesvenus
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You know that those 3d objects you talk about on the Dolby side are postprocessed, don't you? You are comparing oranges to apples but go on
Darius87
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and psvr aren't? that's why it comes with mini box.
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alucard0712_rus
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Yes it's different, but I enjoy my 'vorpx' compatible games no less than pure VR games. Stereoscopic gaming is so much better than 2D. To me it's biggest difference/feature.
Hey tell that to Oculus, Vive etc. They're the ones that built their SDKs that way.
onesvenus
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Ok, you don't know what you are talking about
The Dolby number you are citing is the number of individual audio objects that are supported after mastering. You can have thousands of objects but when "mastering" those get reduced to the 128 that Dolby Atmos supports.
The number you are quoting for Tempest is the number of objects supported before "mastering" them. It will never output more than a hundred.
Disclaimer: I'm using mastering to name the process of mixing down the sound from the multiple 3d sources to what the audio processor outputs although that's not precise.
Tripolygon
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Twas a joke of the futility of trying to explain something to
DonJuanSchlong
You are mixing up different things.Ok, you don't know what you are talking about
The Dolby number you are citing is the number of individual audio objects that are supported after mastering. You can have thousands of objects but when "mastering" those get reduced to the 128 that Dolby Atmos supports.
The number you are quoting for Tempest is the number of objects supported before "mastering" them. It will never output more than a hundred.
Disclaimer: I'm using mastering to name the process of mixing down the sound from the multiple 3d sources to what the audio processor outputs although that's not precise.
Dolby IMF IAB interoperability guidelines institute a maximum of 128 channel count and a maximum of 118 objects. This is for theater and cinema-type implementation. Their audio renderer for games supports much less.
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onesvenus
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Again, those numbers are post-"mastering", multiple pre-"mastering" objects are grouped into a single post-"mastering" one. The same thing happens with Tempest audio but we only have the pre-"mastering" number.Twas a joke of the futility of trying to explain something to
You are mixing up different things.
Dolby IMF IAB interoperability guidelines institute a maximum of 128 channel count and a maximum of 118 objects. This is for theater and cinema-type implementation. Their audio renderer for games supports much less.
Those are not comparable numbers.
Do you all really think that Sony outclassed Dolby by more than 50 times? Really? Progress in tech is usually done incrementally, not orders of magnitude at a time
Darius87
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That's 128 individual tracks not audio objectsOk, you don't know what you are talking about
The Dolby number you are citing is the number of individual audio objects that are supported after mastering.
(i guess you never used DAW)tracks can be assigned to channels , left, right, center and so on... it depends what speaker configuration is used.
that's not true PS5 supports hundreds that's multiple of 100 at minimum 200 i guess that what you call after master
you master whole output of your audio not 128 tracks
do you know numbers of atmos before mixing 3d sources? afterall atmos is 2012 tech while it's not 50 times worse then tempest but it's worst doesn't have HRTF, definetely less 3d sources, does it even support ambisonics? does it works in frequency FFT domain?
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Tripolygon
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I don't really understand what you mean by pre-mastering and post-mastering objects. Granted I'm not a sound engineer just an enthusiast of technology in all domains so forgive me if you are a sound engineer and I'm mistaken but Dolby explicitly states what their guidelines are in their IMF documentation of how to implement their technology to ensure interoperability and what their renderer is capable of. This has nothing to do with what Sony has created for PS5, there are other formats like DTS X that support more than Dolby Atmos as well.
Dolby Support Page
How many objects can I/should I use?
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Alexios
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PlayStation VR2 and PlayStation VR2 Sense controller: the next generation of VR gaming on PS5
Horizon Call of the Mountain from Guerrilla and Firesprite revealed for PS VR2
blog.playstation.com
Edit: the HMD itself also has all kinds of sensors within, I don't get that, the inside out tracking is enough even in the worst VR kits to perfectly track position/movement at all times
Also hope the eye tracking is fast enough for foveated rendering, not just expressions/gameplay related stuff (DecaGear disappointed me with hinting it's only going for the latter sadly).
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ethomaz
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Thanks god it is confirmed to be wired… single cable USB-C.PlayStation VR2 and PlayStation VR2 Sense controller: the next generation of VR gaming on PS5
Horizon Call of the Mountain from Guerrilla and Firesprite revealed for PS VR2
The same high quality for everybody.
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Is this post trying to rationalise wired over wireless?
dotnotbot
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PlayStation VR2 and PlayStation VR2 Sense controller: the next generation of VR gaming on PS5
Horizon Call of the Mountain from Guerrilla and Firesprite revealed for PS VR2
blog.playstation.com
- OLED
- 2000×2040 per eye
- 90/120 Hz
- HDR
- eye tracking
- "responsive feedback"
- foveated rendering
- 110-degree field of view
ethomaz
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Hum? Wired is better than wireless even on Quest 2.
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In terms of the quality of the connection yes, in terms of user experience which I think is more important, I don't think so. The variability in wireless connection doesn't seem to be a huge issue for quest 2 users.
Rivet
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PlayStation VR2 and PlayStation VR2 Sense controller: the next generation of VR gaming on PS5
Horizon Call of the Mountain from Guerrilla and Firesprite revealed for PS VR2
- OLED
- 2000×2040 per eye
- 90/120 Hz
- HDR
- eye tracking
- "responsive feedback"
- foveated rendering
- 110-degree field of view
Wow, eye tracking foveated rendering is in, great news. That will help immensely with VR graphics if it works properly.
Leak was basically right on everything.
Rivet
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Yes, I played Alyx on my Quest 2 wirelessly using Oculus Air Link, that was awesome. Wireless VR rocks. I didn't study the subject very well, but why couldn't PSVR2 do the same, especially knowing that PS5 has Wifi 6 ? Why would it be impossible to stream games from PS5 ? I'm in anyway if wired, it's the only real negative for me...
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SilentUser
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I was surprised to see how righ the leak was lol and thats absolutely great, as some of the things pointed sounded almost a dream.
MasterCornholio
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Yes I wonder if that leak had anything else that wasn't announced. It would be interesting to look at it again.
Edit: The leak mentioned pushing AAA games that will offer both a VR mode and a regular one. I hope thats true.
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Pedro Motta
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What a fucking moron. Comparing that multi thousand dollar audio setup to a 400$ console and bragging it’s better. Small dick energy through and through. Why are you in this thread? You’re not adding anything to it.
yurinka
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"the NGVR will have foveated rendering and a system called flexible scaling resolution (FSR), both of which focus processing power on where the player is looking, so will also feature eye tracking.
Also, the rumoured headset-based haptics are going to be included to aid immersion as well as reduce motion sickness which could be an interesting development.
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As for the videogames, the report suggests Sony wants to move away from “VR experiences” to focus entirely on console-quality AAA videogames. These would also be hybrid titles that could be played in VR or regularly on a flatscreen. This could work for some VR videogames but certainly not all of them. Players would also have the choice as to whether they download the VR or flatscreen version.
And for those who still love their original PlayStation VR titles, these could be remastered to make use of the new hardware.
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The new report does go onto say that the VR controllers will feature capacitive touch sensors to detect how far away fingers are.
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PlayStation VR 2 Leak Lists Rumoured Specs & AAA Game Focus - GMW3
New rumors regarding the PSVR2 abound.
www.vrfocus.com
Not necessarily, one of my favorite VR games is Skyrim VR and cmon that released in 2011. Although you're right, it will be difficult for non-1st-person games. Also surprisingly 3D VR works really well for platformers, I used Vorpx to play Little Nightmares in 3D and the depth it adds is really cool.
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You have to try Miles Morales or Returnal, the best gameplay 3D audio I've ever heard and I use atmos on my PC.
Sosokrates
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I never said no use cant be had from vr intergration in TV games. Just stating what is optimal.
But let us be real here, sony are doing this so they can offer content to tv players and VR players, on paper its seems like a good idea but history has shown it does not work out to well the majority of the time.
SLB1904
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change your avatar fraud
R6Rider
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The only way I'd buy GTA V again is with a VR release of it.
Still holding off on RE Village in hopes it gets VR as well.
dotnotbot
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I've got platinum trophy in Superhot VR on PS VR. Had no issues with cable at all, protip is to keep the dangling bit in your pocket so you don't step on it. After doing that I would forget the cable even exists.
The only problems for me were inreliable controller tracking that would sometimes go bananas and that my face would go all sweaty pretty fast so I needed frequent breaks to dry up snd clean the headset and lenses.
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GhostOfTsu
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The avatar needs to go. The biggest Playstation hater on GAF has a PS avatar? Troll
SLB1904
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