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They are ashamed, because the Saturn can't do transparencies properly.
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Shifty1897
Member
Considering I've bought the Genesis collection THREE times, I think I would end up doing the same with a $60 Saturn collection on current gen machines.
01011001
Banned
it can do transparencies but it was harder to pull off. also on TVs at the time the good old checkerboard transparency trick worked pretty well
Kokoloko85
Member
I dont know tbh. Nothing to be ashamed of though. Yes it lacked the amazing 3D titles of the generation like MGS, Mario 64, Resident Evil 2,Zelda OOT, Gran Turismo etc, the Saturn was still an amazing console. The better versions of the 2D fighting too
Saturn had some of the best JRPG’s, behind PS1 & Snes. Grandia. Suikoden, Shining Force 3 parts 1, 2 & 3, Panzer Dragoon , Dragon Force, Luna 2, Albert Odessey. Saturn also had the best 2D fighters and Shoot em ups of the generation. Street fighter series, Marvel cross overs, KOF, Mortal Kombat etc
Plus classics like Castlevania Symphony of the Night, Guardian Heroes, Radiant Silver Gun, Die Hard Aracde, Elevator action, Resident Evil, Saturn Bomberman etc
Id love a virtual console esc store with Megadrive/Genesis, Saturn and Dreamcast games
Saturn had some of the best JRPG’s, behind PS1 & Snes. Grandia. Suikoden, Shining Force 3 parts 1, 2 & 3, Panzer Dragoon , Dragon Force, Luna 2, Albert Odessey. Saturn also had the best 2D fighters and Shoot em ups of the generation. Street fighter series, Marvel cross overs, KOF, Mortal Kombat etc
Plus classics like Castlevania Symphony of the Night, Guardian Heroes, Radiant Silver Gun, Die Hard Aracde, Elevator action, Resident Evil, Saturn Bomberman etc
Id love a virtual console esc store with Megadrive/Genesis, Saturn and Dreamcast games
Honey Bunny
Member
Its true. I mean we had dreamcast ports on the psp. Never see a peep about saturn games.
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
Actually, let's make this a sort of challenge. Sega Saturn Classic Mini, but you''re not allowed to use any Sega Model 2 arcade ports (Because these will always be better in a Yakuza game), Japan-only releases (unless they eventually got a western release post-Saturn, if only because that let's me add one game that wouldn't otherwise), licensed games, or retro rerelease compilations. Here's what I can think of:
1) Bug!/Too
2) Mr. Bones
3) Dragon Force
4) Three Dirty Dwarves
5) Dark Savior
6) Legend of Oasis
7) Guardian Heroes
8) Fighters Megamix
9) Daytona USA Circuit Edition (Technically cheating but we're nearly at 10 and I'm already drawing blanks.)
10) Sonic R
11) Panzer Dragoon/Zwei
12) Panzer Dragoon Saga
13) Shining The Holy Ark
14) Shining Wisdom
15) Radiant Silvergun
16) Virtua FIghter Remix
17) Stellar Assault SS
18) NiGHTs into Dreams
19) Burning Rangers
20) Astel
21) ...?
Anyway, as to the thread question; Sega Saturn emulation is difficult and most of Sega's work on that was ports of arcade titles that they already rerelease in other forms. They aren't ignoring the Saturn as you can see with the Panzer Dragoon remakes, but they're not going to be able to milk it in any close to how they milk the Genesis/Megadrive's legacy.
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01011001
Banned
that is a weird limitation... the PS1 classic also had games on it that had way better versions available, including arcade versions
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
The PS1 Classic had a version of Tekken 3 that was arguably inferior the actual version of Tekken 3 released on retail Playstations, so that's not exactly a good thing to bring up.
The reason that exclusion is even there is because Sega is not going to release a Saturn Classic Mini with the exact same library as a Sega Astro City Model II Classic Mini.
01011001
Banned
the version on the PS Classic was a Pal version that ran at 50fps and then upsampled to 60hz with stutters and latency
so nah, that version was shit no matter what lolstill I would put arcade ports on there as that is what such a device is about, it's about nostalgia not about playing the best versions of games
Badlucktroll
Member
The saturn port of resident evil has the exclusive tick enemy, so its the superior version!
The Pleasure
Member
I always wanted to play panzer dragoon saga, but every time i see the price, this starts playing
cireza
Member
There are many instances of great transparency on the console. It was up to the developer to achieve this, the console could do it.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
I had a japanese Saturn at launch. I loved my MD, NG and SFC but being a kid playing Virtua Fighter at home was something special in 1994.
MasterDerico
Member
Saturn has one of the best games ever made: Guardian Heroes. And a lot of great games from sega itself, i love all my Sega consoles!
Some great hidden Gems also, like Groove on Fight, Rabbit, Sonic Council, Crows...etc
(Yes i know the GH remake on Xbox 360, its just perfect).
Some great hidden Gems also, like Groove on Fight, Rabbit, Sonic Council, Crows...etc
(Yes i know the GH remake on Xbox 360, its just perfect).
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Captain Toad
Banned
They seem to want to forget they ever made a console not called the Genesis.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
There are so many other games to put on there that are not really available anywhere else. Most of the games you listed are available. VF2, Daytona, Nights, SF3, Tomb Raider, Quake, Duke Nukem, Powerslave (just released).
The Panzer games would be good, along with Burning Rangers, Shining Force 3, Albert Odyssey, Dark Savior, Mr. Bones, Saturn Bomberman, Dragonforce, Enemy Zero, Policenauts, Guardian Heroes......etc.....ones that aren't readily available.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Saturn was junk unless you loved Sega and Capcom arcade games and some niche Japanese games.
Their awesome sports games during Genesis (EA and Sega Sports) were awful on Saturn. That hit Sega's image hard as their sports lineup was a key genre that defined Genesis in terms of quality and tv ads.
PS games were overall much better, had better 3D and important for many people the system was even cheaper to boot.
Their awesome sports games during Genesis (EA and Sega Sports) were awful on Saturn. That hit Sega's image hard as their sports lineup was a key genre that defined Genesis in terms of quality and tv ads.
PS games were overall much better, had better 3D and important for many people the system was even cheaper to boot.
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Sneakysnake
Member
Drives me nuts when ppl use "are" instead of is when it comes to the name of a company. Example: "Are sony going to release a game pass competitor?". See ...sounds ridiculous, right? I mean...we are talking about ONE company here, right? It's not a plural. Sure there are multiple ppl that work for the company but it's the individual company we are talking about. You wouldn't say, "Canada are the greatest country in the world". Of course not.
Plus, you actually use are and is interchangeably in your post. Pick a lane...the correct lane. Please join me in shaming all who try to sound interesting or "smart" by using "are" instead of "is".
Mr Hyde
Member
English is not my first language.
Sneakysnake
Member
Ahhh. Sorry! It's not just you, it's a new trend I've noticed on many game websites. Im not trying to be that jerk making fun of someone who speaks more languages than me! You're good. It's a thing that native English speakers have started doing though and it drives me nuts because they should know better and it ends up making our already confusing language even more complicated to learn and I won't stand for it! Haha.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Why would you care about a forum user's spelling and grammar on a fourm?
You forgot to put an apostrophe yourself in the word "I'm".
lyan
Member
Seems like an unnecessary restriction when they didn't care to release an english version of the astro city mini themselves and relied on Limited Run Games for the US release
Sneakysnake
Member
Because I'm extremely petty
alabtrosMyster
Banned
It was almost the worst possible version of a PlayStation classic that could be made... It's sad, but I'm happy that it did not succeed the way it was made... It's only good as a raspberry Pi case that you can use as a proper emulation box.
I would legit pay $60 each for a model 2 fighter collection and a model 2 racer collection. (X2 more for model3 as well)
Mr Hyde
Member
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
the Saturn didn't catch the zeitgeist, but it houses a great and rich library of games, many of them still exclusive to the platform.
Sneakysnake
Member
Yes, really. It says it right there where you quoted me. My complaint is with people who ppl who purposely use "are" in order to "try to sound interesting or smart". Is that you? If it is then yes, I stand by my criticism of your decision to purposely speak. If you're purposely going with that new grammatically incorrect trend just to go with the crowd and appear "hip" then I say to you, Boo! Hiss! Shame! BOOOOO!
If you just made and honest mistake then I have zero criticism and once again I apologize for being presumptuous. But again to those of you purposely using "are" instead of "is" be warned, I will be commenting to annoy you! This isn't over!
lostinblue
Banned
Sega Saturn is hard to emulate and port things from. In quite a few cases they lost the source code in some others they would need to rework the games extensively.
That said, in some cases they did as Sega Ages did port quite a few games a decade ago.
Virtua Fighter 2
Nights Into Dreams
Dragon Force
Fighting Vipers
Last Bronx
Panzer Dragoon 1
Probably not enough for a collection.
That said, in some cases they did as Sega Ages did port quite a few games a decade ago.
Virtua Fighter 2
Nights Into Dreams
Dragon Force
Fighting Vipers
Last Bronx
Panzer Dragoon 1
Probably not enough for a collection.
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
Most international people who bought an Astro City Mini imported the Japanese version anyway. As is what would happen with a Sega Saturn Mini, even if it didn't have Japanese-exclusive entries.
Scotty W
Gold Member
You could import all those games for about the same price.
Big Saturn fan, but it didn't really have that many breakthrough hits. It's biggest claim to fame in Japan were Model 2 ports.Though I do prefer Sega Rally & VF2 on Saturn for their extra content.
NiGHTS, probably the most famous Saturn original game, has modern port. Sonic R, attached to Sega's biggest IP, did reappear. Sakura Wars was another notable Saturn release, and has gotten rereleases.
NiGHTS, probably the most famous Saturn original game, has modern port. Sonic R, attached to Sega's biggest IP, did reappear. Sakura Wars was another notable Saturn release, and has gotten rereleases.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
ahaha
though to be fair, proper transparencies are possible on the saturn (and're found in some games), but the checkerboard garbage was far easier to implement.
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cinnamonandgravy
Member
saturn never had that "wow" moment for me.
NiGHTs's gameplay was so dull.
NiGHTs's gameplay was so dull.
Vangellis
Member
Saturn was awesome if you were into imports. I was huge into fighting games and shumps, and it delivered big time. They should be ashamed of Sega CD or the 32X. I remember feeling so burned as a kid when I got a Sega CD. Yeah had a few good games, but it was definitely a bigger disappointment to me than the Saturn.
So we're allowed to list Grandia and silhouette mirage becasue although they were originally saturn they did come out eventually on the PS1, right?
Oh, Shining Force 3.
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
I guess Grandia and SM would work but the precedent of the PC-Engine Mini suggests that even if a game has an English version, if the platform had a Japan-only release, it's gonna be raw Japanese.
And I'd hate to have only 1/3rd of a game, so no Shining Force III unless somehow all the scenarios are present.
Kokoloko85
Member
Id add Shining Force 3, my favourite game of all time.
I know what you mean but why not have some Arcade amd 3rd party games? Plus Japanese only games translated?
Considering some of Nes, Megadrive, Snes and Playstation Mini had some Japan only and 3rd party titles, why not add some of those in the mix. Snes mini even had an unreleased game.
For my dream Saturn Mini, Id have the list you mentioned and Plus:
Shining. Force 3, parts 1, 2 & 3
Dragon Force 2
Die Hard Arcade
Elevator Action Returns
Dodon Pachi
Saturn Bomberman
Grandia
Albert Odessy or another Japan only JRPG like Sakura Taisen etc
Batsugun
Virtua Fighter 2
Sega Rally
Last Bronx
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Xmen vs Street Fighter
Marvel vs Street Fighter
KOF 97 + 98
Steep Slope Sliders
Baku Baku Animal
CastleVania Symphony of the Night
Another shoot em up - Soukyugurentai or Battle Garegga or Layer Section etc Even Salamander
xpresstuning
Member
Since we're making lists, i gotta say my dream Saturn Mini would be:
Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari (a masterpiece of a hidden gem amongst an ocean of hidden gems, showcasing the absolute best 2D graphics the Sega Saturn is capable of)
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Dragon Force
Shinning Force III (Scenario 1, 2 and 3)
Layer Section (Galactic Attack in US)
Darius Gaiden
Street Fighter Zero 3 (definitive version of the home console port with a large amount of single-player content and Saturn exclusive enhancements, any other version in any collection is the arcade port missing all this content)
Keiou Yuugekitai - Katsugeki-hen (Keio Flying Squadron 2, also released in PAL regions but plays slower and that's not good)
Nights into Dreams (simply iconic game)
Burning Rangers (as iconic as Nights, completely unique and with a surprisingly decent camera system for an early 3D third person action game)
Cotton 2: Magical Night Dreams
Kisuishou Densetsu Astal (Astal, but the import because it's easier than the US release as it was intended purely as a technical 2D showpiece)
Saturn Bomberman
Guardian Heroes
Radiant Silvergun
Samurai Spirits: Amakusa Kourin (Samurai Shodown IV) (gotta represent SNK with a stellar port of the best SS game)
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special (gotta represent SNK with a stellar port of the best FF game)
Bulk Slash
Hyper Duel
Twinkle Star Sprites (definitive version is stuck on the Saturn with loads of exclusive content)
Soukyugurentai
Batsugun
Virtua Fighter 2 (gotta represent Model 2, and it's an excellent port)
Sega Rally Championship (gotta represent Model 2, and it's an excellent port with phenomenally good controls)
X-men vs. Street Fighter or Marvel vs. Street Fighter (they're both fantastic vs. games, but they're different enough to make it a hard choice for one vs. to represent. It's a coin flip)
Policenauts (easy access to the best version of a legendary Kojima adventure game)
Elevator Action Returns (essential co-op game)
Fire Pro Gaiden Blazing Tornado (not a fan of wrestling games at all, but this one is worth it. It's sort of like the Punch-Out! of wrestling games with unique presentation & characters, gorgeous 2D artstyle and fun gameplay)
Magic Knight Rayearth (iconic as being the last US Saturn release, and overall a great 2D role playing game)
Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari (a masterpiece of a hidden gem amongst an ocean of hidden gems, showcasing the absolute best 2D graphics the Sega Saturn is capable of)
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Dragon Force
Shinning Force III (Scenario 1, 2 and 3)
Layer Section (Galactic Attack in US)
Darius Gaiden
Street Fighter Zero 3 (definitive version of the home console port with a large amount of single-player content and Saturn exclusive enhancements, any other version in any collection is the arcade port missing all this content)
Keiou Yuugekitai - Katsugeki-hen (Keio Flying Squadron 2, also released in PAL regions but plays slower and that's not good)
Nights into Dreams (simply iconic game)
Burning Rangers (as iconic as Nights, completely unique and with a surprisingly decent camera system for an early 3D third person action game)
Cotton 2: Magical Night Dreams
Kisuishou Densetsu Astal (Astal, but the import because it's easier than the US release as it was intended purely as a technical 2D showpiece)
Saturn Bomberman
Guardian Heroes
Radiant Silvergun
Samurai Spirits: Amakusa Kourin (Samurai Shodown IV) (gotta represent SNK with a stellar port of the best SS game)
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special (gotta represent SNK with a stellar port of the best FF game)
Bulk Slash
Hyper Duel
Twinkle Star Sprites (definitive version is stuck on the Saturn with loads of exclusive content)
Soukyugurentai
Batsugun
Virtua Fighter 2 (gotta represent Model 2, and it's an excellent port)
Sega Rally Championship (gotta represent Model 2, and it's an excellent port with phenomenally good controls)
X-men vs. Street Fighter or Marvel vs. Street Fighter (they're both fantastic vs. games, but they're different enough to make it a hard choice for one vs. to represent. It's a coin flip)
Policenauts (easy access to the best version of a legendary Kojima adventure game)
Elevator Action Returns (essential co-op game)
Fire Pro Gaiden Blazing Tornado (not a fan of wrestling games at all, but this one is worth it. It's sort of like the Punch-Out! of wrestling games with unique presentation & characters, gorgeous 2D artstyle and fun gameplay)
Magic Knight Rayearth (iconic as being the last US Saturn release, and overall a great 2D role playing game)
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01.) NiGHTS into Dreams...
02.) Burning Rangers
03.) Sonic 3D Blast
04.) Sonic R
05.) Sonic Jam
06.) Panzer Dragoon
07.) Panzer Dragoon Zwei
08.) Panzer Dragoon Saga
09.) Tomb Raider
10.) Radiant Silvergun
11.) Guardian Heroes
12.) Die Hard Arcade
13.) Virtua Fighter Remix
14.) Fighters Megamix
15.) All Star Wrestling Featuring Virtua
16.) Power Slave
17.) Shining Force III
18.) World Series Baseball 98
19.) Worldwide Soccer 98
20.) Sakura Wars
The sports games don't have too many licenses so it might be possible, and Sakura Wars has a fan translation so maybe Sega can pay them for it.
nush
Member
We modded our Saturns with 50/60Htz switches, it's all good.
cireza
Member
We already had a couple threads in the past.
Here was my list, I made an update to fit your request :
- Burning Rangers
- Deep Fear
Digital Pinball : NecronomiconDigital Pinball : Last Gladiators- Dragon Force
Elevator Action ReturnsWorms- Exhumed
- Guardian Heroes
- Nights
- Panzer Dragoon Zwei
- Panzer Dragoon Saga
Radiant SilvergunGalactic Attack- Saturn Bomberman
Sega RallyWipeout 2097- Shining Force III
- Steep Slope Sliders
- Story of Thor 2
Virtua Cop 2Sonic 3DVirtua Fighter 2Fighters MegamixVirtual OnTomb RaiderX-Men VS Street FighterNight Warriors
- King of Fighters 95
- Dragon Ball Z (I don't see any reason to exclude this series ?)
- Sonic R
- Duke Nukem 3D
- Quake
- Resident Evil
- Destruction Derby
- Dark Savior
- X-Men COTA
- Mystaria
- Hexen
- Scorcher
- Megaman 8
- Astal
- Clockwork Knight 1 & 2
- Bug and Bug Too
- Alien Trilogy (this is licensed)
- Darius II & Gaiden
- Parodius
- Enemy Zero
- Golden Axe the Duel
- Keio 2
- MK Trilogy
- Rayman
- Need for Speed
- Road Rash
- Shining the Holy Ark
- Shinobi X
- Street Fighter Alpha 2
- Street Racer
- Magic Knight Rayearth
- Albert Odyssey
- Etc...
If a SEGA Saturn Mini came to exist, arcade ports from SEGA would definitely be there. This would add great ports such as Die Hard Arcade or Last Bronx.
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