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Fable might have been scaled down due to engine issues and lack of wrpg expertise. Could release later than expected.

We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"

Halo: Infinite

  • Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
  • Game gets delayed a year
  • Game launches feature light
  • Game has missing features to this day
Hellblade 2

  • Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
  • Trailer turns out to be CGI
  • Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
  • Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Starfield

  • Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
  • Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
  • Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
  • Game get delayed
Redfall

  • Little information about the game
  • Microsoft said it will release on time
  • Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Forza 5

  • Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
  • Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
  • Only runs at 30fps.
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?

When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).

Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.

There's no shame in wanting better.
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johnjohn

Member
We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"

Halo: Infinite

  • Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
  • Game gets delayed a year
  • Game launches feature light
  • Game has missing features to this day
Hellblade 2

  • Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
  • Trailer turns out to be CGI
  • Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
  • Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Starfield

  • Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
  • Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
  • Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
  • Game get delayed
Redfall

  • Little information about the game
  • Microsoft said it will release on time
  • Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Forza 5

  • Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
  • Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
  • Only runs at 30fps.
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?

When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).

Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.

There's no shame in wanting better.
You didn't think this post through did you lol?
 

Kssio_Aug

Member
We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"

Halo: Infinite

  • Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
  • Game gets delayed a year
  • Game launches feature light
  • Game has missing features to this day
Hellblade 2

  • Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
  • Trailer turns out to be CGI
  • Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
  • Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Starfield

  • Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
  • Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
  • Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
  • Game get delayed
Redfall

  • Little information about the game
  • Microsoft said it will release on time
  • Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Forza 5

  • Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
  • Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
  • Only runs at 30fps.
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?

When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).

Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.

There's no shame in wanting better.
Sad Ben Affleck GIF
 
Where did he say all of that ?
You're having a laugh, right? We had a thread not long ago discussing how starfield was going to be delayed, before the official announcement that it was delayed. Go back and read that thread.
You didn't think this post through did you lol?
Good contribution to the discussion of games on a gaming forum.
Every thread you deflect and put your fingers in your ears. If you're not going to contribute then to the discussion then don't respond.





Ironic that both of you will pay for gold to support this website, then bring down the reputation of the site by posting lazy 'edgy' images and gifs instead of engaging. Good job.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
No shock here, glad she set the record straight for the armchair would be developers making this sound more negative then normal

Yes, she's a senior producer on the project, but if you check her Twitter bio you'll see she joined the project this Feb.

That should tell you all you need to know. Game is very likely 2+ years out and they'll only have a design and probably a vertical slice/proof of concept build done at the moment. So even though plans are firm, there's still plenty of latitude for change over the remaining time.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You're having a laugh, right? We had a thread not long ago discussing how starfield was going to be delayed, before the official announcement that it was delayed. Go back and read that thread


Where did Phil Spencer say Starfield won't get delayed, or Hellblade wasn't CGI, or Halo will launch 'feature complete' ?
 
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Kssio_Aug

Member
You're having a laugh, right? We had a thread not long ago discussing how starfield was going to be delayed, before the official announcement that it was delayed. Go back and read that thread.

Good contribution to the discussion of games on a gaming forum.

Every thread you deflect and put your fingers in your ears. If you're not going to contribute then to the discussion then don't respond.






Ironic that both of you will pay for gold to support this website, then bring down the reputation of the site by posting lazy 'edgy' images and gifs instead of engaging. Good job.
I won my gold!
Dave Chappelle Im Rich Bitch GIF


But there's not much discussion to be had on what you said. Because a lot of it was just untrue.
 
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Where did Phil Spencer say Starfield won't get delayed, or Hellblade was CGI, or Halo will launch 'feature complete' ?
You seriously want me to respond to this? So that when I show you the quotes you go "nuh uh, you said he said it wasn't CGI when aclkshually he said "it was in game footage""?

I know the schtick of disingenuous debating, spare me.

And if you think the xbox is doing OK, or better-than-ever now compared to the past, then more power to you, because you can't have lived through the OG xbox or xbox 360 days.
 

Xenon

Member
What they should have done is Horizon giv3 a few years off and put everybody on this.
 
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TBiddy

Member
The most interesting part of this thread is which account Frank Horrigan used to have.

Making claims and then refusing to back them up is getting old. I'm really interested to see when Phil Spencer said Starfield wouldn't be delayed, that Hellblade wasn't CGI or that Halo would launch "feature complete".
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
True, but they still are just a racing dev, even if they are the best in what they do it is not crazy to imagine they will have a hard time to transition to a real game with a universe, story, characters, dialogues, motion capture, quests, sidequests, gameplay mechanics, etc.


At this point, there’s no way you haven’t seen the multiple posts showing the experienced hires they’ve made since they game was greenlit. Multiple industry veterans!
Spouting the ‘they only have racing experience’ line is misinformation.

We don't know nothing about the game and we already have an Xbox Ambassador spilling the beans and a senior producer doing damage control. This is not normal.

Here’s the description for Xbox Ambassadors

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Can you show me where it says ‘Xbox Ambassadors’ will have any access to insider knowledge?

Imagine stacking up a random YouTuber to an actual Senior Producer working in Playground…or even the interview with the Spanish dev last month where development was described in positive terms.
 
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Every thread you deflect and put your fingers in your ears. If you're not going to contribute then to the discussion then don't respond.
That's not true. Sometimes I actually post slightly seriously.

I just think it was obvious your post was a giant wall of only the most negative things you could think of, and didn't come off as balanced.
  • It's fine to criticize Halo for it's content roll-out and missing features. But it's also fair to note that it reviewed well, is generally extremely fun to play. Everyone has known 343 has issues for a while now. I don't see many people denying that. Compared to some of their previous issues, they at least seem to have gotten the core gameplay right, which is pretty important.
  • Forza missing ray tracing is just not that big a deal when Gran Turismo is as well, and ray tracing basically doesn't even hardly exist on current gen consoles outside of a few Insomniac games where I barely notice it. That is my actual opinion. Ray tracing is just not something I expect to see at all this entire gen in any meaningful way. And Forza runs at 60fps, even performing well on last gen consoles.
  • Hellblade 2, I don't know what the huge issue is here either. The game is coming along slowly. They haven't delayed or announced a release date. It looks good visually. My main issue is just waiting to see what the actual gameplay looks like. You mention Unreal 5 barely being ready, and on that point I agree - it sucks. I've criticized the slow rollout of Unreal 5 relative to the launch of this gen on multiple occasions. Maybe it was a dumb decision of MS to invest in it this early. I guess we'll see. Seems like more of a mistake on Epic's part honestly, and MS is paying the price for betting on Unreal with Ninja Theory and the Coalition. Hopefully they can eventually see some benefit from that, but I don't know if I'm actually mad at MS for working on Unreal 5. I think lots of people are.
  • Redfall. Looks like shit, not my type of game. I have zero interest in it. Your criticism on that is fine. The rollout of this so far has been a joke. I don't know anyone that genuinely defends Redfall.
  • Perfect Dark: You didn't even mention this one. The reports on this one seem fairly corroborated, so that is a huge black eye for MS management ability.
That's pretty much the full extent of the issues that we know of. They still have like another 20 studios we don't really know about their plans yet.

When I read through that whole list, the only main thing sticking out to me is that Halo has some issues, and the Initiative rumors. I genuinely think most everything else as far as we can tell - is mostly fine. You also didn't mention Flight Simulator, or Psychonauts 2, so we might as well throw in a compliment when they do something well.

And after this exhaustive recounting of shit everyone already knows, this is exactly why I usually just throw out some jokes. Because nothing here is new or interesting. E3 is in 2 weeks, and we'll know some more then.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"

Halo: Infinite

  • Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
  • Game gets delayed a year
  • Game launches feature light
  • Game has missing features to this day
Hellblade 2

  • Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
  • Trailer turns out to be CGI
  • Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
  • Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Starfield

  • Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
  • Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
  • Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
  • Game get delayed
Redfall

  • Little information about the game
  • Microsoft said it will release on time
  • Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Forza 5

  • Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
  • Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
  • Only runs at 30fps.
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?

When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).

Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.

There's no shame in wanting better.


The bulk of this is false BS 😀

Why would you lie because of video games?

You know the Hellblade reveal was announced as ‘in-engine’, not gameplay as you claim.
You know the announcement of Hellblade 2 using UE5 was made in June 2020 and partners already had access to early versions.

You know nobody ever promised Forza Horizon 5 would have Ray tracing in races at 60fps. You know the game runs at a 60fps performance mode.


Imagine claiming Forza was ‘mismanaged’. How does that make any sense? Or claiming delays for Starfield - which has been delayed in line with the bulk of AAA releases in the past few years - means the whole project is mismanaged. Or even giving credence to a rumor from a low credibility YouTuber.


Again, it’s just video games. No need to misinform.
 
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Chukhopops

Member
We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"

Halo: Infinite

  • Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
  • Game gets delayed a year
  • Game launches feature light
  • Game has missing features to this day
Hellblade 2

  • Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
  • Trailer turns out to be CGI
  • Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
  • Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Starfield

  • Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
  • Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
  • Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
  • Game get delayed
Redfall

  • Little information about the game
  • Microsoft said it will release on time
  • Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Forza 5

  • Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
  • Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
  • Only runs at 30fps.
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?

When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).

Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.

There's no shame in wanting better.
Forza Horizon 5 runs at 30 fps? And when did they say it would be 60 fps RT? Never happened.

And games are always supposed to release on time until they are delayed. That’s the whole idea of a delay and there have been quite a few of them outside of MS first party.

Extremely retarded take even by Spencer hater standards.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
At this point, there’s no way you haven’t seen the multiple posts showing the experienced hires they’ve made since they game was greenlit. Multiple industry veterans!
Spouting the ‘they only have racing experience’ line is misinformation.



Here’s the description for Xbox Ambassadors

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Can you show me where it says ‘Xbox Ambassadors’ will have any access to insider knowledge?

Imagine stacking up a random YouTuber to an actual Senior Producer working in Playground…or even the interview with the Spanish dev last month where development was described in positive terms.

Anyone with a Microsoft account can become an Xbox Ambassador. There really isn't much to it.
 
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That's not true. Sometimes I actually post slightly seriously.

I just think it was obvious your post was a giant wall of only the most negative things you could think of, and didn't come off as balanced.
  • It's fine to criticize Halo for it's content roll-out and missing features. But it's also fair to note that it reviewed well, is generally extremely fun to play. Everyone has known 343 has issues for a while now. I don't see many people denying that. Compared to some of their previous issues, they at least seem to have gotten the core gameplay right, which is pretty important.
Personally my biggest issue with Halo is that they were so close to making such a good Halo game and fell short at the hurdle. I can't help but wonder 'what if', if Spencer had taken more of a hands-on role or pushed 343i more. But after a 12 months delay, the craig incident and the abysmal roll out of missing features, I find it hard to give 343i or Spencer, any more lee-way on excuses.
  • Forza missing ray tracing is just not that big a deal when Gran Turismo is as well, and ray tracing basically doesn't even hardly exist on current gen consoles outside of a few Insomniac games where I barely notice it. That is my actual opinion. Ray tracing is just not something I expect to see at all this entire gen in any meaningful way. And Forza runs at 60fps, even performing well on last gen consoles.
True, and i was being overly-critical of Forza to show the poor messaging from Xbox. FWIW Playground games are one of the best studios in the industry and have consistently knocked it out of the park. Horizon 2 on the X1X is probably the best looking game of last generation.
  • Hellblade 2, I don't know what the huge issue is here either. The game is coming along slowly. They haven't delayed or announced a release date. It looks good visually. My main issue is just waiting to see what the actual gameplay looks like. You mention Unreal 5 barely being ready, and on that point I agree - it sucks. I've criticized the slow rollout of Unreal 5 relative to the launch of this gen on multiple occasions. Maybe it was a dumb decision of MS to invest in it this early. I guess we'll see. Seems like more of a mistake on Epic's part honestly, and MS is paying the price for betting on Unreal with Ninja Theory and the Coalition. Hopefully they can eventually see some benefit from that, but I don't know if I'm actually mad at MS for working on Unreal 5. I think lots of people are.
I'll put money on Hellblade making an appearence at the microsoft event, which i believe is going to be the best event they have done in years. However, the messaging was terrible. Spencer should have been honest with the slow progress, everyone would have understood why the progress was slow. But to show a cgi trailer, lie about it, then say it's in production when it isn't, is just bizarre. It makes me wonder if Spencer/the xbox team should get a new PR firm.
  • Redfall. Looks like shit, not my type of game. I have zero interest in it. Your criticism on that is fine. The rollout of this so far has been a joke. I don't know anyone that genuinely defends Redfall.
Same here.
  • Perfect Dark: You didn't even mention this one. The reports on this one seem fairly corroborated, so that is a huge black eye for MS management ability.
I didn't mention Perfect Dark because I honestly believe this will be a major hit. They shouldn't have hyped it or even picked Perfect Dark as a series to resurrect, but i believe it will be a good game. One of those kind of hits that's hyped up for all the wrong reasons, but knocks it out of the park for all of the right reasons.
That's pretty much the full extent of the issues that we know of. They still have like another 20 studios we don't really know about their plans yet.

When I read through that whole list, the only main thing sticking out to me is that Halo has some issues, and the Initiative rumors. I genuinely think most everything else as far as we can tell - is mostly fine. You also didn't mention Flight Simulator, or Psychonauts 2, so we might as well throw in a compliment when they do something well.
That's fair feedback. I have said in the past that Flight Simulator is the best looking game right now, and for Microsoft to launch that kind of Niche game in the modern gaming environment is brilliant. It's like a love-letter from the past.
And after this exhaustive recounting of shit everyone already knows, this is exactly why I usually just throw out some jokes. Because nothing here is new or interesting. E3 is in 2 weeks, and we'll know some more then.
RIP E3. Microsoft will drop some big announcements this time around. Call me optimistic, but i can see 1 or 2 secret announcements of games that will drop this year.
 
What evidence? This is another thread about a vague rumour that descends into the usual "something something bad management something something development hell something something should have used Unreal 5" armchair dev bullshit.
You're right. Another thread about a vague rumor, until it turns out to be true, like the other threads about vague rumors.

The bulk of this is false BS 😀

Why would you lie because of video games?
Which parts aren't false BS?

Forza Horizon 5 runs at 30 fps? And when did they say it would be 60 fps RT? Never happened.
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And games are always supposed to release on time until they are delayed. That’s the whole idea of a delay and there have been quite a few of them outside of MS first party.
Except those other companies rarely double-down on the release date and say it's definately on time, only to delay it less than a month later.
Extremely retarded take even by Spencer hater standards.
I don't think thats necessary is it?
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You seriously want me to respond to this? So that when I show you the quotes you go "nuh uh, you said he said it wasn't CGI when aclkshually he said "it was in game footage""?

Yes, I seriously want you to respond to this.

Since you brought it up as direct quotes from Spencer.

So, respond.

You were dead wrong in most of the points you made in your grand masterpiece.


Forza Horizon 5 runs at 60 FPS. They never said in game RT.
Epic have said the first Hellblade trailer was running real time using UE5.
Redfall never had a release date beyond "Summer 2022"
Halo's 2019 trailer was content that's in the game. You are probably talking about the 2018 slip space engine trailer, which was never said to be a representative of the game, just an engine show case.


so ......

respond or shut up, I guess ?

Where did Phil Spencer say any of the things you 'memba' ?
 
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Yes, I seriously want you to respond to this.

Since you brought it up as direct quotes from Spencer.

So, respond.

You were dead wrong in most of the points you made in your grand masterpiece.
Which points was I right about?
What did I say in my previous reply to you? That I know the disingenuous debate schtick, and here you are. "redfall never said anything beyond summer 2022". Remind me what year it is launching now?

Halo trailer was content that's in the game? Slippery marketing language that.

Epic said the hellblade trailer was real time UE5? I never brought what Epic think, in to this.

so ......

respond or shut up, I guess ?
Threats? Very mature of you. However, I won't reply in future as no good debate will come from Me or You on this topic and it will tip-toe towards the line of console warring and slap fights. We've laid out our thoughts and others can decide who to agree/disagree with.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Threats? Very mature of you. However, I won't reply in future as no good debate will come from Me or You on this topic and it will tip-toe towards the line of console warring and slap fights. We've laid out our thoughts and others can decide who to agree/disagree with.

You won't reply in the future because you've been called out on your BS and you've got nothing to reply with, my friend.

Not a single source verifying where Phil Spencer said any of the fake things you attributed him.

I'll 'memba that :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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You're right. Another thread about a vague rumor, until it turns out to be true, like the other threads about vague rumors.

So your fact-driven evidence-based approach involves just believing every vague rumour you hear?

I mean what is this thread even about? We know nothing about the game. We've seen nothing about the game. How can anyone draw any conclusions? Every major game goes through development challenges and is "scoped" from its original conception. There's no evidence that Fable is having any more challenges than any other game.

This idea that people have that every successful games can just goes from conception to release all perfect and fully formed, with no difficulty or challenges during development is just nonsense.
 
So your fact-driven evidence-based approach involves just believing every vague rumour you hear?

I mean what is this thread even about? We know nothing about the game. We've seen nothing about the game. How can anyone draw any conclusions? Every major game goes through development challenges and is "scoped" from its original conception. There's no evidence that Fable is having any more challenges than any other game.

This idea that people have that every successful games can just goes from conception to release all perfect and fully formed, with no difficulty or challenges during development is just nonsense.
You'd be 100% correct if it wasn't for the direction that other games have taken. This is less about Fable - As playground have never put a foot wrong, and more about mounting evidence that studios are not getting the correct resources; be it people, money, management, that they need in order to acheive excellence.

And that responsibility starts and stops at the top.
 

azertydu91

Hard to Kill
So your fact-driven evidence-based approach involves just believing every vague rumour you hear?

I mean what is this thread even about? We know nothing about the game. We've seen nothing about the game. How can anyone draw any conclusions? Every major game goes through development challenges and is "scoped" from its original conception. There's no evidence that Fable is having any more challenges than any other game.

This idea that people have that every successful games can just goes from conception to release all perfect and fully formed, with no difficulty or challenges during development is just nonsense.
There's been more unbelievable rumors and leaks that happenned to be true...Not saying this one is or isn't but man nothing can top the Halo reach (I think it was reach) gameplay played on a CRT in a barn....I haven't seen anything crazier but true.
 

mejin

Member
At this point, there’s no way you haven’t seen the multiple posts showing the experienced hires they’ve made since they game was greenlit. Multiple industry veterans!
Spouting the ‘they only have racing experience’ line is misinformation.



Here’s the description for Xbox Ambassadors

0ixVUxL.jpg


Can you show me where it says ‘Xbox Ambassadors’ will have any access to insider knowledge?

Imagine stacking up a random YouTuber to an actual Senior Producer working in Playground…or even the interview with the Spanish dev last month where development was described in positive terms.

Oh, my dear friend, I'm not really using "Ambassador" for Colin Eastwood like this description at all. It is not your average joe from GAF for sure.

"At this point, there’s no way you haven’t seen the multiple posts showing the experienced hires they’ve made since they game was greenlit. Multiple industry veterans!
Spouting the ‘they only have racing experience’ line is misinformation."


My point is this is not the first time we had announcements coming from MS with a big splash just to be "surprised" how things are not doing great later.

You have 343i with Halo Infinite, Rare with Everwild, The Initiative with Perfect Dark and now Fable is just another one. All of them started with "rumours" till it was confirmed they were in deep shit.

You are free to think everything is fine though.
 

Chukhopops

Member
You're right. Another thread about a vague rumor, until it turns out to be true, like the other threads about vague rumors.


Which parts aren't false BS?


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Except those other companies rarely double-down on the release date and say it's definately on time, only to delay it less than a month later.

I don't think thats necessary is it?
Still waiting for a confirmation Forza Horizon 5 runs at 30 fps. Must be my eyes because I play the game basically every other day and it runs at 60 fps.

For the RT part, just rewatch the very first announcement and they literally say it’s RT only in Forzavista. Or look at the GAF thread about it, there has been zero misleading communication on that point.

So yeah, I think the adjective I used is appropriate.
 
At this point, there’s no way you haven’t seen the multiple posts showing the experienced hires they’ve made since they game was greenlit. Multiple industry veterans!
Spouting the ‘they only have racing experience’ line is misinformation.
Sure, but these people are used to tools they don't have access to anymore. Assets and planning can be perfect and it can still be coming together with duck tape or not at all.

And then there's leadership, have they hired leadership used to leading this kind of work or not? Unless you are trying to hire minorities due to inclusivity, no AAA developer is helmed by incompetent or average people, quite the opposite.

But as competent as I am, I'm micro-focused, and I need the people who are my bosses to be macro-focused. And that's the issue in a lot of places that produce things.
 
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I don’t know anything about video game development but I worked in both film and advertising industries and it is a usual practice. You set up some goals but during prep and development find out there is bloat and other useless waste of resources so you tighten it up. And scaling down always works in the project’s favour. Nothingburger.
Every game has a long long list of cut content because the final product is never as ambitious as the idea. But regardless it’s good to go into an unreleased product cautious. I’m excited for fable but I’m not expecting a ground breaking game. Fable 2 with great graphics a decent story and a beautiful open world is the my current expectation. Anything more is adding to that.
 
I said it before, but giving a full RPG game to a studio who only made racers before was never a smart move. There's absolutely no reason to expect them to able to deliver a great RPG, especially based on the "writing" in Forza. I have no idea why they ever greenlit this project using this studio.
Very dumb and ignorant statement lil Jimmy.

Guerilla Games been making Killzone for a decade or so and then made a new IP that is completely different and is open world - Horizon and both titles reviewed well

Blizzard was known for only RTS games during the 90s then made the most widely known and best MMO in the market to this day despite its issues - World of Warcraft. Overwatch also did well and was a new IP and Blizzard never made a FPS game until the year 2016 which is when it was released.

Obsidian Entertainment is an RPG studio and they've made Grounded which is a completely new venture for them and is a fantastic survival game. It is now rocking over 10 million players, doing good with frequent content updates and is leaving the early access preview quite soon finally. They took the time they needed and I heard nothing but great things.

Yeah, writing in Forza Horizon is horrendous but it's a fucking racing game and doesn't need good writing lol. I am sure the writing is taken a lot more seriously for Fable. Then again, Fable had a lot of crude humor and silly jokes. Hopefully it stays that way but with the current politics who knows.


Either way, your statement is silly, ignorant and moot. I rest my case.
 
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Ozriel

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and more about mounting evidence that studios are not getting the correct resources; be it people, money, management, that they need in order to acheive excellence.

And that responsibility starts and stops at the top.

It would be awesome if you could provide evidence that Forza Horizon 5 as a project was starved of personnel, money or resources. Ditto for Starfield, Hellblade 2 and Fable.
 

Landero

Neo Member
Hire by merit, not gender or skin color.
Biggest problem in the industry imo. Movie making industry as well. Results in everything being very mediocre to bad, which if you have been paying attention, is pretty much all we get from western game and entertainment creators anymore.
 

dcmk7

Banned
There has been some epic made up stuff on GAF in the last year.

My favourite being a user being 'certain' Sony fans were doxxing a YouTuber. Mod edited his post silently to be less inflammatory and the user subsequently denied ever saying it and calling out everyone as liars. Moderators were asked to intervene and all learnt what had happened.

Got to love this place :messenger_clapping: sorry for the derail back to the dogpile :messenger_grinning_smiling:
 

iorek21

Member
Not to discredit Playground or anything, but were they the best choice for Fable?

Some use Guerrilla as a good example, but Killzone and Horizon are still within the same action genre, although completely different.
But Fable and Forza? That would require a huge change not only in mechanics but also in programing, world and level design, quest design etc. etc.
 
Not to discredit Playground or anything, but were they the best choice for Fable?

Some use Guerrilla as a good example, but Killzone and Horizon are still within the same action genre, although completely different.
But Fable and Forza? That would require a huge change not only in mechanics but also in programing, world and level design, quest design etc. etc.
Really shows the sad state of homogenization today. Everyone is worried that some well funded devs with a nearly spotless track record are making a game in a different genre.
 

Shmunter

Member
Not to discredit Playground or anything, but were they the best choice for Fable?

Some use Guerrilla as a good example, but Killzone and Horizon are still within the same action genre, although completely different.
But Fable and Forza? That would require a huge change not only in mechanics but also in programing, world and level design, quest design etc. etc.
Apparently playground put on a PowerPoint presentation and convinced Phil it was a good idea.
 
You'd be 100% correct if it wasn't for the direction that other games have taken. This is less about Fable - As playground have never put a foot wrong, and more about mounting evidence that studios are not getting the correct resources; be it people, money, management, that they need in order to acheive excellence.

And that responsibility starts and stops at the top.

I mean just sounds like par for the course for AAA development these days. Can probably count on one hand the big major releases from the last few years that haven't been beset by problems or delays. It's not something exclusive to Xbox. Not that I don't think Xbox Studios don't have anything to prove.

And your "evidence" list is hardly convincing. For example, where did Playground promise 60 FPS with raytracing in Horizon 5? The only time the announcement mentions raytracing is in Forza Vista.

I'm also enjoying this narrative shift from Redfall and Starfield not counting as Xbox games because they were in development long before Bethesda was bought, so Xbox didn't influence development. To now, where after delays in the final stretch of development it must be because of Xbox management.

Not to discredit Playground or anything, but were they the best choice for Fable?

Some use Guerrilla as a good example, but Killzone and Horizon are still within the same action genre, although completely different.
But Fable and Forza? That would require a huge change not only in mechanics but also in programing, world and level design, quest design etc. etc.

I believe Playground were going to make an RPG regardless, and possibly were even pitching it to different publishers. They wanted to expand and try their hand at something else, so Xbox decided to put a ring on it and offered them Fable instead.
 
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