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Jim Ryan and Playstation must be sued for misleading PS5 buyer

Edgelord79

Gold Member
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Fafalada

Fafracer forever
I agree ps5 games are suffering because of less focus on them. We have tons of patches and too many graphical modes. I would much prefer less or no modes but better optimisation
You might want to turn back clock 5 or 6 years and try changing the past there. Or 12, if we want to strictly look at who started it (It was Nintendo, of all places)*
But the point is writing has been on the wall for - a decade or so, and people kept throwing money at upgraded consoles & raving about patched games supporting that, so we only got ourselves to blame for it being the norm now.

*So I was a bit facetious up there about who started it - the very first console game I know was doing graphical modes that had large performance ramifications, was also soundly ignored by the market (MSR). And resolution/performance modes were happening throughout PS2/Xbox and PS3/360 generation, just not by that explicit name, and outside of lone DF article, were also largely ignored by the market. Come to think of it - maybe it's all DFs fault for telling people to care about it (starting with PS4 or thereabouts) - and then everyone did all of a sudden :messenger_grinning_sweat:
Upgraded/faster mid-gen revisions were totally Nintendo though.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Why do people feel the need for 100% exclusive games? they are NOT a good thing for anyone....
Children don’t like to share


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to be fair when you cultivate a fan base based on keeping games off other platforms and you do a 180 because your competitor is doing well it’s going to upset your core fanatics.
 
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HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Pretty funny this thread pops up this morning as my family got together last night for one of my nephews birthday parties that I game with who cheats like crazy on his PS4 and he texted me before hand saying he couldn’t wait to show me what his mom found for him.

I totally expected a PS5 and he switched over to PC gaming with a prebuilt 5800x 3060ti from Best Buy but his decision was based on everything being cross platform as he mainly plays Fortnite and Warzone

But PS did lose him to PC

Btw especially to some of my buddies on Discord have been warning you a VERY long time this was coming
 

Fahdis

Member
Why do people feel the need for 100% exclusive games? they are NOT a good thing for anyone....

"HOW DARE SOMEONE HAVE BETTER OR EQUIVALENT EXPERIENCES THAN ME WITH AAA TIER PLAYSTATION GAMES WHEN I BOUGHT THIS CLOSED ECOSYSTEM HARDWARE TO JUSTIFY MY PURCHASE AND GREATNESS? SONY LIED TO ME, I BOUGHT A PS5, I AM ENTITLED TO MY EXCLUSIVES... HOW DARE THESE PC PLEBS HAVE THE SAME FUN I DO... FUCKING ATROCIOUS SNAKES! I WILL SUE!" - What OP is really trying to say.
 
PS games will now all release on PC, this wasn't Sony's plan a few years ago, things changed. PlayStation games will soon release on PC within very short windows or even day one.

MS started doing it in 2016 and Sony is clearly going in the same direction since sharing games with PC barely affected Xbox position in the market.

If you are someone that likes to play on PC now it might not make much sense for you to get a console just for exclusives, if you are someone that doesn't like to play on PC it doesn't change much for you.

From Sony's perspective if you were getting a PS for just for a handful of exclusives you are actually in fact the least desirable costumer for them and they are more than fine if you end up just getting these same games on PC and someone else getting a PS5.

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My only concern with this is piracy of single player games on PC and how that might push Sony even more in the direction of GaaS titles. The PC market heavily favors multiplayer games, even more so than consoles, to the point that there is hardly any single AAA game developed for PC anymore (Half-Life: Alyx being the exception).

Ever since MS started to release day one on PC I don't think they released a single big budget game that didn't have some sort of online component (maybe Recore or Quantum Break in 2016 I guess).
 
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SLB1904

Banned
If you didn't buy every single ps exclusive you shouldn't be whining they porting to PC. Yiu have no right to be upset
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
Why do people feel the need for 100% exclusive games? they are NOT a good thing for anyone....
They also were almost never a thing - like looking at PS2/PS1 libraries - virtually all popular 3rd-party 'exclusives' were multiplatform even back then (or years/decades later - like Spyro & Crash :messenger_grinning:). 1st Party stuff was being ported all over the vendor owned hardware too(or sometimes to competition - Age Of Empires on PS2 anyone?) - the much maligned 'cross-gen' stuff has been common-place for decades. Lest we forget GT2k/GTHD etc. - Polyphony has been trying to do cross-gen GTs for 25 years.
Availability wasn't as consistently wide-spread across available platforms - but that was more retail stiffling certain types of releases than lack of motivation to port.

I'd argue that what remaining 'permanent' exclusives exist are mostly so because they were just too niche/unpopular for anyone to revive/port in the first place.
 
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yamaci17

Member
Don't worry, there's always a goalpost to be moved. They've already been moved 10x+ within the last year.
no, goalpost for that is already armed and set

- pc games do not launch on first attempt, they will always ask something or cause some disruption that will stop it from running. almost all games will require half an hour of tweaking/installing stuff for it to launch and work as expected
- once you are in game, you have to configure graphical settings and options for at least 30 hrs (even if the game is only 6 hrs). you must also graphically compare and contrast with other games and make remarks about their quality. to be a qualified PC gamer, you must write at least 2 essay with 2000 words regarding on the optimization and graphical aspects of the said game
- if you couldn't reach a satisfactory graphical settings after 30 hrs of tweaking, join the hordes of vocal minority on forums that bitch about game being unoptimized, not being able to get 1440p 120 fps at ultra settings with a gtx 1070
- games always crash, they don't properly function, it is impossible to enjoy a PC game more than 1 hours
- it is quite impossible to just enjoy the game, you play the "metagame" instead. anyone who says otherwise is a blatant liar who wants you to change your view on consoles/PC and buy a PC instead, so that they can get their funding from Jensen. agenda is strong with people like us, no no, we don't actually defend PC against baseless accusations certain people always make. We instead, are indeed trying to sway you in favor of PC so that we can fund TSMC/jensen/lisa su
- you need to OC your rig, you need to configure every Windows setting ever existed for a proper gaming experience, you need to change, modify every kind of thing, you must disable services, you must do some stuff
 
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lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
if you think about it, assuming in worst case scenario PS gamers moved to PC and the whole console industry is dead, i believed eventually Sony is going to close down PS game studios.
I dont see Sony is interested to be a thid party publisher as most of their profit coming from PS Subscriptions.

So basically: PS console dead = no more AAA games from Sony.

Just my opinion anyway. Its a lose lose situation here.
 
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Roxkis_ii

Member
As long as games come out on PlayStation, that's where I'll by them. I'm not a PC gamer, but I also don't have anything against pc gamers.

I don't mind ps games coming to PC, it doesn't make sense to do day and date business wise. Regardless I don't mind either way. My Playstation ego doesn't get hurt when other people get to also play awesome games.
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
if you think about it, assuming in worst case scenario PS gamers moved to PC and the whole console industry is dead, i believed eventually Sony is going to close down PS game studios.
I dont see Sony is interested to be a thid party publisher as most of their profit coming from PS Subscriptions.

So basically: PS console dead = no more AAA games from Sony.

Just my opinion anyway. Its a lose lose situation here.
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The PS5 is still "only" 500 dollars.
Genpop still think PC gaming is "hard" so they will stick to consoles.
Weve seen none of the doom and gloom you are thinking, happening with MS who release Xbox games day and date on PC.

Sony closing Playstation Studios is effectively you thinking Sony is going to close down its biggest money maker....who in their right mind restructures a company by getting rid of what makes the most money?
If they were ever going to restructure like that they would have done so in 2012 or something.
At this point getting rid of the gaming division is stupid it brings in too much money for them.

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^The gaming division made an even larger % in 2021.
 

EverydayBeast

thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
I understand the spotlight on PlayStation they loaded up on exclusives during the ps4 era, than they targeted the pc crowd, you can’t do that. Now every exclusive going forward will be questioned, system sellers still matter. Zelda going to pc would be insane.
 

SpokkX

Member
Why do you whine over other formats getting access to media?

Did you also cry when Terminator 2 was released on bluray after being available on hd dvd?

Or when a movie goes from one streaming platform to another?

Or .. Does it just hurt your feelings because you identifed with a brand perhaps TOO much?
 
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John Wick

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Stay tune for PS State of Play? More like stay tune for PC game news

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What happened to “Only on Playstation”? Why would they even go with that tagline in the first place? Exclusives do not matter?! Or is that not true?

Why not port them to Xbox? Because it’s the competition. They assume PC isn’t, or won’t be in x number of years.

Sony trained us over x number of years to believe exclusives do matter. It was really only 1 year ago that “Only on Playstation” was the tagline they were running with. Now we are to forget about it and go along with what they want to promote next. Just because I guess.

I’m going to say something most won’t like. But I respect Xbox’s transparency way more than Sony’s at this point.

For third party games, like Forspoken for example. Sony loves to be transparent. They’ll put fine print at the bottom “limited exclusive for x months”.

But for their own first party games which we now know are also timed exclusives, there is no such disclaimer. It’s disingenuous and they’re taking us for a fucking ride.

Remember when we all thought HFW was a PS5 only game? I do. They weren’t transparent about that either.


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“IT IS TIME TO GIVE THE PLAYSTATION COMMUNITY SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT CAN REALLY ONLY BE ENJOYED ON PS5.”

Jim Ryan

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Maybe before having a mental breakdown you should check Sony's history?
They went from the number one consumer electronics company to bankrupt. Why?
Because they didn't change with the times or adapt.
Releasing games on PC a year later in no way harms the PS ecosystem.
 

yazenov

Member
Childish reasons aside, there's the implication that exclusive games use secret sauce and are thus better than multiplatform games. This hasn't been true for a decade now, but that idea is now entirely dead since all PS5 games will be made with a potential PC port in mind.

Bethesda’s Todd Howard Says Exclusivity Will Make Games Better and disagrees with you.


 

Swift_Star

Banned
No i was getting PS5 for the idea of getting PS5 exclusive game like god of war, horizon, spiderman etc

It was their tagline remember? They made us think we can only get those game on playstation

If i know those game were coming to PC, i wont need to buy PS5 in the first place

This is not being stupid

This is about sony being disingenious and dishonest with their customer
Why do you assume everyone wants to buy a pc? I don’t.
I get OP point. HFW was marketed as a PS5 exclusive, it wasn't ... Had I known that all PS5 exclusives are going to come to PC sooner or later I would have thought about getting a PC instead of a PS5.
then get a pc and sell your ps5
 

TheTony316

Member
That's the ports of old games that were developed to run on PS4 slow HDD. Easy to port.

I am talking about the likes of: God of War, Horizon that are still developped to run on PS4 and the future Naughty dog games. We know Horizon has being developed to run on PS4 and PS5. Are they creatively using the fast I/O like in Ratchet? Where is the RT at 60fps? Why do you think the 60fps (without RT) mode at launch was awful? Because of cross-gen PS4 development.

Now we'll still get the same compromises than PS4 cross-gen with PC ports. Basically at some point the Playstation will be a PC Box, like an Xbox. Why bother developing exotic hardware if you need to port all the games on PC?

There's nothing exotic about the PS5. It uses customized AMD APU's. Even the SSD is just a gen 4 NVME drive. You can already buy SSD's that are faster than the one in the PS5, they're just very expensive atm. The days of exotic console hardware died with the PS3. PC's won't bottleneck one bit. By 2025, even entry lvl gaming PC's will be more powerful than the PS5.

Going forward, first party (singleplayer) games will be developed for PS5 first and then ported to PC by Nixxes (their internal PC porting studio) a couple of years later.
 
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STARSBarry

Gold Member
You know I once thought it was Political Correctness that people hated on GAF.

I now see that it was actually Personal Computers which where the hated PC all along.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Bethesda’s Todd Howard Says Exclusivity Will Make Games Better and disagrees with you.


Keywords *Console Exclusivity.
Playstation games are still *Console Exclusive and Sony bought Nixxes for this very purpose.
The dev teams can focus on making the game work on one console.....then "port" it to PC later.
It wouldnt/shouldnt affect the quality of the games from Sony atleast.
Todds point is that needing to only optimize for one console is easier than needing to make games work on Switch/Playstation/Xbox/PC.....giving them ore time to do better.
 
People can’t cope with other people opinions.
SlimySnake SlimySnake is one of more reasonable people here

Why don't sony give us the PS5 for free? According to him, it doesn't matter what makes business sense for them. What matters is that he gets what he wants. Does that sound reasonable to you? Why can't I get a house for free? That's what I want so that's what I should get, right? If only the world actually worked this way!
 
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Topher

Gold Member
Stay tune for PS State of Play? More like stay tune for PC game news

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What happened to “Only on Playstation”? Why would they even go with that tagline in the first place? Exclusives do not matter?! Or is that not true?

Why not port them to Xbox? Because it’s the competition. They assume PC isn’t, or won’t be in x number of years.

Sony trained us over x number of years to believe exclusives do matter. It was really only 1 year ago that “Only on Playstation” was the tagline they were running with. Now we are to forget about it and go along with what they want to promote next. Just because I guess.

I’m going to say something most won’t like. But I respect Xbox’s transparency way more than Sony’s at this point.

For third party games, like Forspoken for example. Sony loves to be transparent. They’ll put fine print at the bottom “limited exclusive for x months”.

But for their own first party games which we now know are also timed exclusives, there is no such disclaimer. It’s disingenuous and they’re taking us for a fucking ride.

Remember when we all thought HFW was a PS5 only game? I do. They weren’t transparent about that either.


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“IT IS TIME TO GIVE THE PLAYSTATION COMMUNITY SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT CAN REALLY ONLY BE ENJOYED ON PS5.”

Jim Ryan

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It wasn't a lie. Demon Souls Remake, Ratchet and Clank A Rift Apart and Returnal are all only playable on PS5. And when was HFW announced as a PS5 only game? The article you linked says nothing about that.

As far as suing Sony for their "Only on PlayStation" line......good luck with that.
 
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oldergamer

Member
Are you trying to persuade admin mind

If you dont like to hear peoples opinion whats the point of forum or discusion( just because it doesnt align with yours)
I'm not trying to persued anyone. Stating my opinion. It's a dumb thread title, sony isn't using false advertising. them supporting PC is a good thing, not the negative fan-ish nonsense presented in the OP
 
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