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[Captain Toad]

They'll be second to Nintendo not Microsoft.

I thought PS4 was second to Switch, now it's PS5? PS3 was conveniently competing against Wii.

I can't help think we are conveniently ignoring certain Nintendo consoles before and after the Wii.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Xbox will be on top by the end of the generation - it's already obvious to see the ripples.

You always get laughed at for predicting this sort of turnaround, despite it happening pretty much every generation of consoles. I still remember being laughed at for calling Sony's turn around in the mid/late PS3 era. People were still clamoring that "PS3 has NO games" for years after it wasn't true.

Click "Laugh emoji" if you agree completely.

 

[Captain Toad]

Xbox will on top by the end of the generation - it's already obvious to see the ripples.
You always get laughed at for predicting this sort of turnaround, despite it happening pretty much every generation of consoles.

Yeah, happened with Xbox. No wait.

But, it happened with 360. Oh, nevermind.

But, remember that great Xbox One comeback? Me either.

Now, PS5 is out ahead again. This time Xbox will win. It happens every generation!

 

[Banjo64]

If the acti/blizzard deal closes. It’s game over as far as I’m concerned. I still think ps5 will sell more the Xbox. But this is now mearely a battle/skirmish. It isn’t he war anymore. And in time, I see Microsoft winning the war between them two.
(Nintendo will still be top dog though lol)

I thought PS4 was second to Switch, now it's PS5? PS3 was conveniently competing against Wii.

I can't help think we are conveniently ignoring certain Nintendo consoles before and after the Wii.

Nintendo always win. Even when they’ve had some paltry selling home console they’ve had a banger of a handheld shifting 100m units. GameCube - GBA. N64 - Game Boy Colour. Wii U - 3DS. We should all be happy with that though.

 

[German Hops]

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

The first half of the generation. Then, the games dried up while PS3's ramped up. The PS4/XBO was just the continuation of the last few years of that gen. Things really haven't changed much since then.

But, yeah, those first 3 and a half years of 360 was a completely different Xbox than what we've had since.

And dont forget the RRoD that boosted up the Xbox360 sales...

 

[Gudji]

Xbox will on top by the end of the generation - it's already obvious to see the ripples.

You always get laughed at for predicting this sort of turnaround, despite it happening pretty much every generation of consoles. I still remember being laughed at for calling Sony's turn around in the mid/late PS3 era.

 

[Crayon]

Sounds like you are reading too much forbes contributors and forums.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Not that it's all about winning the sales numbers war, but if it were, Sony is trouble. They went against the weakest effort ever from Microsoft last generation and Xbox still had some success.

This generation is easily the most hungry version of Xbox I've seen and it's not close.

Gamepass, BC, and emulation might not be huge by themselves, but together they make a strong argument against ps5, and $300 console option to boot. How much longer until that console is $199? Late 2024? That will be an incredibly difficult problem for Sony to solve.

And when the heavy hitter xbox exclusives start rolling in next year, it's over imo. Starting with Starfield. I don't think Xbox has ever had this level of exclusives in the pipeline that people want to play again. Halo even last gen wasn't what it was, Gears and Forza aren't really console sellers.
So, Sony boxed against a featherweight last gen as a middleweight. Now it's a heavyweight match. Worse, it feels like there's no urgency and we're seeing a passive version of Sony. VR and the lack of fresh content are much of my reasoning here(I'm talking about console seller fresh content)

And as much as I love VR, it feels like an experiment rooted in the leisure of success. It shows a certain level of comfort to toss their hat back into VR.

Success is not guaranteed this time. Xbox made it super easy last gen and the opposite is true this gen. Not to say ps5 won't have incredible games and good sales numbers, but that's not my point.

Xbox hasn't been the same since 360. xbox one was a failure and this new xbox is in last place not only in sales but in mind share. They are starting off bad again with studio issues and still havent got games out two years in, added drm to their console and most games.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Yeah, happened with Xbox. No wait.

But, it happened with 360. Oh, nevermind.

But, remember that great Xbox One comeback? Me either.

Now, PS5 is out ahead again. This time Xbox will win. It happens every generation!

Lol 360 was definitely dominating PS3 for a good amount of time.

For those who forget, at the start of that generation, 360 EXCLUSIVES included Bioshock, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, etc. These were the biggest, most exciting titles of that time. Playstation had Uncharted 1. It was ugly for a second there. Of course, I got it for MGS4 but that came a tad later and just wasn't enough to compete.

Then PS3 came roaring back and dominated with PS4.

Don't take it personally and you'll see the light. That's the key.

 

[Unrivaledx88]

Wait until next-year, it will be the year of the Xbox!

lolll been hearing this since 2014 for Xbox it hasnt arrived yet

Sony is at the Top looking down rn. they aint worried

 

[Nautilus]

I don't agree with you. Switch is an hybrid console, launched 3 years and almost 4 months after PS4 and X1, basicly a hybrid generation/console which is mostly used as a portable. We could safely say that Nintendo escaped on purpose the Home Console race against Sony and Microsoft releasing the Wii after the beautiful and super powerful GameCube(one of my most favourite console of all time), and after that all the other "gimmicks". As much as Nintendo have been so smart and clever with the Switch, they are not exactly competing in the same "Generation" and "Market" like MS and Sony, they offer a completely different gaming experience and cater a different odience.

Nintendo never escaped any gen, nor ever abandoned the console wars. Much like any tactic you employ in business or in war, they took a different approach and it paid off. The Wii won the 7th gen by being the best selling console of the three, and now the Switch is the current market leader on the 9th gen.

The Switch being a hybrid console, and being used equally as portable and home console, it just clearly competes with both MS and Sony. Both of those fandom conveniently ignore Nintendo when they are being handed their ass by Nintendo, but that doesn't change that fact.

To the topic at hand: I would say that Nintendo, and to a lesser extent, Sony is prepared to this gen, as they have the IP and talent to keep their hardware, or service in MS case, appealing. MS has Gamepass, which is a powerful service, and basically bought their way into remarkable and worthwhile IPs, but until MS figures out a way to leverage them and get their studios in shape(which are a mess right now), MS is in dead last and the one who really needs to get their shit together.

It will be very interesting to see what will happen when Nintendo kickstarts the 10th gen, but that's at least a year away.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

How is Sony in trouble when Microsoft hasn’t really released any genuine exclusive games yet? We don’t even know if these future XBOX exclusives everyone is hyping will even be any good. Yeah, they have Forza and well, I guess Halo, but what else is there to truly put the hurt on Sony going forward? Those other exclusive Microsoft games are probably still a very long ways off and from what I heard, some of them could even be having developmental issues which could explain why we haven’t seen much from them in such a long time.

 

[Captain Toad]

Lol 360 was definitely dominating PS3 for a good amount of time.

For those who forget, at the start of that generation, 360 EXCLUSIVES included Bioshock, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, etc. These were the biggest, most exciting titles of that time. Playstation had Uncharted 1. It was ugly for a second there. Of course, I got it for MGS4 but that came a tad later and just wasn't enough to compete.

Then PS3 came roaring back and dominated with PS4.

Don't take it personally and you'll see the light. That's the key.

Which console sold more?

Of course it dominated for a time. It's difficult not to when you release a full year earlier.

 

[nial]

And when the heavy hitter xbox exclusives start rolling in next year, it's over imo.

Come on, you know Spider-Man 2 alone will outsell all of those...

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Which console sold more?

Of course it dominated for a time. It's difficult not to when you release a full year earlier.

Why ask me? Look it up.

PS3 sold more in the end, which is consistent with my point:

I still remember being laughed at for calling Sony's turn around in the mid/late PS3 era.

 

[German Hops]

Why ask me? Look it up.

PS3 sold more in the end, which is consistent with my point:

The Wii sold more than either.

 

[Sosokrates]

It was a deep fear in every sony extreme fans mind that the "Microsoft war chest" meme would come true...

And it did...

But jokes aside, I have spoke about Microsofts intentions before and I dont think there vision would be a bad thing for sony. Microsoft want the gaming industry to be more like the movie + tv industry where services are device agnostic and instead of having the tried and tested console installbase of about 50-100 million there will be an installbase of a billion+.
And I dont think sony really want to do that they are happy making billions of dollars the old fashioned way.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

The Wii sold more than either.

Yup! Then crashed hard with Wii-U.

And then....

They all go in cycles.

Nintendo and Sony both deserve to fail again imo. Sorry.

Hell, maybe Microsoft too, but at least they are trying to give value.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Yeah, happened with Xbox. No wait.

But, it happened with 360. Oh, nevermind.

But, remember that great Xbox One comeback? Me either.

Now, PS5 is out ahead again. This time Xbox will win. It happens every generation!

360 beat PS3 that generation. by the time ps3 caught up the gen was over, the damage was done already. 360 was the console for that gen in mind share and sales for the most part. I dont see xbox winning again though since its a different team these days.

edit:i got a delusional fanboy mad, truth hurts lol

 

[Captain Toad]

Why ask me? Look it up.

PS3 sold more in the end, which is consistent with my point:

It was a rhetorical question. PlayStation has never not outsold the corresponding Xbox console.

You are acting like you're Nostradamus by saying you once predicted a PlayStation console would outsell Xbox and therefore we should take your hot takes seriously.

 

[Sosokrates]

Xbox will on top by the end of the generation - it's already obvious to see the ripples.

You always get laughed at for predicting this sort of turnaround, despite it happening pretty much every generation of consoles. I still remember being laughed at for calling Sony's turn around in the mid/late PS3 era.

Yeah, people just forget how reactive the videogame industry is.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

It was a rhetorical question. PlayStation has never not outsold the corresponding Xbox console.

You are acting like you're Nostradamus by saying you once predicted a PlayStation console would outsell Xbox and therefore we should take your hot takes seriously.

Rhetorical or not, it didn't negate the exact point I made in my initial post.

Sentiment was all towards 360 being the top-dog at the start of it's generation. You'd be laughed at, probably on this forum, for predicting a PS3 success over 360, back in 2007/2008. Then it happened - Yes, exactly.

I am acting like Nostradamus and you're taking it too personally.

 

[Woopah]

I thought PS4 was second to Switch, now it's PS5? PS3 was conveniently competing against Wii.

I can't help think we are conveniently ignoring certain Nintendo consoles before and after the Wii.

I never mentioned the Wii nor any other Nintendo platform. I was purely talking about active platforms, so was not trying to ignore any Nintendo, PlayStation or Microsoft console.

The Switch was competing with the PS4, but Sony has pretty much discontinued that so now Switch is competing with PS5.

On a separate note, the Wii was competing with the PS3 but I'm not sure how that was "convenient" for anyone.

 

[anthony2690]

Whilst I agree with some off stuff you're saying, I think Sony is fine, their fans seem to be very loyal to the brand.
My older brother who only really plays cod/Warframe/division 2 (multiplatform titles and has little to no interest in the exclusives) is mega loyal to playstation for some reason.

Same with my brother in law who is still playing FIFA 21 (purchased FIFA 22 hated it and went back to 21)

 

[Sosokrates]

One thing which is clear is that Microsoft since the end of the 360 era are trying change the industry, they messed up with there tv focused set top box style Xbox one, but they are on track with there current strategy which is strictly for gamers of all types.

 

[Haggard]

Some people do too much drugs. At least that's the only explanation I have how people can come up with such hogwash, then take the time to type it down and then even think that sharing it would be anything but pure embarrassment... For everyone.

 

[Warablo]

It's a pretty black & white view of it, there's no sugar coating or anything.
Sony fucked up royally and MS had a massive lead and still lost.
both lost to the Wii and the 360 went from first to last.
There's no fanboy way of looking at it other then seeing the statement and getting butt-hurt about it.
And yes, no-one knows what the future may hold

There really is a different view because you gotta look at software sales and subscriptions sales. I don't count Sony catching up when next-gen is just around the corner. Microsoft killed it that gen with exclusives and Xbox Live/Gold.

 

[Putonahappyface]

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Lol 360 was definitely dominating PS3 for a good amount of time.

For those who forget, at the start of that generation, 360 EXCLUSIVES included Bioshock, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, etc. These were the biggest, most exciting titles of that time. Playstation had Uncharted 1. It was ugly for a second there. Of course, I got it for MGS4 but that came a tad later and just wasn't enough to compete.

Then PS3 came roaring back and dominated with PS4.

Don't take it personally and you'll see the light. That's the key.

Wierd revisionist history. The PS3 and 360 were neck to neck in sales. The 360 was ahead purely because they had a year head start

 

[remember_spinal]

If the likes of Jez Corden says so it must be true, be prepared sony.

 

[Moses85]

OP,

 

[RoboFu]

I just hear this playing in my head while reading the op.

 

[TGO]

There really is a different view because you gotta look at software sales and subscriptions sales. I don't count Sony catching up when next-gen is just around the corner. Microsoft killed it that gen with exclusives and Xbox Live/Gold.

You could say that about the Switch, does it really matter what it's sales numbers are when both of the competition has moved the next generation or in the case of the PS4 cross the finishing line and move on.
Yes they did very well, yet still fucked it up
It is what it is.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

This thread will NOT age well... lol

 

[MikeM]

There is room at the table for everyone. Different business models can survive and do well.

I have both and enjoy both but if I had to choose only one it would still be PS5 by a country mile. GamePass is not that big an attraction for me to abandon PS’ exclusives.

 

[lh032]

lol OP assuming Sony is just going to stop releasing game starting next year.
People seems to forget Sony likes to keep things quiet until the next announcement.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I hate Nintendo but in what world PlayStation is #1 and Switch is #2?

 

[fart town usa]

The best thing that XBOX has going for them is the Series S and parents buying it for their kids as a gamepass machine.

But Switch probably dominates that demographic by a large margin so who knows what it'll do to carve away at Sony's lead on XBOX.

Honestly though, it doesn't matter to me. I buy Sony consoles cause I like the controller layout and the thought of playing Resident Evil on an XBOX just makes me feel gross, lol, sorry. Ratchet & Clank is the only 1st party series I care about. I'd love to have a Series X but I just have no need for it. I'm sure people who own a Series X feel the same about PS5. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[bitbydeath]

Thats a pretty fanboy way to look at it. 360 sold 83mil (before they stopped reporting numbers in 2014) from 26mil with the orig Xbox. Sony went from 140mil PS2's to 87mil PS3's.
Thats a titanic shift in opposite directions for both companies.

And although i do think PS5 will win this gen, who knows what will happen next gen if Xbox have a great gen this generaion, filled with exclusives, Gamepass, and very little negativity surrounding the brand compared to the toxic XB1.

To the angst of Xbox fans everywhere, Don Mattrick was Xbox’s best boss. Not only did the best sales happen under his watch but he also delivered the best Xbox One games.

 

[Raonak]

MS fans have been repeating the same message for like 2 generations now. Sony is always one step ahead.

 

[ReBurn]

Sony launched a pretty cool subscription service so I think they'll be ok.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

To the angst of Xbox fans everywhere, Don Mattrick was Xbox’s best boss. Not only did the best sales happen under his watch but he also delivered the best Xbox One games.

I thought the E3 shortly after the terrible initial Xbox One reveal was one of their best, in terms of the games anyway

 

[TheTony316]

"Xbox will on top by the end of the generation - it's already obvious to see the ripples."

I'm getting "wait for E3" vibes from this.

 

[anthony2690]

Destruction All-Stars was apparently ok. Not as bad as Xbox fans want to pretend, but definitely not my type of game.

It's genuinely awful.
Looks great visually though, and looked fun in the trailers.
But after waiting 20 mins for a match less than a month after it came out, it just wasn't even remotely fun to play, I quit & uninstalled before the match finished.

 

[Romulus]

Xbox will be on top by the end of the generation - it's already obvious to see the ripples.

You always get laughed at for predicting this sort of turnaround, despite it happening pretty much every generation of consoles. I still remember being laughed at for calling Sony's turn around in the mid/late PS3 era. People were still clamoring that "PS3 has NO games" for years after it wasn't true.

I don't think ps5 and Xbox are that far apart right now. 360 had a massive lead for a while before ps3 came roaring back. But again, MS just didn't have the exclusive studios back then. It became Forza, Gears, rinse repeat show and they relied on multiplatforms and took their foot off the gas. That seems impossible now with all their studios. On top of that, they didn't have a console option that can always win the price war. No way in hell ps5 ever gets close to XSS in price. That advantage will last the entire generation.

 

[Neo_game]

After investing on Activision and Bethesda games their numbers should go up. Personally I do not get Microsoft tactics in spending billions $ in acquisition and the game pass logic as most people I am sure play only handful of games a year. But numbers don't lie, so they need to reveal the numbers. I would also like to know the SS and SX instead of PR statements like Series consoles and their console gamepass numbers. That is the only way we can know.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

All sony had to do was release next gen games that looked like the Matrix with next gen physics, AI and other simulations. Thats all. Their brand name and first party wouldve helped them survive Activision and Bethesda acquisitions but they didnt. They got complacent, released a bunch of underwhelming cross gen games, and have found themselves fighting over CoD. A game they never owned or had anything to do with.

They didnt need cod when Uncharted, Horizon, GOW, TLOU and Spiderman all sold 20 million. Thats cod numbers. All they had to do was continue to deliver state of the art next gen visuals and continue to sell 20 million.

While I agree Sony has been super disappointing with all these cross gen releases, as someone else pointed out, Sony doesn't HAVE to even worry about doing that with how pathetic MS's first party offerings and management has been. Halo Infinite bro. They destroyed the best Xbox franchise and I don't see how they'll be able to right that wrong for the rest of this generation.

For as upset as I am about Gow and GT7 being cross gen, nothing Sony does could be as bad as what MS has done to Halo.

 

[jaysius]

First place makes everyone complacent, that's how GamePass was born, and for me GamePass was successful.

MS has a ton of ground to gain.

Sony is always cocky when they're in the lead, it's not good for any company to get this cocky. The consumer is the one that loses.

 

[GooseMan69]

I need to see Xbox get some actual games first before I can justify buying one. I’m not trying to spend $500 to play Forza. The rest is just noise. I don’t care about gamepass or how many studios they have. Make good games or fuck off.