Nautilus
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So NPD, Famitsu and the UK charts are now lying to us?
That's the first time I've heard this.
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NPD Sept. 2022: PS5 No. 1 units; PS5 No. 1 revenue; FIFA No. 1; NBA2k3 No. 3; Splatoon No. 4; LoUP1 No. 5
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That's the first time I've heard this.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Not really. I get systems from all companies eventually, not a fanboy, stopped being one when I was in highschool.
I just think it's odd when grown adults care about which toy sells best.
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Nautilus
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It's the first time I have heard that making conclusions based off NPD, famitsu, Uk charts and many other charts as "nothing". Its not an assumption. Its based off of data, we all have access to. I don't get why you guys are so defensive about it. Some people are saying that nobody expected a remake doing remarkably well. Well, it did just that. Why are you all being so defensive?
If TLOU 1 remake did better than what the charts are showing, why don't you show proof then?
Topher
Gold Member
Really? Because you had an entirely different tone when Microsoft announced Xbox had outsold PS5 for three quarters in a row:
"Always fun seeing the manchildren come out when they can't accept that their favorite toy may not be everyone else's favorite toy."
remember_spinal
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I think its odd to click a thread about games sales, after a year of doom and gloom around the gaming business and stock issues and act surprised when people are relieved/happy that the industry is starting to thrive again, especially playstation who were hit the hardest earlier this year.
Yep, just like I thought.
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Nautilus
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Then stop replying? If you don't want to partake in a healthy and civil discussion, and all you want is to be in a bubble that everyone reaffirms everything you want to hear, all you need is to stop... replying.Oh...if i knew you were one of these people i wouldn't have even engaged on a healthy conversation about the game's sales.
TLOU Reddit would love to have you there posting tbh.
Also...the first game hadn't sold over 10M copies after a year and halfNeil revealed the game surpassed 10M early this year. It's probably around 12M copies right now. The game keeps showing on the charts in multiple countries all the time.
Your post is full of inconsistencies.
Meanwhile the IP is so damaged that Sony has its premium studio doing a TLOU remake, a TLOU2 PS5 edition, an online game and also an HBO show in the way.
And didn't TLOU 2 take more than a year and a half to sell those same 10 million units? At more aggresive promotions?
Well, the franchise STILL has a lot of potential, so it only makes sense that Sony is trying to salvage it. Its what I would do at least. Plus TLOU 2 must have been super expensive. I would also want to recoup those costs myself.
Nautilus
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Eh, opinion is like ass, everyone has one.
And there are so many great games out there. I wished TLOU 2 was a good game. But its not, but its ok. That's the beauty of gaming having so many devs out there, making different games, and better ones at that, than TLOU 2
Nautilus
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? But its my personal opinion, but also the consensus. That's beyond obvious...
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
1994:
Gamers: we want third party games and mature ones!
Nintendo: our insistence on Cartridges makes it hard for other companies to put their games on our system
Sega: our horribly convoluted designed system fucked us over
Sony: here you go
2000:
Gamers: we want more mature third and first party games, and a DVD player!
Nintendo: our console can't play DVDs but it can play miniDVDs
Microsoft: i just entered, what do i do? i've also got this halo thing
Sony: here you go
2006:
Gamers: we want online multiplayer
Sony: ah sorry about that we don't have much of that right now, buy our 600 dollar console though
Nintendo: mOTIoN CONtROL!!!
MIcrosoft, for once: here you go.
2013
Gamers: We want more mature, story driven games made specifically by your first party studios!
Nintendo: we don't have that but we do have this clunky console with an oversized controller
Microsoft: We don't really have first party games but we do have Kinect and DRM!
Sony: here you go
and motherfuckers wonder why their systems sell like hotcakes every time they release a new one. gamers ask for something, sony provides it, they win the generation. other companies falter because they are out of touch.
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Nautilus
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SLB1904
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They always do what they claim people shouldn't be doing.
Gudji
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3liteDragon
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Only gonna age like fine wine. Hilarious how a few here who cared all of a sudden about console sales when Sony was down on sales due to stock issues last time & thought it was gonna be a lot closer this gen, are all silent now.
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Thirty7ven
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Pedro Motta
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Why are you so angry? You look like an "annoying teenager".
To be fair...
There is also the PS5 DE and the mighty Series S and the almighty Game Pass.
But factoring in the $299 Series S with all these recent promotions...along with Game Pass....the PS5 selling well is something.
John Wick
Member
It's all the climbing she doesI must say... Aloy as some fucking strong legs.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think we are witnessing a meltdown in this thread. Buckle up.
I know no one in their right mind expected it to be #1. But looking at where it is and whats above it....seems like it did good.
I've even seen ppl that expected it to be lower.
Pretty sure context does still matter, right?
I know no one in their right mind expected it to be #1. But looking at where it is and whats above it....seems like it did good.
I've even seen ppl that expected it to be lower.
John Wick
Member
A couple? At $70 they will recoup their costs within a million. The budget for this will have been small. It's just a prettier version of what came before with some slight expansion. This isn't a Resident Evil 4 like remake.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Okay, I'm sorry. This one cracked me up. Between your post about James and the wanting to fuck the nurses taking care of his dying wife torment of guilt in the SH2 thread, and now this, you've been on fire lately.
Topher
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If Sony has enough stock they can comfortably continue to be number one for the rest of the year.
I'm really interested to learn how many units they shipped during the July-September quarter, that might give a sense of how quickly production is being ramped up.
And TLOU Part 1 of course proved to be a great decision, I've picked it up recently after I finished P5Royal and it's a great remake with truly stunning graphics (the best on PS5 with HFW), 3D audio, much improved animations and AI.
The game not only proved to have a market for fans at full price but it will have a long life with the synergy that the HBO series is going to create and when it will inevitably be bundled and finally put on PS+ Extra.
I'm really interested to learn how many units they shipped during the July-September quarter, that might give a sense of how quickly production is being ramped up.
And TLOU Part 1 of course proved to be a great decision, I've picked it up recently after I finished P5Royal and it's a great remake with truly stunning graphics (the best on PS5 with HFW), 3D audio, much improved animations and AI.
The game not only proved to have a market for fans at full price but it will have a long life with the synergy that the HBO series is going to create and when it will inevitably be bundled and finally put on PS+ Extra.
Yes same exact sentiment, always against console war BS. Don't see how this is any different. People act like babies about their favorite companies and toys. I always think, why care?
For the record I have practically every system from Atari until last gen (waiting for revisions for current gen), so don't care who "wins". I'll end up with the PS5 and XSX at some point (waiting for more games too).
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Nautilus
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If that's what you think, then sure.
Nautilus
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Yeah. Never imagined people here would get THIS upset over TLOU 1 Remake doing just "okay".
I mean, after TLOU 2, people should be happy this remake ain't bombing.
MasterCornholio
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Not really. There are times when the Series sold more than the PS5. Microsoft confirmed that earlier this year. I think it's interesting to speculate on what causes sales to tip in either direction.
John Wick
Member
It doesn't need to do the numbers of the previous games as it simply didn't cost the same. It cost a fraction of the cost of the original. It will get a boost from the show. Sony is counting on the show to bring in players.
Just goes to show this is Sony Gaf entirely, not that I can blame people, Xbox's output has been abysmal. I don't even know any exclusives beyond Halo Infinite which seems meh at best.
That being said when the Xbox Series S sales thread was out last year people freak out about it but with PS5 its like "yeaaah budddy we did it homies!". Then again that could be because people are upset by the success of underpowered systems and their effect on game development.
I also think we can all agree the company hit hardest has been Intellevision
. Having a good level of demand is a sign of success and it seems next gen has had unprecedented demand. I have yet to see any of the new systems on store shelves.
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TheGodfather07
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reminds me of the time when microsoft bragged that xbox one s outsold ps4 for 3 months straight in north america... it never happened again after that for the entire generation. lol
John Wick
Member
C'mon dude don't go full retard. Stop now before it's too late lol
Topher
Gold Member
Well you are only calling out one side of the console war BS equation so....
DeepEnigma
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Any ragnarok slander is an Insta-parry at this point
Nov 9th can't come soon enough!
You asked me why I brought up Halo Infinite earlier. Well, you're showing me why it was a good idea to mention it. If you're of the idea a remake of a 9-year-old game placing 5th in a debut month that included heavy-hitters like Splatoon 3 (keep in mind that game did 3+ million in Japan in like two days), and other new games like FIFA and NBA 2K (these are not "minor games", btw) is only doing "okay", then we can agree that Halo Infinite's No. 2 debut on the chart where the only other new release was the mediocre COD Vanguard, was also only "okay"?
Never mind that Halo Infinite dropped off the Top 20 the immediate following month. So yeah, you can say that TLOU Part 1 did "okay" at best if you're willing to admit right here and now that at best Halo Infinite only did "okay" or in many ways quite badly, considering it probably costed a good deal more to build (and rebuild) & had an actual marketing budget to it (something TLOU Part 1 Remake did not have). If you're not willing to admit that, then stop trying to force the argument TLOU Remake is only doing "okay" when you're looking at chart placements with no numbers on unit sales attached to them.
You're conveniently ignoring that the other four games placing ahead of it on NPD are all new (or relatively new) games in VERY established IPs not just in NA but globally.
The probability that my stance holds true is much higher than the probability yours holds true, that's the difference here. Because in my case, we can already look at similar arguments used against other games released this year and see the results from those games defying those arguments absolutely, so the pattern is set to where TLOU Part 1 Remake sales results will at least push against the idea the game is only doing "okay" (in the context of game sales, when a lot of people use phrases like "okay" in context to other statements that are generally negative, then the context of that "okay" also becomes tinged as negative) or badly.
You don't have any other sales data for other Sony 1P releases this year you can point to holding up a similar argument of only performing "okay" (i.e notably below internal higher-end sales/revenue expectations) that can be extrapolated to assuming TLOU Part 1 Remake performs similarly. You're just going off a hunch and whatever suits your perspective.
That's the difference.
So Sackboy and Astro-bot costed $100 million to make? MLB The Show costed $100 million to make? Returnal costed $100 million to make? You talk about using common sense but aren't using it yourself. Sony's statement was in regards to their biggest, most prolific 1P AAA releases. The HFWs, GOW Ragnaroks, Spiderman 2 type of games. New IP or sequels in established marquee IP. Remakes and remasters do not classify under that scope.
I'm not saying TLOU Remake was cheap, but its budget is nowhere in the ballpark of the other marquee 1P AAA games I just mentioned, because there's no way it would realistically need to be. And keep in mind, Elden Ring (y'know, the biggest game of the year so far sales-wise) also includes physical & digital in the NPD chart and placed lower than TLOU Part 1 Remake. Granted it's not a new release but that hasn't stopped games like GTAV (which Elden Ring has been compared to sales-wise) or COD (which it's also been compared to sales-wise) charting near the top multiple months after their initial releases.
So if this is your narrative, then you also have to accept the possible narrative that Elden Ring's post-release sales aren't particularly strong. OTOH, if you're of the idea they ARE particularly strong (and various reports would support this), then while TLOU Remake's charting isn't #1 in debut month, that would at least support the idea that it's doing pretty well so far. More than the "okay" you imply, at the very least.
I wouldn't be so sure about that; you're supposedly "not worried" yet have responding to pretty much every single one. Actions speak louder than words.
Well, PS3 was a gen where they did screw up, at least in the beginning. Not with what they were trying to do (for the value and QoL it provided PS3 was a steal), but partly the pricing and mostly the messaging to customers (or the way that messaging was reported by games media, who as we know today, most of them are garbage).
They definitely course-corrected around the midway point and certainly by the end of that gen though, easily had the most goodwill among gamers between them, Nintendo and Microsoft by the time 2013 came along.
Because there are people who make threads, dramatic Twitter posts, Youtube videos and 3+ hour podcasts celebrating Xbox Series outselling PS5 in Japan by 50 units once every several weeks (but conveniently ignore when PS5 outsells Xbox in that market by 100%+ margins multiple weeks at a time, even though the brand is supposedly "dying off" in the country. You'd think they would want to cover those sales for a struggling brand in Japan but nope, not if it's PlayStation).
Having threads to report on sales also helps keep certain narratives in check, so should any BS ones try getting started up.
Not really.
I have practically everything from Atari, Sega, MS, Nintendo, and Sony.
Just calling out fanboys and fanatics. Hope everyone enjoys any toy they buy.
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DForce
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The majority of the Last of Us PS4 sales are bundled. That's why it only took less than 3 weeks for TLOU 2 to make more money in the US than TLOU PS4 Remaster.
TLOU Remake wasn't going to put up huge numbers because the original PS4 is out there and people are unlikely to buy it twice.
I watch people play TLOU 2 all the time on Twitch and the majority have enjoyed the game. There's always someone in the chat whining about how much they don't like the game and the twitch streamer always tries to get them to shut up. It's hilarious.
This is further proof that you don't know what you're talking about.
Klayzer
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Topher
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Yeah, pretty much. Not sure how you reconcile calling out the losing side in a sales thread as "manchildren" for not being able to "accept" the sales results and then question the "we winning" attitude of the winning side in this thread when in both cases you are talking about PlayStation.
Sorry, but if you are going to come into sales threads wagging your finger then at least be consistent about it.
Gambit2483
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War never changes...
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MasterCornholio
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Console warriors are idiotic. I was admittedly a Nintendo fanboy until I was 15, I look back on those days and it's cringey, but that was a very very long time ago.
Ronin_7
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....but you're the one having the meltdown......
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You have a history of saying some ridiculous stuff on this forum. So your criticism is based on BS and all you're doing is embarrassing yourself.
Nautilus
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We don't know how much it costed, we only know that it wasn't cheap.
But I agree with your other points. The question though is: By how much?