Topher
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The lawyers writing this shit don't understand it either.
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The lawyers writing this shit don't understand it either.
ReBurn
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Considering this was already discussed in the main merger thread it's really not all that surprising. But seeing this thread is only a few hours old how much activity should there be?This thread is very quiet compared to the other Acti threads. The contrast when the news is negative towards MS is staggering
MS would never make native ports of all their games on PS so GP would be streaming too, same as PS+.
Here's the document where Sony talked about it
Ghost of Caelid
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Yes, services that can exist on the others platform (Playstation Xbox) with them both gaining benefits from the platform (gamepass ps+) win win.
GhostOfTsu
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The Jim Ryan thread, that was just a small quote that was also discussed in the main thread, is still on top with 25 pages.
The vitriol and tone was also completely different.
splattered
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Yeah we know that MS offered to put GP on Playstation, we saw that from the Epic Games trial documents... but i don't recall anything ever stating that Sony offered to put PS Now on Xbox and MS refused? I will believe it when i see the proof though, and what Bo quoted here isn't proof.
DenchDeckard
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I'm guessing it says for certain that Sony actually offered plus to MS or are they just assuming here?
tommib
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Just play whatever you want on xcloud. It’s not the best experience but it’s at least a way to avoid buying another console.
HeisenbergFX4
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This thread is very quiet compared to the other Acti threads. The contrast when the news is negative towards MS is staggering
MS would never make native ports of all their games on PS so GP would be streaming too, same as PS+.
Here's the document where Sony talked about it
Seems like pretty solid proof
splattered
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The fact that this is Game Pass on Playstation versus Playstation Plus on Xbox shows you that it is complete BS. Not even the same type of service, whoever typed this up doesn't know what they're talking about.
If Sony and MS allowed competing streaming services on their consoles it could increase sales for both parties. If you favor Playstation you could say "well damn, now i can buy a PS5 and play all my favorite games natively and still stream Xbox games and feel like i'm not missing out. More consoles sold for Sony and MS gets a small piece of the pie from GP on your PS5. And vice versa.
If Sony and MS allowed competing streaming services on their consoles it could increase sales for both parties. If you favor Playstation you could say "well damn, now i can buy a PS5 and play all my favorite games natively and still stream Xbox games and feel like i'm not missing out. More consoles sold for Sony and MS gets a small piece of the pie from GP on your PS5. And vice versa.
yurinka
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Sony didn't say that they offered to put PS+ on Xbox, in this quoted document they said a different thing: that MS doesn't allow PS+ to be on Xbox.
While we know MS got rejected after asking to put GP on PS or Switch, we have no source from Sony, MS or regulators indicating that Sony offered to put PS+ on Xbox.
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splattered
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Exactly, this would be a valid argument if it were Xbox Gold and Playstation Plus, backed up with proof from both parties.
Schmick
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Where does it say that Sony actually asked MS if PS Plus could be on Xbox?
HeisenbergFX4
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Very true its not explicitly spelled out that Sony offered PS+ to Xbox on (insert date and time here) but I can imagine some talks have happened for MS to have prohibited it from appearing on Xbox
Honestly in the end though
Fredrik
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Until we reach the point where the hardware isn’t important I can guarantee that PS+ will never be on Xbox and Gamepass will never be on Playstation. These talks are just theoretical mumbo jumbo. Right now they’re paying big money to get the licenses to have multiplats exclusively on their service just to lure people to their platform.
Kiraly
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Absolutely DESTROYED
feynoob
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Cheezewizz
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Your first sentence alludes to the key difference.
If PS+ were to go on Xbox, Sony would defacto have complete control over what games weren't playable on Xbox. Would GoWR be playable on an Xbox? Currently, it's not on PS+, as Sony carefully picks and chooses which 1st party games to put on that service, and when. In order for them to pull as much revenue from both sides as possible. (Sub/purchase)
On the other hand, if Gamepass were to be on Playstation, then outside of Nintendo... Every game on console would be available on Playstation, as MS puts every 1st party game on Gamepass day 1.
While the services are comparable, they are not equal. There is little reason for Sony not to allow Gamepass on it's consoles as it would eliminate Xbox's exclusives entirely. Likewise, there is little incentive for MS to allow PS+ on Xbox, as it would likely cannibalize Gamepass subs, while still not getting the latest PS first party exclusives. And yet we have proof that MS indeed offered to put Gamepass on PS, and none that Sony did so for Xbox.
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GHG
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That would be my guess for whoever it was that made the purchase. They just executed their buy at $73.75 and took out the order book all the way up to $75.60. The stock has since retraced as there was no immediate follow through from the rest of the market (along with a resulting thin order book) but an indiscriminate buy like that indicates the purchaser is very confident in being able to make money to the long side.
Ass of Can Whooping
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ChorizoPicozo
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It seems sony has MS by the balls.
Beat me to it.
HeisenbergFX4
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Ass of Can Whooping
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MasterCornholio
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feynoob
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How did you even reach this point?
Captain Toad
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Streaming sucksThis thread is very quiet compared to the other Acti threads. The contrast when the news is negative towards MS is staggering
MS would never make native ports of all their games on PS so GP would be streaming too, same as PS+.
Here's the document where Sony talked about it
jm89
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Even with the 10 year deal wouldn't ms still have an advantage? For example they can offer it on there sub service for free.
feynoob
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Yes. CMA is going after this route.
bxrz
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Yea but the subscription market isn't as prominent as the traditional one time buy market.
analog_future
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I mean if they can't add the game to their own subscription service than what the hell are they paying $68bil for?
ChorizoPicozo
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My uncle works at sony and he followed Jimbo to the bathroom and eavesdropped on a conversation:
"We are going to make hell for these disrespectful clowns at MS. And once the acquisition is done, we are going to execute directive "Violent Sony".
SenjutsuSage
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Except more Game Pass subscribers that stay subscribed makes a lot more money for Microsoft than one time sales.
Why would a bunch of people be buying games that are available for free essentially in Game Pass? It's counter productive. Microsoft by admitting that there will be some negative effects to game sales is a direct acknowledgement that Game Pass is a very popular option to pay for and play games, and they expect it to keep growing in popularity as the games lineup improves.
We already know a ton of people didn't buy Halo Infinite or Forza Horizon 5 because they were subscribed to Game Pass. That's the idea. Even so, it hadn't yet prevented any major release from still selling solidly on Xbox.
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Mobile apparently
15% of their money. Also nobody is saying they don't make money from gamepass. Only that the idea that it didn't cannibalise sales was complete fantasy land.
jm89
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Maybe now, but CMA isn't looking at just now.
Pelta88
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Microsoft has been downgrading GP to regulators. What's likely is that the deal prohibits XBOX from adding COD to GP for 10 years or whatever the concession length is.
jm89
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Dang that would be something. Maybe CMA asks for this? Would be brutal.
Captain Toad
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I don't hold out much hope, but I would love for this deal to bottom out. Not because of how it would effect Microsoft, they'd be fine and would keep almost 70 billion dollars.
But, Activision would be in deep crap. The stocks would plummet and they'd be in a world of hurt. It'd be hilarious.
But, Activision would be in deep crap. The stocks would plummet and they'd be in a world of hurt. It'd be hilarious.
SenjutsuSage
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Sony has tried to bring PlayStation Plus on Xbox, but Microsoft 'will not permit' the service on their ecosystem--Sony has likewise 'blocked' Game Pass. Neither Sony nor Microsoft are willing to allow either company's competing services on their respective platforms.
Here's the specific excerpt from Sony's CMA response (Page 14, para. 40):
Third, Microsoft argues that demand for multi-game subscription services would not tip towards Game Pass because Microsoft would also make Game Pass available on PlayStation (Microsoft, para.1.3(g)). But the wider availability of the leading provider (Game Pass), now endowed with exclusive irreplaceable content, and protected by direct and indirect network effects, would makes it harder - not easier - for rival multi-game subscription services to compete. Microsoft's stance that Game Pass availability on PlayStation would be a panacea for the harm from this Transaction rings particularly hollow given that Microsoft does not permit PlayStation Plus to be available on Xbox.
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Sony has never attempted to bring PS Plus to Xbox, and at no point did Sony actually suggest that such is the case in their documents. Sony is simply stating that PS Plus isn't permitted on Xbox because, "duh, it's an Xbox console." That's like subscribing to Xbox Live Gold on Playstation. Sony is slowly pulling teeth to bring games to PC, so they're certainly not putting their exclusive games onto Xbox consoles. And as currently constructed, PS Plus isn't worth having on Xbox.
Microsoft actually WOULD be willing to put specific major Xbox exclusives on Playstation. Some, though not all. I could totally see a Call of Duty headlining version of Game Pass specific to PlayStation with all the third party games, all Call of Duty games, old and new, has select Bethesda games not including the biggest ones, and that gets certain Activision Blizzard games, but not all.
Ass of Can Whooping
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You can see a lot of things, but they're always wrong
Pelta88
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Microsoft has spent the better part of a year saying that GP is insignificant. They self deprecated and diminished the service in order to get the deal through. There is no way they can object to keeping COD off the service, if they do then their motives become transparent.
10 Years is plenty of time for PS to build a competitor. Build an engine. Build three studios to make sure their COD is an annual or bi-annual release. And make that game ooze PS quality. It'll cost a lot less than 69 Billion.
A lot less.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
R3claimer117
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Lmao
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