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Callisto Protocol Devs ask for patience... and deserve none

Sneeder

Banned
Unfinished? You're acting like this game had been a broken mess for months with no patches coming soon from the devs.
In the real world the problem with the shader compilation was fixed within a day.

Some of you people ...Outraged and uninformed ... going crazy about a problem that's already been taken care of ...

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It's really obvious there has been a smear campaign directed at this game, intentional or not, it's definitely the internet hive mind just spewing whatever they heard from some youtube reviewer or article, it's always been like this
 
I kind of agree on this one.

If OP doesn't even own the game then the outrage is on others behalf.

That doesn't change the fact the game launched in an terrible state, granted, but we are all responsible for our own personal expenditure and it's not really for others to pass judgement...at least that's my opinion.

Ultimately, it's not just about Callisto Protocol. It's about an industry making it a standard practice of releasing games in a state they shouldn't have and doing so with the full knowledge.

In some cases like CP and CP2077 they made it obvious (although with CP2077 they had the help of the media).

In most cases it isn't so obvious. We rarely see day of embargo lifts. My point is some things got to give. People need to talk to their friends and make sure they aren't pre-ordering this trash going forward and when that happens, publishers will adjust accordingly.
 

ZehDon

Gold Member
The release state on PC wasn't great, but they fixed the majority of the stuttering in less than a day. I'm about two thirds of the way through on PC, and it's an easy recommend for fans of this style of game.

Looks like this is just the next target in line for the online hate mob and YouTuber circle jerk. Sad, cause it's actually pretty decent at the end of the day.
 
The hostility against this game and the company - especially Glen - as a whole is real.

If you put the performance issues on PC (and only PC) aside, you'll realize the game is pretty good outside a select few subjective issues such as the combat (which, IMO, it's good but needs time to master), replayability and the game's length.
The majority of console users enjoy this game. Possibly more than PC users since they face little performance issues in comparison to PC.

Speaking of PC, it took less than 24 hours for the developers to release a patch that fixes most stuttering issues for most players. I doubt I have seen such a quick response much less from AAA games but it's there.
The OP reeks of Dead Space overexaggerated fanboyism who expected The Callisto Protocol would be a 100% replica of Dead Space when it isn't.

So, yes, the developers need time and deserve praise for the game they created outside the technical side.

Yeah, didn't once mention Dead Space or even the quality of the game, though while we're here, the original dead space is sitting at an 88 on metacritic with a user rating of 8.9 and this game is, checks notes... a 74 with a user rating of 6.8 on PS5.

I didn't have any expectations for this game to be a clone of Dead Space and I totally called the grade this game would get in the poll before release. So seems like my expectations were dead on.

I'll save the praise for those that deserve it.
 

Nemesisuuu

Member
It's really obvious there has been a smear campaign directed at this game, intentional or not, it's definitely the internet hive mind just spewing whatever they heard from some youtube reviewer or article, it's always been like this
Exactly, I've got similar impression. On consoles game is just fine (I've finished it on XSX in performance mode), but there is still room for improvement with frame rate stability (on both PS5 and Xbox X/S) and they have to fix missing RT on XSX in 30fps mode. And to my knowledge they fixed PC stutter within a day from release, which is commendable.

But negativity brings clicks.
 
Easy solution. Stop pre-ordering games, don’t buy them until reviews and other players confirm the games are in a good state. If you don’t do that you lose any right to complain. It’s 2022 ffs. There is no excuse anymore to be an ill informed consumer. You can’t control the folks making these games but you can control yourself.
 

FBeeEye

Banned
They want the hype and pageantry of a Playstation exclusive with the profits from a multi-platform release. They'll reap what they sow.
 
Ultimately, it's not just about Callisto Protocol. It's about an industry making it a standard practice of releasing games in a state they shouldn't have and doing so with the full knowledge.

So dont buy games day 1 if you are the type of person to complain about that stuff. Everyone else who dont, why should they have to wait?
 

Sneeder

Banned
Yeah, didn't once mention Dead Space or even the quality of the game, though while we're here, the original dead space is sitting at an 88 on metacritic with a user rating of 8.9 and this game is, checks notes... a 74 with a user rating of 6.8 on PS5.

I didn't have any expectations for this game to be a clone of Dead Space and I totally called the grade this game would get in the poll before release. So seems like my expectations were dead on.

I'll save the praise for those that deserve it.
Using reviewers as proof of something lol, the Jim Sterling review is so pathetic it's unreal, the dude really shat on the game because he has some ideological obsession with opposing crunch, look at his tweets, it's obvious his view of the game was tainted because he hates the lead dev and his practices
 

Haggard

Banned
The devs lost my money when they released this game in the pathetic state it was in on PC.
No 2nd chances for first impressions and no mercy for such audacity from me. Kinda helps that the game itself aside from the technical issues isn`t exactly a lottery win either.
 
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kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
What the hell is wrong with you? They fucked up and apologized and are asking the people that bought the game to wait a bit

Again, there was a patch for the PC version only one day after the game was released. This whole thread is a nothing burger.

 
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Again, there was a patch for the PC version only one day after the game was released. This whole thread is a nothing burger.


It isn't just about the game being released in a broken state. It's about the lack of transparency in doing so.

They limited the reviews to DAY OF so they could maximize their sales and reduce the number of canceled pre-orders, knowing full well the game didn't live up to hype and knowing full well there were issues on PC.

All of the people shilling for this dev have failed to mention the absolute graft in placing an embargo day of.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
AAA devs have been releasing broken games since patching arrived on consoles with PS360. As far as broken games go Callisto Protocol is hardly the worst we've seen. I don't see why anyone buys any games on day 1 any more.
 
What a dumbass thing to ask for. Just say we are actively fixing it, the patience bullshit is patronizing and why things get ugly.

His ego probably couldn’t take the beating.
 

Madflavor

Member
The amount of people mocking the OP and trying to reign in sympathy for the dev is so weird to see. The game isn't bad, but it certainly is average at best. It kind of reminds me of The Evil Within. TEW came out when the Survival Horror genre was pretty much dead, and the best we got were scary walking simulators. So when the grandfather of Resident Evil released a new Survival Horror IP, fans of the genre were hyped. Then the game came out and it was mediocre. But that didn't stop some people from saying "Nah man, it's totally good!"
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
It isn't just about the game being released in a broken state. It's about the lack of transparency in doing so.

They limited the reviews to DAY OF so they could maximize their sales and reduce the number of canceled pre-orders, knowing full well the game didn't live up to hype and knowing full well there were issues on PC.

All of the people shilling for this dev have failed to mention the absolute graft in placing an embargo day of.

This is not a repeat of what happend with Cyberpunk 2077. This game got patched within a day. And the reason it could be patched within a day was because it was a mistake.

In the case of Cyberpunk 2077 there was a real intent to deceive, since only reviewers only got the PC game and never saw the completely broken PS4 and Xbox One versions. It took a year and multiple patches before the last gen versions could be deemed playable.

In this case reviewers were able to play ALL versions, there was only a real problem with the PC version and that was fixed the next day.

And what the hell is wrong with a game getting 74 on Metacritic? So the game isn't an absolute masterpiece but that doesn't make it an unplayable piece of trash either. And if you're pre-ordering games before reviews are out then its your fault, not the devs or publishers. Much better to to wait a day to make up your mind then throw money at new games before they're released and then explode in anger when the game isn't Game of the Year material.
 
This is not a repeat of what happend with Cyberpunk 2077. This game got patched within a day. And the reason it could be patched within a day was because it was a mistake.

In the case of Cyberpunk 2077 there was a real intent to deceive, since only reviewers only got the PC game and never saw the completely broken PS4 and Xbox One versions. It took a year and multiple patches before the last gen versions could be deemed playable.

In this case reviewers were able to play ALL versions, there was only a real problem with the PC version and that was fixed the next day.

And what the hell is wrong with a game getting 74 on Metacritic? So the game isn't an absolute masterpiece but that doesn't make it an unplayable piece of trash either. And if you're pre-ordering games before reviews are out then its your fault, not the devs or publishers. Much better to to wait a day to make up your mind then throw money at new games before they're released and then explode in anger when the game isn't Game of the Year material.

Notice in all of your shilling you still didn't touch upon whether it was appropriate for them to have a day of end of their embargo.

What is wrong with a 74? You might think a 74 is okay, but they obviously didn't, which is why they tried to limit news of poor reviews.

Personally, there are way too many 80s and 90s for me to play to care about a game that gets a 74, especially if those concerns related to that grade are valid i.e. bad gameplay mechanics and poor melee combat.
 

GHG

Gold Member
Personally, there are way too many 80s and 90s for me to play to care about a game that gets a 74, especially if those concerns related to that grade are valid i.e. bad gameplay mechanics and poor melee combat.

So why did you bother to make this thread then?
 
So why did you bother to make this thread then?

As I said, this wasn't about me buying the game or not, it was about shady practices that are becoming common place in the industry. Reading helps, especially reading BEFORE responding to someone.

I wouldn't say I was never going to buy this game, but I was never going to pre-order it. First it's original IP, second a review embargo day of? Yeah, zero chance for me for a pre-order. Could have been a day one buy though if the quality of the game matched the hype.
 

Brock2621

Member
The audacity of them to ask for patience. Maybe release a finished game first? … We didn’t demand you release the game unfinished.
I mean, yeah but they aren’t demanding you buy it right now either.

The only patience to be exercised on your end is not some to be GIVEN, but to be HAD with yourself in simply not purchasing it until it’s been patched.

But that’s just kinda my one cent worth (which is not much I understand).
 
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Sneeder

Banned
Notice in all of your shilling you still didn't touch upon whether it was appropriate for them to have a day of end of their embargo.

What is wrong with a 74? You might think a 74 is okay, but they obviously didn't, which is why they tried to limit news of poor reviews.

Personally, there are way too many 80s and 90s for me to play to care about a game that gets a 74, especially if those concerns related to that grade are valid i.e. bad gameplay mechanics and poor melee combat.
You sound like you have some problems? Do you even have a console or pc to run this game properly, i really hear is cope from someone that's trying to convince themselves that they don't need to play the game because of reviews

LOL
 

GHG

Gold Member
As I said, this wasn't about me buying the game or not, it was about shady practices that are becoming common place in the industry. Reading helps, especially reading BEFORE responding to someone.

I wouldn't say I was never going to buy this game, but I was never going to pre-order it. First it's original IP, second a review embargo day of? Yeah, zero chance for me for a pre-order. Could have been a day one buy though if the quality of the game matched the hype.

Well you can't sit there and say you don't care about this game when you clearly do. Hence the existence of this thread and all of your subsequent replies.

I get it, it's disappointing when a game you're looking forward to turns out like this but like you said, there's plenty of other things to play at the moment. At the end of the day this experience isn't exactly an uncommon one anymore, we're all used to it now and there's not much else we can do other than not reward the devs/publishers for releasing what are clearly unfinished products.
 
You sound like you have some problems? Do you even have a console or pc to run this game properly, i really hear is cope from someone that's trying to convince themselves that they don't need to play the game because of reviews

LOL

I could easily buy the game right now, I have no interest in it. If that's what you're hearing, it's because that's what you're telling yourself and that's random AF.
 
Well you can't sit there and say you don't care about this game when you clearly do. Hence the existence of this thread and all of your subsequent replies.

I get it, it's disappointing when a game you're looking forward to turns out like this but like you said, there's plenty of other things to play at the moment. At the end of the day this experience isn't exactly an uncommon one anymore, we're all used to it now and there's not much else we can do other than not reward the devs/publishers for releasing what are clearly unfinished products.

That's literally the point of the thread... and literally what the title suggests.
 
They limited the reviews to DAY OF so they could maximize their sales and reduce the number of canceled pre-orders, knowing full well the game didn't live up to hype and knowing full well there were issues on PC.
GTAV, Doom 2016, etc, also limited their reviews to the day of release. Your point?
And the game did live up to the hype just not to everyone - especially not you who didn't even bother trying the game with your own eyes.
 

GHG

Gold Member
That's literally the point of the thread... and literally what the title suggests.

So... What is there to discuss? It seems like you just wanted an outrage orgy about a topic that has already been exhausted and is still being actively discussed in other threads. You're being unnecessarily confrontational with everyone here so not sure what you're trying to achieve at this point.
 
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So... What is there to discuss? It seems like you just wanted an outrage orgy about a topic that has already been exhausted and is still being actively discussed in other threads. You're being unnecessarily confrontational with everyone here so not sure what you're trying to achieve at this point.

Not at all. Some people have agreed and some people have disagreed.

I don't mind when people disagree with me, it goes hand and hand with discussion on a forum and is kind of the point, but you literally just stated what I stated in the OP but framed it as a disagreement, which suggests you agree with me but you're trying to be confrontational yourself...
 
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GTAV, Doom 2016, etc, also limited their reviews to the day of release. Your point?
And the game did live up to the hype just not to everyone - especially not you who didn't even bother trying the game with your own eyes.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that when the user review rating on metacritic is a 6.7/10.

I don't have to play the game to reflect on that not living up to the hype.
 
this is why i virtually buy no games at launch unless it's something i can't resist.

wait 5 months you get patches and new features. Wait a few years and you'll have a complete edition for $20


Only reason I ended up buying Days Gone at the time was because they retroactively patched in motion control aiming.
Sorry but wait a few years is not acceptable for me.I want the newest and be part of that excitement.After a few years that game is not relevant anymore and no one cares if it has coop or multiplayer there will only be a few people this is not how I want to game.
If they game is not broken has only minor glitches or so I don’t care I enjoy the game.Stuff like like lower framerate or other small problems I don’t even see them and I don’t care
 

GametimeUK

Member
So dramatic. Using terms like "made example of". It really isn't that deep it's a game with bad performance on certain platforms. Just don't buy it.
 

Arsic

Gold Member
I fixed all the stutter on PC on my 3080 aside from new areas loading . Zero complaints on the performance side here.

The issue is the actual game. It’s infinitely worse than Dead Space 1, and Glen talked it up way too much. It’s not a classic survival horror game I’ll go back to time and again. It isn’t in the same league as Dead Space 1&2, RE2&4, or Evil Within 1.

Great visuals , great use of sound, and every other part is garbage.
 
Yeah, keep telling yourself that when the user review rating on metacritic is a 6.7/10.

I don't have to play the game to reflect on that not living up to the hype.
You are avoiding my question.
GTAV, Doom 2016, Cyberpunk, etc, had review embargo on their release days. What's your point?

Yeah, you clearly have no idea what you talking about, we know that. Which is why you should try things on your own eyes before saying things.
 

ZehDon

Gold Member
... Personally, there are way too many 80s and 90s for me to play to care about a game that gets a 74...
Do you live your life by the meta-critic score for every game, book, and movie released? Critics admit they often get things wrong; do you believe they're always correct?

... I don't mind when people disagree with me, it goes hand and hand with discussion on a forum...
This is your thread. You're the largest contributor in it, and largely, it's just you speaking down to people disagreeing with you and the click-bait being pushed. Might want to work on that.
 
You are avoiding my question.
GTAV, Doom 2016, Cyberpunk, etc, had review embargo on their release days. What's your point?

Yeah, you clearly have no idea what you talking about, we know that. Which is why you should try things on your own eyes before saying things.

It's a bad practice is my point. I wouldn't have purchased any of those games (and haven't). Some of the games come out and they will match or exceed their hype, but it's not a practice I would endorse or condone from any publisher/developer and certainly would be a deal breaker for me to pre-order in 100% of situations.

I can tell you on one hand probably the number of games I've pre-ordered, more difficult would be games I've purchased day one, which are plenty, but I can tell you if a game has a day 1 embargo, I'm not pre-ordering it and I'm probably not going to buy it.

The idea that we can't use reviews to help us come to conclusions about the games we buy is a hilarious take, but please keep that energy up.
 
The idea that we can't use reviews to help us come to conclusions about the games we buy is a hilarious take, but please keep that energy up.
With that logic, you should, you know, shit on those day 1 purchaser, no?
Like, they knew a game had no reviews and still pre-ordered it / bought it on day one. And they complain about X things. Shouldn't you, instead of bashing on a game you have no idea what you talk about, bash on day one purchasers instead? Like, it's not the company's fault at this point - hypothetically speaking - it's day one / pre-order purchasers.

I'm stating an example obviously cause it's not in TCP's case as you try to make it to be by reading someone's opinion.
 
Do you live your life by the meta-critic score for every game, book, and movie released? Critics admit they often get things wrong; do you believe they're always correct?


This is your thread. You're the largest contributor in it, and largely, it's just you speaking down to people disagreeing with you and the click-bait being pushed. Might want to work on that.

I generally look at both critic and user reviews for games and movies. Books I usually read upon recommendation from friends. The media that I consume without input from others generally comes from a prior familiarity with the source material or media and in these cases I may ignore critics and users.

It also doesn't just come down to scores, but the basis in which those scores were derived.

I'm not speaking down to you and hilariously that's what you're doing to me.

As I've mentioned I don't care whether someone agrees or disagrees with me on a thread, that's the point of a forum, but the people who have come after me in this thread do so to shill for this company which makes no sense.

Again, do you believe that games should have a same day embargo on reviews? Do you believe games should be released in an unplaying state on a major platform? Do you think this should be encouraged for future games? If you think that's clickbait, by all means, but these are the facts here.
 

Nautilus

Banned
PlayStation 5 likely was the main development kit.

PC version is rough.
Elden Ring seemed to be in a similar situation and people loved it. My friend got it on PC and never once he said anything about performance problems.

Honestly, hardcore gamers make such a maelstorm out of a tiny problem(Like saying 30fps is shit and ruins the game) that I trained myself to take any kind of technical complaints of games with a butload of salt. Especially a game that had a patch out in 12 hours that fixed the main technical gripe people had.
 
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As I said, this wasn't about me buying the game or not, it was about shady practices that are becoming common place in the industry. Reading helps, especially reading BEFORE responding to someone.

I wouldn't say I was never going to buy this game, but I was never going to pre-order it. First it's original IP, second a review embargo day of? Yeah, zero chance for me for a pre-order. Could have been a day one buy though if the quality of the game matched the hype.

So what is the problem here? You werent tricked into buying the game, you waited for the review which told you that it had some performance issues that you were not ok with, which resulted in you making the decision not to buy the game. Everyone who bought the game day 1 could have done the same exact thing as you.
 
With that logic, you should, you know, shit on those day 1 purchaser, no?
Like, they knew a game had no reviews and still pre-ordered it / bought it on day one. And they complain about X things. Shouldn't you, instead of bashing on a game you have no idea what you talk about, bash on day one purchasers instead? Like, it's not the company's fault at this point - hypothetically speaking - it's day one / pre-order purchasers.

I'm stating an example obviously cause it's not in TCP's case as you try to make it to be by reading someone's opinion.

I think there is a big difference between day 1 purchasers and pre-order purchasers, but the real issue here is that this really impacts the entire industry. My brother-in-law and my nephew don't post on gaming forums, but what they are likely to see is the hype and ad campaign for this game and might buy it day one to play on the weekend. This is just an example of who day 1 buyers can be.

Supporting studios that put out average to mediocre games with a day 1 embargo with no reason for a day 1 embargo other than to hide bad scores is a bad practice. I don't think that should be controversial.
 

Arachnid

Member
While I beat and disliked the game overall OP, I don't really believe in crucifying the pubs/devs in this case. It was an OK first effort for bringing space horror back, and nothing they did was that egregious.

From what I hear for PC players, that patch that Glen promised would fix things actually did wonders. He claimed that the patched code went to the wrong line and it was a quick fix. I had doubts, but apparently people are actually getting much better performance from it. I'm actually cheering for them to make a second and do better. I know they have it in them if they take the criticism to heart, and I'll always support third person horror.

Fans don't deserve shit either.
I never understood this take. The fans are the ones shelling out 80 dollars on a promise. If you're paying that kind of money, you deserve quality.
 
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Im happy with the game, its fun! (Played on console)
But it's not fair the lack of polish on the PC version, it deserves the same quality.

So, i feel you OP.
 
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So what is the problem here? You werent tricked into buying the game, you waited for the review which told you that it had some performance issues that you were not ok with, which resulted in you making the decision not to buy the game. Everyone who bought the game day 1 could have done the same exact thing as you.

The problem is this practice brings all of gaming down and the more it happens the more it will impact the industry.

I think that's pretty clear-cut.

All of these bad practices that we live with today, started somewhere, and we just went along with it.

Some of you seem to have no problem with a race to the bottom in gaming, which is sad, but that's your prerogative.
 
While I beat and disliked the game overall OP, I don't really believe in crucifying the pubs/devs in this case. It was an OK first effort for bringing space horror back, and nothing they did was that egregious.

From what I hear for PC players, that patch that Glen promised would fix things actually did wonders. He claimed that the patched code went to the wrong line and it was a quick fix. I had doubts, but apparently people are actually getting much better performance from it. I'm actually cheering for them to make a second and do better. I know they have it in them if they take the criticism to heart, and I'll always support third person horror.


I never understood this take. The fans are the ones shelling out 80 dollars on a promise. If you're paying that kind of money, you deserve quality.

I think that having a day 1 embargo on a game that you know is not going to be received well is reason for crucifixion (if that's what you'd call this).

I think that this relationship between publishers and consumers is a delicate one. Like I said earlier, I have no problem with the price of gaming going up, but on the other hand what I want is fair transparent representation in these releases.

People agreeing with me doesn't make me right anymore than people disagreeing with me makes me wrong, but I can tell you I'd pay 100+ dollars for my experience with Metal Gear Solid or FF7. I don't think the price really matters all that much if the quality is there. There's probably no amount of money I'd buy and play this game for, you couldn't pay me to play it.

I think the practice of hiding review scores with a late lifting embargo shows malice towards consumers and pre-knowledge of concerns around the game.
 
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