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[oji-san]

YES! i would, very very much so. It's the biggest upgrade from last gen, bigger then SSD (it's also fantastic), bigger then higher resolution. At the very least give us some 1080p 60fps option, yeah it's not optimal but some games looks good even on 1080p like GotG.
It's just ridiculous that for example Gotham Knights can run on my PC with RX 590 at 1440p 60fps with FSR but still locked at 30fps for consoles. Hate it.

 

[Rippa]

FPS elitism is 120fps minimum, not 60fps. 60fps was the standard going back generations and only became an issue when 3D rendering crippled framerates, it's not a pretentiously unreleastic goal like demanding 120fps from all games and that 60 is unplayable.

Save that for the ELITIST who claims “30fps = no buy.”

Again, only ELITISTS would say something as asinine as “30fps is unplayable” or “a disappointment.”

As long as there are OPTIONS I’m all for it. Everyone wins. I had a hell of a time Playing Horizon Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarok and Callisto Protocol all in bells and whistles mode at 30fps. All on my C2 OLED to boot. Nothing ugly or unplayable about any of those games in those modes.

Graphical prowess of a given game is what advances the medium. The performance is what will have to be sacrificed to move the medium forward. I’d rather keep seeing cutting edge graphics rather than be stuck with ugly low poly counts and blurry IQ. But that’s all my opinion.

 

[Putonahappyface]

I’ve only seen LED and LCD. Glad to hear some are preferring OLED. Is the motion for OLED as good as plasma?

Similar.

 

[lachesis]

I would be very happy if Zelda Tears of Kingdom runs at stable 30fps, to be honest. Not even expecting solid 30fps is kinda sad.
Having said so, I do believe 60fps should be a bare minimum for most games, including Static RPGs and anything, as long as there's anything moving on the screen.
For me, fluidity in games take more priority than resolution or details. Latter are nice to have, but I'll gladly take 900p at 60fps, than 1080p at 30fps or variable 4k at sub 20-30 fps.

 

[avin]

I'd be disappointed if it didn't release at 30 fps, or worse. I hope they push the XSX to the max, make their world as intricate as they want. But then, Bethesda games are best waited on. By the time I get around to this, the worst bugs will be patched, some awesome mods will be out, and the hardware will have caught up.

avin

 

[proandrad]

Would guarantee I'd wait for the PC version.

Until you find out the game is a dx12 game running on UE with shader compilation stutter.

 

[Kataploom]

What ? Multi plat games are made with the PC lowest specs devs can make, this generation is not the same as last generation. You think if games were made with Series X / PS5 specs PC gamers with 1060/1650 will able to handle those games? LOL hell nah, people on PC, majority of them are using 1060/1650/2060/2070 cards, those cards are weaker than seriesx/ps5 let alone the cpu, the cpu is far worse on PC on the low-mid end builds vs consoles, why? because PC builds usually upgrade their GPU most of the time and leave their cpu behind

Lol not exactly, consoles GPUs are like 2060S level at most... And many Intel i3 or i5 CPU after 2012 will be good to compete against consoles CPU, the CPU this gen is a hell of an upgrade because Jaguar CPUs were just shit

 

[Guilty_AI]

Until you find out the game is a dx12 game running on UE with shader compilation stutter.

60 fps while having occasional stutters for 2 minutes after booting up vs 30 fps all the time? I'll take the former thank you very much.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Until you find out the game is a dx12 game running on UE with shader compilation stutter.

Just do 2 runs if some hiccups bothers you to much.

 

[BreakOut]

If games started going 30fps on console as a standard again I would exit gaming. Find a different hobby. That shot hurts the eyes and is stressful with input lag. I can’t enjoy games at 30. It is not what the lord intended for gaming

 

[dorkimoe]

I’m never buying a 30fps game again unless it’s like a turn based game that doesn’t benefit from 60fps. But like Gotham knights. Lost a sale cuz I’m not playing 30fps

 

[Boss Man]

No poll?

Yes I would be very disappointed. Can’t go back now.

 

[Kataploom]

Until you find out the game is a dx12 game running on UE with shader compilation stutter.

Then I'd wait, or just skip it entirely, there's too much to play so I'm never left of games, even masterpieces... But it will depend, of course, not all games require 60 fps that's true, it's just that given the choice I'll always wait or pick the alternative if I already have it, if not, then it better be Zelda or some kind of big generational event type of release.

Some here seem like they cannot wait to play a videogame no matter what... Idk if it's some kind of FOMO but the in this hobby being patient pays off in spades.

 

[fart town usa]

Depends. The new Ratchet and Clank feels fine at 30fps but something like Demon's Souls feels downright awful at 30fps. Same with other PS5 games I've tried 30fps mode in. It's weird.

 

[Mercador]

1080@60 over 2160@30 anytime, everytime.

 

[nemiroff]

Yes, 30 fps is unplayable. Luckily a 30fps ceiling is impossible on PC.

 

[Stamps1646]

I mainly play on PC, so that's an issue I'm use to.
I also own a Switch, and since most games on it run at 30 frames per second, I'm used to the hardware's limitations.

 

[geary]

Save that for the ELITIST who claims “30fps = no buy.”

Again, only ELITISTS would say something as asinine as “30fps is unplayable” or “a disappointment.”

As long as there are OPTIONS I’m all for it. Everyone wins. I had a hell of a time Playing Horizon Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarok and Callisto Protocol all in bells and whistles mode at 30fps. All on my C2 OLED to boot. Nothing ugly or unplayable about any of those games in those modes.

Graphical prowess of a given game is what advances the medium. The performance is what will have to be sacrificed to move the medium forward. I’d rather keep seeing cutting edge graphics rather than be stuck with ugly low poly counts and blurry IQ. But that’s all my opinion.

And the Bad Take of the Year goes to…

 

[Trumpets]

Nope, quite the opposite. Give me a stable 30fps and amaze-O-graphics any day of the week.

 

[Soodanim]

Save that for the ELITIST who claims “30fps = no buy.”

Again, only ELITISTS would say something as asinine as “30fps is unplayable” or “a disappointment.”

As long as there are OPTIONS I’m all for it. Everyone wins. I had a hell of a time Playing Horizon Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarok and Callisto Protocol all in bells and whistles mode at 30fps. All on my C2 OLED to boot. Nothing ugly or unplayable about any of those games in those modes.

Graphical prowess of a given game is what advances the medium. The performance is what will have to be sacrificed to move the medium forward. I’d rather keep seeing cutting edge graphics rather than be stuck with ugly low poly counts and blurry IQ. But that’s all my opinion.

Being disappointed by 30fps is not the realm of elitists, and saying that's asinine is what's asinine.. There's a difference between disappointing and unplayable. There's also a difference between unplayable and something you choose not to play. You're conflating different things as "OMG 30FPS IS LITRALY UNPLAYABLE", when that's simply not the case. I can tell you I think 30fps is shit. I can tell you I've chosen to not buy a game that is 30fps locked. Neither of those statements are me saying 30fps is unplayable.

Looking forward, blurry IQ should be something we see less and less thanks to upscaling methods that can already achieve great results and get better every year.

 

[22•22]

Let's be honoust here.

Who wouldn't be disappointed?

 

[Gambit2483]

If games started going 30fps on console as a standard again I would exit gaming. Find a different hobby. That shot hurts the eyes and is stressful with input lag. I can’t enjoy games at 30. It is not what the lord intended for gaming

 

[22•22]

The biggest releases of 2023 will be 30 fps games on consoles: Zelda and Starfield. And they’re probably the most exciting ones.

Stick to PC if this bothers you.

Yeah because exceptions can't be made. Don't tell me a game like Zelda where you're always looking around scanning the scenery in 30fps doesn't bother you.

Dealing with something is something else entirely FWIW.

 

[nial]

most games on 8th gen didn't even run fully at 1080p

They did? At least on PS4.

 

[22•22]

If games started going 30fps on console as a standard again I would exit gaming. Find a different hobby. That shot hurts the eyes and is stressful with input lag. I can’t enjoy games at 30. It is not what the lord intended for gaming

Not that extreme I'd quit but come one ffs

 

[Brigandier]

The usual very vocal 30fps is fine crew chirping up telling us people don't like games if they don't like 30 fps are out in full force already....

How about some people have standards and don't like playing choppy slideshows and want "next gen" fidelity to match the frame rates.

Before people saying it can't be done all games will eventually be 30fps again please stfu, Yes it can be done please stop giving lazy Devs and publishers a free pass and have standards instead of being happy being served a turd.

 

[Crayon]

Nah. 30 was fine for the last 20 years.

Amazing how many 60 FPS snobs have sprouted up in the last 2 years though!

 

[Codes 208]

Yes. At least give the option for 60fps

 

[22•22]

Nah. 30 was fine for the last 10 years.

Amazing how many 60 FPS snobs have sprouted up in the last 2 years though!

Sure. Not getting a headache from scanning the environment makes me a snob.

 

[Crayon]

Sure. Not getting a headache from scanning the environment makes me a snob.

I don't need your fancy wine and cheese. I'll just imagine the frames in between.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

No. I don't really care for any game that doesn't require twitch input (and those are rarely the types of games I play).

 

[Mercador]

Save that for the ELITIST who claims “30fps = no buy.”

Again, only ELITISTS would say something as asinine as “30fps is unplayable” or “a disappointment.”

As long as there are OPTIONS I’m all for it. Everyone wins. I had a hell of a time Playing Horizon Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarok and Callisto Protocol all in bells and whistles mode at 30fps. All on my C2 OLED to boot. Nothing ugly or unplayable about any of those games in those modes.

Graphical prowess of a given game is what advances the medium. The performance is what will have to be sacrificed to move the medium forward. I’d rather keep seeing cutting edge graphics rather than be stuck with ugly low poly counts and blurry IQ. But that’s all my opinion.

You are kinda right but I still prefer 60fps. Game makers will prefer 4K over 60fps because it's more appealing for the common users. Which this board isn't. It's sad because we'll see more a push for 8K than for VRR. However, not sure people will enter the 8K bandwagon as the diminishing return hits hard between 4K and 8K, unless you play 1 foot from your TV. 60 or even 120fps however, you'll notice the smoothness and it feels easier for your eyes (at least for me). However, over 90-100fps, I don't notice the difference, but I'm 45 so I don't have my Q3A eyes anymore.

 

[22•22]

I don't need your fancy wine and cheese. I'll just imagine the frames in between.

Yeah you do that. I have done the same in many games as well.

Just don't act like 60fps isn't a inherently better experience and pretend (or just being cluelesss) as if it's an aspect that's in any way related to luxury or whatever. That's just ignorant. Plain and simple.

 

[22•22]

And the Bad Take of the Year goes to…

But bro.. Those graphics... THAT'S what's pushes the medium. Don't you get it.

 

[22•22]

Luckily I have a pill that negates the headache I get from looking/scanning around the environment and timing in action based games using quality mode.

And sure. I'll just imagine the 50% less frames because I love wine and cheese.

 

[darthkarki]

I'm actually quite curious about this myself. I'm not sure how I'm going to feel about it. So far, every single game I've played on PS5 has been at 60fps or higher, and that's been pretty awesome. I've tried the 30fps modes and have always found them very stuttery and unpleasant in comparison.

However, that's been with games that have a 60fps mode to compare, and I think that's a vital component. If a game only has a 30fps mode, I think I could adjust.

The other important development that the op should probably have included is the rise of 40fps as a distinct option. I recently got a TV that supports this and it's quite remarkable - it really feels closer to 60 than 30 to me, and solves the main drawbacks: input lag and blurry, stuttery camera movement. I really hope this becomes the de facto standard instead of 30fps - I'd be totally ok with that.

 

[Crayon]

Yeah you do that. I have done the same in many games as well.

Just don't act like 60fps isn't a inherently better experience and pretend (or just being cluelesss) as if it's an aspect that's in any way related to luxury or whatever. That's just ignorant. Plain and simple.

Maybe enhance your chill on this one. It was a joke about consoles in the first place.

 

[Unrivaledx88]

NO,

 

[22•22]

I'm actually quite curious about this myself. I'm not sure how I'm going to feel about it. So far, every single game I've played on PS5 has been at 60fps or higher, and that's been pretty awesome. I've tried the 30fps modes and have always found them very stuttery and unpleasant in comparison.

However, that's been with games that have a 60fps mode to compare, and I think that's a vital component. If a game only has a 30fps mode, I think I could adjust.

The other important development that the op should probably have included is the rise of 40fps as a distinct option. I recently got a TV that supports this and it's quite remarkable - it really feels closer to 60 than 30 to me, and solves the main drawbacks: input lag and blurry, stuttery camera movement. I really hope this becomes the de facto standard instead of 30fps - I'd be totally ok with that.

Elden Ring has a 30fps locked mode and a performance mode that like between 40 and 50 (don't quote me on that) the latter feels great for me. For real.

 

[Rippa]

But bro.. Those graphics... THAT'S what's pushes the medium. Don't you get it.

Opinions are like assholes…

 

[22•22]

Maybe enhance your chill on this one. It was a joke about consoles in the first place.

Maybe think about how text based communication is hard to interpret. I'm chill. No ill intend meant Crayon

 

[A.Romero]

I hope they go for 40 at least but I can live with 30 for good games that really showcase modern graphics capabilities.

I survived the PS3 gen and PS4 gen (not even counting that one of my fav games of all time was shadow of the colossus that didn't even get to 30 fps when released) and PC gaming before having the hardware for 4K/60. I think I can still enjoy good games even if they run at 30 fps.

 

[22•22]

Opinions are like assholes…

 

[MALpractice311]

Nah. 30 was fine for the last 20 years.

Amazing how many 60 FPS snobs have sprouted up in the last 2 years though!

That's straight up not true. Nearly everything on SNES/Genesis and before was 60fps. It wasn't until 3D games that we hit this 30fps and less malaise. Granted, I'm glad we have 3D games, but the hardware has gotten to the point now where developers should be able to provide 4k30fps quality modes and 1440p60fps performance modes.

 

[Crayon]

That's straight up not true. Nearly everything on SNES/Genesis and before was 60fps. It wasn't until 3D games that we hit this 30fps and less malaise. Granted, I'm glad we have 3D games, but the hardware has gotten to the point now where developers should be able to provide 4k30fps quality modes and 1440p60fps performance modes.

Hate to tell you this because it could result in an i-feel-old moment but those lower frame rate 3d games were 20 years ago.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Opinions are like assholes…

Some have one more dirty than others...

 

[angrod14]

However, not sure people will enter the 8K bandwagon as the diminishing return hits hard between 4K and 8K, unless you play 1 foot from your TV.

They said the same thing about 4K when 1080p was hot, and now everyone is drooling over 4K. 8K is coming, and so is 16, 24, 32, 64K eventually. It's easy to market and people are super easy to deceive. I have a couple of friends who believe all PS5 games play at 8K 120 fps because of the logos in the box.

I personally don't give an F about 4K, but I'm sensitive to FPS when gaming and I've been spoiled by my PS5. After Part I and U4 at 100 plus FPS I moved on to Arkham Knight's 30 FPS, and yes, it's playable, a playable slideshow.

 

[Halo is Back]

no

 

[22•22]

Lol I've been playing at 1080p for the last couple years. Pro and SS since a year or 2.

Social media marketing does a hell of a job.

Sure. A high end PC and TV is preferable but not necessary to enjoy this hobby.

Bu bu but x game doesn't run at 70000fps with raytracing on boohoo

 

[22•22]

Hate to tell you this because it could result in an i-feel-old moment but those lower frame rate 3d games were 20 years ago.

Yes and it's almost 2023. 60fps should be standard or an option. It really makes a difference