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71% of UK PS5 owners say it’s their main console, versus 48% of Xbox Series X owners, research finds | VGC

New analysis suggests PS5 owners are more likely to own a single console…

www.videogameschronicle.com

Research by Ampere Analysis claims that 71% of respondents who said they owned the disc version of the PS5 said they used that console the most.

Meanwhile, of those who said they owned an Xbox Series X or Xbox Series S, that number dropped to 48% and 35% respectively, while 49% of Switch owners considered it their main system.

The figures appear to support the theory that a number of players buy Xbox consoles – particularly the lower priced Xbox Series S – to use as secondary ‘Game Pass systems’.

Somewhat curiously, the data also shows that only 43% of players who own the Digital Edition of the PlayStation 5 consider it their main system.

This may suggest that the more ‘dedicated’ Sony fans are more likely to purchase the disc-based version of the console.

Ampere’s analysis suggests that one of the reasons so many PS5 owners consider it their main console is because “PS5 owners are more likely to be single console owners”.

“However,” it adds, “this does not fully explain the disparity in this measure between the PS5 disc-based version and Microsoft’s Xbox Series X, its key competitor on the market, having launched at the same time.”



Following the publication of the data, Ampere games analyst Piers Harding-Rolls provided more analysis on Twitter.

“In a market where most console gamers play across multiple consoles, including across brands, the role of the ‘primary console’ has big implications for monetisation of users, lifetime value and market share,” he explained.

“It’s early days, but this suggests Sony’s exclusives strategy and brand strength has not been substantially disrupted by Microsoft’s Game Pass strategy yet (in the UK).”

However, he points out: “Of course, this metric does not show comparative time spent on different consoles, so that ratio may well be changing and 2023 is a big year for Game Pass and Microsoft exclusives.”

 

[Heisenberg007]

Very interesting.

Even more interesting is how things are shifting in this generation in favor of PlayStation.

• 8th Gen was much, much closer in the UK.
  • PS4 = 54%
  • Xbox One = 49%
  • Difference = 10%
    
• 9th Gen, PS5 is gaining a significant lead in what used to be the 2nd strong market for Xbox.
  • PS5 = 71%
  • XSX = 48%
  • Difference = 32%

In terms of percentage change, it's a jump from 10% to 32% for PlayStation vs. Xbox, which, I suspect, will only become bigger as PS5 supply issues continue to resolve.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

PlayStation is continuing the momentum of PS4.

Xbox has somehow worst first party output this gen than during One era.

No wonder.

 

[reksveks]

Very interesting.

Even more interesting is how things are shifting in this generation in favor of PlayStation.

• 8th Gen was much, much closer in the UK.
  • PS4 = 54%
  • Xbox One = 49%
  • Difference = 10%
• 9th Gen, PS5 is gaining a significant lead in what used to be the 2nd strong market for Xbox.
  • PS5 = 71%
  • XSX = 48%
  • Difference = 32%

In terms of percentage change, it's a jump from 10% to 32% for PlayStation vs. Xbox, which, I suspect, will only become bigger as PS5 supply issues continue to resolve.

Source for the first set of %?

 

[Heisenberg007]

Source for the first set of %?

The 54% and 49% for PS4 and Xbox One is in the tweet (the GIF)

 

[Ozriel]

In terms of percentage change, it's a jump from 10% to 32% for PlayStation vs. Xbox, which, I suspect, will only become bigger as PS5 supply issues continue to resolve.

This stat is significantly more impacted by software than hardware supply. Read the last sentence in the OP.

Xbox has somehow worst first party output this gen than during One era.
.

Did this gen end in 2022?

 

[Kagey K]

This is most interesting to me.

Research by Ampere Analysis claims that 71% of respondents who said they owned the disc version of the PS5 said they used that console the most.

Somewhat curiously, the data also shows that only 43% of players who own the Digital Edition of the PlayStation 5 consider it their main system.

Ampere’s analysis suggests that one of the reasons so many PS5 owners consider it their main console is because “PS5 owners are more likely to be single console owners”.

It shows a distrust in Sonys digital solutions vs Microsoft. And a brand loyalty to the point they will forsake games, because they aren't on thier PS5.

This is nothing new though and you can see it daily here on NEOGaf.

 

[remember_spinal]

IB4

 

[reksveks]

The 54% and 49% for PS4 and Xbox One is in the tweet (the GIF)

Doh, ignore me. I think we (maybe just myself) need to clock that its the same time period (Q4 2022) for the survey regardless of the console gen.

Series S being 35% makes a bit of sense.

 

[THE DUCK]

Well of course it is so far this gen, they have had more aaa exclusive games released. This should even out some in 2023.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Doh, ignore me. I think we need to clock that its the same time period (Q4 2022) for the survey regardless of the console gen.

Yes, but that Q4 2022 time period further validates my point, no?

As in, PS4/Xbox One was so much closer in UK, even so recently (Q4 2022). However, with the newer products, the UK market has shifted more to PlayStation than Xbox (despite Xbox's recent attempts: acquisition, Gamepass, etc.)

Series S being 35% makes a bit of sense.

I actually think it's much lower than I anticipated -- especially in comparison to where Series X stands.

That's because it was a common assumption that Series S would perform better than Series X, especially because of its price point, better availability, and continuous discounts. Ampere estimated that Series S has been outselling Series X in many key markets. And, more importantly, Phil Spencer said that Series S will likely outsell Series X in the long run because "price really matters."

This data tells us a few things (as far the UK goes):

1. Series S may not have as much of an impact as initially expected, despite the value proposition and MS taking huge losses on every sale.
2. Even if someone buys a Series S, they'd likely not treat it as their main console (maybe because of the lower power factor) and still need another console. In that case, it'll most likely be a PS5, not a Series X.
3. Price doesn't matter as much, as people would rather buy a $500 console (PS5 and Series X) than a $250 Series S.
4. Moreover, people would rather make PS5 their primary console (and pay $70 for games) than making Series S their primary console and rely on Gamepass.

I think there are a lot of interesting consumer thought processes underlying this data.

 

[reksveks]

Yes, but that Q4 2022 time period further validates my point, no?

As in, PS4/Xbox One was so much closer in UK, even so recently (Q4 2022). However, with the newer products, the UK market has shifted more to PlayStation than Xbox (despite Xbox's recent attempts: acquisition, Gamepass, etc.)

No, this is about user behaviour and less about market shifting one way or another, there may be a relationship but not guaranteed.

If you had a ps5 user who bought a series s, the marketshare would shift but this survey probably would not. The ps5 probably would still be their primary device and the series s would not.

I actually think it's much lower than I anticipated -- especially in comparison to where Series X stands.

That's because it was a common assumption that Series S would perform better than Series X, especially because of its price point, better availability, and continuous discounts. Ampere estimated that Series S has been outselling Series X in many key markets. And, more importantly, Phil Spencer said that Series S will likely outsell Series X in the long run because "price really matters."

This data tells two things (as far the UK goes):

1. Series S may not have as much of an impact as initially expected, despite the value proposition and MS taking huge losses on every sale.
2. Even if someone buys a Series S, they'd likely not treat it as their main console (maybe because of the lower power factor) and still need another console. In that case, it'll most likely be a PS5, not a Series X.
3. Price doesn't matter as much, as people would rather buy a $500 console (PS5 and Series X) than a $250 Series S.
4. Moreover, people would rather make PS5 their primary console (and pay $70 for games) than making Series S their primary console and rely on Gamepass.

I think there are a lot of interesting consumer thought processes underlying this data.

It sounds to me that we are equating this survey partially with marketshare and the survey isn't about marketshare. The Series S may be still selling as much as the Series X but the audience may be using it differently. A bit slow this morning, think that's point 2 from your comment.

You can sell more Series S but have lower 'engagement' although this survey probably doesn't 100% track/relate to that, it feels more of a self-classification survey.

There is the follow-up question of whether having series s with a lower level of usage is a good strategy in comparison to having less but more engaged users.

 

[ParaSeoul]

 

[NinjaBoiX]

I have both a XSX and a PS5, I play the XSX far more.

 

[Robb]

It’ll be interesting to see if this will change again within this gen. 2022 was a particularly bad year for Xbox output so I’m not surprised people didn’t treat it as their main system.

 

[Heisenberg007]

No, this is about user behaviour and less about market shifting one way or another, there may be a relationship but not guaranteed.

If you had a ps5 user who bought a series s, the marketshare would shift but this survey probably would not. The ps5 probably would still be their primary device and the series s would not.


It sounds to me that we are equating this with marketshare and the survey isn't about marketshare. The Series S may be still selling as much as the Series X but the audience may be using it differently.

You can sell more Series S but have lower 'engagement' although this survey probably doesn't 100% track/relate to that, it feels more of a self-classification survey. There is the follow-up question of whether that's a good strategy.

But user behavior and market shift are obviously linked and have a causal effect. A market wouldn't shift if there was no change in user behavior. And a change in user behavior will automatically shift the market.

The bottom line is that more people in this generation treat PS5 (71% vs. 48%) as their primary console than they did in the last generation (54% vs. 49%). That is a clear sign of a market shift.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Did this gen end in 2022?

Oh man, another GAF genius.

Compare first 2 years of One gen Vs. Series gen.

 

[phil_t98]

where do they put these polls and how do they even say 71% of UK PS5 owners, I wasn't even asked lol

 

[Banjo64]

where do they put these polls and how do they even say 71% of UK PS5 owners, I wasn't even asked lol

I can’t find the sample size on Ampere’s article. They do usually list it (or have in the past), maybe I’m missing it. It can be through yougov surveys, I’m not sure how else.

 

[Topher]

where do they put these polls and how do they even say 71% of UK PS5 owners, I wasn't even asked lol

I can’t find the sample size on Ampere’s article. They do usually list it (or have in the past), maybe I’m missing it. It can be through yougov surveys, I’m not sure how else.

Ampere Analysis - Games - Consumer

www.ampereanalysis.com

Typical market research stuff

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I don't get it....
71 and 48 split don't equal 100%.

Am I missing something?

 

[Topher]

I don't get it....
71 and 48 split don't equal 100%.

Am I missing something?

That is the percentage of the total who own that console. Since many gamers own more than one console, the percentage will not add up to 100.

 

[midnightAI]

This is most interesting to me.



It shows a distrust in Sonys digital solutions vs Microsoft. And a brand loyalty to the point they will forsake games, because they aren't on thier PS5.

This is nothing new though and you can see it daily here on NEOGaf.

'Distrust'? No, it shows that people still buy used games, or, here in the UK at least, buy games cheaper at launch (you can buy games online cheaper than RRP).

 

[reksveks]

I don't get it....
71 and 48 split don't equal 100%.

Am I missing something?

The percentages don't have to add up to 100%. If you want to think about it in real terms:

Out of 10 users who own a ps5 and potentially other consoles, 7 of those stated the ps5 is their primary consoles. (70%)
Out of 6 users who own a series x and other potentially other consoles, 3 of those stated the series x was their primary console. (50%).

I do wonder if ampere has excluded users without other consoles and if so, are they doing that via platform, assume the first one but not sure about the second one.

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

And a brand loyalty to the point they will forsake games, because they aren't on thier PS5.

"Brand loyalty to the point they will forsake games"

Such a weird comment.
Like it's a bad thing to miss out on a game or two, when games come and go.

 

[Kagey K]

"Brand loyalty to the point they will forsake games"

Such a weird comment.
Like it's a bad thing to miss out on a game or two, when games come and go.

For sure for single player one and done games,

Not so much when it cones to the actually fun games Pol want to keep playing

In the end this proves PS fanboys will be PS fanhoyss and gaming fans will go where the games are.

 

[Topher]

This is most interesting to me.



It shows a distrust in Sonys digital solutions vs Microsoft. And a brand loyalty to the point they will forsake games, because they aren't on thier PS5.

Actually quite the opposite. The perception in the gaming industry has been for some time that PlayStation delivers more games, more consistently than Xbox. Microsoft executives themselves have admitted that. So yeah, it shouldn't be a surprise that single console owners would opt for the console that delivers more games.

For sure for single player one and done games,

Not so much when it cones to the actually fun games Pol want to keep playing

In the end this proves PS fanboys will be PS fanhoyss and gaming fans will go where the games are.

The number seems to indicate "PS fanhoyss" and "gaming fans" are largely ending up in the same place.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Very interesting.

Even more interesting is how things are shifting in this generation in favor of PlayStation.

• 8th Gen was much, much closer in the UK.
  • PS4 = 54%
  • Xbox One = 49%
  • Difference = 10%
• 9th Gen, PS5 is gaining a significant lead in what used to be the 2nd strong market for Xbox.
  • PS5 = 71%
  • XSX = 48%
  • Difference = 32%

In terms of percentage change, it's a jump from 10% to 32% for PlayStation vs. Xbox, which, I suspect, will only become bigger as PS5 supply issues continue to resolve.

Doesn't it show that more mainline Sony ps5 owners have purchased a series S or series X as a gamepass secondary system, meaning part of microsofts plan is working?

 

[Ozriel]

Oh man, another GAF genius.

Compare first 2 years of One gen Vs. Series gen.

Great. So it would have made more sense to restrict your comparison to that timeframe, wouldn’t it?

completely impossible to have an Xbox Series gen with weaker overall first party support than the Xbox One gen.

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

For sure for single player one and done games,

Not so much when it cones to the actually fun games Pol want to keep playing

In the end this proves PS fanboys will be PS fanhoyss and gaming fans will go where the games are.

That logic goes for any fanboy and isn't exclusive to Playstation.

I think it's more a matter of Playstation having a great 1st party offering that people think outweighs missing out on a handfull of games.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Doesn't it show that more mainline Sony ps5 owners have purchased a series S or series X as a gamepass secondary system, meaning part of microsofts plan is working?

No, it doesn't.

That'd have to be a different type of market study that would show total console sales (PS5, Series X, Series S) for this generation and the previous generation (PS4 vs. Xbox One).

From this data, we can't accurately predict if, for a particular company, the market shrank or not. However, one can surmise that the UK console market expanded for PS5 and shrank for Xbox, but as I said, not accurately and/or confidently because we don't have total console sales.

 

[cormack12]

Somewhat curiously, the data also shows that only 43% of players who own the Digital Edition of the PlayStation 5 consider it their main system.

It makes sense that those opting for the DE take the cheaper option as they would be more likely to own more consoles imo. In that case it's unlikely you have a traditional 'main' console. It will vary to whichever is getting most playtime at that point?

Just like those who may have opted for an S also own a PS5.

 

[feynoob]

Surveys?
So the stats is shit then, as that doesn't count the general people of UK.

What a useless thread.

 

[Sw0pDiller]

I find it pretty logical. PS5 haz them games. Almost no need for a 2nd system besides switch. Same for PC.

 

[KingHippo1967]

Yes, but that Q4 2022 time period further validates my point, no?

As in, PS4/Xbox One was so much closer in UK, even so recently (Q4 2022). However, with the newer products, the UK market has shifted more to PlayStation than Xbox (despite Xbox's recent attempts: acquisition, Gamepass, etc.)

I actually think it's much lower than I anticipated -- especially in comparison to where Series X stands.

That's because it was a common assumption that Series S would perform better than Series X, especially because of its price point, better availability, and continuous discounts. Ampere estimated that Series S has been outselling Series X in many key markets. And, more importantly, Phil Spencer said that Series S will likely outsell Series X in the long run because "price really matters."

This data tells us a few things (as far the UK goes):

1. Series S may not have as much of an impact as initially expected, despite the value proposition and MS taking huge losses on every sale.
2. Even if someone buys a Series S, they'd likely not treat it as their main console (maybe because of the lower power factor) and still need another console. In that case, it'll most likely be a PS5, not a Series X.
3. Price doesn't matter as much, as people would rather buy a $500 console (PS5 and Series X) than a $250 Series S.
4. Moreover, people would rather make PS5 their primary console (and pay $70 for games) than making Series S their primary console and rely on Gamepass.

I think there are a lot of interesting consumer thought processes underlying this data.

I think you're confusing the point of the article. You're talking about hardware sales, as in the number of units each console sells. The survey has nothing to do with that.

Of your 4-point summary of what "the data tells us", 1-3 can't be concluded from the data at all.

 

[DenchDeckard]

No, it doesn't.

That'd have to be a different type of market study that would show total console sales (PS5, Series X, Series S) for this generation and the previous generation (PS4 vs. Xbox One).

From this data, we can't accurately predict if, for a particular company, the market shrank or not. However, one can surmise that the UK console market expanded for PS5 and shrank for Xbox, but as I said, not accurately and/or confidently because we don't have total console sales.

But we know that they are almost equal in sales in the UK, we do have the data. SOny has been down YoY and Microsoft are the only one of the three that is managing to either grow YoY or have a much smaller loss of YoY decline than sony or Nintendo.

So yeah, for UK we do have the data.

Sony isnt advancing its lead or growth in the UK. Its just Playstation owners are more likely to only own a playstation while Xbox and Nintendo switch owners are more likely to be more invested in gaming and own multiple consoles or devices.

 

[Heisenberg007]

But we know that they are almost equal in sales in the UK, we do have the data. SOny has been down YoY and Microsoft are the only one of the three that is managing to either grow YoY or have a much smaller loss of YoY decline than sony or Nintendo.

So yeah, for UK we do have the data.

Sony isnt advancing its lead or growth in the UK. Its just Playstation owners are more likely to only own a playstation while Xbox and Nintendo switch owners are more likely to be more invested in gaming and own multiple consoles or devices.

That's not true, as far as I know. The console sales are not equal in the UK. Here's how the timeline looks:

• PS5 hit 1 million consoles in the UK back in Sep 2021 (a new record)
• Xbox hits 1 million consoles in the UK 4 months later in January 2022 (on the back of 2 holiday seasons)
• PS5 hits 2 million consoles 9 months later in October 2022 (before PlayStation's supply issues eased, and Holidays 2022)
• 4 months later, Xbox still hasn't sold 2 million consoles according to Gamesindustry, despite the Holiday 2022 season (at least I couldn't find any such news)

The gap is bigger than you think.

Now that PS5 supply issues have eased up, it's likely to grow bigger, just like it's happening in Japan and other markets that PS5 is strong in.

 

[M1chl]

PlayStation is continuing the momentum of PS4.

Xbox has somehow worst first party output this gen than during One era.

No wonder.

Can't say I agree, since in 2021 has MS quite a few games. Maybe I remember it, because I am basically playing games which were released back then quite often.

Not that it is great, however still better than in One era

 

[Punished Miku]

Series S, by design, is sold as more of a complimentary device. Not really surprised by the numbers. Switch is also sold as a complimentary device. Cheaper price point, portability, sub service, etc.

 

[SLB1904]

My wife was doing to dishes and I shout "playstation"

She knew I was winning

 

[Heisenberg007]

Series S, by design, is sold as more of a complimentary device. Not really surprised by the numbers. Switch is also sold as a complimentary device. Cheaper price point, portability, sub service, etc.

Yes, but the main comparison (as Piers points in his article) is b/w PS5 and XSX, and he is surprised at the big gap b/w the two similar machines.

 

[clampzyn]

That's not true, as far as I know. The console sales are not equal in the UK. Here's how the timeline looks:

• PS5 hit 1 million consoles in the UK back in Sep 2021 (a new record)
• Xbox hits 1 million consoles in the UK 4 months later in January 2022 (on the back of 2 holiday seasons)
• PS5 hits 2 million consoles 9 months later in October 2022 (before PlayStation's supply issues eased, and Holidays 2022)
• 4 months later, Xbox still hasn't sold 2 million consoles according to Gamesindustry, despite the Holiday 2022 season (at least I couldn't find any such news)

The gap is bigger than you think.

Now that PS5 supply issues have eased up, it's likely to grow bigger, just like it's happening in Japan and other markets that PS5 is strong in.

the fact that there were supply issues was a myth, its "scalper" issues not supplies, and the fact that xbox was keeping up without releasing a lot of exclusives vs playstation says that the gap ain't going nowhere but nearer this year coz if the line up of exclusives from xbox comes out this year plus the ABK acquisition, your prediction that the gap will widen will be like 5% chance of being true. xbox going big this year, if you think nothing will happen then you must be delusional.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yes, but the main comparison (as Piers points in his article) is b/w PS5 and XSX, and he is surprised at the big gap b/w the two similar machines.

I'm not that surprised. After the Xbox One, I argued that Xbox has to try to be a complimentary device or they'll die. I predicted XSS, and said they need to have a cheaper price point system because they're not replacing Playstation. The best they can hope for this gen is being a strong 2nd or 3rd system for people. A lot of people with an XSX have a similar mindset, but just sprang for the more expensive model I'd bet.

This can change over time, but the huge games haven't hit yet. I think they're making some progress though, coming back from the Xbox One days.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I'm not that surprised. After the Xbox One, I argued that Xbox has to try to be a complimentary device or they'll die. I predicted XSS, and said they need to have a cheaper price point system because they're not replacing Playstation. The best they can hope for this gen is being a strong 2nd or 3rd system for people. A lot of people with an XSX have a similar mindset, but just sprang for the more expensive model I'd bet.

This can change over time, but the huge games haven't hit yet. I think they're making some progress though, coming back from the Xbox One days.

That's an interesting point. And I think you're right.

How many people will realistically switch from PS5 to Xbox and choose to let go of the next God of War, next Horizon, next Spider-Man, Ghost of Tsushima, or The Last of Us. I don't think many will, as those games have sold more than 20 million copies and continue to grow as franchises!

Question: Do you predict Xbox to overtake Nintendo as the 2nd complimentary device? Or do you think they'll remain at #3?

 

[Punished Miku]

That's an interesting point. And I think you're right.

How many people will realistically switch from PS5 to Xbox and choose to let go of the next God of War, next Horizon, next Spider-Man, Ghost of Tsushima, or The Last of Us. I don't think many will, as those games have sold more than 20 million copies and continue to grow as franchises!

Question: Do you predict Xbox to overtake Nintendo as the 2nd complimentary device? Or do you think they'll remain at #3?

I think they'll remain at 3rd, but things can change. If Xbox 1st party ever reaches their true potential, they will have a lot of heavy hitters coming out on a solid system with good services. Nintendo is dominant also, but they experiment a lot from gen to gen so they're always hard to predict completely. But the safe bet is Xbox is 3rd place.

 

[Heisenberg007]

the fact that there were supply issues was a myth, its "scalper" issues not supplies, and the fact that xbox was keeping up without releasing a lot of exclusives vs playstation says that the gap ain't going nowhere but nearer this year coz if the line up of exclusives from xbox comes out this year plus the ABK acquisition, your prediction that the gap will widen will be like 5% chance of being true. xbox going big this year, if you think nothing will happen then you must be delusional.

You keep saying "supply issues is a myth" without backing up your theory. I've already provided you receipts, so I'm not getting back into that argument again.

And "Xbox going big this year" doesn't do anything in my opinion because it's not like PlayStation will have a weak year. It's going to be:

• Spider-Man 2 vs. Starfield
• Final Fantasy XVI vs. Redfall
• Forza (Gran Turismo has been already released and continues to perform well)

Starfield is Xbox's biggest game, and most people wouldn't even care about it now that it's exclusive. Here is a snapshot of 20,000 people's opinion.

Then there are PlayStation games that are releasing this year for which Xbox does not have any competitor:

• Stellar Blade
• Horizon Call of the Mountain
• Firewall Ultra
• Gran Turismo VR
• Helldivers 2 (will be announced soon for a 2023 released

 

[Three]

Ampere’s analysis suggests that one of the reasons so many PS5 owners consider it their main console is because “PS5 owners are more likely to be single console owners”.

Don't we have data from regulators that a higher percentage of PS owners own an xbox than xbox owners owning a PS? I will try to find it tonight if somebody doesn't find it before me.

 

[MikeM]

Not at all surprised. Strong brand, good console and hard hitting exclusives that push technical boundaries.

 

[clampzyn]

You keep saying "supply issues is a myth" without backing up your theory. I've already provided you receipts, so I'm not getting back into that argument again.

And "Xbox going big this year" doesn't do anything in my opinion because it's not like PlayStation will have a weak year. It's going to be:

• Spider-Man 2 vs. Starfield
• Final Fantasy XVI vs. Redfall
• Forza (Gran Turismo has been already released and continues to perform well)

Starfield is Xbox's biggest game, and most people wouldn't even care about it now that it's exclusive. Here is a snapshot of 20,000 people's opinion.

Then there are PlayStation games that are releasing this year for which Xbox does not have any competitor:

• Stellar Blade
• Horizon Call of the Mountain
• Firewall Ultra
• Gran Turismo VR
• Helldivers 2 (will be announced soon for a 2023 released

lmao your sources are nothing, why do you think 30m units are still sold if there were supply issues on Sony? their just creating this "chips" shortage to justify their increase while it was all scalpers buying all those consoles.

xbox has already confirmed this games are coming until the end of 2023:

• Age of Empire 4
• Forza Motorsport (8)
• Starfield
• Redfall
• Hellblade 2
• The Last Case of Benedict Fox
• Stalker 2 (time exclusive)
• ARK 2 (time exclusive)
• Warhammer 40K Darktide (Time Exc.)

Ghostwire Tokyo will also be heading to xbox this year, and what does playstation have to offer yet? another spider man sequel? that ain't even a console seller game

ABK acquistion would probably go this year and this would mean day one gamepass CoD/WoW and other games that they own, your playstation VR is a niche market wouldn't make a dent on consoles platform. And we know multi plat games like CoD is what a real console seller game is not some first party "sequel" game again LOL

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

You keep saying "supply issues is a myth" without backing up your theory. I've already provided you receipts, so I'm not getting back into that argument again.

And "Xbox going big this year" doesn't do anything in my opinion because it's not like PlayStation will have a weak year. It's going to be:

• Spider-Man 2 vs. Starfield
• Final Fantasy XVI vs. Redfall
• Forza (Gran Turismo has been already released and continues to perform well)

Then there are PlayStation games that are releasing this year for which Xbox does not have any competitor:

• Stellar Blade
• Horizon Call of the Mountain
• Firewall Ultra
• Gran Turismo VR
• Helldivers 2 (will be announced soon for a 2023 release)

The "supply issues is a myth" is clearly from someone that lives in the USA or UK and thinks the world works the same way...

I also need to say that Sony doesn't have a single showcase since 2021 and yet, as you said...this year we already know about Forspoken, Spider-Man 2, Final Fantasy XVI, PS VR2 and multiple exclusives, Helldivers 2, Stellar Blade, etc. And as soon this year ends, we get Silent Hill 2, the next sequel for Final Fantasy VII.

Again...all this is what we know without a showcase.

I know MS needs Starfield to succeed...but talking about a new IP like it's the second coming of christ and like nothing matters from the competition is a bit silly. Playstation is having again more games coming out this year either timed exclusives or full exclusives. For some reason VR2 releases aren't counted. But they are still games lol.