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[Draugoth]

Lies of P is a highly-anticipated Action RPG launching later this year from our friends at NEOWIZ. This trailer showcases never-before-seen content from the game, running on AMD's brand new Radeon RX 7900 XTX at 8K Resolution (8K Resolution playback only supported on 8K monitors).

 

[Punished Miku]

Lies of 7680 x 4320p

 

[Beer Baelly]

Lies of Phil looking amazing

 

[Mr Hyde]

Can they drop a fucking release date for this game already? The amount of cock teasing from the devs is infuriating.

 

[rofif]

Probably fsr 720p.
Ayway - the game looks much better now that they removed that 2007 ssao

 

[TintoConCasera]

Looks good, but why is the big robot screeching like a beast? Kinda weird.

 

[winjer]

Probably fsr 720p.
Ayway - the game looks much better now that they removed that 2007 ssao

Even FSR 2.0 at ultra performance would render it at 1425p.
At the performance mode it would render it at 2160p.

 

[Markio128]

Dunno - not feeling this one.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Big grain of salt with that. Looks okay, nothing to write home about.

 

[clampzyn]

lmao 8k footage on a compressed 4k video playing on peoples 1080p/1440p/mobile phone display, can definitely see the sharpness

 

[FingerBang]

Exclusive 8K Gameplay

 

[rofif]

Even FSR 2.0 at ultra performance would render it at 1425p.
At the performance mode it would render it at 2160p.

you are actually right.
8k is still stupid tho

 

[R6Rider]

8k is so fucking pointless.

Game looks good though.

 

[Mr Moose]

Exclusive 8K Gameplay

(8K Resolution playback only supported on 8K monitors)

Which is a bit weird since we can view other 8K videos @ 8k.

 

[kittoo]

Looks very similar to Steelrising, which I liked very much. Will keep an eye out for this one.

 

[ahtlas7]

Looks very similar to Steelrising, which I liked very much. Will keep an eye out for this one.

Thought I was the only one on here who liked Steelrising. Good to see more love for that game. And yes LOP is looking nice.

 

[Dream-Knife]

you are actually right.
8k is still stupid tho

8k is so fucking pointless.

Game looks good though.

People said the same thing about 2160p vs 1080p.

8k tvs are out there, and are the future.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Wish.com Bloodborne. I'm listening.

 

[RoboFu]

People said the same thing about 2160p vs 1080p.

8k tvs are out there, and are the future.

Ehh most pc users around the worlds still game at 1080 according to steam. I am perfectly fine at 1440 myself.

 

[rofif]

People said the same thing about 2160p vs 1080p.

8k tvs are out there, and are the future.

There is a difference though and ignoring there is not is mad.
1080p->4k was a great jump. I was downsampling from 4k for years before I had 4k monitor.
It was in times with bad AA methods, no TAA, no DLSS, FSR and so on.
Nowadays we have many methods to get rid of aliasing.

I am sure raw 8k on big screen still will not cut it.
I had 4k 27" and it was still pixelated without any AA. Time of resolutions is ending. We can achieve image way better than 4k native running on a 4k screen. Running raw 4k is the last thing I want on my 4k.

Of course - there is no drawback to running 4k or less internal on 8k monitor. Would look better than raw 4k but how much remains to be seen.
And 8k so far is very power hungry. I will surely get 8k oled one day and dlss it... but for sure I don't want to even think about one yet

 

[GymWolf]

I love how they think that yt compression + player not going over 4k is supposed to show how impressive 8k gaming is...

 

[GymWolf]

Ehh most pc users around the worlds still game at 1080 according to steam. I am perfectly fine at 1440 myself.

Dude you have a full fledged 4k gpu now, time to think big.

 

[Quixz]

Lies of P - ixels

 

[R6Rider]

People said the same thing about 2160p vs 1080p.

8k tvs are out there, and are the future.

The difference between 1080 and 4k is huge. The difference between 4k and 8k is not unless on HUGE screens.

Just like 4k is useless for phone screens, 8k is useless for basically any screen outside something that wouldn't even be in someones home.

At a certain distance and screen size ratio, the human eye cannot discern the difference at all.

Example: For a 50-inch 8K TV, you would need to sit two feet or less away from it in order to appreciate its full impact.

 

[StormCell]

People said the same thing about 2160p vs 1080p.

8k tvs are out there, and are the future.

Maybe in the distant future (like in another 5 years or something). 8K was basically a total no-show at this year's CES. Demand for 8K isn't there. No one is really asking for it. We've yet to even really get 4K entertainment. Even streaming services haven't quite caught up with 4K adoption, so what really even is the point of 8K? There's not one. People would much rather buy TVs with more vivid displays, brighter whites, darker blacks, and greatly improved refresh rates. Even the post-processing of these fancy TVs needs time to catch up in order to diminish the input lag.

I'll say it one more time, no one is asking for 8K TVs. There will be a few out there on the market, but they were not even at CES.

 

[EDMIX]

Wish.com Bloodborne. I'm listening.

lol that Great Value Bloodborne

StormCell yea.....8K is still the future lol

What are you telling me? We will just all be ok with 4K for life?

Best TVs at CES 2023: next-gen OLED, and micro-LED is ready for prime time

All the 8K and 4K TV news from CES 2023 that you need to know if you're looking to upgrade this year

www.techradar.com

So the adoption of that tech is inevitable. The fact that PS5 even supports 8K even this early shows it has a obvious future as the next inevitable resolution default.

I mean, holy shit...you are greatly underestimating how rich people want to spend on the latest and greatest (as well as early tech adopters)

I just don't see that changing any time soon.

 

[Thief1987]

Looks like a true souls-like - boring as hell.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Game looks really solid. Really looking forward to checking this out. Really hoping it hits every expectation!

 

[cash_longfellow]

Oh hey look, it’s 8k that looks just like 4k, which also looks like a slightly more colorful 1080p

 

[Dream-Knife]

Ehh most pc users around the worlds still game at 1080 according to steam. I am perfectly fine at 1440 myself.

Same, but that doesn't change reality. We're also playing at high framerates.

There is a difference though and ignoring there is not is mad.
1080p->4k was a great jump. I was downsampling from 4k for years before I had 4k monitor.
It was in times with bad AA methods, no TAA, no DLSS, FSR and so on.
Nowadays we have many methods to get rid of aliasing.

I am sure raw 8k on big screen still will not cut it.
I had 4k 27" and it was still pixelated without any AA. Time of resolutions is ending. We can achieve image way better than 4k native running on a 4k screen. Running raw 4k is the last thing I want on my 4k.

Of course - there is no drawback to running 4k or less internal on 8k monitor. Would look better than raw 4k but how much remains to be seen.
And 8k so far is very power hungry. I will surely get 8k oled one day and dlss it... but for sure I don't want to even think about one yet

This is just cope bro. When you get an 8k tv and hardware that can support it you'll be singing it's praises.

The difference between 1080 and 4k is huge. The difference between 4k and 8k is not unless on HUGE screens.

Just like 4k is useless for phone screens, 8k is useless for basically any screen outside something that wouldn't even be in someones home.

At a certain distance and screen size ratio, the human eye cannot discern the difference at all.

Example: For a 50-inch 8K TV, you would need to sit two feet or less away from it in order to appreciate its full impact.

8k makes sense for the size of tvs people are buying now (ie 55"+). It's all about pixel density. A 55" 4k tv has less than 90ppi. It's terrible.

People want big screens, you need big resolutions. 8k is sufficient till 85". Beyond that you need more. You want to be above 100ppi.

Maybe in the distant future (like in another 5 years or something). 8K was basically a total no-show at this year's CES. Demand for 8K isn't there. No one is really asking for it. We've yet to even really get 4K entertainment. Even streaming services haven't quite caught up with 4K adoption, so what really even is the point of 8K? There's not one. People would much rather buy TVs with more vivid displays, brighter whites, darker blacks, and greatly improved refresh rates. Even the post-processing of these fancy TVs needs time to catch up in order to diminish the input lag.

I'll say it one more time, no one is asking for 8K TVs. There will be a few out there on the market, but they were not even at CES.

I know a bunch of boomers with 8k tvs.

4k streaming is inferior to native 4k, people still buy it.

Plasma is superior to LCD, yet people bought LCD. Hell, their old crt was better than their 720p LCD tv, people still bought it.

Consumer electronics are driven by fomo, hype, and number mogging. 8k is the future. Look at the box of the PS5 and amd/nvidia marketing.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Maybe in the distant future (like in another 5 years or something). 8K was basically a total no-show at this year's CES. Demand for 8K isn't there. No one is really asking for it. We've yet to even really get 4K entertainment. Even streaming services haven't quite caught up with 4K adoption, so what really even is the point of 8K? There's not one. People would much rather buy TVs with more vivid displays, brighter whites, darker blacks, and greatly improved refresh rates. Even the post-processing of these fancy TVs needs time to catch up in order to diminish the input lag.

I'll say it one more time, no one is asking for 8K TVs. There will be a few out there on the market, but they were not even at CES.

Aren’t 8k TVs banned in Europe? They’re too power hungry compared to 4K. Explains the no show, they can’t even sell them.

 

[EDMIX]

Aren’t 8k TVs banned in Europe? They’re too power hungry compared to 4K. Explains the no show, they can’t even sell them.

oh wow, I never knew that.

Fuck me then lol

It would be crazy if in the future that was frowned upon so much, 4K became the standard....FOR LIFE lol.

Until we do better with energy conservation , solar, wind etc, 8k will be a luxury to the countries that don't give a shit about the environment lol

 

[R6Rider]

8k makes sense for the size of tvs people are buying now (ie 55"+). It's all about pixel density. A 55" 4k tv has less than 90ppi. It's terrible.

People want big screens, you need big resolutions. 8k is sufficient till 85". Beyond that you need more. You want to be above 100ppi.

Again, there have been studies done and the human eye CANNOT tell the difference at any normal sitting distance. Not just for 4k to 8k, but between 4k and lower resolutions too.

 

[FingerBang]

Aren’t 8k TVs banned in Europe? They’re too power hungry compared to 4K. Explains the no show, they can’t even sell them.

Nah, not banned, but still no one wants them. They keep releasing new tech but TV aren't phones, people don't want a new one every couple of years. Also, we're really reaching the point of diminished return.

How big does your TV need to be to notice the increased resolution?
And, more important, where is the 8K content? Feels like we're not even close to 4K being standard.

I can see however 8K becoming more of a thing in PC with the proper upscaling tech maybe in a couple of generations.

 

[Represent.]

All that power, still looks like a PS4 game.

Someone tell me the point of PC gaming again? Not a single dev taking advantage of the extra horse power.

 

[EDMIX]

Again, there have been studies done and the human eye CANNOT tell the difference at any normal sitting distance. Not just for 4k to 8k, but between 4k and lower resolutions too.

I don't disagree with you, but consider none of those facts stopped people from buying 4k tvs in droves.

They want new, latest, greatest etc. Even if its literally undetachable and beyond any level of human ability to view or hear lol

FingerBang Where is the 8k content? I mean we are literally talking about a game, shown on Youtube..with a 8k setting, from a game saying it will be in 8k.... lol (lolz aside, you do make a good point about the lack of 8k content to support the format in 2023)

I think we'll just see an uptick in those 8k purchases when Netflix, Amazon and Disney support 8k, since they are the market leaders they will control a lot of how that migrates over. imho.

Even if I had the money, I don't know what good 8K would do me with so little that supports it THIS YEAR, by the time more content comes, the price of my TV will be cheaper and it would have been a waste.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Same, but that doesn't change reality. We're also playing at high framerates.

This is just cope bro. When you get an 8k tv and hardware that can support it you'll be singing it's praises.

8k makes sense for the size of tvs people are buying now (ie 55"+). It's all about pixel density. A 55" 4k tv has less than 90ppi. It's terrible.

People want big screens, you need big resolutions. 8k is sufficient till 85". Beyond that you need more. You want to be above 100ppi.

https://goodcalculators.com/tv-viewing-distance-calculator/

Have fun a bit with that calculator.

There is no way that 4K is even a problem for a 20/20 vision as there’s not a single TV size that will have a THX sitting position lower than the eye acuity level. Who the hells sets up a home theater for a 120’’ screen but sits at 60% of the recommended seating position? You have to put your face in the range of 4ft of a 65’’ 4K to start seeing a loss of acuity with perfect vision.

You’ll find an intersection at 1080p at around 55’’ that is putting the acuity in the min/max range of seating distance… with perfect vision.

If you wear glasses and have less than ideal vision? You’re wasting money, might as well open the window and throw it out.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Nah, not banned, but still no one wants them. They keep releasing new tech but TV aren't phones, people don't want a new one every couple of years. Also, we're really reaching the point of diminished return.

How big does your TV need to be to notice the increased resolution?
And, more important, where is the 8K content? Feels like we're not even close to 4K being standard.

I can see however 8K becoming more of a thing in PC with the proper upscaling tech maybe in a couple of generations.

I had this for reference, video is 2 months old, might still be in debate mode until it’s officially banned, but I would assume that TV manufacturers are planning around that.

 

[Rippa]

IQ is way too clean.

This desperately needs a grain/noise filter to add more grime to the atmosphere.

I hate how, literally everything is shiny. Gross.

Still looks like it’ll be awesome to rent hopefully on GamePass/PS+ Extra.

 

[kiphalfton]

Nah, not banned, but still no one wants them. They keep releasing new tech but TV aren't phones, people don't want a new one every couple of years. Also, we're really reaching the point of diminished return.

How big does your TV need to be to notice the increased resolution?
And, more important, where is the 8K content? Feels like we're not even close to 4K being standard.

I can see however 8K becoming more of a thing in PC with the proper upscaling tech maybe in a couple of generations.

Yeah... I could be completely off base since I don't look at RTINGS website every day, but the difference between my B9 TV and the B2/C2/G2 series seems negligible. And that's three generations difference.

Diminishing returns indeed.

Realistically you could probably be set for 5-10 years if you buy a good enough TV, within a particular product line.

 

[March Climber]

I like how this thread can't decide if it wants to argue about Lies of P vs Bloodborne, or argue about 8k vs 4k, or argue about AMD RX 7900's quality and performance.

Gameplay looks fun.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

8k is so fucking pointless.

have you seen 8k in person?
an increased resolution improves numerous aspects of game image quality, including AA, shimmering, textures, far object rendering, fine detail, etc.
and games are only getting more detailed, with larger maps and far distance rendering.
until AA can resolve these issues efficiently, resolution will continue to play a massive role in overall IQ.

first thing i did with a 4k TV was play dark souls 1 on it with a 4k internal resolution.
looked great, but then i changed it to an 8k internal res. and it was so much cleaner.
tried 12k and 16k internal res but it was an absolute slideshow on my PC at the time.

also once your display starts going over 100", you'll need 8k to maintain good PPI.

 

[TheBROgamer]

Game looks mediocre at best, visually and gameplay wise.

 

[rofif]

have you seen 8k in person?
an increased resolution improves numerous aspects of game image quality, including AA, shimmering, textures, far object rendering, fine detail, etc.
and games are only getting more detailed, with larger maps and far distance rendering.
until AA can resolve these issues efficiently, resolution will continue to play a massive role in overall IQ.

first thing i did with a 4k TV was play dark souls 1 on it with a 4k internal resolution.
looked great, but then i changed it to an 8k internal res. and it was so much cleaner.
tried 12k and 16k internal res but it was an absolute slideshow on my PC at the time.

also once your display starts going over 100", you'll need 8k to maintain good PPI.

I bet it's great. I was early 4k adopter too.
But we now have so many good taa/dlss techniques, that the benefits of 8k will be much smaller, since there is no aliasing or pxiels visible on 4k now... even for me playing on 4k 48" in my face.

btw, I remember doing comparisons of 1080p 27" and 4k 27" when I had both. 4k one set to 200% to match 1080p icons size wise.
And mirrors edge is raw 4k on 4k monitor and 4k downsampled on 1080p one. The difference was very big but again - poor aa techniques back then

 

[Comandr]

This game so badly wants to be Bloodborne. Somehow I'm just not really feeling it? This definitely feels like a free on PS+ in October game.

 

[Art The Clown]

Hype.

 

[jaysius]

Not sure if this will be better than Steelrising, but lets see.

 

[Insane Metal]

Everything looks so clean and bland.

 

[//DEVIL//]

when you have a game trailer with stuttering and slowdowns,,, it doesn't look good for the game.

however, I am for some reason really excited to play this. I love the atmosphere and the graphics looks good.

Here is hoping it will be a hit. crossing fingers.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Again, there have been studies done and the human eye CANNOT tell the difference at any normal sitting distance. Not just for 4k to 8k, but between 4k and lower resolutions too.

Yep. And the human eye can't see more than 24 fps. Lmao.

https://goodcalculators.com/tv-viewing-distance-calculator/

Have fun a bit with that calculator.

There is no way that 4K is even a problem for a 20/20 vision as there’s not a single TV size that will have a THX sitting position lower than the eye acuity level. Who the hells sets up a home theater for a 120’’ screen but sits at 60% of the recommended seating position? You have to put your face in the range of 4ft of a 65’’ 4K to start seeing a loss of acuity with perfect vision.

You’ll find an intersection at 1080p at around 55’’ that is putting the acuity in the min/max range of seating distance… with perfect vision.

If you wear glasses and have less than ideal vision? You’re wasting money, might as well open the window and throw it out.

Cope. Even apple is going 5k on 27" screens. Steve Jobs knew ppi is what matters.

Don't worry, youll come around when you can afford the tech.