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Alec Baldwin Kills Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins With Real Gun

AJUMP23

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Vestal

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He does the final check. Those who hold a firearm are always responsible.

The "I never pulled the trigger" is a lie,
Not to nitpick, but that very link mentions that they are unsure if the FBI tested the gun used on set or a similar colt.
It's unclear whether the FBI tested the gun Baldwin used on set or another one.

There is also this from the primary ABCNews report(Baldwins Lawyer)
"The FBI report is being misconstrued," the statement continued. "The gun fired in testing only one time -- without having to pull the trigger -- when the hammer was pulled back and the gun broke in two different places. The FBI was unable to fire the gun in any prior test, even when pulling the trigger, because it was in such poor condition."
I'd love to see the actual FBI report.
 
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BeardGawd

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Not to nitpick, but that very link mentions that they are unsure if the FBI tested the gun used on set or a similar colt.


There is also this from the primary ABCNews report(Baldwins Lawyer)

I'd love to see the actual FBI report.
How can a gun be in this bad a shape and on a movie set no less?

Gross Negligence at a minimum. If he gets off on the criminal charges he should at least have to cough up a couple million to the victim's family.
 
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NickFire

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Every excuse used to be "pro-Baldwin" early on in the thread is crumbling. Down to the family thinking he should be charged now too.
It's absolutely crazy to me that he wasn't charged sooner. I figured this would be an instance where everyone agreed with each other no matter their views on guns. But same shit different day situation. It don't matter how many gun safety rules were violated for tons of people because of who he is.
 

Power Pro

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
 
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dave_d

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Actors and politicians and the wealthy are above the law all the time. We see that on a regular basis.
For example journalist David Gregory who only got away with his felony because the prosecutor suddenly remembered mens rea is a thing. (For those that didn’t see it during his news program he broke a law about possessing a firearms magazine. It was a felony and intent wasn’t supposed to be a part of it but that’s the excuse the prosecutor gave. If a regular person broke that law they’d get screwed. ) of course now I like to point out David Gregory is a felon.
 

HoodWinked

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
I doubt it but the angle for this is because Baldwin is also a producer so they want to tie him with the troubled production, staff prior complats about lax safety, and overral neglect to make the involuntary manslaughter charge
 

jakinov

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
The reason they are going after Baldwin is that partly because it's weird that he was saying the gun went off on his own but more improtantly because he's not just an actor on the movie. He's the main producer. Baldwin's own production company is the main owner of the movie and mainly reponsible for the production of the movie. In other words, he's an owner and a boss of the movie.
 

NickFire

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
That was an example of why gun safety rules should be followed on set, not an example of why someone should be allowed to ignore them without repercussions. In this case you also have the issue of an incompetent person being hired to make sure no one got hurt. A trigger lock is no defense to liability if its not actually installed properly and locked. Pointing to an incompetent employee as the reason he should be exempt from consequences is basically the same as claiming a trigger lock still in the package should preclude liability as far as I am concerned.
 
I do feel bad for Baldwin for finding himself in this circumstance - it’s probably an actor’s worst nightmare. It’s not far fetched to think anyone could’ve made this mistake and be branded for life - if these were the consequences I feel even a murderer would feel better knowing it was an intentional act. But it was not intentional for Baldwin and is still branded for life. Luckily he has money and should still live a pretty decent life compared to most
 
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DeepEnigma

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I do feel bad for Baldwin for finding himself in this circumstance - it’s probably an actor’s worst nightmare. It’s not far fetched to think anyone could’ve made this mistake and be branded for life - if these were the consequences I feel even a murderer would feel better knowing it was an intentional act. But it was not intentional for Baldwin and is still branded for life. Luckily he has money and should still live a pretty decent life compared to most
He put himself in this situation. He was the producer and it was his production company's operation. He wasn't just an "innocent actor." With that said, the buck for the 4 golden rules of firearm safety begins and ends at the last one to hold a gun. Always.
 

Kimahri

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Read the thread, mate. The answers have been explained over and over and over and over...
Nobody's gonna read the thread. It's almost 1500 posts. Do you have that kikd of time? I sure as hell don't.

This is the one instance where the turd place is way better. Their threadmarks make it so much easier to understand what's going on.

At minimum OPs should be uodated with important things like why an actor is responsible.
 

TheMan

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Maybe it’s been said but I always found it funny that news outlets refused to say that Baldwin shot that lady. It was alway - “the gun he was holding was discharged.”

Anyway, he may be the first one to go down for this but there should be plenty of blame to to go around
 

jason10mm

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
The Brandon Lee incident was an example of an on set accident, I.e. The intent was to discharge a blank AT the actor, the actor had body armor, and barrel sweeps were not a standard practice.

The Baldwin killing is quite different. Lessons learned from earlier on set incidents were not followed. Baldwin pulled the trigger on a live round, he pointed the revolver at a person not wearing protection (and apparently while still setting up the scene), and there were previous on set issueshefailed to address as producer.
 
I don't get it. It's the most basic thing. CHECK, CHECK and Re-CHECK a firearm before firing it. It's a tool that can end or severely injure another human being.

Not doing this most basic task is just pure fucking negligence. Baldwin should fry for this and there should be strict measures put into place on movie sets dealing with firearms. How can anyone be so fucking daft as to not check a firearm before firing it on set. It's mind boggling.
 
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DeepEnigma

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Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Charges dropped for now.


Less than two weeks before a mini-trial is scheduled to begin in New Mexico over the October 2021 killing of Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, all charges are going to be dropped against Alec Baldwin, for now.

Recently appointed special prosecutors Kari Morrissey and Jason Lewis are expected to be filing paperwork soon, perhaps even today, to dismiss the involuntary manslaughter claims against the multi-Emmy-winning actor without prejudice, we hear. That means, as they are set to investigate further into what actually went down that terrible day on the Bonanza Creek Ranch set near Santa Fe, this case could be resurrected in the future.
 

Thaedolus

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SlimySnake

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Charges dropped for now.

lol that case was always political. at least against baldwin. its not his job to check for bullets.

he's definitely going to be sued though. and he should seeing as how he was an executive producer. hope the husband takes him to the cleaners.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
lol that case was always political. at least against baldwin. its not his job to check for bullets.

he's definitely going to be sued though. and he should seeing as how he was an executive producer. hope the husband takes him to the cleaners.
Yep. The charges against him specifically were always political and trying to make a point. But yeah he will get sued in civil court and settle for a huge sum.


The charges against the armorer are still up though and hopefully they succeed. The level of careless disregard she displayed was insane.
 

NickFire

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Interesting. Without prejudice could mean they could refile after further investigation or change the charges in the future. Or it stays dropped
Without prejudice 100% means they can refile the charges. That said, the chances of that happening are very low.
 

TheDreadBaron

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Yep. The charges against him specifically were always political and trying to make a point. But yeah he will get sued in civil court and settle for a huge sum.


The charges against the armorer are still up though and hopefully they succeed. The level of careless disregard she displayed was insane.
Is the political point they’re trying to make that people rich and poor alike should be held responsible for the consequences of shooting guns held in their own hand? Seems like basic law and common sense, not a political witch hunt. Prosecuting AB for committing a negligent killing should be the standard, I would argue that failing to do so is where the political motive is to be found.
 

Bragr

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Why does everyone think a "non-famous" person would get a worse charge?

Isn't the only one who should be potentially charged here whoever handled the props?
 

poppabk

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Why does everyone think a "non-famous" person would get a worse charge?

Isn't the only one who should be potentially charged here whoever handled the props?
Yeah I doubt there was ever any thought of charging Michael Massee.
 

NickFire

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Why does everyone think a "non-famous" person would get a worse charge?

Isn't the only one who should be potentially charged here whoever handled the props?
If normal people tell the cops they didn't know the gun was loaded when they pointed and pulled the trigger, the chances are very, very, very low that they walk free of any criminal responsibility. Won't matter why they thought it was unloaded. They will almost certainly get a public defender who at best gets them a plea deal to lesser charges. At best.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Is the political point they’re trying to make that people rich and poor alike should be held responsible for the consequences of shooting guns held in their own hand? Seems like basic law and common sense, not a political witch hunt. Prosecuting AB for committing a negligent killing should be the standard, I would argue that failing to do so is where the political motive is to be found.
The DA is conservative. He went on Fox News to peacock around about the charges and smell himself. So it was not a political move to drop them. They just knew they wouldn't win the case.


I won't go any deeper than that. Not going to eat a ban for politics.
 

RAÏSanÏa

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lol that case was always political. at least against baldwin. its not his job to check for bullets.

he's definitely going to be sued though. and he should seeing as how he was an executive producer. hope the husband takes him to the cleaners.
It was crucial where that jurisdiction stood at the time of the incident for criminal charges. Intuitively it seems it should be his responsibility, but it's understandable in legal context the delegation for a project changes the criminal responsibility from the individual who pulls the trigger or pushes a button.
 

Bragr

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If normal people tell the cops they didn't know the gun was loaded when they pointed and pulled the trigger, the chances are very, very, very low that they walk free of any criminal responsibility. Won't matter why they thought it was unloaded. They will almost certainly get a public defender who at best gets them a plea deal to lesser charges. At best.
But isn't that because it's impossible to know if they knew or not that it was loaded?

In this case, Baldwin was on a movie set and was supposed to fire the gun for the movie, and he had no idea it was a bullet in the gun and there were witnesses. It's a bit different than some accident where you can't exactly tell what happened. This is a very peculiar case.
 

NickFire

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But isn't that because it's impossible to know if they knew or not that it was loaded?

In this case, Baldwin was on a movie set and was supposed to fire the gun for the movie, and he had no idea it was a bullet in the gun and there were witnesses. It's a bit different than some accident where you can't exactly tell what happened. This is a very peculiar case.
No. Its because everyone holding a gun is supposed to follow gun safety rules. If they had been rigidly followed this tragedy would not have happened.

On that note, there are countless posts explaining gun safety rules in this thread if you are interested in them. But he got to walk, it's over, and I've got nothing more to add.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Hollywood privilege. I knew he would never get more than slap on the wrist.
It's not Hollywood privilege. The DA is conservative and desperately wanted these charges to stick. They just don't have a case and they know it. But he is going to get sued into the core of the earth in civil court so it's hardly a "slap on the wrist".


The charges against the Armorer who is ACTUALLY responsible for everything are still going through last time I checked as well. So justice is being served.
 
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Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
"Justice is being served" by the actual killer who pointed and pulled the trigger not being charged.

😫👌
You beat that little drum until you are blue in the face if you want, but the reality is if it was actually that open and shut the charges wouldn't have been dropped by the DA who DESPERATELY wanted them to stick.


The situation is just not as simple as you claim (or want) it to be. 🤷‍♂️
 
He is responsible for being a negligent producer who ignored safety regulations, so he will likely be sued. It would have been tough convincing a jury in a criminal court however.
 

DeepEnigma

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You beat that little drum until you are blue in the face if you want, but the reality is if it was actually that open and shut the charges wouldn't have been dropped by the DA who DESPERATELY wanted them to stick.


The situation is just not as simple as you claim (or want) it to be. 🤷‍♂️
Convenient.

But it is super simple if the universal rules of gun safety, are applied universally. ;)
 
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TheInfamousKira

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I'm an awful person and this is an awful situation, but I can't remember this poor woman's name so every time I see this thread bumped, I think for a split second that Alec Baldwin is just going to different film sets and unloading.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Convenient.

But it is super simple if the universal rules of gun safety, are applied universally. ;)
No one is going to deny that the safety on set was abysmal. That's why everyone including myself are saying that he is going to get sued into the ground. What you're talking about is whether or not what Alec Baldwin did falls into the sphere of the criminal. The answer so far despite extensive attempts by the DA is a very clear no. And it's not because it's Alec Baldwin and it's not because it's Hollywood. It's because anyone whether it be a d list actor or even just a stunt man that was put in the same position on that specific set making the same mistake he did would not be charged for this.


I understand why you want charges to be brought against him specifically, but trying to charge Baldwin in a court of law and put him behind bars for this is just patently ridiculous.
 
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DeepEnigma

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No one is going to deny that the safety on set was abysmal. That's why everyone including myself are saying that he is going to get sued into the ground. What you're talking about is whether or not what Alec Baldwin did falls into the sphere of the criminal. The answer so far despite extensive attempts by the DA is a very clear no. And it's not because it's Alec Baldwin and it's not because it's Hollywood. It's because anyone whether it be a d list actor or even just a stunt man that was put in the same position on that specific set making the same mistake he did would not be charged for this.


I understand why you want charges to be brought against him specifically, but trying to charge Baldwin in a court of law and put him behind bars for this is just patently ridiculous.
If this was done in his backyard, or any of us in our backyards, we would have charges filed and we would be going to court.

Hence why I said, if the rules were applied universally, a woman would still be alive today. Hell, they're applied to everyone under the sun, even cops now, but not those privileged movie sets. What I want, even as pro-gun, is the law applied equally when it comes to those universal safety rules and not have a special class be "bah bah baby needs a bah bah"

You claim you understand, but you're dancing around clear privilege.
 
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Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
If this was done in his backyard, or any of us in our backyards, we would have charges filed and we would be going to court.

Hence why I said, if the rules were applied universally, a woman would still be alive today. Hell, they're applied to everyone under the sun, even cops now, but not those privileged movie sets. What I want, even as pro-gun, is the law applied equally when it comes to those universal safety rules and not have a special class be "bah bah baby needs a bah bah"

You claim you understand, but you're dancing around clear privilege.
Yes if it happened in his backyard between the two of them it would be different. Because that's a different situation under different circumstances with different context. But that is not what happened. So it's not being treated that way.


You sound like you want it to be treated a certain way because you want a certain outcome rather than simply treating it as it is.
 
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DeepEnigma

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Yes if it happened in his backyard between the two of them it would be different. Because that's a different situation under different circumstances with different context. But that is not what happened. So it's not being treated that way.


You sound like you want it to be treated a certain way because you want a certain outcome rather than simply treating it as it is.
You sound like you want to dance around personal responsibility of holding a gun last, like it's applied to everyone under the sun, but movie sets.

How do you NOT see that as privileged and a problem? Once again, if applied universally which is common fucking sense when it comes to firearms, a woman would still be alive today.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
You sound like you want to dance around personal responsibility of holding a gun last, like it's applied to everyone under the sun, but movie sets.

How do you NOT see that as privileged and a problem? Once again, if applied universally which is common fucking sense when it comes to firearms, a woman would still be alive today.
It's the same circular argument that we had before when this first happened. You see Baldwin as the person mainly responsible for this. I don't. Neither do most people in my experience.

Agree to disagree.
 
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