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Vita Will Allow Multiple PSN Accounts, Sony Says
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Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Not if you get a 32GB card! AMIRITE?
yes, yes it is.
If it means a user experience that isn't shit, why not?
I know you're being facetious, but I really am totally fine with that statement.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
I'm not gonna lie, I was impressed.Yes, I'm just as ashamed that I actually remember that lol! Don't ask me how
My sarcasm skills needs more honing.
Holiday 2012 50 dollar gift card on 32GB Vita memory sticks believe!
I stealth edited, figured I wasn't being clear enough either. ;_;
DangerousDave
Member
In retail. Nobody was bitching, for example, for not being able to syncronize the 3DS with Wii and get the NES and SNES games that we already have. Or connect to any other eShop region.
Somehow, nobody expect this, it was assumed that, well, is Nintendo. But if Vita don't allow to gather trophies of your japanese games into your US account, or have the PSX and turbograph games day 1, man, is doomsday.
RyougaSaotome
Member
I'm actually OK with this. I won't be buying anything off the U.S. store for a while anyhow, so I don't mind just rolling with a single memory card at first.
CamHostage
Member
The "fuck you, Sony!" retort is harsh, but I will say that I'm not happy with this decision. It means that even if I want to play a simple Japanese demo*, I have to buy another $30 memory card. I'm not happy that security came before comfort and consumer trust. But I understand it, and I'm not enraged, just unhappy that it's not a perfect system, and I'm not against petitioning Sony with a tiny bit of comment that I wish they'd continue to explore other options.
(*Never mind that to get an account to access the Japanese demo store, I had to forge a Japanese address and identity on an agreement form...)
You could log in and out through a WiFi hotspot. It wasn't a very inviting system though, especially with the 'keyboard' on PSP.
I can't think of a technical reason off-hand, but the fact that one is a box on your desk with the software locked onto a HDD and the other is a portable with media easily ejectable and mountable on a PC (*not officially supported, but MediaGo already opens Sony up to exploits not possible with PS3 and the memory cards will I'm sure be hacked with read/write some day) seems like there could be a wider reason to avoid open account access.
Not different in any tangible way I can think of offhand (a computer is a computer is a computer) but there are some places a portable can go that a console can't, and I think Sony's more worried maybe of common people trying those exploits with a pocket system that they'd never do with a set-top box.
Naw, I don't think memory card sales really entered into this decision. It was 99.95% security concerns. Companies generally dislike import sales, it disrupts their market approach and in many cases it means a clash between the domestic and foreign license holder. (If companies were 1:1 with their product releases then it'd be a non-issue, but that'll never happen obviously.)
I expect the pricing structure to look like this unfortunately for a while, but the per-megabyte will hopefully drop. As in, right now the 4GB is $29, by this time next year the 8GB could be $29 but there is no 4GB.
Actually, they'll PROBABLY keep 4GB because it'll eventually hit that $19.99 sweet spot that they sadly can't offer now (I'm sure that's pissing somebody off in the company that there's not one SKU at that impulse-buy pricepoint,) but once it hits that range I don't know that Sony will feel the same race to the bottom that's going on in SD.
"I just want" is not a reason to act in business. This sense of entitlement with digital media ends up leading to the inevitable, "but they fucked me over, so I just pirated it." True, maybe Sony should be thinking about that and considering the opposite direction (they did SHOCKINGLY with PlayStation 3), but way too many people who "just want" something that they can't have immediately and without compromise buck the system, and instead of trusting consumers, corporations are locking up their products.
Transcend 32 GB SDHC Class 10 Flash Memory Card for $38.99, CLASS 10. For the same amount of memory for the Vita Sony's asking way above of $100. YES, THEY'RE MONETIZING THEIR USERS TO HELL WITH THIS MC BS. Better be the best memory cards ever put to sale.
It's obvious that you don't represent a regular customer. Customers who import games from other regions are a few and all read GAF. Your memory is bad as people bitches EVERY SINGLE DAY because of the lack of region-free on the 3DS. And finally, are you seriously comparing this issue of the 3DS being region locked (as bad as it is) to the issue of needing an expensive memory card for every single PSN account you want to use on the Vita?. Portable devices used by more than one user are plenty, if I'd buy one Vita I would need 2 cards for example, as I wouldn't be the only user of the console. This will affect way more potential users than region-locking... well, that's probably why they're doing it.
If here means Europe, Wizardry got released yesterday.
Bomber Bob
Banned
I don't really understand you guys.
So fuck sony because don't allow domestic credit cards so be used with a different region PSN?
So fuck sony because don't allow domestic credit cards so be used with a different region PSN?
Not that I know the specs of the Vita cards, but class 10 is not the fastest available today.
Maybe something along the lines of this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004JJQN8G/
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Its late, I'm tired and videogame message board words are narrowing of my eyes.
- Sony have probably developed these things to be as uncrackable military grade security nutto level data storage cards to avoid the PSP Pirate Ships Second Voyage. Theyre not just off the shelf shit, a substantial amount of R&D went into this stuff. And until some murky den in deepest asia creates a hack-card or whatever or worse someone hacks the machines internals, Sony still get to make some money from the only portable storage solution for the machine. Welcome to the real world and a business thats suddenly realised the folly of too many freebies. Microsoft make their money from Xbox Live subs the masses continue to pay without a second thought that actually offer nothing beyond PvP, Sony have turned to something material.
- You don't 'need' two memory cards. If you're the kind of gamer that absolutely needs access to the US, EU and JP markets because one regions release calendar alone isn't enough, I'm gonna take a gamble that you're not hard up for a few bucks. 8gb card will be more than enough for your off-region supplementary needs and thats what, $45 now? At launch? Shit will probably be $20 next year. Launch adoption, motherfucker. Get your gold paid upfront or wait.
- Better still is the assertion that because someone else in your house will need to play on your Vita, that they absolutely must have their own account. Why? What did people do before trophies and friends lists? Are you the type of person that wont hand someone the control pad for a quick go on a game you're playing just incase they unlock a trophy instead of you on your profile, bringing you to your knee's screaming in mental anguish? Its okay, your bro or wife can have a play of a game under your screen-name. It can be the one deep dark agonising secret you carry to your grave.
Hgggggghhhhhhhhh.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
There is no way that the Vita memory cards will be coming close to that (hell it's probably no faster than a Class 6 SD card)
GodfatherX
Member
this is marginally better then what we knew before, but still ridiculous.
Why not?
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
Bahaha. No guys, it's cool, just buy more of our ridiculously overpriced memory cards.
reptilescorpio
Member
Great trolling Sony!
You can use the same profile across several Memory Cards setup with multiple regions. Just means if you want to play your JPN or UK games you have to swap (expensive cards) but it will all be linked to the same profile.
You can use the same profile across several Memory Cards setup with multiple regions. Just means if you want to play your JPN or UK games you have to swap (expensive cards) but it will all be linked to the same profile.
Andrefpvs
Member
How can you be sure of this? I would love for it to be true, mind.
That isn't confirmed though, is it? It'd be amazing if true.
Infinite Justice
Member
This stuff really needs to be straightened out.
Given the different info flying around the place and you don't mind buying another MC, could you test this stuff when you get a Vita for us plz.
This goes out to others as well unless Sony comes out with official info (hell they should do a video showing what the vita can do, including this scenario)
reptilescorpio
Member
That is how I read what she said in the OP
Edit: Actually now I am sure I am getting myself confused and you really DO need separate accounts. Seems like she means that you can have the same profile on two memory cards but they still need to be the same region. Which is very disappointing.
It's kind of disheartening seeing how hyped GAF was for this system, and now, seeing such a large amount of dissenters. However, people do have a good reason to be upset.
Personally, it was all too good to be true. Seeing how Sony handled the PS3 (and themselves overall) through out the years, I'm not too surprised at the clusterfuck they've made for themselves with the Vita.
At least I know I'll probably never get one.
Personally, it was all too good to be true. Seeing how Sony handled the PS3 (and themselves overall) through out the years, I'm not too surprised at the clusterfuck they've made for themselves with the Vita.
At least I know I'll probably never get one.
Thunderbear
Mawio Gawaxy iz da Wheeson hee pways games
First: There are sooo many people I would love to quote in this thread that jumped on the unsubstantiated rumor that the Vita would only allow for 1 account without re-formatting.
Second: Why are the majority of loud-mouths always using the 32gb memory card as their "boo'ing" point? You don't need a 32gb! You'll do fine with a 4gb for a while and 8gb would suffice after that. Do you REALLY NEED two accounts on a handheld? Get two 4gb memory cards.
Second: Why are the majority of loud-mouths always using the 32gb memory card as their "boo'ing" point? You don't need a 32gb! You'll do fine with a 4gb for a while and 8gb would suffice after that. Do you REALLY NEED two accounts on a handheld? Get two 4gb memory cards.
Thunderbear
Mawio Gawaxy iz da Wheeson hee pways games
The PS3 has been by all means a success. It's neck in neck with the Xbox360, so you can't say Sony fucked up. They needed to get the Blu-ray out there, and the only way to do it was to initially launch the device at a high price. It paid off. Time has proved it.
Also, the Vita's only issue at this point is the memory card pricing. Do you think the memory cards are always going to stay at that price? Do you need a 32gb card?
The people who are detractors for the Vita on this forum are people who want it to fail. They have no interest in the system. You see the people creating the threads that are negative towards the Vita and it's people who have posted a bundle of positive 3DS threads (and no negative ones against the 3DS).
4gb isn't exactly enough if they want to dl games.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
that's the funny thing. most of the people that complain so hard about 32gb memory card prices say a lot of things that suggest they aren't going to be buying much on PSN. why get 32gb then? it would be like me complaining about it (made up example) being region locked despite me having absolutely zero interest in games outside of NA region.
im happy with this solution as it means my gf can have my 4gb value pack card and i'll buy my own larger card, as im going to be downloading most stuff if i can. she won't be playing it much but her card will be in my case. she can just pop it in and play under her account with her own files and saves. win.
odhiex
Member
I can see the reason behind this... Sony want to protect their portable system account as they could possibly do. It is expensive, and it sucks... but whatever.
I am okay with this, at least I know that it is now possible to have multiple accounts... Tho I am not planning to buy a second memory card at launch anyway.
I am okay with this, at least I know that it is now possible to have multiple accounts... Tho I am not planning to buy a second memory card at launch anyway.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
absolutely, yes. Will try it for you.
lol - this is where i'm baffled and maybe i'm missing something. Which modern gaming handheld can be used by multiple users?
3DS? if you want to segregate users you need a second 3DS.
Iphone? Ipod touch? Android? Canoo?
At the moment, $30 cheapest card and you have multiple accounts on the same machine. And you can keep adding and adding and adding per your budget/desire.
The nearest competitior (3ds) will require seperate machines to do the same.
Ultimately i'm at the point where Sony are (maybe even unintentionally and this is PR Spin) providing a way to have distinct multiple users use one portable device at a variable cost when the aim is (as per all portable devices) to sell -one machine- to each player as per Iwata's quote on why the DS was such a great thing vs consoles for Nintendo (1 player, 1 machine sales vision)
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anyways, here's my thoughts on this :
1) this isn't a planned "let's have people be able to use multi regional accounts"
2) it's a by product of how the system has been designed
3) locking for piracy prevention is likely Card+account+machine
4) prop card almost certainly an anti piracy measure to address publisher fears
5) 3+4 will likely only delay hacking, might even spur it on :/
6) on boot up with an unformatted card, machine is likely going to "log you" and create a relationship between card+account. This ties the two together and provides an encrypted key for signing runable code
7) as you can keep putting in new cards , the machine can create multiple card+machine relationships
8) therefore as a by product , given the vita will be designed as universal one-machine-for-all device, this allows multi account/multi region support for DD games
9) this whole thought process explains why the original response was "you can flip regions/accounts by resetting" - you reset the relationship on the card and re-key to card+account+psv
.... anyyyyways, upshot is that this is less of a pain in the arse than the PSP or the 3DS as i don't need to log in to PSN to activate accounts or carry multiple devices a la 3ds (though again, i'm lying as i DO carry multiple 3DS -and- multiple PSPs!). All this means is that rather than buying two PSV's i'll be able to buy another -32- gig (not lying, i'll be going big) and segregate the US v JPN games that way and have to carry only one PSV.
For me - this is a much better solution than PSP or 3DS - it's not a game winner, and it's not a deal breaker that the other machines don't have the features and i realise that i'm not everyone so this might piss other people off. Ultimately though, it's more convenient just more expensive and i can see why that might be an issue for people wanting mass storage.
You are assuming it's even up to them. You know there are these entities called "publishers" that decide these things? And they have different divisions in each region? You think it's bad then see Nintendo's region policy in regards to game releases.
Very well put. I've become really irritated with all these people who are whining incessantly at something which really is not a bad solution at all.
Is it seriously that hard to understand people might want to keep saves and whatnot divided? Separate accounts seriously shouldn't be too hard to grasp, especially for games that decide they really don't want to be share friendly with either one save, or worse one auto-save that means they can inadvertently force you to have to restart the whole thing or replay the game to see a particular bit. Then of course there's always that one person who'll go and delete your save(s), usually by accident but nevertheless is frustrating to deal with.
... With that said I'm not sure we'd really disagree much on a whole for this topic, it's just that tone got on my nerves. For anyone just wanting a quick peek who can be trusted to not do anything more serious than unlock a trophy or two you probably would have otherwise, no, it's not really a big deal. For anyone that wants to SERIOUSLY share the system (what was my main concern about one account per Vita, not the "check this game out" one) then they really ought to get their own memory card anyway, $25 on the 4 GB anywhere but GameStop is a pittance compared to $250 for a new system, and if more games than not save to the memory card instead of the cart then even better.
Mr_Appleby
Member
expense aside this sounds better to me than the current method of plugging it into the ps3 to switch accounts. I have mine on a jp account for mhp3rd and just don't play anything else anymore because the switching process is too annoying.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
First: How the heck is a 4GB card going to suffice for those who have downloaded a lot of PSP games? Heck, even 1 full capacity PSP game would take almost half the memory of a 4GB card. I don't know about you, but I prefer to play multiple games at the same time, or at least to have the option to access a fraction of my library without having to delete and re-download. That's not even counting PSone classics.
Second: You are getting way too bent out of shape. Wipe the tears off your face and just step away from the computer.
Why completely ignore that Microsoft doesn't have any problem with this and releases every single DD game everywhere in the west at the same time (few exceptions and if there are exceptions, we're actually given reasons; Trenched)?
Seriously, if Microsoft can do it, and they work with the very same publishers, then there's no one else to blame but Sony.
Honestly, yeah. Sharing a PSP was fine when it's a physical game, it's just a matter of swapping Memory Sticks, but for physical games that got a bit more of a pain, plus I've been kinda paranoid about whether a deactivation registers if you just activate without deactivating first. This means I could do that without worrying.
Actually, that's an addendum to my prior post, and probably the more practical problem: if account sharing wasn't possible in any capacity it'd mean if I wanted to buy a game on a shared system whose primary owner wasn't me, I'd either have to do annoying juggling or buy it on their account. I'm fine with this to a limited extent, I did it for Link's Awakening and Super Mario Land on the 3DS because I really wanted to replay those before I had my own 3DS, but you're not going to want to make a very serious investment when someone else is going to keep those games, not unless you had plenty of money to spare or wanted to get them those games anyway, and for the former... why not get your own and avoid the headache?
Yeah, because Microsoft has legacy titles from 2 generations - and most of those have rights which belong to different companies since 10 years ago things were much different.
Microsoft is an awful example.
This is seriously not much of an issue. I lived with a 2GB card for my PSP when prices where high. When prices went down I bought an 8GB. Yes, there was swapping I had to do but it was hardly that difficult. If you can't afford it now then tough - live with the 4GB and wait til the price comes down - which it will, since memory always goes down in price.
Its probably because of the DD ability PSV will have more than likely. Its the most capable dedicated handheld system DD wise. There will be tons of digital releases. I think this is why folks intended to get massive cards.
Honestly though, this issue is so worn, it would be fucking hilarious if this thing launches, and we get a hold of the mem cards, and their bandwidth is 4 times higher than your average class 10 to support what the system needs in order to function right.
All of a sudden all the cries about proprietary memory would turn to ash as we all find out that it was in fact necessary because standard SD card speeds wouldn't suffice. With search back, the backlash against those (including myself) who were unhappy with the mem card issue would be fucking gloooooorius! I hope this happens now, Im starting to imagine the thread, and the GIFS.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
On the flip side, imagine if they are simply class 4 memory cards with no built in security.
Personally I think I'll probably get the 8 GB one at first now that I know it's just GameStop being jerks and charging an extra $5, and ride it out until the 32 GB ones get cheap enough to be reasonable. I doubt most Vita games will actually be 4 GB, and if they are they're probably games I'm going to get physically anyway. By the time I really need 32 GB it'll be cheaper, and I can use that 8 GB one on another account, maybe for imports or something.
I'm just concerned about transferring saves, but if I can back those up to at least the PS3 then it's not a problem.
I'm just concerned about transferring saves, but if I can back those up to at least the PS3 then it's not a problem.
Microsoft isn't an awful example. They're a perfect example of how it should be done.
PSOne games are a different topic, I agree. Though there are absolutely no excuses for delayed PSN games, Avatars, Trailers and stuff like that.
Riiiight. How about you post some specific examples. I plan(ned) on buying a ton of content on PSN, but the memory card prices are too damned ridiculous for me to even bother. I was going to buy Lumines and Super Stardust on PSN and Wipeout 2048 and Uncharted retail at launch. Now I'm not, because I refuse to get price-gauged out the ass to buy their products.
Over $100 for 32GB sucks, especially for a product that is trying to make a real push for digital content. There is no spinning it one way or the other: it's a shitty move used to recoup costs of getting the Vita's base price point so low.
EDIT: I mean, I have over 18GB of just PSP titles. Forget about buying movies or music, or putting your own on the device for on the go. Unless they allow for wireless syncing and make swapping media a painless, quick process, the Vita will be gimped on its full potential because of a single asinine decision.
There are that many PSN games with huge delays in release dates across regions?
I still have no idea what you're on about. You can buy all of those games without needing a 32GB card. You might need to swap the games back and forth a bit on your memory card, but nothing stops you from buying the games and playing them without plonking $100.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
It's a premium priced handheld with over-priced proprietary storage. I can afford it, as can most who are complaining. The real question is do we really want to?
Given that your solution for being overcharged is 'tough, live with it' then I'm sure you'll have no problem with any system in the future. Don't speak with your money, just throw it around. Right?